I will only be able to answer show specific questions about programming that myself or colleagues of mine have produced, but am happy to answer generals about authenticity, salary, working conditions, safety, etc.
>>593698901 To avoid incrimination here, I'm going to try and avoid specifics, but I can tell you the spaces I work in: transactional (think storage wars, barter kings, auction hunters), Alaska shows (think Yukon Men, Flying Wild, Alaskan Bush People), some food shows for Gordon Ramsey, and some other randoms formats.
>>593701071 If I cared about PASSION, I would work in a different space. I work in reality because the work and money is steady and provides a comfortable life despite my lack of a university education or a privileged upbringing.
>>593698536 Why haven't you blown up your work place, with you inside? Reality TV is a cancer, that must be purged. How does it feel to know you are literally one of the shittiest human beings in existence?
>>593702144 Big finds 100%. Conflict show specific. Auction Hunters used to have real auctions. Storage Wars has always been 100% fake, down to the "auctions." Producers stuff the lockers, then let the talent rummage through them and react naturally.
>>593702603 Because I am not jewish and connected enough to direct and producer features. I did direct a commercial this year though, and would really love to move into a different space. Reality TV provides a good living for me despite the fact that I do not personally watch the content I produce outside of work.
>>593702882 I didn't post the money thing, and yes there is, but without deep hollywood connections (which I was not born into), it is incredibly hard to get a job at my level in features or commercials, so reality it is for now.
>>593704005 Yes, as the series progresses, things become much more planned. First season of YM is legit though. However, all activities are now planed by producers. First season was still one of the most dangerous shows to work on in reality history.
>>593704005 I didn't work on goldrush, but had meetings for the second season. Turned it down because I didn't want to go back to Alaska. I know when they are getting up there is real, not sure about the content where they are actually mining. I know the characters were initially authentic in their desire, but the gold hunt was partially funded by the network.
>>593704234 So I'm guessing you don't know about Gold Rush then? Also, I've been wondering for a while but how did the whole popularity of Alaska shows and Auction type shows start? There are literally dozens of each type on the air.
>>593704396 I always figured that. I was willing to play along until they showed the two guys hiding in the thinning wooded area watching the cop walk around. All I could think about was there was no way he couldn't see the film crew standing there.
>>593704406 That's part of it, but actually, it's more about cost. If you don't have an episode completely planned, you have to shoot for an exponentially greater amount of time. Even the smallest shows have a crew of around 20 people, and with our tight budgets, it's just not feasible to keep everyone in the field filming indefinitely.
>>593705202 This is literally the worst pitch I ever received. It's from some very cringe bro I went to high scool with who sent me a facebook message: "So the idea is based on bloopers. There is a script for each epi, but we only use about 20% of the material for the story line. The other 80% is the actors running lines for the scene but we only use the bloopers of each scene. It's a show for actors. I'm thinking it's either serious issues like a csi crime drama or maybe a restaurant, Beverly Hills high school, comedy. Not sure which way to go yet, I think having kids would be great or something around the industry. Each season changes all the characters and the situation, but same method. Make sense? What do you think?"
>>593706611 I am not the OP, but I do know that the Pawn Stars guys had a business for a long time before the show. Rick tired to sell his show idea for years before History gave it a shot. I will say that a lot of the reactions from the sellers seem over the top.
>>593707452 To be honest I don't know their background before the show, just their current relationship. The assistant girl was added by the network for sure (we add a girl to almost every transactional show as the people in that world are very homely).
Something my mom noticed: the Call of the Wild Man show (I think that's the name?) about some "legendary" guy who has lived in the wilderness for decades never seems to feature an episode of him braving the winter weather. Thoughts/comments?
There was a guy on storage hunters that worked in the shop. He was german and a DJ on the side. He has a youtube channel and I have never been able to figure out if it is just a character he plays that has gotten him real jobs or if that is really his personality. Do you know the guy I am talking about?
>>593708755 Turtleman is however the most fucking insane hillbilly I've ever met, and that's saying something. He does actually live in a shitty cabin he built himself, with no plumbing or running water, despite making a pretty good salary off TV.
>>593711182 That's actually a fucking rad profession. My dad was a carpenter, and I grew up gophering on jobsites. I sometimes fantasize about getting out of reality, and working with my hands. I built a deck once.
>>593698536 One of my guilty pleasures is Bad Girls Club. I've always been curious about the degree to which shows where they put people in a house and there's all the drama are scripted. And really anything else interesting about those kinda shows. What can you tell me about that?
>>593711764 BGC is not scripted. They just cast the most low life trash they can find, and then manipulate them. Binum Murray is pretty against scripting in general, they are a very old school production company, and one of the best to work for.
Do producers attempt to keep bitchy/dramatic talent in competition shows like Ink Master for a longer part of the competition in order to drive up ratings? I feel like having a character who is always starting shit with people would be a goldmine for a producer.
>>593711608 Do that. If you are a creative sort then use it. Reality TV is the lowest form of TV. Especially when it's some train wreck like Honey Boo Boo.
If you are determined to be a documentarian, then at least document the better aspects of people. Set a -better- fucking example.
Richard Nixon said the American people don't believe anything until it's on TV. Unfortunately they believe -everything- on TV and you are helping to make them believe shit like Real Housewives is something to strive for. With great power comes great responsibility. What you put on the air matters.
>>593712932 Manipulation is generally achieved by forming a trusting relationship with the talent, and then feeding them selective information and questioning them in a way that drives them towards certain responses.
>>593713125 I really can't disagree with you, you seem like a smart person with a reasonable outlook. I can tell you that I do not produce content that I consider to be a detriment to society (housewife shows, honey boo boo, etc.), and the main reason I am in reality is because I did not have such a comfortable upbringing, and I am really grateful to have a profession that I am very good at that compensates me fairly well. At some point in the not too distant future I plan to get out, but right now the money is too good and I'm enjoying having a comfortable lifestyle for the first time in my life.
>>593713675 I've been in reality for 6 years. I started at the very, very bottom. As a post production PA. Was able to teach myself to use editing software (AVID) while working 16 hour days running tape stock, and worked my way into post production from there. Always wanted to direct, so I started moving that direction a couple years in, and now I run shows in the field, direct them, develop them back in LA, etc. I am fortunate enough to be represented by one of the big three creative agencies in the states, and that helps tremendously. Kind of lucked into that part, but the rest was just hard work and a high tolerance for pain.
If anyone here used to watch flying wild alaska, I can tell you that the "boxes of essential medicine" were usually filled with doritos. Literally, bags of chips from our crafty. That show is depressing.
>>593715661 You're correct, I can't watch any reality tv (outside of work, where I watch and give notes on the edits).
I watch a lot of movies, not much TV. As far as current stuff, I like Game of Thrones and The League. My favorite show of all time is Seinfeld. Last good drama I saw was The Shield, my dad gave me a dvd set of it some years ago and I really enjoyed it.
>>593716851 Actually, I do like Treehouse Masters. Good show with lots of information and ideas on design. I can't believe that guys is that perky in real life though. Not running a business like that.
>>593716822 You should do it. I used to be a tour guide out in denali, after dropping out of college, but before moving to LA. Small aircraft are fucking awesome. I want to get a piper cub at some point, fun as hell to fly in, and can land take off just about everywhere. If your space is limited, that'd be a great plane for you. What state you in?
>>593717376 Cool! Yeah, we try to do a lot of info on the show, Most interesting thing I learned about were the dynamic upward arrestors, are you familiar with the concept? The HMW is an interesting material, especially in such an organic build space.
Pete is a fucking great guy, and some of the best talent I've ever worked with. Very genuine, and he is legitimately excited about every project. He does of course have to play things up for camera, but it's all based on who he really is as a person. And yes he gets super stressed sometimes, but mostly because the network puts unrealistic timeframes on the build, and as a result, he and his crew get fucked and have to pull all nighters and have sub contractors working on top of each other.
>>593718674 Physical conditions and work hours. A lot of producers are fucking scum too. I always treat my crew as good as possible, but sometimes you are just shooting in a fucked location, with bugs, and heat, and snakes, and no toilets, and granola bars for your meals, and there's nothing you can do about it.
>>593718608 >And yes he gets super stressed sometimes, but mostly because the network puts unrealistic timeframes on the build, and as a result, he and his crew get fucked and have to pull all nighters and have sub contractors working on top of each other.
Replace "network" with "Customer" and I have been there, done that.
Pic: the view from the sewing room... House was the size of an apartment building...
>>593719441 Yeah. It's a young man's game and I ain't no more.
If you are handy with wood, you should look into Fisher Flying Products. They do all wood kit airplanes including a 2/3 tiger moth. Started of making model airplane kits then went full scale. The Dakota 2 place started as a model...
>>593719899 Well, I'm not Jewish, and I think a lot of the shows I producer have a less negative cultural impact than the majority of reality or traditional scripted content (which you'd know if you read the thread, my faggy friend).
>>593719257 Yes, shark tank winners get their investments.
When people get shafted, it's in the details. Like say you win a restaurant space- you still have to pay taxes on the space, and get a licenses to operate a food service business ($$$), and the space doesn't come with all the kitchen equipment that was featured on the show, etc.
Also if you win a makeover show for home/biz, we will cut every fucking corner possible and the work will be held together with duct tape for camera and then you will have to pay to fix it.
>>593720508 Hey bud, I am in LA, so I cannot give you a job in AZ. My favorite camera operator is a scummy lil desert rat from AZ, and I hire him on every show I can, but he lives in LA. Have to move out here if you want to work in the industry.
Hey, OP. What's the best way to pitch a show so you won't have the idea stolen from you or get screwed out of the project? Literally, what type of people do I call, what paperwork should I have, and how do I get it picked up?
I want to know more about survival shows. It's always seemed absurd to me that camera crews would get dropped in a hostile location with say, Bear Grylls and would have to resort to the same shit as him to survive. How does that work when you take camera crews to hostile environments like that? And to what extent are those survival shows scripted if at all?
Dude! Wrap parties are the best. Open bar, great venues, and it's easy to get laid. Show is over so everyone ends up fucking everyone based on all the sexual tension that built up while living on location and being forbidden from having romantic relationships with co workers.
>>593721534 A couple things- no one gives a shit about your format. It has been pitched a million times. All that matters is the talent. Sign them to an ironclad attachment agreement, and then pitch your show based on them. Someone will still steal your idea, but they will have to pay you for it because they want your talent.
Are normal relationships difficult for you? Whether its the stress of being away on location for filming or just the shallowness of people in LA, or even those that can't look past your job, do you ever have issues in your relationships?
>>593721923 Completely depends on the show. When I'm filming legit stuff like that (which is pretty rare these days), the crew is VERY small, and is comprised of hard asses. I'm a former alaska tour guide and certified rescue medic who is good with fire arms, and on a certain alaska show, my team included one northface sponsored mountaineer as a camera op (guy has summited everest, K2, etc.), and the toughest hillbilly I've ever met as my other camera op.
Some shows let the talent and everyone elese sleep in nice hotels while filming those shows "out in the bush," and I've done those too. Just depends on the show.
>>593723015 Yes, very. All the things you mentioned are accurate- I grew up in the northwest and most of the women in LA are not really my type personality wise, although very attractive. My relationships tend to be short for this reason, as well as the stress of frequently leaving town for months at a time. I was injured pretty bad on my last shoot so I've been in town for a while, and am lucky enough to have met a really great girl who I have a great relationship with. But you never know what's going to happen when you go on the road. It puts a tremendous amount of stress on a relationship, especially when you are working 16 hours a day and have limited cell/internet service due to being in the middle of no where.
>>593725284 Yeah, exactly. We cast based on the archetypes we need for a given program.
Casting process is very similar to traditional acting audition. Usually I will have an AP conduct a phone interview first, then if the person seems interesting I'll have the AP shoot a casting reel of them. If I really like what I see, I'll check them out myself, size them up, feel them out, and run them through some improv exercises.
>>593725982 yup, I'm a 22/m/computer Engineering student out in GA. Out of curiosity is there any engineering involved in making television? I'm assuming your sound techs and engineers are a large part.
>>593726813 Hm. Not engineering in the traditional sense. In the field we have audio sups and sound mixers, but they are not trained engineers. Motion graphics and editing are computer based but not really engineering. The process we call onlining (color correction, blurring, final mixdowns) is very technical, but I also just realized I don't know anything about engineering, so I'm probably not qualified to answer a question this general.
I can answer technical questions about specific areas if you're curious, just not how they pertain to current engineering degrees.
>>593727728 That's fine! I understand it was a general question. Here's an editing one for you. I have a running theory that shows like chopped where there is an element of a time limit will edit shots near the end of the timer, say at 30 seconds, and cut from the timer at 30 seconds to a shot of what a contestant was doing when they had about 60 seconds left to make it seem like they're fucked for time.
It just seems like to happen every time but contestants are still able to magically finish. I'm pretty sure Ink Master and Sweet Genius are guilty of this in a big way too.
>>593728559 Hey! That's actually a totally astute observation. You are correct- we bank shots of the timers at every stage to drop in as needed to make the finish seem more dramatic. However, the cooking process is legit, we just amp it up for tv editorially. Make sense?
>>593729824 Our entire business is built on an editing "trick" we call the frankenbite. Bite is short for soundbite. It's something memorable and pertinent that talent says. A frankenbite is a a bite constructed from various words and sentences actually spoken by the talent but reconstructed in post production to make them say whatever we want.
tl:dr We cherry pick words and edit them together to make the talent say whatever we want.
>>593730816 Man, would be hard to name a specific example, because literally every single show is built on this technique. When you see someone start talking in interview, and then it cuts to broll, but the talking keeps happening, and then it cuts back to the interview footage, YOU'VE BEEN FRANKENBIT.
>>593731057 Hey man, just wanted to say thanks for contributing to the thread. Have a good night! And check out the movies "Whiplash," "Calvary," and "Nightcrawler." My three favorite films of the year.
>>593732588 With regard to the salary, is there a part in the contract that keeps the talent from buying a shit ton of stuff. For example, it wouldn't be the same show if Honey Boo Boo's mom bought them a $600,000 house, or if the guys on Yukon men bought machinery and snow mobiles that DIDN'T break down all the time.
>>593733597 Interesting question. Mostly the talent just doesn't make enough money to change their life. With regards to someone like honey boo boo, who makes a lot of money, they most likely have a real house somewhere outside of where they film. I don't know a lot about that particular show.
>>593734790 Ariel lives in LA and wants to be an actress. She's minorly slutty. Her hot sister is a mega slut in AK and would frequently disappear on benders while we were filming episodes. We'd find her somewhere in her panties covered in vomit, I shit you not. Eskimo girls are pretty fucked.
>>593734300 Well darn, you'd hope they would at least be able to afford a decne snow mobile. Thanks for answering all my questions OP. Now I'm actually heading to bed for real cause I've got Thermodynamics in the morning.
Night all, keep the thread alive. I've re-archived it at https://4archive.org/b/thread/593698536
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