Fun fact: Christianity Islam and Judaism basically all believe the same things and all endorse racism sexism homophobia slavery and genocide.
You say that as though it were a bad thing.
How else do you keep bloodlines pure?
Without those guidelines we would be buggering animals, killing each other and stealing everything that wasn't too heavy to carry.
thats an unfair picture. if i use pic related to justify north america, it wouldnt be fair. same logic here.
What's there to get? All three groups act like a cancer. None of them have done anything good enough in recent years to make up for all the senseless genocide and destruction.
Religion has done nothing for humanity in the last 500 years. Society would have settled with or without the vatican. There was royalty long before for that void. Christianity didn't found the Roman Empire. It was already there.
well, you have to realize that brainwashing is a lot more common in these arab countries where terrorism spreads rampant. they are a problem that needs to be eradicated but only the gun wielding maniacs who use islam as a front. Im muslim. and i would know if my religion encourages genocide and slavery
If you weren't disobedient, you wouldn't suffer. You will notice that everyone experiences the same ill consequences of their actions.
Disease, death, prison time. You will notice in most cases deviating from the moral anchor lands you in these situations and you have only yourself to blame.
God didn't reach down and smack you himself did he?
No, God apparently made totally arbitrary laws that hold humans up to too high standards.
If you're shit poor and your family is starving, you'll steal food.
But then you'll go to hell. And prison.
shaddup. no they dont. read a book.
Lol. You can thank human greed for that. Remember what I said about consequences? Yea, sometimes other people get to experience them.
The fact that you propose this suggests that it's Gods Fault, which means you believe in him, just don't follow him.
And you don't think that "Don't harm other people" is something we wouldn't have figured out would work best in any society without the word of God? There's a reason this is agreeably morally right in any society and religion.
Or he gave humans free will and we Fuck everything up
you think you got a grasp on religion, but im telling you brah...you dont. hit the books.
>implying that every group of people, all over the world, over tens of thousands of years, all evolved to be equal.
It's like thinking all languages would just magically turn out to be the same. Egalitarian atheists are deluded.
My problem is that the bible doesn't leave anything up to reasoning. If you ask "why is this bad" you'll get a slap on the wrist and get told "because God said so". It endorses an authoritarian rule because no one questions the established system.
Brain washing at its finest. Control the masses.
Why is it that everyone jumps on the "hurr durr, stoopet athiests" bandwagon whenever someone trashes islam/judaism/christianity? I'm not an atheist at all, but I have lots of contempt for the abrahamic religions
The Bible doesn't do that. Pig headed assholes with self inflated egos pretending to know the Bible do that.
Never anywhere in the Bible does it say to behave that way. There's way more books that have been written that are inspired by God.
Human intervention is how we have the very few books we have in the Bible today.
Yes you're right, the smart christians will interpret the bible and pick the things that make logical sense and basically have the morality of an atheist. The stupid christians will lynch a homosexual and bomb an abortion clinic.
The bible is poison and totally superfluous.
because i would rather be captured by a head chopping Muslim then be stuck listening to an atheist talk.
getting my head chopped off is preferable to listening to 90% of atheist say more then 6 words
So long as you believe and confess that Jesus died for your sins you have a place in heaven, but you *DO* have to back it up by living the lifestyle, which means loving others as yourself .
You Don't just get a 'get out of hell card' and consider yourself done.
well the deffinition of what is right and what is wrong has changed alot by time. fun fact. nearly all religions has forbidden the bank interest rate. So basiclly the capitalism shit that ruins the life of many in favour of a fewwe have today is because people are doing what religion is telling them not to do. though I dont believe a god exist, I think religion has nothing evil about itself. every system can be corrupted by time and missused against humanity.
*the morality of a smart atheist.
Virtue is learned and based on conformity as much as anything else.
Jesus would probably be one of the better role models to conform to, but better would be if you judged it all objectively.
Morality is not all that subjective. Even lower primates have a natural instinct of justice and fairness.
The problem is, our society has made morality more complicated than it actually is. The golden rule is one of the oldest, most innate things in humanity, but because of these fucking retarded religions, created by psychopaths to control mass populations, morality has been linked with prejudice towards other basic instincts and types of people.
Now, that's not to say that people can't be mistaken about it, and think they were acting morally while other's disagree, but that is beside the point.
Also, just because a society is excepting of any given act or idea, doesn't mean it's moral. Just like a person can be judged as moral or immoral, so can a society.
he desperation seems to have reached a new astronomical heights that I can not even get banned for life nowadays. It is bad taste to kick a victim who is already lying down and I get to banish myself for lack of higher powers. Have a good New Year all!
Morality is very subjective in the sense that the chief goal of a moral discussion is subjective.
If you believe in survival of the fittest rather than "strenght of the organism" you're going to disagree on a lot with a lot of people and vice versa.
and yet in the Old Testament God constantly stepped in and saved people when free will was abused...
I blame human greed for Starvation / lack of food when Africa is Fertile and wet. All the crops get sent to other countries.
As for Aids, most likely crossed over from an animal in the woods. Malaria? They have medicine for that.
Christians believe they have a monopoly on morality... it's ridiculous... with all the baby genital mutilation, fucking altar boys, doing humanitarian work with conditions of acceptance of Jesus, etc... truly pathetic.
You desperately need to watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74SQ6w6LdU0
I take it you skipped over the Old Testament and went straight to the watered down version of the New Testament your pastor preaches, amirite?
I'm fully aware. My comment was about Christians though. Would you like me to start in on Muslims?
How is that? We point out that morality exists, science is more reliable than 2k year old writings and an oppressive, petulant, invisible sky God doesn't exist?
lol this is not a human this is a nigger, fucking brown piece of shit. also racism is good if racism is against niggers, jews, shitskins etc.
also christianity is better than two other shitty religions.
prove me wrong you can't
inb4 sjw jews nigers leftists and other scum call me a redneck, implying this is a bad thing
Yes.. because we have actual evidence. Speed of light much? Hubble telescope much? Red shift much? Microwave background radiation much? It isn't like they are just inventing stories and claiming they are right. Hypothesis are formed. Tests are evaluated. Laws are described. Theories are espoused.
Because science cannot adequately explain 'Eternal', or 'Infinite', it has to attempt to place boundaries on everything.
It's encouraging that you at least recognize these are theories though.
You are so glib I am embarrassed for you. Theory has special meaning in a scientific context. You would know that if you pulled your head out of your asshole.
Science attempts to understand through observation and adapts as new facts becomes known. Religion asserts a truth regardless of contradictory evidence.
Eternal and infinite are described by math. Do you know what dividing by 0 is you fucking moron? That is how black holes were theorized...
Divide 10 by 1
Divide 10 by .5
Divide 10 by .05
Divide 10 by .005
Notice what is happening? The closer you get to 0 the closer you get to infinite. Holy fuck you are a moron. I can't believe Christians are able to dress themselves and survive day to day life.
bahahah... the moron thinks he can act like he knows everything but when you put his dumb ass in place he claims you've lost. Logical fallacy much.
Your belief system deserves the scorn of society. Truly pathetic. You don't understand basics of scientific discovery and make ridiculous claims. I bet you think we believe we "evolved from monkeys"... admit it...moron.
That is true. Science and the scientific method are limited to the observable universe. Philosophical discussions about existence would include contemplation of a god without a need for proof. Religion asserts things that are unknowable as true. This is where it fails.
You clearly missed my point then. You claimed science tries to put boundaries on things and ignore the infinite. I give a perfect example of infinite. You claim you are right. Face palm much?
Religion does not adapt as contradict story evidence is found. It denies the evidences and persecutes those asserting the evidence. This is a form of evil and is indicative of religions backward tendencies.
Faith is just stupidity.
Believe in me with no evidence!
If you ask for a sign you are evil and adulterous.
Good.. now keep believing...
Now let me throw things at you to make you QUESTION your faith...
Good... I killed your family and you invented reasons why it was good... let's keep this going to the next level...
FAITH = IDIOCY
You should really read the Old Testament some time. You know... that book that is part of the basis of your entire belief system... ?
It also does not try to proof it's theories but picks apart every evolution theory. If you have a theses you have to proof it, not go around and disproof everything else and say that yours the best.
I am this guy >>589603009
Alright let me give you a run down of what I've figured out
Yes Christians have done things in the name of the Lord that didn't follow the word of the Lord
And I agree with you, the faggots saying God hated gays are blasphemous and have no idea what they are taking about
The slavery thing idk if it's in the bible or not, but you have to remember slavery was a different thing back then, in the time of the Romans slaves steers treated no where near as harsh as niggers
We aren't supposed to hate or sin, we aren't called to have the material things of this world, and we aren't called to live like how most of you portray us Christians to live
And I'll admit we are all sinners no-one is perfect
I've always thought it was interesting that religions assume if evolution is disproved the next logical choice is creationism. I think that other options are actually more likely.
All of these religions were created by Semitic people (Israelites, Arabs) and have destroyed countless distinct cultures and religions around the world. Ever single culture has been poisoned by these religions in some way
>I would rather believe and be right, than not believe and be wrong. See the risk calculation there?
You got it backwards, idiot.
I would rather believe and be WRONG, than not believe and be RIGHT. See the risk calculation there?
It's called Pascals Wager and you're a moron for believing like that.
That could be and I honestly have no problem with that statement, but many very religous people just try to disproof evolution itself and just say its not in the bible so its not true.
Because first and foremost it would require abiogenesis. Second, if he did just create the Big Bang and then everything else just evolved then where is his "power and glory" and where is our "unique spiritual tie" to God? Also, religious faggots claim they were created in Gods image.... if we evolved then that kills that.
The Genesis account is considered a fable now by Catholics. The rest believe it is a true story. Kind of doesnt explain how the land of Nod where Cain went to and was fully populated came to be. Were there multiple creation stories or is it truly a crock of shit that lacks continuity.
> the pic
It's says the bible not the Torah
Christians don't follow the old testament because we got the new one
It's only there to act as where our roots came from and our history
Believes in ridiculous fairy tales and gets offended when you call him an idiot for basing his life around it...
Catholic fag here
Not necessarily if you go to mass every Sunday you get the bible read to you, and interpreted
That's what most of you faggots are complaining about, its like shake spear you just have to have it interpreted by someone who gives their life to God
So you completely disregard the Old Testament? Holy shit Christians are getting stupider throughout the years. Your pastor just got lazy and didnt want to explain the horrors that God is responsible for so he claims Jesus fulfilled all that so just ignore it now. LOL...
They are all certainly true. Of course these religions endorse good things as well. If they didn't they would have no followers. But they also endorse some of the worlds greatest evils.
Lets take slavery, jesus could have said, "you know the exodus story says our ancestors didn't like being slaves and the people who are slaves don't seem to like it so lets not do that anymore. Lets not own people." He could have done that but he didn't. In fact he didn't change anything from the Old Testament. He really just added some feel good love thy neighbor stuff that was already around. His only addition to the religion really is the forgiveness of sins and without the ot there would be no sins to forgive.
LOL... scientific fact is now a wordview... merely an opinion... bahahahahhaha.
PLEASE go do some reading and get some facts before you spout your bullshit any further.
Go spend 1 full hour researching these topics and the EVIDENCE supporting them.
Start with evolution and watch this video
Then move to abiogenesis and watch this video
Then move to evolution and lookup red shift and microwave background radiation.
Then throw your shitty Bible out the window and enroll in a science class at a local community college.
Not what I said faggot we look back to it as, line an old text book, the new one is updated and idiot proof (or so I thought), and the old one is still useful and has good shit in it but we'd learn most of what matters from the new tenement
Wow oh wow. So not only is god infallible so are catholic priests. Good thing those guys never take advantage of such blind devotion. Oh wait I seem to remember there was a problem. What was that again?
How exactly? You have to remember that islam is not actually a religion that has the same guidelines all of the time. When the quran was first revelated (idk the english word) marrying children around the age of 12 or 13 was commonplace. So, it was permissible during that time because of a principle which's name I've forgotten that allows traditions of a place to be carried out as part of religion.
For the record, the prophet never had sex with aisha until she was like 17 iirc.
Fuck you faggot cunt, choke on a nigger's cum and drown
The nature of God is the same. Go read the Old Testament.
Jesus was a perfect example, right? Did he get married? No!?!?!??! Shock! Horror! Then why is marriage encouraged?
Jesus is perfect, right? Then why does he go into a 2 yr old bitch rage and WHIP people in the temple for trying to make a living?
Jesus hand picked his own followers and got betrayed. Pathetic.
A Hypothesis is the current popular opinion about how our existence was formed.
Wasn't it you just a moment ago that stated we shouldn't blindly follow what we are told without healthy debate?
>A Hypothesis is the current popular opinion about how our existence was formed.
A hypothesis and theory are VASTLY different. There you go misusing simple scientific words again. It's adorable how idiotic you are. Like a 3 yr old trying to form multi-syllabic words...
> blind devotion
You know hell isn't portrayed as fiery with blood and shit everywhere
It's a place with the absence of God
>inb4 this is hell
He's here you guys
And I'll admit he's Damn hard to notice, but he does do shit for us all the time
All we have to do is ask and wait, it won't come instantly, and it might not come at all if you ask for something greedy out stupid
But he does work round the clock for you because he loves you, but the reason he gave us true will was so we could give him out love in return
How much have you given to God today? Make God a promise through provident living. If you give your pastor $1000 then God will magically turn it into $10,000 to bless you. LOL... fucking Christians...
$71 billion in tax dollars are lost because religions get a free pass. Just imagine what the actual amount contributed by religious morons actually is since that is just the amount that would be due if taxed. Now look at all the homeless. Look at all the hungry. Look at all the people with curable diseases. Religious wackjobs are responsible for exercising free will outside of moral boundaries.
It's funny how you think that if we know how we came to be that it outright disproves a god.
I bet you think your great-grandfather doesn't exist because you know you were made from your parents.
>All we have to do is ask and wait, it won't come instantly, and it might not come at all if you ask for something greedy out stupid
God's ultimate, perfect plan is so fickle that he'll change it if you ask...
People where racist far before judeochristian religions.
Once again all cultures are in one way "sexist"
Humans have always looked down on homosexuals in all cultures
Who sold slaves to slave traders? Those where tribal Africans. Regardless of religion all cultures have had one form of slavery in their history.
>implying the holodomor wasn't genocide of Ukrainians done by fedora communists
>implying that Chinese communists didn't wipe out huge pockets of Chinese culture
2/10 made me respond
What you just typed makes no sense.
I have a great-grandfather. It can be proved simply through genealogical research. God is a metaphysical, spiritual super-being. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
These religions are claiming the moral high ground and have no right to it.
Cause Jews selling Shit in his father's house
> Jesus didn't get married so why is encouraged
What, it wasn't his job, he came to earth for one reason, to defeat sin and death, he wasn't called to get married
>mfw I posted in the last thread like this
>Religiousfags taking this shit literally
It's a moral codex written by oldfags, in an attempt to educate a hedonistic people. They threw in a God and some miracles to instill fear into the hearts of the people because humanity has never changed without fear.
>Cause Jews selling Shit in his father's house
He was unable to provide sufficient evidence that it was "his fathers house"... why the fuck should they listen to him? He also promotes a life of entitlements. Leave your family. Give no thought for tomorrow... sound familiar? They were trying to earn a living. He wanted them to be thought slaves.
>What, it wasn't his job, he came to earth for one reason, to defeat sin and death, he wasn't called to get married
He was sent to be the perfect example. If his ONLY job was to defeat sin and death then...
why was he baptized?
why did he heal?
why did he walk on water?
why did he raise the dead?
He can do all that shit and live a "perfect life" but can't find time to get married?
So little kids dying of cancer who pray to be healed are stupid and greedy? I'll be sure to let them know...
Because we all don't know. We are all equally in the dark and do our best. You're not better than me and don't have a magic connection to god. I know you don't because I don't.
That isn't a verse in the Bible. Likely a touchy feely sentiment came up by your pastor that ignores what is actually preached in the Bible.
All "religions" including atheism (which now operates no differently that the inquisitions that the Catholics held) all claim moral high ground. Buddhism, Shintoism and any East Asian religion does to. It's nothing new.
> implying death is a bad thing
It's gonna happen whether you like it or not you're gonna die
Doesn't matter when or how
All that matters is were you ready to go
Did you free yourself from sin?
living by blind faith is SO much better, eh?
You should go research about all of the solar messiahs at the time of Christ. He was just one of many. The Roman empire adopted Christianity to quell and control the people. Government controls religion. Religion controls thought slaves. No possibility of them trying to overthrow you. Just have pastor give a quick sermon about respecting laws of the land AND Gods law... done. Render unto Caesar that which is Caesars... doesn't that seem odd. The creator of the heavens and the earth and all things that in them are tells you he doesnt own Caesars stuff... and Caesar made things he doesnt own... YUP...
If atheism is a religion then off is a channel on TV.
But no one is magical no one talks to god and has god answer. Sorry it doesn't work that way.
In this age atheism is becoming less of the rejection of a creator and into the destruction of people who disagree with ones opinion. I personally am a Shintoist but I do not reject science nor do I reject ideas other than that taught by it. Yet I am attacked by militant atheists for the fact I pray to my ancestors past. Is this right? Is the destruction of ones cultural roots in the promotion of your own ideals what athiests now believe is morally correct?
Must be convenient to ignore evidence and call people anti-Christian, trolls, etc because they disprove your belief system.
You anti-atheist... you anti-scientist!!! Wah...
Agnostic is not an alternative to atheism or theism.
I have read the Bible. I'm 35 and have read it probably 2 dozen times in my lifetime. I was a religious pastor for 7 years. The verse doesnt exist.
Atheism is fine I never said that it was wrong it's just that people who use atheism in a manner in the likes of religion is the issue. There is nothing wrong in not beliving in a deity it's wrong to attack people for believing in them.
you should really read this
If a perfect book is so poorly written it can be interpreted hundreds of ways you should REALLY reconsider it as a moral authority.
The problem is with religious wackjobs trying to pass social policies on to the rest of us based on their belief system.
Gotta love the non-specificity of religion.
Have you been to a college campus recently? The fact that people will attack a person for beliving in a deity then they say those people who they are attacking are full of hate is distgusting. Those are the people who I talk about. I see it almost everytime I visit a university.
Religion deserves to be mocked. You wouldn't make fun of somebody who still believed in Santa? You'd say it is their right and let them pass laws about how we should respect Santas naughty list?
I understand where you come from. But the basis of morality in the United states comes from a Christian background. As Saudi culture comes from a Muslim background. Religion plays in people's morality so it's going to law. But again marriage is a religious institution and we would of had domestic partnerships that have the same legal weight as gay marriage just that they wanted the word. It's a shame.
Yes, I agree that the Bible is a poorly written piece of trash that shouldn't be relied on as a moral source, as a document to describe how we came into existence, or anything other than a soft core porn book with periodic incest and rape scenes.
>But the basis of morality in the United states comes from a Christian background
It is NOT from a Christian background. If you believe that then you have NOT studied anything about the founding fathers, nor have you read any of the documents.
You probably believe that "In God We Trust" and "One nation, under God" have always been around.
Yes it's their right to believe in whatever they want. Yes I would poke fun but never would I ridicule them in public as I see atheists doing. And any law that censors speech in anyway is wrong no matter what it is.
I'm asking you to answer 1 Peter 3:15.
Is your answer "Because the Bible says so" or "I was raised this way" or "I prayed about it"?
It isn't censoring their speech. We do have separation of church and state and colleges are state funded, therefore religion has no place. That being said there are plenty of preachers on campuses telling the kids they are going to hell. They can speak freely. The kids can also ridicule them freely. They do. It's hilarious.
Wow oh wow. I bet you've lived in one place your whole life haven't you?
What specifically has he "done for you"? Why did you attribute it to him? Please watch this video in it's entirety as well please...
Ah the I prayed and I got a miracle argument. You know parents of kids with cancer pray everyday and watch their kids wither and die, painfully. What's your explanation why they didn't get their miracle?
So you believe any stupid ass belief has to be given respect?
Did you read the comic here?
If I believed in lesbian space turtles that shit out the universe would you not mock me? What if I said it was very sacred to me and anybody who mocked me or made pictures of the turtles should be murdered as it is offensive and it is my space turtle Gods shared will that I defend them?