>>588475126 they don't prosecute you until you go over a threshold dollar amount so they can charge you with a bigger crime and possibly collect more in court settlements. LP in wal-mart is surprisingly sophisticated. they already have a profile on you, meaning you've already been "caught" but they have decided not to have you arrested yet.
>>588475859 This is true, but what I did once was I walked up to the customer service desk as it was closing and they would say "We're closed, come back tomorrow" and I walk out with the goods. Is this honestly risky if you're not a dumbass about it?
OP: The major thing I'm discussing here is that I walked to the back and picked up an expensive item then circled around the store near the front and walked up to the customer service desk and returned it. I know they're not constantly watching the cameras, but how dangerous is this?
Walmart asset protection here. We get a report listing all no-receipt returns. We sift though these to find thieves returning stolen shit. CSMs will also tip us off to sketchy returns. The AP team is watching you. They have your ID on file. They are either waiting to get you in person, or they're going to forward your information and evidence to your local police department.
>>588475676 This is true to an extent. YES if they do see you, and what you are taking is of little value, they generally don't give a shit. They will mark you and when you come in again you will be more closely watched. It's not worth their time until you break a money threshold where I live i beleive the threshold is $300. Now DID they see you?? Who knows, but if they did they will watch you from now on.
>>588476402 Lol. That is the fucking holy grail for fraud returns at my store. Most walmart APs don't watch live camera shots. We really only use that shit for evidence. When we do refund review, the first thing we do is look at the high ticket returns, and follow them back on camera to see if they came into the store with the items.
>>588475126 A better scam is to go to an office supply store when they have photo paper for free on a deal with some ink cartridges. Buy the ink and the paper, then wait a month and return it with no receipt. Photo paper is usually around $50 so this can be a good profit in store credit.
Office Max, Office Depot, Wal Mart etc all use different barcodes for the same items (ink paper etc) So they will know if you try to return something bought at another store.
>>588475126 my trick worked very well for some time and I earned a lot of money
>went to the book store >asked people who came out if I can have their receipt (told them I was doing some research for university) >went into the book store >took the books from the receipts and returned them
I was taking the money right out of their pockets and they even gave me a friendly smile.
>>588476731 Depends on what store you go to. I worked at at Wally World for a couple years and there were almost no actual prosecutions despite constant shoplifting. Bottom line is you need to know what the policies are because it varies wildly from store to store.
>>588478996 Honestly, the easiest way to get away with it is to not look like someone who steals. If I don't think you're going to steal, I'm not going to follow you in the store. Blacks steal. A lot. A lot more than any other race. At least in my area, which is primarily white. Young people also steal a lot. Poor people steal. Drug addicts steal. Try to avoid looking like any of those groups. Also, I personally follow merchandise. If you're walking around the store with something that is frequently stolen, I'll follow you.
>worked at walmart in HS for 3 months >worked in the seasonal department selling fucking BBQ's >gave zero fucks >worked 3pm-10pm >worked with another guy >we would take alternating lunch/coffee breaks >wouldn't ever clock out for breaks >came stoned often >no one ever knew except some non-nigger black guy >gave me the "I KNOW" look >Sold a $750 BBQ to him for $50 >He brought me four 24 packs of beer when I was walking to my truck when store closed >still give zero fucks >was only a seasonal temp employee >at end of temporary term mfw when the manager said >"Anon I think you could grow to management and beyond with Walmart" >No thanks
>>588480311 It will vary from area to area. In my store: Cosmetics. Number one thing stolen. Women are fucking thieves. Electronics. Mostly cell phone accessories and shit. A surprising amount of TVs too. OTC. medicine, visine, etc. HBA. Hair dyes especially, because women. But realistically, people steal anything not bolted down.
>>588481970 A bad stop is serious bsns to retailers. If you make a stop, bring them to the back, and it turns out they didn't steal...instant termination. Because that's a huge lawsuit. In loss prevention, you need to see three main things to stop someone. Selection. You need to see them pick it up off the shelf. Concealment. You need to see them hide it on their person Continuity. You need to maintain constant observation of them. Then they have to pass the final point of sale without paying for the merchandise.
>>588484877 Well, that wouldn't matter if they saw the selection, concealment and were able to follow the person without loosing sight for the whole time they were in the store until they left the POS.
mask or no mask, can still grab them..
but, the hard part has to be keeping an eye on them the entire time to make sure it doesn't get put back on the shelf (or passed to another person).
I mean, if they pass it or something, a nigger could get away with the theft AND sue the store. kek.
That's one of the silliest things I've heard, the tag beeper thingy goes off, so you bring them back to see if they've stolen something, they haven't, it was some kind of malfunction, and you get sued?
>>588484303 It's always odd to me how much people get hung up on cameras. Other places do rely more heavily on live camera work, but most walmarts don't. You don't have to worry so much about cameras as you do people. I work in plainclothes. I walk around the store and pretend to shop. I could basically be anyone. You're not just looking for a certain type of person. It's not like you're only looking for a 25-35 year old male, 6', muscular build, etc. Pretty much anyone could be loss prevention. I've worked with 50 year old guys, 5'4" young females, Fat people, skinny people, etc. Also, most walmart cameras are shit. They're all real (most people seem to think a lot of them are fake), but they're not very high-res.
>>588485623 No, we won't stop them if we only see them ding the EAS towers. That was my whole point. But yeah, a bad stop is pretty serious business. When I stop someone, I'm basically making a citizen's arrest. If I do that and you're innocent, that's wrongful detainment. Which is pretty serious.
Yeah, and my whole point was that it's stupid and America's suing culture is stupid
> Ding Ding Ding > Excuse me sir, the technology we have in place to detect shoplifting has alerted us you may be shoplifting, can we check your bags > Kay > Turns out the machines went off but you didn't steal anything, sorry to bother you
> That's fine, I know you're just doing your job and the machines did go off after all, you had every reason to suspect me
I steal stuff all the time from Walmart. Even easier here in Austin since they banned plastic bags. I just load up a cart with a few high dollar items when it's busy, bring a fake receipt and walk out and show the fake receipt to the greeter. Can only return 3 times a year without a receipt so I gotta get people to return for me for gift cards
>>588485623 I feel bad for responding to a troll post, but long long ago in a far away life I too worked retail. If the beeper goes off and they keep walking there is nothing you can do but watch them go. Most of the time no one will make you go back to the register to get checked. At one place I worked they tracked the amount of times a cashier would fail to deactivate the tags on merchandise. When they take you back to the register often times all they will do is check to make sure that all the items you bought were deactivated. It's not stolen until it leaves the store, that being said go to college and get good jobs kiddies, then you wont have to spend your time trying to figure out how to scam Wal Mart out of a few dollars...
>>588486386 Yeah, there's training. We just follow people around the store. You get good at it after a while, learn good hiding spots, etc. Average shoppers are ridiculously unaware. Thieves are not. I've had shoplifters catch me peeking one single time and get nervous and ditch. >>588486312 That may have been the case in the 60's when cameras were expensive and complicated, but it's not now. There are over 400 cameras in my store. All but a handful of them work. The ones that don't work are broken. There aren't any fakes. Case may be different in other retailers, but I wouldn't bank on it.
>>588487176 Receipt checking is fine. We do that occasionally. But only when we strongly believe that stole, or it's just a high ticket item. But actually taking them to the back is something we do when we KNOW they stole.
>>588480939 Also, razorblades I worked night shift at a small store and the food, toy, cosmetics, and hygiene aisles were the ones that had the most cameras. Literally everyone in the store knew when I was restocking razor blades because of the fucking alarm that went off every time the thing was opened.
>>588475126 Look for receipts people have dropped in the parking lot or left in their cart then take those items in the store. Even If you're caught walking out the door just display the receipt, you already paid for it. Otherwise just go to customer service and return them. Its best if they paid with cash or debit. If they paid on credit it can be directly refunded to the card.
If I walk through a machine specifically designed to detect stolen items, and it goes off even if I have stolen anything I would happily consent to having my bags etc searched (Unless I had drugs or some shit in there) because I understand the person doing their job has every reason to now suspect me of stealing.
If they just came up out of the blue and accused me of stealing I'd be annoyed (I wouldn't sue though, because I'm not an Amerifat), but if I set off a machine designed to pick up shoplifters? Yeah, I'd understand, and I wouldn't make a huge deal out of it because I'm not a butthurt asshole.
>>588488558 Actually, nobody in the store has any legal right to detain you. That's why they won't grab you or anything, if they're not fucking retarded. They can yell at you, and demand you go with them, but you have no legal obligation to do so. Of course, by that point you'll be banned from the store anyway, but whatever.
>>588487906 Staring at ass is what gets me through the slow days.
>>588488268 Go to electronics, select something small and expensive, walk around the store a few times, looking around at people, look nervous, and then go to a quiet part of the store, I would advise against it, though. I've trespassed assholes who have called me out.
>>588488373 It is what it is. I got caught by loss prevention when I was a kid.
>>588488740 Not really. LP is a pretty low paying job. Especially at walmart.
>>588489270 >If I walk through a machine specifically designed to detect stolen items, and it goes off even if I have stolen anything I would happily consent to having my bags etc searched (Unless I had drugs or some shit in there) because I understand the person doing their job has every reason to now suspect me of stealing.
That's the dumbest shit I think I've ever read. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. Just because they have fancy machines does not mean they have any right to search you, and if you let them you just degrade the bill of rights.
>>588489524 No we don't In Ontario minimum wage is $10.75 The loonies only 86cents now so that's $9.25 USD Things here are also taxed higher and are generally more expensive. We don't have it that good but muh free healthcare like the rest of the developed world
>they dont prosecute under 25 >who cares >take appliance like humidifier in $55 range >return to different store >receive store credit >buy 50$ visa gift card (credit covers card + fees) >enjoy shitty 2 for $20 chilis dinner and shitty movie with fat gf
>>588480939 I work at Walgreens and I can agree on the cosmetics being stolen a lot. I find empty packages all the time and catch chicks stealing all the time. it's rediculous how much more cosmetics is stolen than anything else.
>>588491257 Would like to point out that you could also say you forgot your badge at home, and just got hired and are really nervous about it, and you'd still get into the break room, if anyone asked you what you were doing back there.
I know they don't have a right to search me, at the same time I also know I now look like I stole something, and so all the employees in the store now suspect me of stealing, so I will happily consent to a search (Within reason of course, I'm not having my anal cavity violated) to show them I haven't stolen anything.
Just because a piece of paper says certain things doesn't mean it is infallible, it is not degrading to the piece of paper to allow a person to rifle through my shopping bags for 2 minutes to clear any suspicion about me, just because they don't have the right to search me doesn't mean they don't have reason too, and I understand there reasons, they are perfectly valid and acceptable, so I will happily consent to the search because of those reasons.
The only dumb one here is you the (Presumably obese) person going
> HURR DURR ILLEGAALL DETAINMENT MA BILL O RIGHTS HURR I'M SUUING
A truly disgusting culture you live in. It's not your fault you turned out like this though, you were born into this shittiness, you never stood a chance. I feel sorry for you /b/ro.
>>588491463 >We can ban you from the store. At walmart, that means every walmart and sams club in the world. Every time we see you, we can kick you out, and you'll get a fine in the mail. For spotting a security guard?
How can you even enforce that? I mean, unless you have some way of checking everyones face against a ban list..
Also, how would you even have their address to send the fine?
Do you really think at a HUGE store with MANY departments and NO full time employees that anyone knows anyone? Of course everyone probably knows Cindy the fat whore with 20 kids and Johnny the stoner, but I would stake money on the fact that walmart employees probably don't know each other from Adam
>>588491937 For being trespassed. I really only trespass thieves. You have to be an obnoxious cunt for me to trespass you for something else. The people I've trespassed for calling me out were interfering with my ability to do my job. They were following me around and telling customers I'm store security. I actually found that pretty amusing, but still...
>>588475126 Wal-mart loss prevention here...We know you are returning stolen merch..we are hoping you will keep stealing- your kind always do. As soon as you break the 500$ mark..we are going to slap a feleony charge on you..then you get to go live with the animals for awhile
>>588492183 There are all sorts of full time employees at Walmart. If you're gonna steal shit off the floor you don't need a badge, and if you're gonna try and steal from the back room, there's a good chance there will either be a manager or receiver there, both will work fulltime.
Typical American response. >>588491844 Kind of went over board buddy, but I agree with you. As an American I am consistently depressed by the deteriorating presence of common courtesy and common SENSE.
>>588492228 It's a fun job. It really is. I'm just doing this until I get my shit together and go to college.
>>588492672 Pretty much every day. Often more than one person per day.
>>588493124 We keep a database of people who have been caught shoplifting or are trespassed. But realistically, you have to be recognized by LP or management. Go to another store, and nobody will give a fuck, but it does apply at every store. If you get caught shoplifting, they'll look your name up in our database, and if you're listed as trespassed, you'll get fucked by the long dick of the law.
>>588491463 >Merchant's privilege This is a joke, you can only detain someone for 15 minutes max, you can only check items in plain view. You also have a long list of rules you must follow. If some minimum wage, sorry some $15 an hour punk tried to detain me at Wal Mart it would be a bad day for the whole corporation. Another case of trying to scare people into no exercising their rights if you ask me
>>588492016 not a whole lot of Asians in my area. mostly white trash and teenyboppers are what I catch. honestly I don't catch a lot of black stealing. I have this weird amount of like higher class better looking blacks in my area and low level trash white people.
>be 15 or 16, live in Ontario, Canada >Take short cut home from school in the ally behind some stores with my friends >one day friends and I decide to go "dumpster diving" because we saw it on TV or something >find a full, unopened case of beer. (behind a store called "The Beer Store" where you guessed it, they sell beer. >take it back to friend's house enjoy. >the next day we look in the same spot >more beer. This is awesome. Take it to friends house. >next day we look in the same spot, no beer >we look around in other boxes and bins, find a case of beer. >Then we start to figure out what was going on. >Staff from the store would hide a case of beer when they'd unload the truck so they could steal it after work. >we were stealing beer that Beer Store staff were planning on stealing >we kept this up for the rest of the week; friends closet was full of 24s and some 6packs >The following week we couldnt find the beer, and we looked everywhere in the area. >We decided the guys must have gotten smart, and found a better hiding spot >mfw we were stealing stolen beer for over two weeks and never got caught. The hardest thing was getting rid of the bottles from my friends house without his parents finding them.
>>588493799 >If you get caught shoplifting, they'll look your name up in our database, and if you're listed as trespassed, you'll get fucked by the long dick of the law. If you get caught trespassing, wouldn't you get fucked anyways?
is anyone really dumb enough to give their address? that's the funniest part.
>>588494731 Unless people from the store see you and know you're trespassed, the only way another walmart would know is if they look you up in the database, which they would only do if you're caught stealing.
But if you get stopped, and don't present your ID, we have to call the cops to come down and ID you.
>>588495329 Okay, so store bans confirmed worthless unless you are a complete moron.
which a lot of people are, so it probably is at least worth trying for Walmart. Like teens and shit would probably give in and might be more likely to steal in the future, etc. Something else for the lawyers to use. Again, if they are extremely dumb...
>>588491844 It's not about the piece of paper, but the many Americans who have been mistreated by their own government, and their own peers. The bill of rights is one of many reasons people choose to come to the United States. Where do you draw the line on what search is legal and what is not? You won't consent to a body cavity search, but is it ok if they strip you naked, even though they have no authority to do so? What if they handcuff you even though they have no right to do so? What if they detain your children while they strip you naked?
I'm not saying that these things will happen, but citizens of the United States have rights against illegal search and seizure, as well as self incrimination for a reason. I feel bad for you if you live in a place that does not ensure your protection against the government, or provide you with a way to change that government in order to better suit the needs of the people.
>>588495917 >Provide you with a way to change that government in order to better suit the needs of the people.
Firstly, every other first world country thinks it's quaint how American's think they're the only ones with freedom, or that they invented freedom. Secondly, you have no way to change the government to better suit the needs of the people, or else you'd have something better than the system you have now.
about a month ago me and my buddy went to walmart and he stole yugioh cards. he had been doing this for a couple months already. i had only went with him a couple times and he never tells me when he steals, he just walks off and tells me hes looking at something. anywhey, he calls me and tells me he's near the front. ive been looking for him for a while, so i walk out with him. then, some asian dude follows him out of the door and says "hi, mind telling me about that merchandise in your bag?" and i just keep walking completely ignoring both of them like it never happened and i calmly drive off.
even if i didn't know what was going on, do they still have me on file?? do they watch me when im in the store?
>>588496450 Shoplifting is a shitty way to make money. But you'd be surprised at the amount of money boosters get away with. Some people will get away with $10,000+ worth of merchandise in one theft. Not bad for the ~20-30 minutes they're in the store.
>>588496665 No, you're not on file. If you weren't with him when he stole, and they don't believe you had knowledge of the theft, you're probably fine. Especially for something like yugioh cards. You probably are followed in the store, though.
You can continue doing so but if you continue to do it at the same walmart they will know your face, and call AP everytime. If you make returns, make sure you do it with a receipt (find one, match items on it, return) because you can only do 3 non-receipt returns a year. If they know you too well, they can mark you for trespassing and if you go to their store they can call the police and charge you hundreds.
>>588497170 Yep, caught quite a few hot thieves. Never beat it to the thought of that, though. I'm not really the power tripping kind who gets off on authority.
>>588497541 They look for a high dollar-to-volume ratio. Basically, the smallest, most expensive things they can find. Ipod/phone accessories, razor blades, bluray players, electric trimmers, etc. Some have spotters, some don't.
>>588496552 >Firstly, every other first world country thinks it's quaint how American's think they're the only ones with freedom, or that they invented freedom No one said that we invented freedom, or that we are the only ones with freedom, I'm just trying to point out that if you do not exercise your rights you are in danger of losing them. >Secondly, you have no way to change the government to better suit the needs of the people, or else you'd have something better than the system you have now.
Our system has worked for 238 years. Sure we don't have government provided healthcare, but that is because most people do not want to pay the additional taxes to fund such a program. If our health care system is so bad then why do people from Europe and Asia come here to get medical treatment every day? If our system is so bad then why do so many other countries and even the European Union borrow our ideas to use in their own government? Lastly the United States was born as a British colony, and the rebellion created one of the wealthiest nations in the world. What happened to the other British colonies?
I just fucked up my LED TV screen and a few pixels are permanently stuck on now, was considering buying a new one at wal mart and returning the old one after swapping the serials, anyone know if his works?
>>588500778 From the LP guys I've seen, one thing I've noticed is a lot of them (at least where I live anyway) wear really nice, clean, new clothes. So maybe that's something to look for. Extremely nice/clean/new clothes.
>>588502879 Yeah, or maybe they get a discount in store, etc. so end up wearing that shit to work.
Did your friend stop or just keep walking?
>>588503160 Highly doubt many are broken in other stores either. Most of that is contracted out (I work for a company that does cameras). It is fairly normal to have a few out when you have so many, although less common with the latest cameras. Also replacing is a lot less work now.
>>588502710 do loss prevention guys ever just wait in the bathrooms and act like they're taking a shit? also, why doesn't walmart have uniformed associates that stand in the bathrooms and do nothing? it would prevent so much theft.
>>588501810 My folder is a mess, here's something I found though, I used to have jewpons for free monster, red bull, xbox, playstation, and all sorts of other shit. I planned on printing them on glossy paper so they looked like they came out of a magazine, but I never really cared enough to actually do it.
well, unless you stole from Wallmart in 2009 and returned it in that same year then I would say you are either a liar or a time traveler. Every Wallmarts state computer is updated in real time, and some states close to borders are connected. Unless you stole something from California and drove to New York then you couldn't return it.
>>588496122 >I returned lightbulbs with receipt. Girl didn't even bat an eye. Money back. No questioned asked. They could've been dead bulbs. She don't get paid enough to give a shit I guess.
and depends on the person i think. i've returned a tv, they didn't even check in the box if it was the correct one, or even a tv. just gave my money back.
then another time i took back some extra yarn the wife didn't need. the cunt was just certain we had used some of it and was trying to return the unused portion of yarn for a full refund. she even went as far as to get a ruler and was going to try to measure the yarn. she asked another person working there to go get her a skein of yarn off the shelf so she could compare it. happily for me, i knew the girl, who told the woman she was being dumb and just give me my money. fucking cunt.
>>588504288 he told them a lot of shit. he even called me, put me on speaker, and asked me where i was saying that if i came back to walmart to pick him up they wouldn't charge him. i didnt tell him where i was and i hang up. i dont know if he told them my name. but i know they told them his name.
>>588504288 You don't have ID on you, then we call the cops to ID you. Honestly, if you get stopped for shoplifting, the best thing you can do is cooperate. If they stop you, you're already caught. They know. If you have your ID, and don't act like a prick in the back, you'll be out of the store in less than 20 minutes. Shit, if you're a cool guy, and just kinda shoot the breeze with me in the back, I won't trespass you, and I might not even file criminal charges on you if you're not too far over the threshold.
They can track inventory via computer/ so returning something that is misscounted in inventory could raise alarms...
Protip:polaroid film sets off door sensors/so carry a pack of film in camera/or just the film, if they check it when you went in and you weren't good enough to get sensors off during your visit and it goes off when you leave just point to your bag and say "film again" then keep walking so you arent stopped. works best at barns and nobles
>>588505668 $25. That's the threshold for CRIMINAL charges. If it's over $10, you'll get a civil fine of $150. If you get caught stealing under $10, basically nothing happens. We just take your info and put it into our system. Now, if you get caught again...then you automatically get trespassed and all that shit.
>>588504168 Here's another, These don't work obviously, and I am only posting them to bring back the good old days. I never used any of these, and the items they are for are old shit that no one wants.
>>588506440 We can physically detain you. And if you get away, we will print out your picture and hand it to the police, probably with a picture of your car and your plate number. The cops in my area are pretty good about responding in a timely manner, their station is less than a mile away. But go for it if you think you can get away. I'm certainly not saying you'll one hundred percent get caught. One thing to consider, if you physically push past the person stopping you, it turns into a strong arm robbery charge, which is pretty serious.
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