I have a question for Atheists. How can you believe with 100% certainty that there is no God when there is no proof that he does not exist? That doesn't seem like a very logical, open minded and scientific way to view the world. It seems more like your beliefs are being dictated by your emotions and not on facts (just like religious people).
>>591950079 Oh boy, here we go again. Why do you care? Arnt you just supposed to be happy with your faith? Quit trying to figure things out asshole. You're never gonna get the answer you are looking for. Peace and chicken grease
I dont know 100%, I know maybe like 80-90%. I just dont identify myself as an agnostic because every single agnostic ive seen on here is some preachy faggot that takes pride in the face that they bailed out of the race.
I am 100% certain the God depicted in the bible or any other religious scriptures is in fact, not real. Whether or not there is a god, I don't know. There isn't any logical evidence supporting it. But I don't think I'll be punished for not believing in him if he does exist.
There's no reason to believe in the first place except because we trusted our parents when they told our feeble minds about god.
As gentlesir Dawkins points out, the same reason you do not believe in the flying spaghetti monster, the tooth fairy, and Mohammad is the same reason atheists don't believe in god: there is no evidence and it's a silly, implausible story.
>>591950079 >how can I troll everyone without seeming completely retarded also burden of pudding lies with the initial claim of a greater being, just like claiming air exists there have to be methods of explanation that can be backed scientifically
>>591950079 Someone doesn't understand the chain of argument. Someone at one point submitted a claim that they thought up, that we were poofed into existence magically by a superior being, and we've not seen any proof yet. Ergo, you can disregard the argument without proof, since it was submitted without proof. If I saw proof, you bet your ass I'd be on the alahuakbar bandwagon.
>>591950079 Nobody ever is and Nobody will ever care because it will never ever matter in the grand scheme of things. Instead of trying to screw with everyone's tits why don't you ask yourself why you do it? take care brush your hair
You're right. I don't claim to speak for others, but I don't claim with 100% certainty that god does not exist. No atheist worth their salt would claim that. I could only be really certain, and it wouldn't bother me too much if theists didn't claim 100% that god exists. That's equally closed minded but in a different way.
>>591952875 >you studied less than me and flipped it into modesty. ah, and that is why you fall short 10 out of 10 times. You simply can't come to terms with a valid argument to the point where you misinterpret its message into a condescending one.
I have a question for Christians. How can you believe with 100% certainty that there is a God when there is no proof that he exists? That doesn't seem like a very logical, open minded and scientific way to view the world. It seems more like your beliefs are being dictated by your emotions and not on facts (just like all religions).
>>591952482 That's stupid. The Bible states that God created humans in His image, yes, but it also says that He didn't give humans free will, which we got from the tree of good and bad knowledge. We then later would do horrible shit and He atoned for our sins, not inherit flaws in us, but our sins.
>>591953233 I'm atheist, and this a thousand times over. There are so many people who look at this shit as a fad rather than actually thinking critically. >>591953488 Arguing anything but no is ignorant, because it is an idea that someone came up with off the top of their head to incorrectly explain how the world works in a fairy tale like fashion.
>>591953233 My friend and I got into an argument about religion because he was trying to tell me about how his school is lying to him about evolution and science and how out of date, old, and untrustworthy science is. everything he couldn't give an answer for was answered with "God powers." Sounds pretty dumb to me
>>591952875 >i for one am Red flag alert. >tired of Oh boy he's tired of something. >holier than thou Insecurity detected. >woopdy doo Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, form your own argument. >studied less than me As to what? There's no measure to compare this with on an individual basis >flipped it into modesty It's not about being modest.
How can you proof god exists? I dont say there is no god but i dont say there is. We cannot be sure. And what comes to religion or atheism... its totally ok what you belive in but dont force other think like you! Its your own choice what you think is the thruth
>>591953673 That isn't implying a 50 percent chance, you're just putting words in my mouth and expressing your own personal beliefs, which is OK, but it's still not an argument. >>591953782 "Arguing anything but no is ignorant". That's a terrible ideology. >incorrectly your opinion, prove it's not how the world works >came up with off the top of your head Highly improbable, most historians would disagree with you. >fairy tale like fashion Nit picking.
>>591950079 How can you believe in something that was found in (probably) a story book? There's no proof in that. So in a way we're all at a stalemate.
There no proof there is a god, but there's no proof there isn't. I choose to believe what I think is more logical, and you choose what you think is logical. Religion is basically like taste buds. Some people prefer other things while others avoid those things.
>>591954251 Why does everyone always say you've gotta disprove something? When you propose an idea, you must prove it IS the way the world works, rather than everyone else having to disprove your idea.
>>591954233 It's not bait, the first four were satire. A red flag means a warning. You have an overzealous opinion of yourself and don't hesitate to act condescending to others on the basis you know what they're thinking, and are able to speak for an entire group, which in this context is impossible without either being a liar, or an idiot.
>>591954485 Sorry? >shittiest Okay, then you can refute it. Wait, you didn't? Stop posting. >>591954397 >Why does everyone always say you've gotta disprove something No that's the thing, if you want to argue that something is not proven, you must show credible evidence of to disprove it, in grade school you learn to back up your arguments with something called evidence, otherwise you are talking out your ass for all anyone cares.
>>591952482 >implying that time actually existed before humans >implying that God feels time in any way >implying that if a game designer creates the virtual world that can grow trees, he actually plants the trees and waits until they grow up being this retarded closeminded atheist
>>591954724 Exactly. Which is why religious people are talking out of their ass. When someone submits an idea without evidence, it can be refuted without evidence because of the lack of evidential support. All of religion is an idea submitted on the basis that it has no evidence, and you're supposed to have faith that it's true.
>>591950079 My policy is that science is more accurate than religion. Im fine with people believing that 'god' created life or the big bang or the afterlife because we have no evidence otherwise. just dont go saying god made the world 3000 years ago and put humans on earth in there divine form and whatnot.
>>591950079 well idk about other people, but i'm an atheist because i think the probability of god existing is low. of course i can't prove that he isn't real but you also can't prove he is. so why all the fucking fuss believe what you want. as long as you're not an extremist i don't care what you think.
If there is a god it is of no form that we pitiful humans can have possibly come to fathom, let alone describe in any of these pitiful anthrocentric religions. There may be a creator, but it is not the creator of Abraham or any other earthbound religion. Almost every phenomena we observe points towards chaos and entropy. Earthbound religion is not formed through the same critical thought as most logical things are subject to and hence is not worth the waste of breath in refuting. Cling to what you must, as long as you don't visit harm on others over your ideas.
>>591951767 All this says is that Muslims are so fucking annoying in groups that they literally seem to multiply, to other sane humans, in order to achieve the levels of annoyingness they currently hold.
>>591954990 which only proves that the initial very powerful factor was required. guess you have just almost confirmed that humanity contacted God/gods/aliens in the past and it was such a big event, that is still present nowadays, even though we don't know what happened.
>>591955266 Yes, mostly because China had closed its borders and the Arabic world had taken a wrong turn on the road of enlightenment and went down the road of jihad instead. The Chinese and the Arabs also didn't really need steam power or other industrial advancements, they had tradition and slave rorve to do the jobs.
>>591950079 >I have a question for Atheists. How can you believe with 100% certainty that there is no God when there is no proof that he does not exist? That doesn't seem like a very logical, open minded and scientific way to view the world. So we have to assume that everything we can't disprove exists? You can probably see the flaw in that without having me point it out
>>591955208 time does not exist in the first place the 'passing of time' is part of this universe only - not even noticeable outside of it (for God). it's like you are in the movie, but God can just rewind it back and forward the movie is simple, but a bit bad analogy, because it removed free will. then you can think of it as a game server that God owns and can access all history, interact with the present, predict the future
>>591955742 >they weighed her before she died and after she died and she lost like 2lbs when people die they release their bowels
If god was real why would he allow us to have sin and flaws? Why would he allow flawed people to write the bible and allow people to misinterpret the bible many ways, with multiple languages to be mistranslated?
>>591955836 a teapot in space is more believable than an invisible deity that lives in a magical dimension, created everything yet doesn't need a creator, can get a girl pregnant without intercourse, created the earth in 7 days, etc etc
>>591955968 Why do you assume there's some being outside of time as we perceive it? Why do you assume there's a mind capable of perceiving a world without time? Why do you not see the flaw in thinking there's a creator, but there doesn't have to be a creator of the creator?
>>591954538 retarded law is all about fighting crimes, without crimes there would be no law needed atheism is about not caring of religion what is about fighting religion? oh, antichristianism. there you go. 99% modern atheists = antichristians
>>591955742 >otherwise why would we be here for to live obviously our ancestors have survived due to survival of the fittest some people have just used religion to make themselves feel better about doing the wrong shit they do
>>591955836 Because you're too thick to get the point, I'll explain. There is no teapot because there's no proof of it, the same way there's no god because there's no proof of it. DO you think there's a teapot orbiting Mars?
>>591954724 >No that's the thing, if you want to argue that something is not proven, you must show credible evidence of to disprove it, in grade school they tell you that you have to prove your claim, not that your adversary has to disprove your claim Stop talking out of your asshole
>Interview anybody who says they are christian/or believe in God >ask them all the same questions about what they believe "believing in God means" >make sure to interview different sexes, races, religious people, ethnicity >ask them if they have heard God >ask them every detail of what they saw/heard/felt
>>591950079 You make a good point. I call myself agnostic for that very reason. Somewhere in the universe there might for example be a race so advanced that they could be called gods. We have no say of knowing this, therefore it might be true.
Actually religion helps benefit countless of people around the world everyday. It can give people hope, drive, motivation and a sense of belonging. It is an evolutionary mental health regulator that keeps us in check.
Yeah, he's a presumptuous fag. Science isn't there to make blanket statements about what is or isn't true. It verifies hypotheses with actual observation and experimentation. There is no way to do that with God, not to mention that there is no agreed upon definition of what God actually is.
>>591950079 OH YEAH? Well I have a question for Non-Atheists. How can you believe with 100% certainty that there is no Santa Claus* when there is no proof that he does not exist? That doesn't seem like a very logical, open minded and scientific way to view the world. It seems more like your beliefs are being dictated by your emotions and not on facts (just like religious people). >*Insert any fictional character here
there could be a race of advanced beings who use the word aggnozteek which in thier language means cum guzzling faggot but well never know. so it might be true. ill throw in pascals wager too! its possible only people who call themselves gnostic atheists or panthiests get into heaven. better convert possibly
>>591957500 Pascals wager is a load of bullshit It's way better to remain neutral and obtain the punishment of the unbeliever than to pray to the wrong god and get punished as a heathen by the other thousand ones
>>591956987 all you 'scientific' people should be kicked out in the first place all 'progressive' idiots talking about probability (!) of alien life existence in our and other solar systems - without any data on the density of life even in the nearest surrounding. about the probability of God's (in)existence (mostly antichristians here) about multiple universes that cannot be disproved (oh, just like God), do not even pass the Occam's razor test, but are 'so much better' than having to say Universe was _created_ (not to mention that their multiverse must have been created as well). Giving no fuck about the laws of physics that _rule_ everything in existence, and were created even before any matter. If they do, they talk about it in a way just to disprove need of God (like this is the first purpose of science), and they say that laws of physics can evolve, or be different in different universes. Not noticing that this is just another, more general, law of physics, and still needs (an even more advanced) Creator. And they are even televised with this crap. 99% of modern scientists are antichristian and they do not even hide it. Face it.
>>591957595 Actually this argument is not moronic if you consider the stated facts as everyone is blabbering about. >Talked about for Eons >Talked highly of by many adults alike >Worshiped by a vast following >Proper name >Nobody alive has ever seen him >Recorded logs/history dating back in the days 'proving' he exists
Please examine all the details to a great majority of fictional and non-fictional characters, and you'll see many likenesses to them as well as "God" :/
>>591957504 No. To humans back in caveman times, modern humans would seem like gods in the way you are suggesting. But we aren't gods, we are just very far advanced. It seems here that you think of the word god as something different to what I think of it as.
I think God is something that is by definition not natural. Something very advanced is, natural, but It might not appear that way to someone less advanced.
>>591957595 Hahahahahah i call myself agnostic because i cant be completely sure. I function and act like an atheist on all other levels. I have no love for religion at all, christianity held back technology and science for a thousand years. Islam causes war and sadness so on and so on.
To disprove that god exists is practically impossible. However, why spend an entire life believing in something that there is absolutely no proof of? Prove atheists there is a god, and they shall believe, because atheists need FUCKING EVIDENCE not stories from centuries ago.
And yet with all you're make belief so called 'evidence', you guys still try and deny Jesus, but because we as Christians believe there is more to this world than just science, we believe that the Holy Spirit resides within us, otherwise known as common sense, or a conscious, which has for thousands of years questioned the very basis of atheism, which ironically was derived from what you call a 'fictional' God. The internet has done some amazing things when it comes to communication, but it really does suck that you guys are all blinded by information you recieve and take it for granted. I myself have seen a lot of no believers come to know God, and your whole argument is so repetitive, and has been proven wrong so many times. The religion you know, isn't the religion i know, which is why its hard for you to fathom. All i can do is pray that one day your eyes might be opened for you to see the real truth.
It's ok to take the side of things you are pretty sure about. I'm pretty sure there are no unicorns, dragons, or leprechauns. No I will take the stance that they do not exist until proven otherwise. If one or all are proven then I will change my stance. I have yet to meet invisible sky people, let alone see any proof. Just sayin' anon.
i dont think anyone could prove or disprove any type of god. I dont belive because even if there was a plan there is too much suffering to have some all powerful being looking over all of us but even if there was i really dont want to have any part of it
>>591958544 >I hate atheists because they're beta faggots justyfying faggotry, immigration, transbullshit and feminism. So you have no idea what you're talking about and just wildly confusing terms, alright
>>591950079 >I have a question for Atheists. How can you believe with 100% certainty that there is no God when there is no proof that he does not exist? That doesn't seem like a very logical, open minded and scientific way to view the world. It seems more like your beliefs are being dictated by your emotions and not on facts (just like religious people).
>I have a question for religious people. How can you believe with 100% certainty that there is a God when there is no proof that he does exist? That doesn't seem like a very logical, open minded and scientific way to view the world. It seems more like your beliefs are being dictated by your emotions and not on facts (just like religious people).
>>591959420 Atheist means someon who does not believe in the existence of God or maybe gods All the other shit you listed has absolutely nothing to do with that, you're just making up some stereotype to dislike
>>591959396 They're slaves to their own agenda, just like religiousfaggots. If you really don't believe in any supernatural force in universe, just leave it alone and move on with your life. Don't speak about it, just live freely. Atheists can't do that shit, do they? They're most just edgy children, who don't understand much, but just follow someone. It isn't much different from any religion.
>>591950079 We are not under any obligation to prove your god's existence, you are, since you are the one asserting that it does exist. If there is a god that exists, I'm pretty sure its not the vengeful, deceitful, malevolent, sadistic, psychopathic, sexist, homophobic, bigoted, racist, intolerant, hateful, spiteful megalomaniac described in the torah, bible or the koran. God as described in those books is disgusting and warrants no serious consideration, respect or worship by anyone.
I don't exactly see how a God or a multitude of gods are necessary. It seems primitive to me to attribute portions of our reality to a God. If something can't be explained by the technology we have today, then it will be in the future.
There isn't anything wrong with people believing in a higher power for a sense of hope, or to keep their life together. Some people need something like that.
I do have a problem with people blatantly disregarding factual evidence, or shoving their religion down other people's throats, or denying civil rights to another person because of their religion, lifestyle, or beliefs.
>>591950079 first of all, to be practical one must act you cannot act in an uncertain manner life is heavily uncertain uncertainty can be converted into a certain action by going on the highest likely outcome this allows us to act in this heavily uncertain world as such, believing in things because there is not 100% proof it doesnt exist is impractical impractical thinking is bad, for obvious reasons
second, I do believe in god, just not the traditional god I believe that what the bible refers to as god is actually the algorithm which defines how the universe works its the same thing physics tries to explain in this sense god does exist, just not so human-like, and not conscious... probably I dont understand consciousness all that well, so the last one is more speculation than the rest
>>591950079 see the point isn't really about existence of any creator but about all existing religions (especially the major ones: judaism, christianity, islam, hinduism) being wrong, because we know with (and this part is tricky because from a scientifc point of view we cannot say 100% but behind 99% the thick theists see their hope and chance, so lets say) nearly 100% certainty that evolution happened. What "gave" life to Earth doesn't really matter because after that nothing interfered with the natural process -> believing in some sort of a god is understandable, but following any religion is stupid since a man cannot know him and those claims in so called holy books are fake.
Hope this helps. (if you are a theist you may want to read it slowly and even more than once)
>>591959946 >I think highly organized religion is a piece of garbage I think I agree with you more than anyone here I respect kind christians I talk to who are good moral but I tell them aside from that it's just organized control
>>591959661 Atheism is not a religion, and I hate having to point out that I am an atheist in a discussion like this. You shouldn't have to but the only reason people do is obviously to distinguish themselves from theists. That is why It is not the same as religion.
>Don't speak about it, just live freely. Atheists can't do that shit, do they?
Apparently neither can you seeing as you are currently discussing it on the internet.
And so we should be, because like it or not, your beliefs are a major part of being human. It's natural to discuss it.
>>591950079 Look, we don't care whether God or Gods exist or not. What we don't want is some pricks telling us they are in direct communication with him/them and transmit orders... If I only kept one sentence about the religious teaching I got, it is : God will recognize his own. And with that, if I'm mistaken in my lack of faith, I'll still be OK, not like the faggots, biggots, who are a shame to their faiths most of the time. How many death in name of God? You are illogical, if you believe you should start behaving.
The only way to live free is free of all that bullshit. Whether it's religion or atheism. They're both methods of manipulation. You don't need to tip fedora or pray to be free. You can just be free from all that stuff and do your own fucking thing. All i can see that atheists like to whine on TV and speak about the same fucking thing over and over again. Who gives a bloody fuck about that? You said that god doesn't exist, leave it. But nooo, we need to fucking talk about it all the time. All Gods that earth has seen throught the ages, weren't really gods, they were advanced races. So instead of wasting time on all that bullshit, we should start pursuing them in space. But no, it's better to fight with each other like children and pretend everything is okay.
>>591951767 I'm looking for the sources and I don't seem to see any. In Britain the estimated population of Muslims that identify as Muslim and bothered to say as much in the 2011 Census (which is the most recent set of information on a national level on this) was 8.9% up from 4.5% in 2001.
Curious why it's identified as so low just 1 year before hand? And what counts as 'Public's answer'? I don't remember being asked to give my estimation and I'm fairly sure I'm a member of the public...
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