/b/ I need help. This escort came over for what I thought was

I never touched her. All I did was ask.

>>592140782
yes you are, tell her you are contacting the police about blackmail and intimidation/threats, tell her not to contact you as your lawyer will contact her

>>592140782
Yes

>>592140782
better call your attorney right now and see what the best action is

how old are you btw

Did they ask for money?

also post her # and pics, let /b/ take its course

If there's no evidence that's pointed against you and you're sure about that, then yes, you're being fucked with...they won't do shit

She's bluffing. No escort ever goes to the cops. You could gave raped her and got away with it probably. Just ignore her or let /b/ have at it

>>592140782
what did you ask her to do specifically?

I wouldn't pay for my own lawyer until the cops show up at my door. Tell the whore to do her worst, chances are it's nothing more than a bullshit bluff.

If she does this on the reg, the cops are going to have record of it, which puts her credibility out the window. But really, she doesn't get money from doing this anyway, so what would be the point?

anybody call the number yet to warn them what this fucker is trying to pull?

IOW, nypa, faggot.

>>592140782
Call her pimp!!

Is prostitution illegal in your country? If so they won't do anything legal.

Tell them you are a customer first and this is a matter of business, if they value business with their clientele they will leave you alone. Counter blackmail them, then call the police.

>>592140782
keep her msging you and save the full conversation

ie; "So what exactly did I do that made you so upset to file a false police charge against me? Can't we just talk about it?"

Unless she has pictures or other forms of proof, there is nothing she has for her case. Hearsay is worthless in court. Unless shit gets serious, leave your attorney out of it,

>>592142110
this conversation will be your saving grace in court. Be sure to call your phone company ASAP and ask them for their own records. They'll probably charge you $25 for it.

>>592141748
What if to in one if those god teir countries where prostitution is legal... Like Canada. Besides, she isn't really a prostitute because she didn't have sex and shit

>>592140782
>get her to admit that she is filing false charges
>send screenshot to lawyer/cops
>profit????!!!

>>592141286
best course of action OP

>>592140782

Where's her dox dumbass OP

>>592142304
Keep a record of everything she says, make it clear in the messages you didn't do anything. This shit will matter if it DOES end up going to trial, but it wont. If she did go to the police then you would have received a visit within the first 30 minutes if she gave them an address. I would contact the local police office and see what you have going for you. At the end of the day you didn't do anything, calmly let her know that filling a false police report is a crime, and you WILL pursue this is she does. If it goes to court, counter sue for an outrageous sum for slander and libel, and anything else you can think of, it will force a long drawn out battle and hopefully it will be dropped.

But I doubt it. She's just trying to scare you. What does she want anyways?

How's Colorado tonight OP?

>>592141756
Sex. But I asked in person. Not over text or phone.

>>592143185
she is trying to scare him into paying hush money so she'll go away. it's a scam.

>>592144452
If you're in Canada you have nothing to worry about. Propositions are only illegal if they're outside your car or property. There is literally nothing she has against you here you you asked her in your home.

I think the first thing we should do is have /b/ 's attorneys contact her and her lawyer. 17209756244. Let's school them in Internet law.

Imply you've spoken with your attorney and you're not to speak with her further.

>>592145078

Yeah, it's a scam. She wants to blackmail you into getting money.

Call the Popo and figure out your options.

>>592145008
>>592145078
Two loads of bullshit

>believing

>>592145571
Trust me on this, you want to strike first here. If she did you want to make sure they know everything that's going on by filing a report BEFORE she does.

>>592145078
it's a fucking scam and she's probably pulled this shit before bro. Fucking scum piece of shit. it's so fucking rehearsed

>>592145078
OP, you're not very good at writing dialog.

>>592145328
are you a lawyer?

>>592146086
It would be badass as shit if a lawyer came in here and fucked offed this bitch's bullshit

>>592145078
its a scam. tell her to cut the bullshit you aren't stupid and threaten to take HER to court

>>592140782
>tfw you're so ugly that a whore decides she'd rather risk jail in an extortion plot than just suck you off

that's a bad day.

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Anyone want to play Neopets with me?

>>592145078
Threaten her that you will kill her family in front of her, slowly and torture her to death.

>>592145078
whats the whores name and location ill call and pretend to be your lawyer

>>592145953
>>592145940
nobody who was really feeling victimized would reach out and threaten their attacker like this.
they'd just back off and follow the advice of their lawyer to avoid any contact until the trial.
this is purely a scam to extort money.

Just ask her? How much do I have to pay your lawyer to make this go away? Suddenly you'll get your deal and prove its a scam.

>>592146347
Call her and say you are one...
B is full of faggits nowadays

Already text bombing

OP post more.

>>592146420
Only /b/ could fuck up buying sex this bad.

>>592140782
Scam. Block the number, enjoy life. Nothing will happen.

>>592145078

Just fucking bluff her back.

Tell her to come at you. You had a hidden camera in the room recording, and you'll have her charged with extortion. But, tell her not to worry. She won't do more than 3 years.

>>592142205
>Hearsay is worthless in court.

Oh man I love threads like these where people weigh in with their two cents based on what they saw on an rerun of Night Court.

OP you're an idiot. You ALWAYS want to make sure you are getting what you want when you fuck around with escorts. Be VERY clear with them. You can't just expect them to have sex with you.

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Tell her that you'll pay her $10,000 in cash if she drops the case. When she comes to retrieve the money, beat the shit out of her.

Post more OP you faggot.

>>592145078
Legal Counceller here.

There's no physical marks on her. If she is still out the front of your house get some sort of recording photo or anything like that to prove she was in perfect condition before she leaves.

Have your attorney ready for any legal action incase he needs to contact you or you contact him. (Preparation)
Check the website / place you called to arrange the meeting.

If anywhere it states or implies that it is an escort service screen shot this. This is also evidence.

After which call the police they will come down for an official statement. Make sure you take photos of your hands as well as record the meeting of them coming.

It will have your voice at the time theres. You'r language and body language and all bases covered.

After which counter sue for defatmation of character (if goes public) and for compensation for any grief this has caused you.

>>592145008
Strive to be less of a complete pussy when you talk to the whore that's blackmailing you. Whores can smell weakness, which is why you're getting blackmailed in the first place. Weak faggot.

>>592147071
this but report the extortion to the FBI and let them haul her ass off.

No such thing as unlawful incarceration in Colorado..tell the person to fuck off.

>>592147221
>Legal Counceller here.

seems legit.

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>>592147071

This!! We have a fucking winner

>>592145078

>pay my attorney's fees
T
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P
K
E
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>>592147221
How about the grief this thread is causing me? Can I get anything for that?

>>592140782
Firstly nothing is going to happen, she is trying to scam money of you. Secondly, if anything does happen, say that you asked for her to come over, she came and was obviously drunk so you asked her to leave and she became irate

>>592147327
Nothing can be considered legit over the internet.

Only advice can be taken into account.

Only trying to help anon out here.

FK BITCHES

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>being this much of a sperg

>>592147221
>legal councellor

Honestly bro even if this was fake this is solid advice. Everything he has said is reasonable and i'd take his advice

>>592140782

oh man that story is terrible, ignore her messages, and keep calm, if you did nothing, you wont have troubles

>>592147221
Not op but this is good advice, take it op

>>592145078
lol top kek
what a stupid bitch
ignore her and continue your life anon

>>592146919
As a guy who's taken law courses, this is true. Hearsay has little to no weight outside a civil court without evidence to back it up. Lots of courts are starting to dismiss witness testimony because it's unreliable as well.

Does she have evidence? Fuck no. She went to the police? She should have a rape kit, the assault would be fully documented, a lengthy statement, you're looking at a minimum of 2 hours of tests here OP. And when used as evidence non of them would successfully document any of it, except the statement, which would carry next to no weight.

tldr; if she contacted you within two hours she did fuck all, it would take that long just to do the rape tests and document all the evidence, let alone contact her attorney and start filing charges.

Don't be a dumbass. She wouldn't need or have an attorney to file charges with the police. If she did go to the police, they would require some sort of proof more than just your word against hers and she's a fucking craigslist whore, so.... Just ignore the stupid bitch.

MOAR OC

I wanna see this bitch rage when you tell her she's full of shit

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>>592146929
Thats kinda the point

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You are innocent and she is guilty. Keep cool, losing your temper could be the difference between prison and no charge. With luck true justice will prevail

I'm a lawyer. First, I googled the number and saw the ad you replied to and can't believe you couldn't see that the pics were fake, etc but anyway... Block the number, call the front desk and tell them you need a room change ASAP just in case she or more likely her pimp shows up. The ad implies you are dealing with Russians. Don't continue to text or communicate in any way. If you ever feel in danger in any way, call cops immediately.

http://denver.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/profoundly-amazingly-gorgeous-blonde-russian-outcal-only-no-agency-yeah-baby-fun/16994342

I found her ad by googling the number, seems very suss.

Sounds like a cunt

>>592148063
All it takes for the call to be made her to leave without anymarks,


Her pimp to be around the corner, him to slap her around for not getting money

Him calling his attorney saying she was beatnte to death by the guy out front of this house (time and everything would fit perfect)


LAWWWWWW SUIT due to BLACKMAIL TYVM

The law is easy to get around you just need to know how to do it..

And money motivates anyone.

>>592148063

Hearsay may not be worth much in a trial. That wasn't the point. The point is that the person I was responding has little to no idea what the actual definition of hearsay is.

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Her. She lives in Denver I think.

>>592140782
Just block her from ur phone. Problem solved. Lol

>>592140782
ok, this is full of holes. The police don't take complaints via your attorney. You don't even contact an attorney to file a criminal charge, you go to the police station in person and tell them what happened. So this is already bullshit.

Either she's making the attorney up (and the charges), or her friend is going to contact you and pretend he's an attorney. Real attorneys don't do that, the police do. So if he says he's an attorney and he's not, that's illegal, and it'll make sure if he's in any branch of the legal system he can never, ever become a real attorney. Life ruining for him.

Police don't call you if they're going to arrest you, they just come do it, so if you get a call from the police, it's either not the police (impersonation is a felony), or they have nothing and hope you'll accidentally admit you did something illegal. Refuse to talk to them on the phone. If they actually detain you to question you in person, don't answer questions without an attorney.

This sounds like a scam, though. Don't admit to doing anything, or even meeting her, on the phone. Honestly don't reply to her or talk to her at all. She has nothing, or she wouldn't bother texting you. Every time you respond, you give her stuff. End the conversation.

You don't talk to her, her attorney, or her "police". You only talk directly to police in the presence of your attorney. But more than likely, you stop talking to her and this goes away.

OP stopped replying.

Probably too busy getting his ass stomped in by angry Boris Russian pimp.

>>592140782
If you didn't fuck her they can't prove rape. If you didn't pay her for sex they can't charge you for silis. Anything they try to present in a court will be heresay, from a callgirl; any attorney worth his salt will have to problem with your case.

>>592148594
this op

Even if this isn't a PA request by OP, surely she would enjoy some fun text messages.

>>592148785
She looks like a scheming bitch

>>592148887
Yep, when the cop threat didn't work, Boris showed up to collect that attorney fee.

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>>592141286

>>592148063
Go get a rape kit ASAP yourself. They'll be able to tell you haven't used that thing in years on the spot. She could've easily left and got fucked roughly by some hung Russian and now she's going to pin it on you cause you're playing into it by responding.

>>592146467
<3

>>592140782

There's now way it'll work. She's blackmailing, ignore ALL their messages.

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>>592149046
>>592149046
The girl in the pictures is the one who showed up. The pics weren't fake. I just want to cut my losses and move on.

Her ad
http://denver.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/profoundly-amazingly-gorgeous-blonde-russian-outcal-only-no-agency-yeah-baby-fun/16994342

Reason the number doesn't show those pics is because she uses parenthesis' and periods instead of hyphens.

>>592140782

psh.

don't give em a fucking cent.

don't contact police either.

just keep all the messages and everything in case you need evidence, but probably this will go away.


they just hope they scare people enough to get them to hand over cash. so don't hand over anything.

and you don't need an attorney either imo.

just tell them if they take you to court for blah blah you will show that they are blackmailing you which is a felony.

if they were filing charges THEY WOULD NOT TELL YOU.

thats how it works in reality.

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Pic related - it's OP's computer.
No stress though, he'll pay the fine and be safely browsing /B/ once more.

>>592140782
Also, she can't file charges for solicitation, the state files those. And unlawful incarceration is a charge you file against the state, not one person to the other. Unless you're a cop and arrested her unlawfully, that's just fucking made up by an idiot.

Was she got though?

>>592148785
Just give her number out here get a few crazy people to call her and maybe make some rape threats

Who knew Russian whores off craigslist could be so devious?

OP abandoned thread...likely getting the piss beat out of him by some cheap cigarette smoking commie.

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>>592149462
>no black men

>>592140782
its a bluff tell that bitch to turn the other cheeki breeki

>>592149462
>I just want to cut my losses and move on.

They already have you on the hook. They know that you are both stupid and a pussy. You're fucked. Just clear out your bank account and hand over the cash and hope for the best, and if that doesn't work, just kill yourself.

>>592149814
I kekked at that.
If Jamal or Tyrone is browsing this thread, send her some dick pics of your 9" black rods.

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>>592149763
Still here dude.

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He had all chances and preparation here

If he is getting beaten up it's because he either let the guy in to beat him or the guy broke down the door


EITHER WAY OP WINS LAW SUITS. Thread dismissed

>>592148881
>>592149566

bingo

next time don't use your temper and look like an asshole OP

>>592149973
OP are you going to take >>592147221's
advice

>>592149973
Then show some more texts fucker

>>592141043
If you didn't do anything, you should be fine.

Just reply "You're a scammer, any further attempt at communication will be forwarded to my lawyer" then STOP REPLYING TO HER

>>592149986
is ghost kill?

>>592149462
Dude... this is just too weird for words, too close to home, too IRL 4chan should ever be for me
I'm out

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>>592149973
If you don't call the cops right now and tell them someone is threatening to bash you for money outside your house then you're fake.
cbf with this shit anymore dota time

>>592140782
Here's what you do OP

>Do some combat grinding quests, don't just grind by killing radroaches, plenty of quests pay AND give bonus XP
>Level up a few times, put all points into barter and speech
>Get the Lady Killer perk
>Since she's an escort, you'll probably get the extra dialog option with Lady Killer
>If not your barter will help you bribe
>Assuming one of those options manages to work, you can probably get her to back off the allegations

Now this is kinda dependent on you having halfway decent Luck and Charisma stats, but I hope this helps. Stay strong gentle faggot.

>>592150426
The no black men part?
That's just because she's scared they'll kill and rape her instead of crying online like OP is doing.

>>592150426
lol nigger gettin spooked. plz leave underage b&

OP please don't be a fucking bitch, don't play a cent

i had something similar happen to me not that long ago. the feeling is nothing but dread!!! but it seems like everything for you will be fine for you, she's just another psycho bitch it seems like..

>>592150513
Explaining to the cops how you're scared Boris is about to come shake you down because you tried to pick up a Russian whore on craigslist should be a last resort, not a first one.

>>592148881
this guy is actually intelligent, and you should follow his advice.
>but what is he doing on 4chan?

>>592148705
+1 Internet's for being smarter than the average btard.

>>592150597
autism detected

>>592150783
It's a common fact that law enforcement etc browses /b/.

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>>592150597
>decent charisma
>hiring an escort

I don't think so wastelander

>>592150513

>contacting cops

>good idea


thats some top shelf lulz right there

>>592148881
Take the advice op, sounds like a scam, ignore her

>>592145078

Dude...what the fuck. You are getting yanked around. Ask this dumb bitch how much her "lawyer fees" are. Once she gives you a monetary offer to pay her fake as fuck attorney you are done.

Tell her stupid whore ass you now have her blackmailing you. Tell her you are calling the cops for blackmail, scams, harassment, fraud, whatever she will back off.

Shouldn't have given her any attention anyway.

>>592150781
You don't say it's for that just say he's trying to bash you out front of your house for money. When someone is threatened in their home things get taken quite alot more seriously...

If they comment he tried to pick up a russian broad they will lose more then he will. Believe me Fraud is one of the worst civil crimes if not the worst

>>592150781

ninja'd

>>592151052

>>592148881
Bingo.

Op, this and what the legal Councillor said are excellent pieces of advice.

>>592140782
Thats fake man, hes fucking with you

>>592150597
/thread/

>>592150993
Hey man, even with a low Charisma stat he could at least get her to back off with a high speech skill. If not I guess he could try getting Intimidating Presence and making her back off that way.

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>>592140782
>escort
>doesn't do sex
I'm confused, what is she supposed to be doing?

Let's all call the # and ask for Tyrone

>>592149973
Cool. Bro, just ignore the bitch. If you are in a hotel..change rooms. Preferably one far away from your current room. Would be better if you could get one with a view of the old room.

Keep your eyes peeled. As soon as you can leave, gtfo. Don't even worry about the bogus claims she's making, your only real worry is once she realizes you aren't paying the extortion her pimp bf and his thugs might come to pay a visit.

I'm no lawyer. But I've been a a patrol officer in California for many years. I won't pretend to know the laws in Colorado, but if this shit happened in my city, I wouldn't take your report, only because no money has been lost. In California most agencies don't have time to investigate what essentially an attempted theft by false pretenses. You could push for an extortion case, but a patrol officer is likely just trying to clear your call to either get to the next one, or to go park someplace quiet and out of the way.

Now if she were to come to me and report what she had, at most I would take an incident report..there's not much effort put into a whore who is looking to rip off a john.


That said, she will not contact the police. This is no more than a slightly more elaborate phishing scam.

Good luck /b/ro

CALL HER FUCKING BLUFF OP

SHE IS TRYING TO SCAM YOU

>>592151928
I like you

>>592151928
It may be a scam But this is where grief comes into play..
Do what the legal counceller said. Keep it going to more they say things the more you can sue for

Each angry text or threatening text just look at

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

>>592147221
Bravo chap. Strong work.

>>592152405
Nah dude..why bother? You want to sue a whore? You really think she's going to show up to civil court? Good luck with that.

These girls go on circuits through several states, by the time his court case got a date, she would be pulling the same scam in Washington.

My advice, like I told him..change rooms, and gtfo asap. No need to possibly make her pimp mad enough to do something stupid.

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And now we begin

>>592153181
Haha

I'm pretty sure if she made a call and said some guy raped her, the cops would immediately come to your house. They would make her dona rape kit test, and sure, you may be in cuffs for a bit but its not going to land you in jail. Just keep all messages and pictures for evidence

>>592150426
nigger detected

catpcha: demit

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Why are people saying "your attorney" like this is something the average anon has in his back pocket?

>>592153181
Why has nobody done this sooner?

>>592153181
LOL

it.... begins???

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>>592153181
I like your style

It's a scam bro.

She never even got back to you with "her attorney's" name. Tell her to have her attorney send you a bill for his time

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>>592153181

>>592140782

Hahaha, you're a fucking moron.

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>>592153333
THOSE QUADS

>>592153333
Quads, its legit op

You got a hooker on craigslist... OF COURSE ITS A FUCKIN SCAM

Her "lawyer" is her nigger pimp with only a HS education, if that.

They are full of shit.

Jerk off and go to sleep.

>>592153181
call her in a remote place and stab her to death

>>592153995

/thread

>>592153181

IT BEGINS

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>>592153181
Yeah fuck why not
I'll get in on that

>>592153181
Maybe she won't pull the same crap on you

>>592153951
>Doesn't follow the thread
>comments

mfw
mfwnf

Make her aware that 4chan has her phone number.

>>592154131
+1 internets to you.
I've signed her up for an sms delivered bible study

>>592140782
Yeah bro she's pressing fake charges against you and updating you with proof on those charges through text message
Damn uuuuuuuu dumb

OP here. Thanks for the advice. I already changed rooms. She did take $220 from me though. I leave on a flight tomorrow. Also she stopped replying to my texts so I won't say anything more.

>>592154186
every possible helpful thing has already been said.

>>592154338
As you leave, your tail will be between your legs but you have learnt a lesson.
Now we'll fuck with her.

>>592154338

if she didnt do sex, what was she willing to do?

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>>592154338

Way to get fucked without actually getting fucked.

>>592154381
>every
>possible
>every possible
>absolute
no

>>592151861
extortion you dense fuckwit.

>>592154542
Dance lessons.

>>592154542

Take his money.

>>592154338
wait show us last texts from her man cmon we gave u advice

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>>592154314
Now that's a fucking funny one

>>592154338

whoa, whoa, whoa........ you paid the ho $250 and you didn't get to fuck her

you should be the one calling an attorney bruh

OP you are a fucking pussy

>>592140782

sounds like they are running a scam

>>592154542
take his bank

I am a professional hit man, want me to whack her?

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>>592154338
OF COURSE SHE STOPPED YOU GAVE HER THE MONEY ALREADY lold dude get owned... you are the reason why these people think it works..

I call you a liar and you have nothing better to do with your time

Than lie about having a prostitue take money from you

How did you pay $220 and not get fucked?

>>592154906
Oh, he got fucked alright.

>>592154906
he, did. that's the joke

OP you fucking pussy..... you just lost our sympathy.

>>592154906

He did get fucked... in the wallet.

>>592154542
She said she didn't do any of the "illegal stuff" and she said the most she could do was a back rub. I wasn't about to force her to do anything. I hope that bitch gets hers. I've been robbed before so I'll get over it. I've seen many escorts and this has never happened to me.

Lawstudent fag reporting in

You can get her ass to pay money for you because she is blackmailing.
Ask your phone company to save the dialog too so its save and cant be pushed from a other lawyer down.
Also Screenshot everything and dont be in a fag mod. Ask her why she is lying and screen it too.

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She isn't replying. She is afraid of the knife I have. I mean penis. Sorry autocorrect.

>>592149986
sauce>?

Let's all text her and ask for Shaniqua

>>592155141
OP wont do any of that shit because he is way too much of a pussy

>>592154542
Sex

...Oh, wait

>>592155120

dude you ever heard of researching escorts before??? people review escorts all the time

>>592155248
kek

>>592155120
Time to stop paying for sex.
>fuck wife
>roll over fall asleep
>????
>profit

>>592155120
Don't beat yourself up over it too much, she's going to pull this on a not so nice person someday and it probably won't end very well.

"Hello, Russian escort. I'm watching you masturbate."

>>592154709
>>592154709
I spoke to her "attorney" on her phone. He immediately threatened me with kidnapping even though he didn't hear a thing that always spoken between us. I demanded my money back and she refused so I told her to get the fuck out. I'm not going to pin the bitch against a wall. She obviously knew I was going to get pissed but she wouldn't go into my room without someone backing her up on the outside somewhere.

this is stupid op. i would have been like "lol, fuck off" and stopped talking to her a long time ago. call her bluff man.

>>592154338
>She did take $220 from me though.

All things considered you got off fairly cheap. You were in over your head so I don't judge you. Smarten up next time. Everything has a video camera in it these days. Turn it on.

>>592155303
i got it that long ago i don't remember lol

>>592153181
>592153181
oh fuck lets go, try and get nudes, post here.

>>592155368
>I want to that two hunderd dollars back.
>totally worth being on record as a whoremonger

>>592155692

attorney's number from caller id?

We'll sort that motherfucker out.

>>592155692

Give us the nigger pimp lawyer's number OP

>>592156147
this, post the number op

>>592155538
Wives are far more expensive than whores, you silly bastard.

>>592155893
Thanks. I feel like a weight has been lifted off my shoulders because of you guys. I was expecting to get a lot of flak but I've gotten more good than bad from posting this thread. Thank you all.

>>592154722
Jesus telus shitty service everywhere.

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Had to text from online.
At the very least she'll have to get a new number now.
Have signed her up for shitloads of sms advertising.

>>592156322
Haha ain't that the truth.

>>592156410
how u do this internet sorcery anon?

>>592156410

how do you sign someone up for sms ads?

>>592156410
what is this thing you're using?

>>592156410
you magnificent bastard

>>592156344
No worries bruh, its life. We have dicks and do dumb shit. Don't let it ruin your night.

so glad that /b/rother stick together

>>592156147
>>592156294
It was on her phone. Which I don't have. Just some guy with a deep voice threatening me with charges. Then I have her the phone and told her to get the fuck out while saying a bunch of nasty things.

>>592156614
afreesms.com

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>>592140782
>cursed her out
>wat

stay 'Murican you fucking pleb

>>592156410
ahahahahahhaa

Was waitin for someone to tell me off about wives being more expensive. But at least she will make ya a sandwich after.

Furthermore

PIMP NUMBER OP!!

>>592155413
Should have got the back rub Atleast then you faggot

Texted her telling her "Ya dun goof'd, missy."

Dumb fuckin' whores, man.

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>>592148785
Dox the bitch and let the hate machine take care of it.

>>592156959
Most whores are capable of making sandwiches too, which is why wives know how to do it. There's a lot of crossover there.