>reking the English at Dunkirk would have destroyed british morale, and their expeditionary force >not attacking Yugoslavia and losing 3 weeks of precious time required to blitz Russia >not being a fucking retard
He should have delayed the attack on the russians 1 year, all while taking the british isles as much of europe as he could and north africa with the middle east, then he should have go with a blitz to moscow.
>>599106210 Not switching the objective to London during the Battle of Britain. Keep the pressure on Fighter Command. Have Model tear up operation Dynamo and just fuck everything up at Dunkirk. Don't let Paulus wait two fucking days during the opening battles of Stalingrad. The Germans had the reds pincer-ed outside the city, and by letting the two days slip by the Bolsheviks managed to retreat back into the city.
>>599106210 Pretty damn simple. If he didn't put so much emphasis on the eastern front and stopped at Poland, he could have used all those troops have have every piece of western Europe from Gibraltar to Arctic Circle. Then he could have negotatied a peace with the USA and Russia would never get Atomic Weapons and communism as we know it would have stopped with a failed Long March in China after Russia collapsed. Mao would have died a political exile.
>>599106494 pretty much this, the Nazis fucked up every Euro country until Churchill and his Britbongs kicked their ass, gained air superiority, bombed the living shit out of them and called us for back up when the poor fags ran out of money and resources
>>599107382 That's fukkin stupid, If Hitler couldn't conquer North Africa successfully how was he supposed to just waltz through ally supported Baltic states into the Middle East and conquer the place?
>>599107713 >Not switching the objective to London during the Battle of Britain. Keep the pressure on Fighter Command. Have Model tear up operation Dynamo and just fuck everything up at Dunkirk. Don't let Paulus wait two fucking days during the opening battles of Stalingrad. The Germans had the reds pincer-ed outside the city, and by letting the two days slip by the Bolsheviks managed to retreat back into the city.
Keep in mind that Hitler was a trophy hunter and not a political leader. To him, big prizes were capturing enemy capital cities and not their land.
Also, Hitler had many poor experiences in London during his youth. It a way the Blitz was one big temper tantrum cause Hitler could not pull at a London pub twenty years earlier.
That would make a funny course in history. A time traveler gets a young Hitler laid in a London pub during the 1920's and history is forever altered.
The Allies had the manpower and logistics of an entire planet. It really pisses me off when some fuckface like you says >hurt if X Hitler win whole Nazi Erff speak German
Both the Japs and Krouts were outmanned, outgunned, out produced, and cut off from eachother. The only thing either side could've done would be to postpone the loss, maybe surrender under better terms.
Fatherland is one of the few movies I have seen several times. That Mad Men styled American's going into a triumphant Nazi Europa still rings hard in my head. It is like that happened and the current life we live was altered by a government time travel program to prevent it.
Hitler might have failed, but the German Nationalist/Socialist hasn't. The Nazi remenants are at it again, this time with a financial invasion across Europe. And history repeats itself. And they will fail again for the same reason they failed last time. Arrogance and overextention.
I remember some US president recommended that Germany be bombed every 50 years, just in case!
Hitler was a shitty tactician who often overruled his advisers who were making the rights decisions and in the end he badly fucked everything up
basically if you wanted the NAZI's to win the war all you have to do is go back it time and shoot Hitler a year or two after he becomes chancellor
if it wasn't for Hitler the Army would have begun outfitting divisions with STG44's (the first assault rifle) in 1941'
if it wasn't for Hitler the Luftwaffe would have never switched from targeting RAF bases to bombing cities and the RAF would have collapsed and Great Britain would have capitulated
Hitler cut off Rommel's supplies forcing him to give up the sweeping gains he made in North Africa
Hitler made that retarded alliance with the Japanese and when they attacked Pearl harbor he had no choice but to declare war on America. No binding alliance with japan and America has no justification to invade Europe. "Muh Jews" wasn't a good enough excuse since everyone hates them
Hitler had an obsession with super weapons some of which were awesome but most of which were a total waste of production
Hitler wasted manpower and material on a useless surface navy when it should have all been thrown into U-BOAT production or the Luftwaffe
Hitler fucked EVERYTHING up and having hi in charge was the best possible outcome for the Allied powers
Put a more competent man in charge of Germany and we all would have been fucking raped
>>599109041 >Both the Japs and Krouts were outmanned, outgunned, out produced, and cut off from eachother. The only thing either side could've done would be to postpone the loss, maybe surrender under better terms.
Or Heisenberg completed his heavy water experiments and a few Allied cities were Nazi nuked to stop the whole war and the battle lines were kept as is to this day.
Germany attacked Russia for oil.. He shouldn't of lost the battle of britian.. Before attacking Russia.. Also he should of sticked to leading and giving speeches not planing invasions.. Hitler should of let his generals do that
>>599109305 >Hitler might have failed, but the German Nationalist/Socialist hasn't. >The Nazi remenants are at it again, this time with a financial invasion across Europe. And history repeats itself. >And they will fail again for the same reason they failed last time. >Arrogance and overextention.
>>599106210 If he hadn't have treated the Commanders and Generals like fucking kids. In a lot of Hitler's bad decisions, like moving the bulk of their artillery to Calais, literally the most fucking stupid place Britain could plan to land for the exact reason of expectation, instead of moving them to Normandy. I'm sure generals adviced him to move most to Normandy and he refused. Also in a lot of cases where he could have saved thousands of soldiers, he refused any Commander to retreat forces.
>Signed the non-aggression treaty with Russia but agreed not to invade for 12 months >waved the non-aggression pact to the British public telling them don't waste money on arms development >Massively expand German arms production and development in 1939/1940 >Used the same strategy as WW2 followed and roll over the top of the Brits and Russians Leaves the issue of the holocaust outstanding though.....
>>599108865 but if hitler had concentrated all of his troops on north africa instead of britain
1. no american bombings for fear of threats against britain
2.no russian retaliation
3. still having japan and romania as fellow countries
they could of taken north africa, but what he tried to do is play too many balls, try to attack to many countries, where as if he had concentrated on north african/middle eastern countries, they could of taken them
Hitler had the British cornered, the French surrendered, most of Europe in his hands and North America wasn't really participating. If he hadn't attacked Russia, he would have won the war, but by doing so, he created an enormous enemy for himself that he couldn't defeat.
>>599110258 i agree totally, American citizens had no interest in the war whatsoever but FDR and Churchill had some kind of gay action going on, besides Japan that's the whole reason we sided with Britain
1. How can you take not killing the Jews off the table? I'm not saying don't fuck with them or don't deport them all. That's fine and you end up taking all their money and stuff for the state but it took a lot of effort to set up the whole killing the Jews system and that effort could have been better spent elsewhere.
Still, attacking Russia too soon. In fact "too soon" was pretty much the problem with Hitler. It worked at first but he should have chilled out the Brits and the French by not invading Poland so soon. That activated the western front.
He should have honored his agreement after grabbing the Sudetenland and then secretly agreed with Russia to divide up Poland. Then when they invade at the appointed time he should have charged right through Poland and hit the Russians hard calling on Britain and France to join him in defending Poland against the Communist invasion. Turn Stalin into the real bad guy.
1) Waiting longer to prepare. France and the UK were only spending a couple of percent of GDP on military immediately before 1939 so it would have helped because more people + deeper indoctrination + more armaments + better technology will always help win wars.
2) Not start wars on two fronts. Hitler basically practised divide and conquer on himself.
D-day: Erwin Rommel(A military genius like no other in history) is in Paris for the day , celebrating the birthday of his wife. Cant come back in time , cant lead the defenders. Armored divisions are kept on hold and only Hitler can release them. Hitler is sleeping in Berlin and everybody is afraid to wake him up. If Erwin Rommel(who would have turned the 9000 allied casualties to 30000 without the armored reserves) calls you and tells you to wake up Hitler... you fucking wake up Hitler. If the result of D-day was the other way around, Hitler wins the war. Germans lost the war purely due to bad luck and lack of balls on one god damn secretary.
>>599110258 I forgot about Romania, thought in my head you meant sending troops through Serbia. I don't think so anyways, some of the most experienced Generals were fighting in Tunisia and such, and to my recollection Tunisia wasn't really much for Britain, but then again what would Hitler getting involved in African colonisation do to benefit him? or MIddle Eastern for that matter?
Not fuck with Russia and send all their resources to the Western front. Then tell the Japs not to fuck with America and just keep attacking China. Then Double team Russia up the ass. Leave America alone until last.
>>599110460 Also, Hitler talked a lot about how Russia was prepping for a huge invasion of some kind, which probably was Germany. Stalin was a huge war mongerer too, Fascists and Communists really hated each other so the war with Russia probably would have happened anyways
>>599110688 That was sort of part and parcel of the whole thing starting. It was Hitler's beliefs, so if you say "not trying to kill the jews" you're basically saying having a completely different dictator altogether, because his hatred for jews directed his politics
>>599107582 I know the battle of britain, I'm just saying that if time had gone on, Germany would have just kept bombing us, and eventually we would have fucking caved. They didn't have the naval ability to invade us outright, but they COULD bomb us repeatedly until there was so little infrastructure left, we could barely defend outselves. Or at least make it EXTREMELY difficult to. We had no way of going on offense, not enough people, until America showed up. Simple as that.
>>599110742 >1) Waiting longer to prepare. France and the UK were only spending a couple of percent of GDP on military immediately before 1939 so it would have helped because more people + deeper indoctrination + more armaments + better technology will always help win wars. >2) Not start wars on two fronts. Hitler basically practised divide and conquer on himself. >3) Don't attack Russia in winter.
If you really want a good backstory of WWII, look at the Swiss bankers and their actions decades before and after the war. Imagine how the war would have changed if Hitler successful conquered Switzerland killed all the Swiss bankers and had their gold?
If you think wars are started and nations fall, allowing new power to take over, are all coincidences, then you need to immerse yourself in the human history more. Its been a continuous circle since the dawn of man. And when people point out factual information, they're ridiculed. All you gotta do to achieve this is put football on in front of us, control all mass media, and brainwash everybody to believe the same thoughts from somebody else who was brainwashed. Also, as new generations come, they're taught the same crap, and they can't really imagine what life was like before they were born. They just gotta take our textbooks' word for it. Who owns the textbook companies? Do some research. Who owns all of TV? Do some research. - and try not to let shitty ass disinformation about reptilian shapeshifters, or zionist jews, or neo nazis, area 51, or any other crap get you off track of piecing together the truth. Good luck
>>599110460 Britfag that posted >>599106738 here. Fuck your patriotism, think long term wise. See my post >>599111928 for what would have happened. Probably never finished primary if you think we honestly would have "won" or made a dent in Nazi germany without america's help.
>>599108155 Lloyd George was voted out of office in 1922. I think you mean Neville Chamberlain. Who resigned in 1940, then died of bowl cancer the same year, so even if he had not resigned, Churchill would have assumed command a few months down the line anyway.
For one, if they had beaten the north african troops, they could of got into central africa, not only would they have conquered a truly large scale of land, they could of killed the ancestors of the boko haram or Al Shabaab, also, africa contains many diamonds worth millions, as so does the middle east for that matter. but on the other hand (as i stated in my earlier comments), we could of stopped the spread of islam instead of Judaism, fair enough Judaism is a bad religion, but islam is worse in my opinion
>>599110376 You misunderstood, I'm not talking about the skinheaded mongrels that praise hitler. I'm talking about the ones that hold key positions in the EU, using it to spread their influence on other countries through inveestments and privatization of their national assets. You have actually given me one more point. The devaluation of the Euro could probably help the US dollar, if the gov makes the right moves.
>>599111090 >D-day: Erwin Rommel(A military genius like no other in history) is in Paris for the day , celebrating the birthday of his wife. Cant come back in time , cant lead the defenders. >Armored divisions are kept on hold and only Hitler can release them. Hitler is sleeping in Berlin and everybody is afraid to wake him up. >If Erwin Rommel(who would have turned the 9000 allied casualties to 30000 without the armored reserves) calls you and tells you to wake up Hitler... you fucking wake up Hitler.
I have it on good authority that during D-Day, Ike at Expeditionary headquarters in London's biggest concern was German armored divisions heading to the Normandy beaches.
French underground all over the north of France were watching all roads that could travel armor to see if anything was moving. This is why Patton has a faux division doing a fake invasion near Denmark. So yes, no armor, the beaches were taken.
The novel and movie Fatherland big "what if" started off about the D-Day invasion failing as German armor defeated the allies at Normandy.
>>599111990 I read once that Hitler didn't attack Switzerland even though between Nazi Germany and Italy he had them surrounded because many people there were ethnically german, and because Swiss army snipers were so fucking feared that Hitler didn't feel like he could win against them in the Alps. Always wondered how true that was.
>>599111090 By 1944 the war was already lost. You're right in that, given the circumstances (Germans deceived into thinking the main invasion was at Pas de Calais) they could have done a lot more to win the Battle of Normandy - but all the Allied invasion really did was speed up the German capitulation. It had been lost since Kursk, if not Stalingrad.
All these people talking about not attacking the Soviets have it wrong.
Hitler HAD to attack the USSR even EARLIER when he did - the original plan for Barbarossa was April 1941, but it was delayed due to the Yugoslav coup putting Italy in a sticky situation between Yugoslavia and Greece. You could say the war was won when the British forced Yugoslavia out of the Tripartite Pact.
Hitler refused to equip the Wehrmacht for a war that would last beyond December 1941 - that was a huge failing on his part. But even attacking from June 22nd, the Germans reached the outskirts of Moscow. If they had gone in April, they perhaps could have taken it, and Stalin with it.
The Soviet armed forces were in a dire state. Positions were undermanned, units were ill equipped, the air force was poorly organised, and the officer corps still recovering from the Great Purge. The Soviets in 1942 - when people are saying he should have attacked - were far more capable than in 1941. Hitler had to win then, and he didn't. But he could have.
It would have been aided, of course, by not allowing the British to escape at Dunkirk. Then there would have been no potential for the British to threaten the Italians in Africa, and the Luftwaffe could have been more committed to Barbarossa.
In addition, the British reeling from total defeat at Dunkirk likely never set out for Mers el Kebir, giving Germany access to the French fleet, which may well persuade Franco that he could join the war on a winning side, closing off Gibraltar to the Allies.
Then Hitler and Italy should have persuaded Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Persia to join the war in 41 with Iraq.
>>599112446 Are you people fucking stupid? They're all communists. Castro, Hitler, Putin, Nikkita, China, and countless other countries now that have been overtaken by communist regimes because we (americans) were led into these regions for reasons other than we were told. Places like Iran, Iraq, Vietnam... We also turned a blind eye to other countries being overtaken by communist russia and china, because our military was told to. HMMMMMMMMMMM I wonder where those orders came down from????
We all need to get our shit straight before we're fucked
>>599106572 No you retard because Russia was planning to pull off the exact same thing but Hitler was simply a little faster.
>>599106210 Secretly ally up with Poles and instead of attacking them, attack Soviet Union. Less lossess initially and the ability to attack even earlier, before SU was properly mobilized for such attack. Also it'd enable Hitler to conquer SU and from there strike pretty much anywhere with unlimited oil and troops and already established and working labor camps.
>>599112649 >I read once that Hitler didn't attack Switzerland even though between Nazi Germany and Italy he had them surrounded because many people there were ethnically german, and because Swiss army snipers were so fucking feared that Hitler didn't feel like he could win against them in the Alps. >Always wondered how true that was.
Story has it that he wanted to bomb Switzerland much it the same manner of the Blitz in London. Imagine of the V-1s and V-2s were dropping over Bern and Zurich instead. A lot of it was not done because of the enormous German heritage that is a part of Switzerland.
>>599112514 Pretty sure Hitler couldn't look into the future mane, also there was a whole Scramble for Africa had reached it's peak, it's not as if Hitler was just popping off nignogs and bongobongos, he would be invading allied territory. Also Kaiser Wilhelm tried this and basically helped start WW1 in the first place with the Moroccan crisis, so invading Africa would've proved detrimental.
>>599112588 The concept is a good idea, but shit a biplane with a 50kg bomb could disable that thing for a week if it had the aim, let alone squadrons of lancasters or b25s. Its a huge sitting duck that cant maneuver
>>599112548 Well, yea! Its the same in other countries' governments. These figures are in almost every government and they're all connected and good buddies. Its not obviously that they praise Hitler, Its that they all praise communism and a consolidation of basically everything - and they do whatever it takes, including murdering millions of people, for 'the greater good'
1. Form a general staff consisting off his best generals, allowing them to dictate military strategy.
2. Name Manstein supreme commander of the Eastern front.
3. Do everything he could to keep the US out of the war.
4. Develop the Me262 into a fighter - not bomber.
5. Co-ordinate with Axis - get Japan to attack Sov, get Italy to limit fuck ups.
6. Paradrop on Malta and Gibraltar.
7. Don't IMMEDIATELY start killing the Slavs - they would have loved to have been guaranteed independence or even limited independence from SOV. After the defeat of SOV, he could have killed them at his leisure.
>>599106210 If he had been better at social engineering he could have won, like if at first he made himself out to be a good guy to people across the world, for womens rights, for gays etc, then bam!, as soon as he had the world on his side, he could have taken over the world.
>>599109484 That's exactly what i would have said. To all the people saying he should have not invaded russia, Stalin was planning to invade Germany anyways so the common sense is to attack them when they're weak after stalin purged all his in command and T-34 wasn't mass produced.
>>599113509 I'm pretty sure there would've been outrage if the A-bombed Germany, I can't even think of a logical reason why, I just imagine if I was European and heard Germany got A bombed instead of Japan I'd just be pissed off, yet again I'd have probably been more pissed off with the Nazis
>>599113649 >1. Form a general staff consisting off his best generals, allowing them to dictate military strategy. >2. Name Manstein supreme commander of the Eastern front. >3. Do everything he could to keep the US out of the war. >4. Develop the Me262 into a fighter - not bomber. >5. Co-ordinate with Axis - get Japan to attack Sov, get Italy to limit fuck ups. >6. Paradrop on Malta and Gibraltar. >7. Don't IMMEDIATELY start killing the Slavs - they would have loved to have been guaranteed independence or even limited independence from SOV. After the defeat of SOV, he could have killed them at his leisure.
There are a lot of parallel with the Germans loosing WWI / WWII and the Confederacy loosing the American Civil War. Both had superior technology but short of raw resources that had them loose out of sheer attrition.
>>599113969 I get why you'd want Boko Haraam and ISIS popped off early though, but ideologies don't die with people, we'd still have these groups if ancestors of the current ones had been killed, because all of the countries have cultures which can be interpretted intoacting like these groups, which raises the question if allied/western powers had carried on colonising after World War 2, would terrorism be completely eradicated in the way in which we know it?
>>599114446 About STG44, he didn't want it developed as in his mind they should have been focusing on machine pistols and not assault rifles... The engineers got round that by naming it MG44 during development Once the field tests were conducted the army was elated by the new rifle.
>>599108652 You're trolling, I assume, but: aerial bombardment in the European theatre had very little strategic effect, especially compared to pre-war expectations, and the bombardment Britain suffered (from light twin-engined bombers) was next to nothing. For a number of complicated reasons, most related to retardation at the upper levels, the Luftwaffe was always essentially a tactical air force rather than a strategic one, and the V-weapons were morale stunts with zero material effect. Germany got the absolute shit bombed out of it and it didn't stop them. More people were killed in one month in Hamburg than in the bombing of Britain during the entire war; German industrial production actually increased in '44 despite every factory in Lancaster range being bombed round the clock.
Also, the Americans accomplished next to nothing in the defensive air war, the British anti-air setup was already good enough to need no help by the time the Americans showed up, let alone by the time they were established enough to make a difference. The USAAF's role was essentially offensive for the whole war.
>>599106808 Also correct. Read a theory recently that it was Hitler helping out with Yugo and Greece (because Mussolini fucked up so tragically the Greeks actually beat him back into Albania) which set Wehrmacht prep for Barbarossa back and might have cost them Moscow. Though it's a bit speculative.
>>599106210 >not invaded russia >broken off alliance with the the japs as soon as they hit the americans >be like "fuck those crazy japs, here we'll give you most of france back, but we keep the parts of the middle east, north africa and poland. that way we can stop the japs who are invading your pacific and indian/chinese spheres of influences." >declare war on the japs same day as united states
Germans never had any large scale plans for development of an atom bomb, primarily because the tacticians realised it would take longer than they could sustain a full out war. They considered it a waste of resources on technology that would be developed too late to be of any use.
The Nazi atom bomb was a side project with little founding.
>>599111924 Such a thing would not be done if there was nothing to gain. They saw there was gain in investing in southern countries, granted there were assets to claim, shackled politians to enable privatization of national assets, low salaries and loose taxing for businesses, and Germany wanted to be the 'benefactor'. it was a good plan, but it failed.
Now they are not financing any countries. They are financing the bad choices of bankrupt banks across europe. To the point of the thread though. It's not about those countries anymore, It's about holding prestige. Merkel knows the current program has failed, but refuses to let go because she has induced the same damaging cuts upon her own people. Breaking the contracts with the lenders would make her lose face. That is also a reason why Hitler failed, he had to keep going even though the war was wearing germany down too.
Have Japan coordinate an invasion of Siberia with Operation Barbarossa. Several divisions of better equipped Siberian troops would have been unavailable to defend Moscow in the frigid cold.
Result: Hitler takes the city, frees up troops to support in the Battle of Stalingrad, the thin front lines resulting from the retreat never occur, Russian morale plummets after their capital is taken.
1. Keep the agreement with Russia to invade Poland. When Russia Invade Poland, don't invade Poland. Make Britain angry at Russia, start war against Russia under the guise of liberating Poland (with Britains help of course...). Then don't leave Poland after.
2. After Russia have been dealt a swift blow, then turn on France and Britain. This time don't lose the Battle of Britain, it shouldn't be too hard now you don't have to throw all your resources into Russia.
3. Finish up with Britain and France in Africa and other colonies etc. And fuck Italy up, fuck them as allied, they betrayed you in WW1 why would you trust them fucker again.
4. Now Europe and Russia are yours, destroy the US with the help Japs.
>>599115345 But they may well have attacked in the years after. With the Red Army back up to full strength, it would be impossible, like it was after 43.
You only have to look at the effects of the Great Purge and the state of Russian units manning the front to see how weak they were. They were gradually growing stronger, getting better equipment. It was then, or never.
>>599115601 Moscow was a lot more valuable in 1941 than in the 19th/late 18th centuries.
Most importantly, Comrade Stalin refused to leave Moscow. If he was taken, the Soviets may have not found a leader capable of keeping them together. Separatist movements across the USSR may have gathered strength. It's all speculation, of course.
>>599115718 The weather was cleared up by June, no? It's still a matter of weeks, not months, yes, but that could have been all it took. I think even with the unnusual wet the Germans might have just gone for it anyway.
>>599116759 The Germans would have still held the edge in tactics, leadership, training, morale, (most) equipment, etc. Yes, after 43 the Soviet military was significantly better but they had been fighting a war for two years gaining valuable experience.
They might have just gone for it, but then again the impact of forcing mobile divisions to fight through the mud have been even more of hindrance.
Germans had plenty weapons in the make, from airplanes to submarines, but hitler was pretty far gone by the end... so far gone in fact that he started blaming the germans for the failure.
The main reason why historians think that germans didn't really care for the nuclear bomb was because they never really fixed the generators in norway for heavy water production. Also a lot of the shipments of said water were abandoned. The reactor that was found by the allies was far from operational, at that time USA was way ahead in terms of nuclear development.
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