One Eli Manning, apparently, since he beat him in two different Super Bowls in which he was the HEAVY favorite.
Say whatever you want, slob on his knob for the rest of eternity, but 18-1 will always hang over his head, and so will losing to a 9-7 team when he had a chance to redeem himself.
As a side note: as far as pure athletes, Bo Jackson was the greatest athlete of all time. If he hadn't been injured, and injury, by the way, which only happened because he was so fucking athletic his joints couldn't handle it, he would have been a Hall of Famer in two separate sports.
Either the Patriots or Cowboys will be the next NFL dynasty. Seattle will be busted in the mouth in a couple of weeks. It's possible Brady will have 8 Super Bowl appearances before he retires. Also--Belichick is a god. The Patriots are god tier right now. Can you deal with it?
>>593687470 You're a fucking moron that doesn't know jack shit. Marino? One fucking SB appearance coached by one of the greatest. Eli? I don't recall him making a miracle catch to win the SB. 5 head? Lmfao. He's the biggest fucking choker in the NFL. Get a fucking clue skippy.
>>593685600 My god this is why I hate New England fans so fucking much. You are all bandwagoners who rides Brady's dick so hard you can taste it when you sit down.
He's not even the best QB in the league right now! He may have the most championship appearances/wins of this era, but pure QBR is owned by Rodgers and Drew Brees has 4 of the 8 5000 yard passing seasons, as well as the highest completion percentage in a single season. Peyton Manning has the most passing yards in a single season, most passing touchdowns, and is a 14 time probowler, tied for all time of any player and most as a QB.
Let's continue the stats: Peyton, 7 time All-Pro, 5 time MVP, 2 time Offensive Player of the Year. Brees, 9 time Pro-Bowl, 2 time Offensive Player of the Year. Rodgers, who's also only been a starter for 7 years, is a 4 time Pro-Bowler, 2 time All-Pro, has already won 1 MVP award and is probably going to win it this year.
Brady? 2 time MVP, 3 time All-Pro, 2 time Offensive Player of the Year, 10 time Pro-Bowler.
The only reason he's the GOAT in your eyes is because you're a dick riding Patriots bandwagon fan. If anything, Peyton is getting that distinction, and Rodgers and Brees are going to be in the conversation. Not to mention that he still has to stand up against Montana and Elway.
inb4: muh based brady. I just proved you wrong with stats, bitch.
>In 2004, he was awarded Best Dressed in Sweden. In April 2006 he was named one of People's World's 100 Most Beautiful People. In December 2008, he was named one of Page Six Magazine's Top 25 Best Dressed in 2008. >Lundqvist used to play guitar in a Swedish rock band called Box Play >Lundqvist also has a restaurant called Tiny's located in Tribeca. >Lundqvist plays guitar with John McEnroe.
>>593691977 no shit dumbass. Using Any stat to determine greatness is useless. There are too many variables. Peyton Manning played in a dome most of his career. Brady played outside in a cold environment.
>Professional athlete on an original six NHL team. >One of the most consistence goalies in the game. >Speaks multiple languages. >Olympic gold and silver winner. >Perfect hair and handsome. >One of the best dressed men in the world. >Knows how to play musical instruments.
Anyone would kill to be able to do all that he does and look like him. Sure Tom Brady has won a few championships but it's in a sport that only amerifats watch and like and doesn't even have an Olympic spot for the sport.
>>593693824 Naw lol I was exaggerating but he did decide to sleep with his sister in law, later divorced his wife to marry what at one time was his sister in law and make his ex wife his current sister in law (if you can follow that)
>>593694092 apparently you didn't see the AFC championship game last year when the Broncos game plan was to stop the run (i.e. make Tom Brady beat them). He wasn't exactly good. In fact, I recall him being pretty piss poor mate. Everyone knows this
>>593684058 Hey Faggots, My name is John, and I hate every single one of you. All of you are fat, retarded, no-lifes who spend every second of their day looking at stupid ass pictures. You are everything bad in the world. Honestly, have any of you ever gotten any pussy? I mean, I guess it’s fun making fun of people because of your own insecurities, but you all take to a whole new level. This is even worse than jerking off to pictures on facebook. Don’t be a stranger. Just hit me with your best shot. I’m pretty much perfect. I was captain of the football team, and starter on my basketball team. What sports do you play, other than “jack off to naked drawn Japanese people”? I also get straight A’s, and have a banging hot girlfriend (She just blew me; Shit was SO cash). You are all faggots who should just kill yourselves. Thanks for listening. Pic Related: It’s me and my bitch
>>593693033 This guy knows, football has around 11 minutes of play time were the players have to actually be active and not resting...compare that to soccer, its no competition who the better overall athletes are.
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>>593697904 I'm a Broncos fan. Manning is great and all but Rodgers and Luck are far better than Brady or Manning right now. Rodgers has a few more years to make his case and Luck is just getting started.
>>593697299 It's not about abusing your body by getting hit. It's about being a better athlete overall. I'm not saying the practices aren't rough and the game isn't physical. Compare 11 minutes to 90 minutes of actual enduring gameplay though. Boxing is a sport and they get abused but it doesn't help their overall physical athleticism, only their chin. You put a boxer in a football game he wouldn't survive, you put a football player in a soccer match and they wouldn't survive either and vice versa. But at the end of the day a soccer player is in much better shape overall and a much better athlete. You never see a fat soccer player right?? Plenty of fat football players, they're there just cause their in decent shape and they're great for defense.
>>593698267 This is your typical Pats fan. No football knowledge before 1999, regurgitates stats ESPN shoves down their throats, credits team victories (like how 2 of his SBs were won on Vinitieri's foot) to Brady alone, doesn't know who Drew Bledsoe is, spams the ring argument because they cheated to get 3, and can't hold an intelligent conversation for more than 3 responses. That's the biggest fairweather, bandwagon fan base in a nutshell
>>593697299 Soccer players take a huge physical beating from endurance alone. To be able to make it that long is crazy. Stamina and endurance can give you a beating dude. Just cause someone physically runs into you and knocks you down doesn't mean you're a better athlete
>>593698997 yup - that one pats fan ANON who bashed someone saying Marino was better, because of no ring says it all NEWFAG when it comes to NFL he was better than Tom in my opinion it was also a different game back then
>>593700221 Marino as a pure qb CAN be argued better than Brady dipshit. Why isn't he? Because he didn't win a ring? (hurr typical Pats fan). Look up the team Marino had. The talent he was surrounded with thanks to their idiot GM couldn't even win 5 games had it not been for Marino. Pats faggots always make up the bullshit saying "Brady does more with less!" when Marino basically coined that term over his career. Put Marino on the 2000s Pats teams and watch him win 5 rings. He wouldn't have choked to Peyton's retarded little brother when having a HOF Randy Moss catching his passes
>>593698997 Lol no that's so wrong. Cheating didn't win any superbowl. Cheating was overexagerated the fuck out of and lost a 1st round draft pick. But please, if you can find one other QB who made the playoffs every single year he played (obviously not including the season he got hurt in week 1) and who won more playoff games, please, entertain me. Btw, Tom Brady rarely had the weapons Peyton Manning or Joe Montana had. Brady had Randy Moss for a couple season and you saw all the records that were broken in that season.
>>593702009 Oh here it comes. >Cheating was overexagerated the fuck out of and lost a 1st round draft pick If it was over-exaggerated, you wouldn't have lost a 1st round pick and Belichick wouldn't have been fined the largest amount for a head coach in NFL history. I understand that all teams filmed in the same manner before the rule change and that it was kinda hard to understand yet you're telling me the "great, genius Belichick" can't fucking figure out and understand a rule that many other teams did? >"if you can find one other QB who made the playoffs every single year he played (obviously not including the season he got hurt in week 1) and who won more playoff games" Here is this one again. Like I said in my earlier post >>593698997 "credits team victories (like how 2 of his SBs were won on Vinitieri's foot) to Brady alone" And of course, Brady vs Peyton's weapons. Ever occur to you that Manning MADE his weapons? How many receivers that left Manning had maintained their level of success? Not many. Who the fuck were Eric Decker, Demaryius Thomas, Julius, and Emmanuel Sanders before Manning? None had years with over 600 yards yet once Manning came to town, they all were 1000+ receivers in the same fucking season. Sorry Brady can't utilize receivers as well as Manning could but hey at least Belichick as GM gets him the proper defense and run scheme to win games. Terrible arguments that get debunked instantly with an ounce of football knowledge
>>593696984 Fuck. Tired of people who say this shit. It's a different type of athleticism. Sure soccer players have endurance but football players have some of that too. The thing is, football players are stronger, and depending on the position they play, faster. Don't argue with me either because just because soccer players run more doesnt mean they can sprint faster than an NFL runningback.
>>593704252 Emmanuel Sanders worked with Big Ben, easily a top 6 qb in the league for years now. And Tebow yes, but Orton? Look at how he turned the Bills around after EJ completely fucked his way out of his job.
>>593704852 Would love to watch a soccer player try to chase down a good NFL runningback, even in full pads. He would get fucking burned. Without a helmet people would be dying, so what you just said is fucking retarded. I'm assuming you don't watch football, the way tackles are made absolutely necessitates padding. Don't try to compare it to rugby either the tackling is different.
>>593707747 Right who leaves his pregnant gf for Gisele, follows refs off the field screaming profanities over a call, often is too butthurt to shake other team's hands, and advertises uggs. What a guy
>>593708283 someones jelly of being able to ditch a prego baish or a super model. >>593709371 my feelings for tom brady are non-sexual with the occasional admiring thought about his cock which is probably as fantastic as his ability to throw a football >no homo
>>593689847 if it isn't cheating then why were they fined half a mil and more importantly stripped ofa first round draft pick? nfl just does that for no reason? lel and belicik is such a whiny bitch of a coach, when he loses big games he doesn't even go to the fucking press conference. when he lost the super bowl to the giants and eli manning he left the field well before the clock was even out cause he is a bitch and a sore lose, that is why he felt he had to cheat to win back when they were dumb enough to get caught by the nfl.
>>593689426 Picking the greatest QB ever is a bullshit task, and I don't give a fuck about your stats. The game has changed so much that there's simply no way QBs of yesteryear could have accumulated as many yards and TDs. In fact it's only been since the Brady era that offenses have been doing the 40+ passing touchdowns a year thing.
That being said, this whole thread is shit. I'm a 49er fan, so of course I'm biased to putting Joe Montana and Steve Young in the top, but what about Bart Starr, Johnny Unitas? How do you even work them into the discussion? None of you fags know anything about history and should just categorically shut the fuck up.
And, as a 49er fan... Troy Aikman was the best. He always scared the shit out of me with what he could do with dem Cowboys.
>>593715515 Implying comparing stats is the only way to compare qbs... for fucks sake, leave it to the 4whiner fan to cry about not knowing shit about history. You lost to the 3-13 raiders and you're riding on Kaepernick, the most overrated mobile qb
>>593703940 I'm not arguing. The Patriots were a pathetic lost franchise before this QB who was supposed to be NOTHING took less then a full season to win his first suoerbowl with a coach who has been fired by none other then the pathetic Browns. Stop acting like the Patriots had it fucking all. And I'm sorry but if you have Brady Emmanuel Sanders he would be a great player too, better then he was this year. Wes Welker was nothing before Brady and he has pretty much been nothing since he left too even with Manning. I'm not making "Patriots fans arguments" so cut the fucking shit and stop trying to criticize my NFL intelligence and act like I don't know anything about that's class A faggotry clearly I'm a fan of the entire sport not just my fucking team - AKA I know what I'm fucking saying.
>>593715515 >>593716389 The secret to that incredible offense? The offensive line. One of the best in NFL history. Could open up holes for Emmitt Smith large enough for semi trucks to drive through. Protected Aikman enough for Aikman to snap the ball, trip, fumble, get back up, dust off the ball, spit shine it with his towel, and throw it to Irvin.
>>593714197 Oh and don't act like you'd fucking stand there with a huge grin on your God damn face and be so excited to answer questions from the asshole press either. It's called being competitive, get a grip, I'd you aren't competitive you shouldn't be involved with the game.
>>593716074 Are you fucking retarded? That's exactly what I fucking argued... that you CAN'T just compare on stats. Wow you officially get my vote for the biggest retard I've ever encountered on /b/.
And when did I defend Kaepernick? I preferred Alex Smith. Had he been put back in after that concussion, the 49ers would have won in the Superbowl. If Alex Smith were there last year, he wouldn't have been batted down by fucking Richard Shercunt. And the Niners would have cleaned house on the Broncos.
Remember that time we found out the Pats routinely cheat to make for having a mediocre 7th round pic as QB but the NFL turned a blind eye because the Patriots winning the Super Bowl after 9/11 seemed right?
>>593717024 Yea I'll agree with that. But I can't then speak counterfactually about Aikman, i.e. assess how good he would have been without that O-line. So based on the team he played for, he was the QB I was most convinced would fuck up another team. I was at the 1994 championship game when the Niners beat that Cowboys team. Even going up 21 points after Davis' interception I still assumed Aikman could bring back the Cowboys.
>>593716817 >Stop acting like the Patriots had it fucking all I'm not. I even acknowledge that they sucked dick before Brady. Pats fans are the ones with no knowledge before 1999 >>593698997 Welker is a slot receiver. Do you know what that basically means? He's a security blanket and the fact that Brady's forte is short to medium passes, it's no wonder Brady apologists use the "Peyton had better weapons" argument when comparing Peyton's all field control history and Brady's slowly but surely style. Welker has been nothing with Manning? Sure he had a bad year because he was suspended and had a concussion in the preseason but last year? 778 yards and his single season TD best as the 4th receiver on the team is great. If you want to prove you have football intelligence, then fucking prove it by bringing up some actual football intelligent instead of crying that you do.
>>593717217 Fucking dipshit. If you read the entire comment without prematurely whining like everyone would expect you to do, you'd understand that my point was that there are other ways to rank qbs by taking their stats into context. Stupid fuck already whining. Cleaned house on the Broncos? You faggots couldn't even keep it competitive against them this year.
>>593718311 he scored the most touchdowns in only 13 games with the broncos. Sure he had less catches and yards - Broncos were putting up the most explosive offensive season in NFL history. Only so many balls to go around
Also the Pats threw more balls to them based on system so he was never gonna have more catches on the Broncos. Those quick outs that Brady threw to Wes were not part of the Broncos offense
So he was more efficient on Broncos and scored the most TD in a season there while playing only 13 games.. but ya i guess you can argue it wasn't his best year based on yards
Catch numbers mean nothing to me unless you are playing PPR fantasy football lol
>>593717194 So much for sportsmanship. So much for being a respectable adult who can control their emotions and give credit to an opponent that played better than them and got the win. It's embarrassing
>>593718770 Again you prove how retarded you are... they couldn't do shit this year because Roman's full faggotry came out in the open and Kaepernick is shit at execution. And don't say the niners are >you faggots I'm not a member of the 49er franchise. I'm a guy who grew up in the bay loving football, and I support the 49ers by watching them and cheering for them to win at all. You're the ultimate faggot for thinking delusionally he's part of the team. Kindly fuck off you illiterate homo cunt faggot.
>>593686859 >>593686859 >>593686859 Roger Federer is the best athlete in this discussion. Greatest tennis player to ever live and he's still fucking slamming aces on guys like Djokovic. He's also a Class act a real stand up guy with two beautiful twin daughters and a tennis playing wife. You rarely see Roger lose his cool on the courts, and when he does you can sympathize with his frustration, it's like you're fighting the battle with him. You cheer him on and clap for him when he hits incredible winners.
>>593718332 LMFAO "Brady short passer" ummm Brady has one true successful deep reciever and he kinda had an MVP undefeated regular season with him. Give him Dez Bryant and see what happens (oh wait that shit will never happen). Btw, I'm fucking 20, so I'm sorry I can't tell you shit that happened before I was born, but I still know a more than basic history of my hometown team. I started playing football when I was 7 too so please don't try to say that I grew up and started watching my football team when it became convient too because I wouldn't have given a fuck if I lived in Jacksonville I would still be rooting for the Jaguars.
The end point is in 2 weeks time no quarterback will be more successful then Tom Brady and nothing you haters can say will disprove that. Let Peyton have his regular season success no one gives a shit. And then there are quarterbacks like Flacco who turn into some great player in the playoffs but suck dick in the regular season. It doesn't matter! Tom Brady was the best player from the day he started to the day he retires, no player was as great for as many games as Brady has and will end up being, because he's just been that good in the regular season AND the playoffs, which is the only fucking thing that matters when it comes down to it.
>>593719999 >I started playing football when I was 7 Oh shit there it is. All the credibility I need > 2 weeks time no quarterback will be more successful then Tom Brady Joe Montana and Terry Bradshaw would like to have a word with that but of course, you don't know who they are or have seen them play.
>Btw, I'm fucking 20, so I'm sorry I can't tell you shit that happened before I was born, Like I said, football didn't exist before 2000 when Brady started for Pats fans.
>>593720092 You must enjoy having an IQ of 73. Does your mom give you popsicles whenever you cry?
There's nothing to "stay on point" about. You are literally retarded. I said you can't measure a QB based on stats because there is no consistent way of comparing QBs from today with as far back as Superbowl I. And yet you continue to pontificate your rubbish.
>>593719346 Haha so those slightly average tight ends or full backs that catch 5-7 cheap wide open touchdowns a year are more successful to you! Don't know how you expect to get many touchdowns if you can't get to the red zone and that's what Welker allowed New England to do for all those years. I should know I watched all the games start to finish.
>>593720912 Sorry your faggot ass can't even begin to determine and take stats into context. I guess it would be hard for 4whiner fans to grasp an actual football related concept. Nice new stadium btw, great job getting completely blown out the first game there
>>593720912 With your logic, you can't even accurately compare different qb styles from mobile to game managers because they aren't under the same consistent circumstances of game planning. That's how retarded you are. You're simply giving into the fact that you have to do a little bit of thinking and take some liberties with different players.
>>593721304 >bringing in statistics generated by a bunch of brain-injured neo-faggots True statistics studies many-body systems and has implications for interpretations of quantum theory. Don't quote me your faggot statistics because they aren't consistent from year to year. You don't have a valid control.
You. Are. A. Fucking. Retard.
You are literally the dumbest fucker I've ever spoken to on this site.
>>593720628 I believe Championships are more important to fans and franchises. it's the ultimate goal. But they are team accomplishments in the ULTIMATE team sport.
I think Marino was better than Brady and he has no rings. I think Manning is the probably the greatest of all time but could easily be okay with Montana. I wouldn't be upset if some people claim Unitas is as people I really respect believe he's in the conversation.
Championship trophies in a sport that has no 7 game series playoffs (it can't obviously due to the physicality of the game) like NBA and NHL, doesn't even guarantee the best teams winning, let alone the best QBs.
So yes, championship trophies don't mean much to me when trying to organize the order of BEST QB in the ultimate team game.
I look at a player's entire career.
Brady wasn't even the best player on the Pats roster when winning his 3 superbowls. But i do give him credit in developing every year and becoming one. He has won no rings as an elite QB. Those early years he was merely very good. Not ELITE. Again, my opinion. I'm sure PATS fans will disagree
Either way he'll still go down as one of the best. No problem with saying that. He's a legit hall of famer, for sure.
>>593721993 >bringing in statistics generated by a bunch of brain-injured neo-faggots what statistics have I brought? Fucking retard. Typical 49er bitch. This faggot isn't even worth my time. What's a 49er bitch even doing in a football discussion and not living in the past like every other Raider fan?
>>593720655 Oh yeah and I don't know who Emmit Smith is either too I suppose. Lmfao classic moron who thinks just because of my age that I'm less intelligent. LOL include Bradshaw just because he has 4 rings?? He barely was a good QB Brady blows his number away. At least Joe Montana has an argument, but there is no way an unbiased logical human being could make any case that Montana has any better of a career than TB12. If Brady wins his 4th it will have been in a huge timespan. For a QB to be good enough to compete and win a Super Bowl for a period for a 14 years in his career is incredible. Dumbfuck.
>>593722856 No, my logic can compare Tebow to Brady because they played in overlapping years. I can compare them on the style of their victory. Tebow winning on big plays and big runs doesn't compare to Brady's clutch drives and generally consistent game management. From there, and only from there, you can augment the argument with some of your statistics like Tebow had a fuck more interceptions, many more incomplete passes, and correspondingly lower QB rating.
Again. You're a retard who doesn't understand mathematics and cause and effect for that matter.
Please die in a fire to remove your filth genetics from the gene pool.
>>593722709 >Oh yeah and I don't know who Emmit Smith is either too I suppose. Am I supposed to be impressed that you know one of the greatest backs in NFL history? Congrats if your standards are that fucking low. > include Bradshaw just because he has 4 rings?? He barely was a good QB Brady blows his number away. Terry was brought up because you actually said something as retarded as "in 2 weeks time no quarterback will be more successful then Tom Brady" implying after Brady wins his 4th super bowl, he'd be the most successful. If that one ring is the only factor that puts him above the rest, why shouldn't Bradshaw be considered to be great within your retarded logic. Fucking pats fans. Why am I not surprised this faggot is only 20 and actually used the "I played football since I was 7" argument like that fucking meant shit?
>>593723422 >>593721803 >With your logic, you can't even accurately compare different qb styles from mobile to game managers because they aren't under the same consistent circumstances of game planning. >>593722644 >EXACTLY. That's why you're so retarded. You can't accurately compare them using statistics because there is no control Oh so now you can compare qbs with different styles when not even 10 minutes ago you agreed that you can't. And what math? You're literally saying you CAN'T math because of different eras and circumstance.
The control mentioned here is a consistent means of comparing numbers from year to year, which doesn't exist because the game changes, as in league wide, over decades. The game style is just too different across those domains.
Within a local time span, you can clearly compare different styles because they're playing in the same league at a fixed instant in time. They are encountering similar opponents so you can assess relative to their victories against those opponents how good they are.
Learn what the scientific method is... learn what a control for an experiment is... learn that the basis of statistics is experiment and repeated runs of those experiments to generate frequencies.
You are a retard. You're making me not enjoy the word I've had to use it so much on you tonight.
>>593724697 LOL oh yeah I forgot we are America, we give trophies to fucking 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th place because everyone is a winner in our book!!! lol no the only thing real elite leaders are based on is how many times they won a championship.
>>593693033 >posting this on an amrican-dominated website Either masterbait or lurk moar. I agree with you full on, but there is no point of arguing. Americans are always right, wether they are right or wrong.
How idiot Pats fans can credit Brady, a player who doesn't even play half the game on defense, for the wins his team won together is fucking retarded. Even Gisele knows better "my husband can't throw and catch the ball too" Just disrespectful as fuck to the rest of his teammates too. What? They didn't work their asses off either?
>>593724123 >>593725070 Further, I already said you can only augment your argument of the relative strength of a QB using stats, as in comparing Brady to Rodgers, but you cannot use it as the starting point for the argument if there is no control involved.
>>593722006 For the most part we are in agreement. But when you consider that the guy has gone to the SB and won as much as he has, and not always with the greatest weapons (not always), you HAVE to consider that he MIGHT be the best ever. Like you said, it's the ultimate team sport. So why are the Brady era Patriots always in the equation? What's the common denominator? Is it the hoodie, or is it Brady?
And for what it's worth, I thought Marino was the best PASSER ever.
Holy shit, I dont think hes the best ever but you are a fucking retard using made up unreliable stats from ESPN. Peyton is the best REGULAR SEASON QB ever and Marino would dog shit on his records with todays rules/offensive personnel and strategy
>>593724710 You just don't fucking get it. 4 Super Bowl wins isn't just it. It's all the categories he is leading or top 3 in. It's being good enough to compete and win super bowls for a timespan covering 14 fucking years. It's the MVPS and awards and all the other shit but it all matters. Try to understand it.
Btw keep on your funstreak because I actually don't suck Tom Brady's dick, because I'm not a Tom Brady fan, I'm a Patriots fan pointing out the truth. Out of all the shirts and jerseys and sweatshirts I own not one is a Tom Brady one. So suck a dick and have fun watching us win another Super Bowl. G'night faggots.
>>593726144 Again, you have not even put forth a single digit. All you've said is "Hurr can't compare different eras" and "hurr Brady better than Tebow because intangibles, intangibles, intangibles" get lost faggot. Not worth my time
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