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ITT: strategic ways hitler could have won world war 2 >inb4

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ITT: strategic ways hitler could have won world war 2

>inb4 hurr durr not being a vegetarian
>inb4 hurr durr killing all the jews
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>>599106210
Not fucking with the British
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>>599106210
Honored their treaty with Russia & not attacking them would've been a good start. Taking over the Middle East instead of just Northern Africa would've been good to.
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>>599106494
>not fucking with the british
Lol if America hadn't shown up, we would've been flying a nazi flag within months, don't kid yourself.
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>>599106210

>reking the English at Dunkirk would have destroyed british morale, and their expeditionary force
>not attacking Yugoslavia and losing 3 weeks of precious time required to blitz Russia
>not being a fucking retard


That's about it
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>>599106494
read history much?
the reason hitler got as far as he did was because of british appeasement
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>>599106210
Kill jews more efficiently.
If he'd killed them all faster the world would have realized Adolf's favor to all actual human beings and voted Adolf world leader.
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>>599106808
this
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The Germanic people have lost an absurd number of conflicts dating back over 2,000 years. They fucking stink. The anglo-normans are gods by comparison.
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>>599106210
not help the Italians in Africa and attacking Russia before
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>>599106210
earlier stgw44, earlier panther, no resources wasting on holocaust, no resource wasting in tiger, not attacking russia when britain's not taken over, not loose air superiority
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Invading turkey and going further south into the middle east like syria and lebanon

this makes me wonder

if hitler had invaded the middle east, would there be a taliban? a ISIL? even 9/11?

who knows man, who knows,
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>>599107310
potato grammar
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>>599106210
fighting in winter on that eastern front is bad news, yo
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>>599106738
>>599106818

topkek

>mfw pledging allegiance every morning in school and not knowing battle of Britain
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There was no chance.

>>>/pol/
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>>599106210
This:
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>>599107382
>hitler caused 9/11 confirmed
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He should have delayed the attack on the russians 1 year, all while taking the british isles as much of europe as he could and north africa with the middle east, then he should have go with a blitz to moscow.
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>>599106210
Not switching the objective to London during the Battle of Britain. Keep the pressure on Fighter Command. Have Model tear up operation Dynamo and just fuck everything up at Dunkirk. Don't let Paulus wait two fucking days during the opening battles of Stalingrad. The Germans had the reds pincer-ed outside the city, and by letting the two days slip by the Bolsheviks managed to retreat back into the city.
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pure marxism instead of dictatorial socialism
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>>599106738
The Germans never had the naval capability to invade the British Isles.
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>>599107158
>anglo-normans
the Saxons that were conquered by the Normans now feel they are on the winning side? They lost England m8.
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>>599106572
Not pullin a ye olde Napoleon wouldve be good. World probably wouldve taken over if it werent for that.
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>>599107465
it's probably cause he's so smart
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>>599106818
gr8 b8 m8 8/8
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>>599106210

By invading Poland in 1942 instead of 1939.
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>>599106210
Not invading Poland. Well at least until he had got the Britbongs on side to help attack russia. Churchil hated russia and saw them as the main threat.

Also without attacking Poland, Lloyd George would of remained Britbongs pm...
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>>599107158
Without the Germans you'd all be speaking Latin.
But the Romans ran away at the sight of 7 foot giants.
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>>599106210
Pretty damn simple. If he didn't put so much emphasis on the eastern front and stopped at Poland, he could have used all those troops have have every piece of western Europe from Gibraltar to Arctic Circle. Then he could have negotatied a peace with the USA and Russia would never get Atomic Weapons and communism as we know it would have stopped with a failed Long March in China after Russia collapsed. Mao would have died a political exile.
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>>599107713
I guess he also could of ignored the mentally retarded Italians in Libya and just leave Africa alone, have Rommel go somewhere more important.
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>>599106494
pretty much this, the Nazis fucked up every Euro country until Churchill and his Britbongs kicked their ass, gained air superiority, bombed the living shit out of them and called us for back up when the poor fags ran out of money and resources
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>>599106210
I think if Hitler would've kept moving forward during the Battle of the Bulge, it's possible his 12th infantry might've taken back Australia from the aboriginals
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>>599107582

stop with your shit. the americans saved your fucking asses from being bombarded.

>>599107771

but they would have bombed you ass from the sky if the americans didnt lend a hand


not even murican. but brits are such fags. american saved their ass
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>>599106210
>don't piss of the slavs
>if you do, bring coats
That's literally all he had to do. What an idiot.
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>>599106210
>could have won
wut?
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>>599107382
That's fukkin stupid, If Hitler couldn't conquer North Africa successfully how was he supposed to just waltz through ally supported Baltic states into the Middle East and conquer the place?

>Not knowing France occupied Syria
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>>599107382
read the Hitler Legacy. It's funky ass shit like ODESSA and what Nazis did after the war. Quite a few went to the Middle East.
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>>599107713
>Not switching the objective to London during the Battle of Britain. Keep the pressure on Fighter Command. Have Model tear up operation Dynamo and just fuck everything up at Dunkirk. Don't let Paulus wait two fucking days during the opening battles of Stalingrad. The Germans had the reds pincer-ed outside the city, and by letting the two days slip by the Bolsheviks managed to retreat back into the city.

Keep in mind that Hitler was a trophy hunter and not a political leader. To him, big prizes were capturing enemy capital cities and not their land.

Also, Hitler had many poor experiences in London during his youth. It a way the Blitz was one big temper tantrum cause Hitler could not pull at a London pub twenty years earlier.

That would make a funny course in history. A time traveler gets a young Hitler laid in a London pub during the 1920's and history is forever altered.
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>>599108652
Not sure if gr8 b8 or not smart enough to know what happened in the war
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>>599106738
>Implying american's did most of the work
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as I understand it, China was a major ally power during the war, what if he had gone East and Japan had gone west in a pincher movement?
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they shouldn't have pissed off Russia
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>>599108652
Being this dumb.
>2015 and still not knowing about blechly park.

We won in 1942, everything else was just a mopping up excercise.
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>>599106210

The Allies had the manpower and logistics of an entire planet. It really pisses me off when some fuckface like you says
>hurt if X Hitler win whole Nazi Erff speak German

Both the Japs and Krouts were outmanned, outgunned, out produced, and cut off from eachother. The only thing either side could've done would be to postpone the loss, maybe surrender under better terms.
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>>599108652
retard
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>>599108897
Just saying how he could hypothetically win.
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>>599107664
now, with colour!
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>>599108832
>>>599106210 (OP)
>>could have won
>wut?

Fatherland is one of the few movies I have seen several times. That Mad Men styled American's going into a triumphant Nazi Europa still rings hard in my head. It is like that happened and the current life we live was altered by a government time travel program to prevent it.
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Not entering the Fucking Russia in the winter
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Hitler might have failed, but the German Nationalist/Socialist hasn't.
The Nazi remenants are at it again, this time with a financial invasion across Europe. And history repeats itself.
And they will fail again for the same reason they failed last time.
Arrogance and overextention.

I remember some US president recommended that Germany be bombed every 50 years, just in case!
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>>599106210
Let his fucking generals make the calls as they saw fit. Grosster feldherr alles zeit my ass.
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Hitler was a shitty tactician who often overruled his advisers who were making the rights decisions and in the end he badly fucked everything up

basically if you wanted the NAZI's to win the war all you have to do is go back it time and shoot Hitler a year or two after he becomes chancellor

if it wasn't for Hitler the Army would have begun outfitting divisions with STG44's (the first assault rifle) in 1941'

if it wasn't for Hitler the Luftwaffe would have never switched from targeting RAF bases to bombing cities and the RAF would have collapsed and Great Britain would have capitulated

Hitler cut off Rommel's supplies forcing him to give up the sweeping gains he made in North Africa

Hitler made that retarded alliance with the Japanese and when they attacked Pearl harbor he had no choice but to declare war on America. No binding alliance with japan and America has no justification to invade Europe. "Muh Jews" wasn't a good enough excuse since everyone hates them

Hitler had an obsession with super weapons some of which were awesome but most of which were a total waste of production

Hitler wasted manpower and material on a useless surface navy when it should have all been thrown into U-BOAT production or the Luftwaffe

Hitler fucked EVERYTHING up and having hi in charge was the best possible outcome for the Allied powers

Put a more competent man in charge of Germany and we all would have been fucking raped
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>>599109041
>Both the Japs and Krouts were outmanned, outgunned, out produced, and cut off from eachother. The only thing either side could've done would be to postpone the loss, maybe surrender under better terms.

Or Heisenberg completed his heavy water experiments and a few Allied cities were Nazi nuked to stop the whole war and the battle lines were kept as is to this day.
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Germany attacked Russia for oil.. He shouldn't of lost the battle of britian.. Before attacking Russia.. Also he should of sticked to leading and giving speeches not planing invasions.. Hitler should of let his generals do that
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>>599109305
>Hitler might have failed, but the German Nationalist/Socialist hasn't.
>The Nazi remenants are at it again, this time with a financial invasion across Europe. And history repeats itself.
>And they will fail again for the same reason they failed last time.
>Arrogance and overextention.

Many call the EU, the Forth Reich.
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>>599109305
danke man, fiskalische invasion? Alter, du spinnst.
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He should have overthrown the people who financed his regime, but that was very unlikely
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>>599106210
If he hadn't have treated the Commanders and Generals like fucking kids. In a lot of Hitler's bad decisions, like moving the bulk of their artillery to Calais, literally the most fucking stupid place Britain could plan to land for the exact reason of expectation, instead of moving them to Normandy. I'm sure generals adviced him to move most to Normandy and he refused. Also in a lot of cases where he could have saved thousands of soldiers, he refused any Commander to retreat forces.

Stopping Ultra would've helped too
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>>599108652
Lol this guy.

Check out the Battle of Britain m8.

Air superiority combined with naval dominance meant Nazi germany had no chance of invading Britain any time after 1940.
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>Signed the non-aggression treaty with Russia but agreed not to invade for 12 months
>waved the non-aggression pact to the British public telling them don't waste money on arms development
>Massively expand German arms production and development in 1939/1940
>Used the same strategy as WW2 followed and roll over the top of the Brits and Russians
Leaves the issue of the holocaust outstanding though.....
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>>599106210
Don't trusting Mussolini
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>>599108380
the only thing disturbing about that webm is the title.
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>>599106494
>Not fucking with the British

Hitler sent three peace offers to U.K. The only reason that the U.K didn't accept was because the USA was finding any way possible to enter the war.
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I would like to know what they teach in German schools today about all this.
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>>599109258
Yeah, President Trueman driving by an endless parade to meet Hitler. Unsettling moments. Berlin is so over the top with lightbeams everywhere.
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>>599107256
this
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>>599109760
>He should have overthrown the people who financed his regime, but that was very unlikely

Dude, war profiteers are more sly and diabolical than any field general. About the last one to successfully overthrow those who financed their wars was Pope Innocent.

This Pope outlawed the Knights Templar and then ceased their banking system. That Templar banking system became the Vatican Bank.
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>>599108865
but if hitler had concentrated all of his troops on north africa instead of britain

1. no american bombings for fear of threats against britain

2.no russian retaliation

3. still having japan and romania as fellow countries

they could of taken north africa, but what he tried to do is play too many balls, try to attack to many countries, where as if he had concentrated on north african/middle eastern countries, they could of taken them

i'm not an expert, but it seems to make sense
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>>599109913
royal navy still wasin fighting condition, and as long as the RAF is somewhat operable, krauts aint gonna set a foot on the isles
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>>599110005
I'm pretty sure Roosevelt wanted nothing to do with the war apart from make money from providing weapons and such, I might be wrong tho
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>>599109305
You're an idiot. Neo Nazism is not the problem.
Hitler couldn't have won anyways no matter what he did. He was put up on a pedastool so he could be knocked off, just as planned
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>>599110005
top fucking kek m8

what book did you read that in

have you been spending too much time on r/conspiracy again
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>>599110005
b8 is gr8 m8
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>>599110175
>Yeah, President Trueman driving by an endless parade to meet Hitler. Unsettling moments. Berlin is so over the top with lightbeams everywhere.

Actually in the movie it was President Joe Kennedy (the rum runner himself) who was in a Nazi Berlin. The artwork for that scene was right out of Albert Spears concept work for the post-war Berlin.
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Hitler had the British cornered, the French surrendered, most of Europe in his hands and North America wasn't really participating. If he hadn't attacked Russia, he would have won the war, but by doing so, he created an enormous enemy for himself that he couldn't defeat.
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>>599110005
What the fuck faggot
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>>599110258
i agree totally, American citizens had no interest in the war whatsoever but FDR and Churchill had some kind of gay action going on, besides Japan that's the whole reason we sided with Britain
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>ITT: We get butthurt about dolfy losing

Lel
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>>599106210

1. How can you take not killing the Jews off the table? I'm not saying don't fuck with them or don't deport them all. That's fine and you end up taking all their money and stuff for the state but it took a lot of effort to set up the whole killing the Jews system and that effort could have been better spent elsewhere.

Still, attacking Russia too soon. In fact "too soon" was pretty much the problem with Hitler. It worked at first but he should have chilled out the Brits and the French by not invading Poland so soon. That activated the western front.

He should have honored his agreement after grabbing the Sudetenland and then secretly agreed with Russia to divide up Poland. Then when they invade at the appointed time he should have charged right through Poland and hit the Russians hard calling on Britain and France to join him in defending Poland against the Communist invasion. Turn Stalin into the real bad guy.
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>>599110460
>Hitler had the British cornered
do you even history faggot?
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1) Waiting longer to prepare. France and the UK were only spending a couple of percent of GDP on military immediately before 1939 so it would have helped because more people + deeper indoctrination + more armaments + better technology will always help win wars.

2) Not start wars on two fronts. Hitler basically practised divide and conquer on himself.

3) Don't attack Russia in winter.
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>>599110460
no, really?
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>>599108943

>no, just recognizing that Americans bought most of the bullets
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>>599109484
didn't read lol
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>>599106818
He's partially correct. Everyone who denies this should uninstall /b. Chamberlain fucked up hard.
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>>599110460
>Hitler had the British cornered

what fucking war were you watching dumb nigga
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D-day: Erwin Rommel(A military genius like no other in history) is in Paris for the day , celebrating the birthday of his wife. Cant come back in time , cant lead the defenders.
Armored divisions are kept on hold and only Hitler can release them. Hitler is sleeping in Berlin and everybody is afraid to wake him up.
If Erwin Rommel(who would have turned the 9000 allied casualties to 30000 without the armored reserves) calls you and tells you to wake up Hitler... you fucking wake up Hitler.
If the result of D-day was the other way around, Hitler wins the war. Germans lost the war purely due to bad luck and lack of balls on one god damn secretary.
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>>599109540

No, no way the Germans had the ability to actually create and deploy nukes.
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>>599109685
Fiscal, is this the right term?
You have to admit their strategy is somewhat similar. For one, creating a sense of entitlement among the german people.
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>>599110258
I forgot about Romania, thought in my head you meant sending troops through Serbia. I don't think so anyways, some of the most experienced Generals were fighting in Tunisia and such, and to my recollection Tunisia wasn't really much for Britain, but then again what would Hitler getting involved in African colonisation do to benefit him? or MIddle Eastern for that matter?
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Not fuck with Russia and send all their resources to the Western front. Then tell the Japs not to fuck with America and just keep attacking China. Then Double team Russia up the ass. Leave America alone until last.
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>>599106818
this.
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>>599110962
The British weren't landing in Europe, and London was being bombed.
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>>599110460
Also, Hitler talked a lot about how Russia was prepping for a huge invasion of some kind, which probably was Germany. Stalin was a huge war mongerer too, Fascists and Communists really hated each other so the war with Russia probably would have happened anyways
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>>599108380
There's a Battle of The Bulge happening in my pants right now.
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>>599111342
how can you be this fucking dumb
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>>599110688
That was sort of part and parcel of the whole thing starting. It was Hitler's beliefs, so if you say "not trying to kill the jews" you're basically saying having a completely different dictator altogether, because his hatred for jews directed his politics
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>>599111499
dubs, and show us a pic of that bulge, faggot
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>>599109278
>this
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>>599111342
this guy
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>>599111342
nigger dont tell me you were schooled in USA, you make us all look dumb, please be ausfag
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>>599111190
what do u wish to express, german money being devaluated to enable financing southern nations fiscal budgets with the printing press. how is that an act of agression from the german side?
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>>599107582
I know the battle of britain, I'm just saying that if time had gone on, Germany would have just kept bombing us, and eventually we would have fucking caved.
They didn't have the naval ability to invade us outright, but they COULD bomb us repeatedly until there was so little infrastructure left, we could barely defend outselves. Or at least make it EXTREMELY difficult to.
We had no way of going on offense, not enough people, until America showed up. Simple as that.
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>Incentivize more nations to join the reich
>Gain control of many natural resources
>Gain money
>Gain power
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>>599111499
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>>599110742
>1) Waiting longer to prepare. France and the UK were only spending a couple of percent of GDP on military immediately before 1939 so it would have helped because more people + deeper indoctrination + more armaments + better technology will always help win wars.
>2) Not start wars on two fronts. Hitler basically practised divide and conquer on himself.
>3) Don't attack Russia in winter.

If you really want a good backstory of WWII, look at the Swiss bankers and their actions decades before and after the war. Imagine how the war would have changed if Hitler successful conquered Switzerland killed all the Swiss bankers and had their gold?
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>>599106210
well.. japan didn't have radar tech... but they did have the best torpedo design of ww2. trading radar for the long lance would have helped.

not invading russia would have helped...

not wasting resources on the king tiger and other superheavy special snowflake tanks would have helped.

....letting his generals dictate strategy rather than giving terrible mandates like "either defend or die"

not sending that stupid spy attack against america....
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>>599111928
read a fucking book you stupid fat cunt
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If you think wars are started and nations fall, allowing new power to take over, are all coincidences, then you need to immerse yourself in the human history more. Its been a continuous circle since the dawn of man. And when people point out factual information, they're ridiculed. All you gotta do to achieve this is put football on in front of us, control all mass media, and brainwash everybody to believe the same thoughts from somebody else who was brainwashed. Also, as new generations come, they're taught the same crap, and they can't really imagine what life was like before they were born. They just gotta take our textbooks' word for it. Who owns the textbook companies? Do some research. Who owns all of TV? Do some research. - and try not to let shitty ass disinformation about reptilian shapeshifters, or zionist jews, or neo nazis, area 51, or any other crap get you off track of piecing together the truth. Good luck
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>>599106210
Hurr Durr by not doing what fucking Napoleon did.

Oh wait...not hurr durr. That's actually true
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>>599111990
I didn't know about that, I'll have to look it up some time :)
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>>599110460
Britfag that posted
>>599106738
here.
Fuck your patriotism, think long term wise. See my post >>599111928
for what would have happened.
Probably never finished primary if you think we honestly would have "won" or made a dent in Nazi germany without america's help.
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>>599108234
>Implying latin is a bad thing
>Implying germanic languages are easy or efficient
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>>599108155
Lloyd George was voted out of office in 1922. I think you mean Neville Chamberlain. Who resigned in 1940, then died of bowl cancer the same year, so even if he had not resigned, Churchill would have assumed command a few months down the line anyway.
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does anyone have that comic showing how jews came into europe and how every1 was open but the jews ended up being assholes and people started killing them?
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>>599106210
>Not teaming up with Japan
>Not teaming up with Italy
>Not fucking with the Russians (even thought they stand for everything he hates)
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>>599111202

For one, if they had beaten the north african troops, they could of got into central africa, not only would they have conquered a truly large scale of land, they could of killed the ancestors of the boko haram or Al Shabaab, also, africa contains many diamonds worth millions, as so does the middle east for that matter. but on the other hand (as i stated in my earlier comments), we could of stopped the spread of islam instead of Judaism, fair enough Judaism is a bad religion, but islam is worse in my opinion
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>>599110376
You misunderstood,
I'm not talking about the skinheaded mongrels that praise hitler. I'm talking about the ones that hold key positions in the EU, using it to spread their influence on other countries through inveestments and privatization of their national assets.
You have actually given me one more point.
The devaluation of the Euro could probably help the US dollar, if the gov makes the right moves.
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>>599111090
>D-day: Erwin Rommel(A military genius like no other in history) is in Paris for the day , celebrating the birthday of his wife. Cant come back in time , cant lead the defenders.
>Armored divisions are kept on hold and only Hitler can release them. Hitler is sleeping in Berlin and everybody is afraid to wake him up.
>If Erwin Rommel(who would have turned the 9000 allied casualties to 30000 without the armored reserves) calls you and tells you to wake up Hitler... you fucking wake up Hitler.

I have it on good authority that during D-Day, Ike at Expeditionary headquarters in London's biggest concern was German armored divisions heading to the Normandy beaches.

French underground all over the north of France were watching all roads that could travel armor to see if anything was moving. This is why Patton has a faux division doing a fake invasion near Denmark. So yes, no armor, the beaches were taken.

The novel and movie Fatherland big "what if" started off about the D-Day invasion failing as German armor defeated the allies at Normandy.
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Perhaps make more allies and cover more ground, and then eventually take over said allies with your other allows. Lather, rinse, repeat. He might've spread his stronghold albeit at a slower rate.
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>>599106210
Should have made more of these
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>>599107158
Germanic is the wrong term here
>Implying Angles aren't germanic
>inb4 normans conquered over anglo-saxons
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>>599111990
I read once that Hitler didn't attack Switzerland even though between Nazi Germany and Italy he had them surrounded because many people there were ethnically german, and because Swiss army snipers were so fucking feared that Hitler didn't feel like he could win against them in the Alps.
Always wondered how true that was.
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>>599111090
By 1944 the war was already lost. You're right in that, given the circumstances (Germans deceived into thinking the main invasion was at Pas de Calais) they could have done a lot more to win the Battle of Normandy - but all the Allied invasion really did was speed up the German capitulation. It had been lost since Kursk, if not Stalingrad.

All these people talking about not attacking the Soviets have it wrong.

Hitler HAD to attack the USSR even EARLIER when he did - the original plan for Barbarossa was April 1941, but it was delayed due to the Yugoslav coup putting Italy in a sticky situation between Yugoslavia and Greece. You could say the war was won when the British forced Yugoslavia out of the Tripartite Pact.

Hitler refused to equip the Wehrmacht for a war that would last beyond December 1941 - that was a huge failing on his part. But even attacking from June 22nd, the Germans reached the outskirts of Moscow. If they had gone in April, they perhaps could have taken it, and Stalin with it.

The Soviet armed forces were in a dire state. Positions were undermanned, units were ill equipped, the air force was poorly organised, and the officer corps still recovering from the Great Purge. The Soviets in 1942 - when people are saying he should have attacked - were far more capable than in 1941. Hitler had to win then, and he didn't. But he could have.

It would have been aided, of course, by not allowing the British to escape at Dunkirk. Then there would have been no potential for the British to threaten the Italians in Africa, and the Luftwaffe could have been more committed to Barbarossa.

In addition, the British reeling from total defeat at Dunkirk likely never set out for Mers el Kebir, giving Germany access to the French fleet, which may well persuade Franco that he could join the war on a winning side, closing off Gibraltar to the Allies.

Then Hitler and Italy should have persuaded Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Persia to join the war in 41 with Iraq.
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>>599107465
>new here
>implying
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>>599110005
>USA needing an excuse to go to war.
>laughingelf.jpg
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>>599112446
Are you people fucking stupid? They're all communists. Castro, Hitler, Putin, Nikkita, China, and countless other countries now that have been overtaken by communist regimes because we (americans) were led into these regions for reasons other than we were told. Places like Iran, Iraq, Vietnam... We also turned a blind eye to other countries being overtaken by communist russia and china, because our military was told to. HMMMMMMMMMMM I wonder where those orders came down from????


We all need to get our shit straight before we're fucked
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>>599110122
I think they just just shout at them to be sorry while they self flagellate.
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>>599106572
No you retard because Russia was planning to pull off the exact same thing but Hitler was simply a little faster.

>>599106210
Secretly ally up with Poles and instead of attacking them, attack Soviet Union. Less lossess initially and the ability to attack even earlier, before SU was properly mobilized for such attack. Also it'd enable Hitler to conquer SU and from there strike pretty much anywhere with unlimited oil and troops and already established and working labor camps.
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>>599112649
>I read once that Hitler didn't attack Switzerland even though between Nazi Germany and Italy he had them surrounded because many people there were ethnically german, and because Swiss army snipers were so fucking feared that Hitler didn't feel like he could win against them in the Alps.
>Always wondered how true that was.

Story has it that he wanted to bomb Switzerland much it the same manner of the Blitz in London. Imagine of the V-1s and V-2s were dropping over Bern and Zurich instead. A lot of it was not done because of the enormous German heritage that is a part of Switzerland.
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Not killing the Jews ( there were a lot of officers in the Reichswehr back then); not stopping in D√ľnkirchen & not fucking with Russia
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>>599112588
They were terrible.
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>>599112514
Pretty sure Hitler couldn't look into the future mane, also there was a whole Scramble for Africa had reached it's peak, it's not as if Hitler was just popping off nignogs and bongobongos, he would be invading allied territory. Also Kaiser Wilhelm tried this and basically helped start WW1 in the first place with the Moroccan crisis, so invading Africa would've proved detrimental.
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>>599106210
Picking better fucking allies, the cross eyes got nuked and Italy was just terrible.
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>>599112588
The concept is a good idea, but shit a biplane with a 50kg bomb could disable that thing for a week if it had the aim, let alone squadrons of lancasters or b25s. Its a huge sitting duck that cant maneuver
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it is good the war didnt last longer, because the US would have dropped their nukes on germany instead of japan. I mean how could Germany win if the USA had the atomic bomb first? there is no way
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>>599112548
Well, yea! Its the same in other countries' governments. These figures are in almost every government and they're all connected and good buddies. Its not obviously that they praise Hitler, Its that they all praise communism and a consolidation of basically everything - and they do whatever it takes, including murdering millions of people, for 'the greater good'
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1. Form a general staff consisting off his best generals, allowing them to dictate military strategy.

2. Name Manstein supreme commander of the Eastern front.

3. Do everything he could to keep the US out of the war.

4. Develop the Me262 into a fighter - not bomber.

5. Co-ordinate with Axis - get Japan to attack Sov, get Italy to limit fuck ups.

6. Paradrop on Malta and Gibraltar.

7. Don't IMMEDIATELY start killing the Slavs - they would have loved to have been guaranteed independence or even limited independence from SOV. After the defeat of SOV, he could have killed them at his leisure.
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>>599106210
If he had been better at social engineering he could have won, like if at first he made himself out to be a good guy to people across the world, for womens rights, for gays etc, then bam!, as soon as he had the world on his side, he could have taken over the world.
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>>599109484
That's exactly what i would have said. To all the people saying he should have not invaded russia, Stalin was planning to invade Germany anyways so the common sense is to attack them when they're weak after stalin purged all his in command and T-34 wasn't mass produced.
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>>599106210
Waited to kill all Jews until war had been won and using them as troops and allies
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>>599113309
i guess, as said, i'm not an expert, but i'm sure if he had considered this, he may of had a better chance of winning. but then again, i am not an expert at this subject

i'm sorry but its 12:30 and i have to get up for work, so you win this time anon
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So many fucking people think the invasion into Yugoslavia delayed Op Barb - it didn't. They attacked the earliest they could due to the weather.
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>>599113509
I'm pretty sure there would've been outrage if the A-bombed Germany, I can't even think of a logical reason why, I just imagine if I was European and heard Germany got A bombed instead of Japan I'd just be pissed off, yet again I'd have probably been more pissed off with the Nazis
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>>599111090
For some reason, I always like to see a happy hitler. It somehow makes him seem a bit more "down-to-earth," instead of just a dictator. It's like seeing a happily excited child.
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>>599106210
not trying to attack GB (especially since GB had way more experienced members for their marine)
also he should have told the japanese to stay away from Pearl Harbor

>>inb4 history will not change anyway
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I'm so sick of 99% of the people who read an article on Wiki or some other site and instantly become an expert in world affairs and power.

You're just adding to the confusion
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>>599113649
>1. Form a general staff consisting off his best generals, allowing them to dictate military strategy.
>2. Name Manstein supreme commander of the Eastern front.
>3. Do everything he could to keep the US out of the war.
>4. Develop the Me262 into a fighter - not bomber.
>5. Co-ordinate with Axis - get Japan to attack Sov, get Italy to limit fuck ups.
>6. Paradrop on Malta and Gibraltar.
>7. Don't IMMEDIATELY start killing the Slavs - they would have loved to have been guaranteed independence or even limited independence from SOV. After the defeat of SOV, he could have killed them at his leisure.

There are a lot of parallel with the Germans loosing WWI / WWII and the Confederacy loosing the American Civil War. Both had superior technology but short of raw resources that had them loose out of sheer attrition.
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>>599106210
Not invade Russia, and tell the Japs to stop thinking with their dicks and leave neutral US neutral.
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>>599111206
Good. You have cracked the strategic code that is forever to be remembered as the start of the final reich.
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>>599114129
>I'm so sick of 99% of the people who read an article on Wiki or some other site and instantly become an expert in world affairs and power.
>You're just adding to the confusion


Run for public office. That is even more fun.
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>>599109484

Since when did Hitler prevent the STG44 from being implemented ?

Hitler didn't decide to cut off supplies to Rommel, they didn't have the ability to protect their convoys.

You're right Hitler shouldn't have DOW'd US. But he wasn't bound by the alliance - it was a defensive pact.
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>>599113969
I get why you'd want Boko Haraam and ISIS popped off early though, but ideologies don't die with people, we'd still have these groups if ancestors of the current ones had been killed, because all of the countries have cultures which can be interpretted intoacting like these groups, which raises the question if allied/western powers had carried on colonising after World War 2, would terrorism be completely eradicated in the way in which we know it?
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>>599114017
Weather and the Balkans campaign both had an impact. Not one or the other.
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>>599114328
We didn't know you had a baccalaureate in history sorry man.
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>>599114446
About STG44, he didn't want it developed as in his mind they should have been focusing on machine pistols and not assault rifles... The engineers got round that by naming it MG44 during development
Once the field tests were conducted the army was elated by the new rifle.
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>>599108652
You're trolling, I assume, but: aerial bombardment in the European theatre had very little strategic effect, especially compared to pre-war expectations, and the bombardment Britain suffered (from light twin-engined bombers) was next to nothing. For a number of complicated reasons, most related to retardation at the upper levels, the Luftwaffe was always essentially a tactical air force rather than a strategic one, and the V-weapons were morale stunts with zero material effect.
Germany got the absolute shit bombed out of it and it didn't stop them. More people were killed in one month in Hamburg than in the bombing of Britain during the entire war; German industrial production actually increased in '44 despite every factory in Lancaster range being bombed round the clock.

Also, the Americans accomplished next to nothing in the defensive air war, the British anti-air setup was already good enough to need no help by the time the Americans showed up, let alone by the time they were established enough to make a difference. The USAAF's role was essentially offensive for the whole war.

>>599107310
/k/ommando detected.

>>599107771
Correct.

>>599106808
Also correct. Read a theory recently that it was Hitler helping out with Yugo and Greece (because Mussolini fucked up so tragically the Greeks actually beat him back into Albania) which set Wehrmacht prep for Barbarossa back and might have cost them Moscow. Though it's a bit speculative.
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>>599114997
I mean MP 44 not MG.
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>>599112761

It's seems unlikely Stalin was planning to attack Germany - definitely not in 41. There's no reason to believe that the Soviet military would be so significantly better in +41 than they were in 41.

The invasion into the Balkans did not delay Op Barb, they had to wait until the weather was sound.
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>>599106210
>not invaded russia
>broken off alliance with the the japs as soon as they hit the americans
>be like "fuck those crazy japs, here we'll give you most of france back, but we keep the parts of the middle east, north africa and poland. that way we can stop the japs who are invading your pacific and indian/chinese spheres of influences."
>declare war on the japs same day as united states
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>>599113509
They were mostly able to get the atomic bomb because of German scientists, taken from the defeat of Germany. Give Germany a few more months and they'd had the atomic bomb, not the US
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>>599115351
>here we'll give you most of france back
Frenchfag detected.
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>>599112761
even if they took moscow so what?

bonaparte did it alot of good it did him

it;s the russians take moscow, like they give a shit
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>>599114647
Even if they didn't invade Yugo, they would not have been in a position to attack earlier than June 22nd - that's the point.
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>>599115373

Germans never had any large scale plans for development of an atom bomb, primarily because the tacticians realised it would take longer than they could sustain a full out war. They considered it a waste of resources on technology that would be developed too late to be of any use.

The Nazi atom bomb was a side project with little founding.
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>>599111924
Such a thing would not be done if there was nothing to gain.
They saw there was gain in investing in southern countries, granted there were assets to claim, shackled politians to enable privatization of national assets, low salaries and loose taxing for businesses, and Germany wanted to be the 'benefactor'.
it was a good plan, but it failed.

Now they are not financing any countries. They are financing the bad choices of bankrupt banks across europe.
To the point of the thread though.
It's not about those countries anymore, It's about holding prestige. Merkel knows the current program has failed, but refuses to let go because she has induced the same damaging cuts upon her own people. Breaking the contracts with the lenders would make her lose face.
That is also a reason why Hitler failed, he had to keep going even though the war was wearing germany down too.
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Have Japan coordinate an invasion of Siberia with Operation Barbarossa. Several divisions of better equipped Siberian troops would have been unavailable to defend Moscow in the frigid cold.

Result: Hitler takes the city, frees up troops to support in the Battle of Stalingrad, the thin front lines resulting from the retreat never occur, Russian morale plummets after their capital is taken.
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>>599109652
Indeed, and the current crisis resembles a third World War fought with contracts and debts
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>>599106808
Duinkerke or Dunkerque fucking Englishfag
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>>599106210
>kill jews earlier
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>>599115971
Then what was the "Wunderwaffe" that would save the Germans, which Hitler was obsessed on until the very end?
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>>599116329
There was no wunderwaffe. Other than the nuke plans but it was far from being completed.
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1. Keep the agreement with Russia to invade Poland. When Russia Invade Poland, don't invade Poland. Make Britain angry at Russia, start war against Russia under the guise of liberating Poland (with Britains help of course...). Then don't leave Poland after.

2. After Russia have been dealt a swift blow, then turn on France and Britain. This time don't lose the Battle of Britain, it shouldn't be too hard now you don't have to throw all your resources into Russia.

3. Finish up with Britain and France in Africa and other colonies etc. And fuck Italy up, fuck them as allied, they betrayed you in WW1 why would you trust them fucker again.

4. Now Europe and Russia are yours, destroy the US with the help Japs.

5. Kills all the Jews.

6. Kills the Japs.

7. Make a base on the moon.
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>>599115601

Stalin planned to continue the war even if Moscow had fallen, they planned to move the capital to Kuybyshev and even began to move some staff, etc there.
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>>599115345
But they may well have attacked in the years after. With the Red Army back up to full strength, it would be impossible, like it was after 43.

You only have to look at the effects of the Great Purge and the state of Russian units manning the front to see how weak they were. They were gradually growing stronger, getting better equipment. It was then, or never.

>>599115601
Moscow was a lot more valuable in 1941 than in the 19th/late 18th centuries.

Most importantly, Comrade Stalin refused to leave Moscow. If he was taken, the Soviets may have not found a leader capable of keeping them together. Separatist movements across the USSR may have gathered strength. It's all speculation, of course.

>>599115718
The weather was cleared up by June, no? It's still a matter of weeks, not months, yes, but that could have been all it took. I think even with the unnusual wet the Germans might have just gone for it anyway.
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Not gotten his ass frozen out in russia
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No way.

/thread
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>>599110912
>not recognizing that America's contribution to the win was less than Russia's

America would've been absolutely shit on if Germany hadn't moved most of their units to the Eastern front, get real
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>>599116158
>Indeed, and the current crisis resembles a third World War fought with contracts and debts

With some very strong parallels between Obama and FDR.
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One simply move would have changed whole war, patience to wait the winter to pass away before invading Russia.

If that would have happened, we would be living happily in a world that would be already ahead of modern world hundreds of years in biology and science and human genetics.
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>>599116759
The Germans would have still held the edge in tactics, leadership, training, morale, (most) equipment, etc. Yes, after 43 the Soviet military was significantly better but they had been fighting a war for two years gaining valuable experience.

They might have just gone for it, but then again the impact of forcing mobile divisions to fight through the mud have been even more of hindrance.
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>>599117626
Germany needed to strike whilst they had military superiority. Giving the Russians winter would have meant allowing them to arm and co-ordinate a defence.
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>>599116329

Germans had plenty weapons in the make, from airplanes to submarines, but hitler was pretty far gone by the end... so far gone in fact that he started blaming the germans for the failure.

The main reason why historians think that germans didn't really care for the nuclear bomb was because they never really fixed the generators in norway for heavy water production. Also a lot of the shipments of said water were abandoned. The reactor that was found by the allies was far from operational, at that time USA was way ahead in terms of nuclear development.
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>>599117626
They fucking attacked in the summer not middle of winter you idiot.
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>>599117626
Have you even been reading the thread?

Hitler had to attack when he did. Even earlier, if possible. To win BEFORE winter. He didn't attack DURING winter. Winter arrived and the Wehrmacht were unprepared for it.

If he waited for 1941 winter, it would have been way too late, unless he co-ordinated an attack with Japan and the Middle Eastern powers i.e. Japan never attacks Pearl Harbour.
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>>599117894
Russians were already so weak after morally defeat against the Finns, they had no proper command in their ranks.
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>>599118130
>>599118228
Sorry my English, i meant that Hitler would have accepted German army to retreat during the winter.
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>>599118484
Should have*
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>>599106210
Not passing up the stg44 like a cunt for one thing
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>>599106210
Probably would've helped to take some control over both the Japs and Italy, since they both fucked up hard. Germany fucked up too, but not as hard.
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