Why are people with Down Syndrome kept alive? I mean really, what the fuck is their purpose in society? They are, by definition, not human, so why not just neutralize them?
How much money does the tax payer pump in to supporting these animals in schools and on social welfare, all for the purpose of dragging back resources that could be used on humans instead? Or kids have their education hindered just so their teacher can waste their time teaching Downy single-number addition in 8th grade? Or pumping money into carers, shoving a spoon full of potatoes into Downy's mouth at age 27 because he's not even capable of that? There is no quality of life, no contribution to society, all happiness is sucked out of the family that is cursed with them, and they die at age 40, long after any damage done by their very existence is repairable.
When I went to school, there were a few of these creatures on the school bus, sitting at the very front, they were mostly aged 30-40. You should hear the howls and shrieks coming out of them. One in particular literally couldn't talk other than "HARLaHaRLAAHRA", and when you could understand it, all she was saying was "Look at the window wipers! Wow!". I would compare it to having a conversation with my dog, but my dog actually has intelligence.
They are ultra low cost employees. Once they learn (and learn to like) a skill they do it like its a matter of life and death. You can pay them $4/hr and basically enslave them their entire lives without anyone giving a shit except SJWs
>>583922174 Downy animals were stuffed into another small building at the other side of campus. Still it cost the school and taxpayers a lot just so these creatures were capable of entering the front door, let alone the cost of teachers and carers.
>They are, by definition, not human >How much money >kids have their education hindered >shoving a spoon full of potatoes into Downy's mouth at age 27 because he's not even capable of that >no quality of life >no contribution to society >all happiness is sucked out of the family that is cursed with them
you have no idea what you are talking about, have you?
>>583922535 I know a single mom with kids and one has autism, she publicly tells people that she just locks him in his room so he doesn't drive everyone else crazy and says to call the cops she doesn't fucking care.
>>583922974 You don't neutralise actual humans because there's POTENTIAL that something great can come from them. You could not possibly know if you or I could be billionaires in 10 years time. There is absolutely NO potential for Downy. He will never be anything other than a leech, he does not have the capability to have any skills, intelligence or social abilities. At least animals bring happiness. Downies bring misery.
While I can't refute your claims OP I just can't condone it. My brother has downs and yes it's true he has and will be a burden to some extent for most of the duration of his life and a huge waste of tax payers money, he's just so innocent and cuddly! :3
there is no potential in most people. just euthanise everyone who is below the average in school in every year. it's the same waste of resources and many of them will even turn criminal, becoming a much heavier burden on society than some downies, who by the way, have a job in most cases
Why are niggers kept alive? I mean really, what the fuck is their purpose in society? They are, by definition, not human, so why not just neutralize them?
How much money does the tax payer pump in to supporting these animals in schools and on social welfare, all for the purpose of dragging back resources that could be used on humans instead? Or kids have their education hindered just so their teacher can waste their time teaching Chimps single-number addition in 8th grade? Or pumping money into carers, shoving a spoon full of potatoes into Chimp's mouth at age 27 because he's not even capable of that? There is no quality of life, no contribution to society, all happiness is sucked out of the family that is cursed with them, and they die at age 40, long after any damage done by their very existence is repairable.
When I went to school, there were a few of these creatures on the school bus, sitting at the very front, they were mostly aged 30-40. You should hear the howls and shrieks coming out of them. One in particular literally couldn't talk other than "HARLaHaRLAAHRA", and when you could understand it, all she was saying was "I didnt do nuffin". I would compare it to having a conversation with my dog, but my dog actually has intelligence.
As someone who actually has a half sister with downs syndrome... I can tell you that this guy, while a giant asshole, actually has a point. My father and stepmother gave birth to a daughter with downs and she is literally the biggest piece of shit on the planet.
She is a super bitch from being spoiled her entire life because she has a "disability" and absolutely provides nothing but a drain to my father.
And, she was actually put into a classroom with normal children because they lived in an area where the local school had too little money to provide separate education facilities... and the sad part was, she wasnt the last in her class because it was a predominately black school.
In the past 13 years of her life I've watched her strain tear apart a marriage, cause my father to lose his job, and cost the federal government a minimum of 200,000 dollars (yes they get a check in the mail for having a handicapped child).
>>583924348 Trust me, that's a large part of it. But, at the same time, he managed to "raise" me (for maybe 10 of my 22 years) and I have an engineering degree and a job that pays 4 times what his does a year.
>>583923857 We should keep the tards, but put them into buildings at birth and make sure they never see the light of day. THAT WAY, WE CAN USE THE TARDS FOR ORGAN HARVESTING for people who need the organs
>>583924461 If you pay taxes without leeching off them, you have contributed to society, at it's most basic form. Anything else is bonus. Some Downys may have jobs, but they still have probably costed more money and misery than they've contributed. Also, you don't know me, you're projecting.
You assume that a person's worth is only defined by their net effect on social financial systems, which is a fairly twisted view of worth. Also, are you not projecting when you use the word "probably" to describe all people with down syndrome?
>>583921225 lol - americans spend fucking nothing on disabled or retarded kids. In the UK having a downs kid is like winning the lottery for retard families. They get a free car and everything! Couple of upsides are they never get cancer and they're probably better company than OP.
source: I work in a special school >pic related - the school play.
Because we live in a society and time when they can be given the chance to live out their lives instead of having no chance. Besides, they never do anything important or world changing in their life and neither will you. Suck it up, pay your taxes, live your life peacefully and die without being a dick. 1/10 for making me respond.
The arguments for and against the persecution of the mentally-impaired, can be simplified to one word.
As primates, our ancestors bashed each other over the head with rocks, made crude "carvings" on stone walls and dragged women from one tribe to another, to rape them. Head first, of course, so they wouldn't fill up with dirt.
Then, humanity began to evolve. The wheel, musical instruments and early scientific inventions that boggle the mind, even to this day. With evolution came the single-greatest gift ever bestowed to humanity.
Sure, throwbacks were and always will be part of humanity. Slack-jawed troglodytes whose only hobbies in life involve crushing beer cans against their foreheads and date-raping women with names like Bobbi-Sue and Peggy-Jean, but evolution is the ultimate triumph. The mere idea that we can strive far beyond that which we initially thought possible.
This is why persecution of the mentally-impaired, is pathetic. Completely disregarding the "morals vs. ethics", "abled vs. disabled" and other arguments that plague such discussions, persecution of the mentally-impaired is simply devolution. It's an affront to what we're capable of, as a species. It's a proverbial "slap in the face" to everybody who has fought long and hard to push themselves physically, mentally and emotionally beyond what they thought they were capable of, to evolve us beyond every other species on this planet.
Those who participate in acts of such cruelty are not needed in a society that still, for all intents and purposes, encourages evolution.
>tl;dr: yeah, you should probably just go right ahead and kill yourself, OP
>>583925483 He looks retarded. He can't speak, can't communicate. Take the wheel chair away and he's practically worse. It's the lack of the ability to communicate with tards which makes us dislike them. Iv seen tards at school everyday. They don't bother me. They don't bother you either. The families of these kids still have a bond with them. People should abort a retarded baby while it's still in the womb. Once they're this old who cares.
>>583921225 I mean, I see your point but you act like these people are awful people but they can't control that shit. Don't get me wrong I agree, but we should just peacefully put them down as an infant, through doctors and shit until they find a cure. You can't just go around slaughtering human beings, then whose the animal, man? But yeah man, their standard of living is terrible. It's just really sad to see, ya know. Like a deer with 2 legs, you want it to be out of it's misery.
We are more than just a little smarter than almost all animals, and I think this gives us an obligation to hold ourselves to a higher standard than wild dogs. You may hold yourself to the standard of a wild animal, but I think it's a good thing that most of society doesn't.
>>583921225 This is also true for severely autistic, physically disabled people and niggers fit the parasitic spoon fed welfare mould perfectly. All of these subhumans should be skinned alive and sold as cheap food for zoo animals as soon as they're born.
>>583926992 >Their fundamental chromosomal make up is not one of a human. Yes it is. They have all of the chromosomes you have.
Also, men are missing second copies some of the genes that women have, so are we not full humans, or are women extra-human? Or is all of this just stupid bullshit to justify eugenics (yes it is). I agree that Down syndrome fetuses should be aborted and parents shouldn't receive compensation if they choose not to abort, but this is a shit way to argue for it.
my gf teaches at an "inclusion school" where the sped kids (including kids with downs) are taught alongside "normal" kids in the same classroom, to help reduce the stigma of being retarded.
i totally get it, but the real problem with inclusion-focused tactics like this is that the sped kids invariably have a ceiling as far as intelligence/skills, whereas the "normal" kids don't, so really this kind of environment just holds "normal" kids back.
>>583927424 The physically disabled can still be contributors to society and a lot of niggers become dole-jockeys because that's the culture they're raised in, not because of a genetic tendency or anything. Downys aren't even either of those.
>>583927537 >i totally get it, but the real problem with inclusion-focused tactics like this is that the sped kids invariably have a ceiling as far as intelligence/skills, whereas the "normal" kids don't, so really this kind of environment just holds "normal" kids back.
everyone has a ceiling. the teacher should be differentiating the work - not giving everyone the same shit.
>>583926774 I live in a small town full of drug addicts, these people get these severely retarded babies through doing god knows what through their pregnancy and then they have these fucked up kids, some autistic, some with downs, some that are just down right mentally handicapped, they use their kids to get food stamps and a free place to live, feed the kid ramen noodlesaybe 4 times a week and sell the food card for drug money, fucking disgusting. Meanwhile the kid stays locked up in the house all day or just wandering the streets doing god knows what, it's so awful. I mean, if they have good care providers I'm all for it but that's no type of life.
>>583927814 When regular people reach their ceilings, sometimes in high school, they then leave school. Why would someone of lower intelligence then go into a medical university? They wouldn't. So why put a Downy in an elementary school? They aren't capable of it, so shouldn't be hindering everyone else.
Downies aren't any different from you and me, besides their retardation. The happiness in their lifes can vary from time to time. Some, suffer in normal schools, realizing they are different. Some, have the best time of their life in a special ed school. For some is adulthood and independence a pain in the arse. But in general they tend to value the little things in life, which wont satisfy many of us.
if you feel pity for them you are unexperienced and ignorant.
>>583925845 Empathy helps us better take part in an organized social group with people like us. That empathy extends to other animals too, however we put down animals that would cause pain or be in pain themselves and niggers and mentalists should be put down humanely for the sake of that model we are working so hard to protect.
>>583927880 yeah - I agree depending on the disability that some kids have no quality of life. At the school i teach, some kids are in pain and crying most of the day - and they can't communicate to tell you what's wrong. By comparison, downs kids have pretty good lives.
>>583921225 They are keep alive because there are 2 groups of people. I have come to realize that there is the freedom group and the socialist group. Freedom people are all about live and let live. Stay out my business, don't violate my rights and I will do the same. Then there is the socialists who want to force resources from those who have to give to those that don't through the power of the gun. Neither side understands the other. Freedom folks want to have the choice to help those in need who they choose. The socialists believe in forceing charity with the power of the gun, government. This extends to Down syndrome. tax payers forced to give to the less fortunate. Nowadays it's better to be "disadvantaged " than to be able to stand on your own two feet
oh, they would love that! they could finally say: "see, the were actually after us all the time! we said *cough* said so *cough*cough* the jews *cough* 9/11 *cough*cough*cough* reptoid freemacon illuminati *cough*"
You guys are sick. People are people. That's like saying gays aren't people because you're born different. Fucking shitlords are the reason social justice warriors are fighting. I'd challenge any of you cockstains to a debate on the subject anytime.
>Work at Rent to Own Store >Lowest of the low white trash want to pretend they are rich customers >Huge scam, pay quadrupedal the price for shit merchandise >90% of customers always have an excuse can't pay, able bodied, mentally sound, pack of losers >Potato comes in, wants stereo, has job as a dish washer Sucker.jpg >Potato pays of stereo in 90 days without accuring obcene interest >Potato pays of big Screen Tv the same way, then bedroom set > mfw Potato turns into best customer, always pays on time, never have to repo merch
>>583927675 That's true, however largely physically disabled are horrendous for society to view. Niggers are predisposed to violence and stupidity and allowing their DNA to mix with other races will pollute the gene pool with inferior genes.
>>583927971 Civilization must exist, I am not a danger to civilization. I am a danger to the societies that try to function by supporting an ever growing population of inferior genes. If nature had its way, they'd be dead anyway. Why not help them along?
You can't even fight an argument on the lowest levels, how do you ever hope to convince anyone outside of the echo-chamber with something this controversial. This is exactly why idiots like yourself get to talk big in places that nobody cares about. What's it feel like to have an opinion with no weight?
An opinion so hollow it actually convinces people of the opposite.
>>583926992 so people with kleinfelter syndrome or XXX, XXY, XXYY or any other are not human? I will still take a crazy XXX woman anyday, especially that most go all their lives without knowing they have it
>>583928542 Okay then. Homosexuals are capable of producing some kind of benefit to humanity through other works. Their sexuality is unimportant, they're unlikely to breed also. However, severely mentally handicapped people should not have their DNA allowed to prosper based on a human concept of taking care of everybody. They're inferior human stock, we cull inferior stock of animals daily, humans should not be any exception.
>>583929187 I'm not using it as a synonym for human. I'm using it as the definition of human. As in Binomial Nomenclature for a species. Their DNA does not match. It's not like the difference between an asian and a white being a breed differential like a schnauzer to a lab. They are fundamentally different on a genetic level.
>>583928569 I'm pretty sure that OP was referring to allowing genetic abnormalities and serious defects causing long term problems for future generations and not allowing the fit gene pools to survive, as nature intended. Is reading between the lines that hard, or is picking apart a point based on badly worded or formed sentences more important, as it's easier to discredit people by making a mockery of them rather than taking in to consideration what is being said.
>>583921225 I work at a group home. Sadly the amount of money the taxpayers put toward these people are huge. Each receives about 60 grand a year to pay for their living expenses. That pays for food, shelter, people to take care of them, clothing, and any other expense that they occur. I do not personally feel it is a life for some of these people. Yet we can learn a lot from the genetic standpoint and why they are the way they are. Sadly, most of society shuns the thought of these people and the use they can bring to the medical society.
I have felt that all people should do one of two things in our society. Work for the mentally disabled or go to the military. Minimum of 2 years. Just to teach people that there is a need to clean up our society. We truly need to see the detrimental effects of drug use and what it can do to the human fetus. Not always is it from that, but a majority of the time, from personal experience, was from the use of excessive drug use and alcohol use.
The more that we as a planet do not find a way to solve this problem, the closer we get to allowing it to consume us. I feel the best way to correct it, is to throw society into it and let them see the truth of what the political hierarchy wants to hide from all of you.
>>583929682 It's DNA transposition. It has to do with how the DNA helicase unzips the double helix and copies it to make a gamete. So the gamete would not technically be a human one, due to the genetic differences. It's some fucky, in depth biology and I can't do it justice. My suggestion would be wikipedia it. Long story short, it's like if your photocopier had a hiccup and accidentally printed trap porn on page 55 of the 72 page expense report you hand to your boss. You're fucked if it happens to you, but the rest of the world gets a cheap giggle at your misfortune.
First of all we wouldn't be wasting time and money on a bunch of disgusting retards and instead we'd be using our medical capability to benefit healthy humans which actually help advance the human race. THESE DISGUSTING TARDS ARE NOTHING BUT A HINDRANCE
>>583929921 First off it's /pol/, not /pol, so I can tell you are new here. You sound like you just got here or something, your school buddies tell you about this place? Second, you are being hypocritical in wanting to kill people and calling me edgy; I only wondered why people were pro life if they knew. Are you not the same as /pol/ then, wanting to kill people with differing lifestyles/opinions?
Now that's artificial selection. The gene pool wasnt plastic enough to adapt to the environment , so let's try and adapt the environment to the actual gene pool.
Because yeah , the current gene pool is just perfect.
Killing the downies wont accomplish anything in terms of evolution. They dont really reproduce in the first place and we cant really control the mutations that cause it , so there isnt much we can do about it.
>>583921225 People with down just live almost 50 years and die. They can't have kids, so they can't spread that shit. People with shitty genetics, like midgets, diabetics and obeses should be forbidden to have kids and we would cleanse the world of that shit.
>>583921225 > implying that the 3mil or so is anything other than a drop in a bucket. > Thinking that you are special, check your privileges son I would hang out with one of them and consider drooling a more involved conversation than what you posted.
>>583930474 >The gene pool wasnt plastic enough to adapt to the environment , so let's try and adapt the environment to the actual gene pool.
More like evolution created in us behavior to seek out nutrients, create shelter, bond together in groups and so forth, and then when there was a strong selective pressure somewhere in our past towards generalized intelligence we suddenly got the capability to modify our environment. Naturally we'd been striving to do so ever since, the result being agriculture, cities, health care and so forth.
>>583930474 >Killing the downies wont accomplish anything in terms of evolution.
Exactly, so why kill them? We are not savages are we?
>>583930704 I know the first sentence could have used a semicolon, but I know the rest is correct. If you are going to argue sentence structure, or are too stupid to even read and respond to what I wrote, I'm done with you.
>>583921225 Civilization is an agreement between individuals that they will serve the greater good so long as they benefit from it. If the government begins rounding up individuals simply because of the way they were born then that unspoken agreement degrades. It wouldn't be much of a jump to include more undesirables, and then more, and then they start rounding up people with counter productive ideas.
Keeping disables people around is a very small price to pay to keep far away from such a world.
ive always been thinking that IF i should have a child that is disfigured or w/e what i would do.
dont think id keep the child tho. might orphan it away. children are handful enough, but being 20-30 years old with the mind of a child and having to still take care of a 30 year old is too much.
living with ur parents at the age of 30 is one thing, but being incapable of feedin yourself, getting a job, or even going to the bathroom cuz ur still pissing/shitting urself at 30 years old is next level.
Actually I am worse than many downies, I am 30 years old and still live at home, no friends, occasional sex with hookers and that basically is my life in a nutshell. Seriously /b you should love the weaker beings amongst you, you often forget that perhaps there is a God watching you who will Judge you the same way you Judge others..We should care for the vulnerable and the weak, that's what makes human beings special and worthy. anyone who disagrees belongs in the animal kingdom
>>583921225 Also I hate that if we even hint even a bit of disrespect towards them people flip a shit and go to the ends of the earth to protect this waste of matters feelings even though he probobly cant process that your even talking
>>583931338 >I am 30 years old and still live at home, no friends, occasional sex with hookers and that basically is my life in a nutshell >you often forget that perhaps there is a God watching you who will Judge you the same way you Judge others
Just kill yourself, holy shit, you're just as bad as the downys.
So I've decided that if I ever get a girl pregnant and it turns out to be Downy, I'll ask her to get an abortion or just leave, no other option. Human lives are far too valuable to be wasted on Downies, let alone MULTIPLE human lives.
i know its terrible to say it but i have a sibling with downs and it fucking sucks, she live with my father and her mother, actually was their fault for having kids after 40s so they get fucked and try to set me up with a fucking child that is not mine, there is a lot of different downs syndromes but the type that this girl have is one of the worst so im actually scared of having a kid like that i would totally eithanize that shit and i know i am fucking selfish but fuck you anon you dont know shit about having to deal with this fucking mutated gene
>>583921225 >Middle school >School had integration policy where tards spent some time in normal people classes >Have retarded girl in social studies >The kind who is the definition of barely functioning retarded >We're all just sitting there when suddenly >She tosses her shirt off along with her bra in one fell swoop >The entire classes face when
>>583931406 the thing is, most of you guys, especially on /b/ will never have children or want to have children, so its easy for you to say kill them off.
but once you realize that the reason they are fucked up is because of your own shitty genetics is what makes u take pitty on them. cuz it is ur fault they are like that, no one elses.
what, you think they are randomly born autistic or disfigured? naw son, its something fucked up with your own genes that made them that way. nature isnt random despite idiotic believe, there is always a scientific reason behind everything.
>>583931537 Because society has "tought" the modern generation that we shouldnt hurt Anyones feelings no matter what and everyone.deserves everything and we all live happily ever after. Its stupid bullshit and I hate it, that person is wasting the parents money, taxpayers money, time and space but its kept alive for what reason.
>>583928764 >Civilization must exist, I am not a danger to civilization. I am a danger to the societies that try to function by supporting an ever growing population of inferior genes. If nature had its way, they'd be dead anyway. Why not help them along?
You just proved you a present danger to the civil order and should be lobotomized and castrated.
>>583932193 Money, love it or hate it, makes the world go round. If you cut out a huge chunk of what government funding goes to (i.e. subhuman monsters) and send it to something useful (education, public works, economic stimulus, literally anything other than keeping potatoes "alive") then everyone's quality of life goes up.
Financially and physically yes, it is hard to take care of them. but they aren't just a burden. my friend's sister has down syndrome. She is so happy all the time (because she doesnt understand how shitty the world is) and she brings joy to that family. They basically live for her.
let me ask you, why would you own a pet?
>does nothing for you, just consumes food and water and makes a mess
it's because they are a living creature capabale of affection
>>583932578 Exactly. And if you leave the downies the fuck alone with their tonka trucks, they don't bother anyone. The autistic fuckers decide to pop one day, and dear christ. My sister is the boss lady at a subsidized daycare at a local primary school and she's got both autistic kids that bite, kick, throw toys and on more than one occasion, smash windows, and a downy that sits there sniffing it's own farts and giggling. I know what I'd rather have around my kids if I was forced to pick.
But seriously guys, if we are going to abort downies, what is the next step? Killing all the mentally handicapped, then the psychically disabled, then all the people who don't have an IQ above 100 and ending up killing Jews again? Man, I thought the world was freed from fascism! And people who support this form of eugenics are probably sociopaths without any empathy and a bigger problem for society than most downies
>>583932671 >She is so happy all the time (because she doesnt understand how shitty the world is) >Kids are happy all the time because they dont know yet how shitty the world is >tfw you are not considered a person until you understand how shitty the world is
>>583932671 A pet doesn't go to school and ruin everyone's education. An individual pet doesn't cost the state thousands and thousands of dollars every years just to stay alive. A pet is euthanized when necessary. A family doesn't have to work several jobs and have their lifesavings wiped out to look after their pet. A pet usually dies after just a few years, not decades of misery.
>>583921225 They should all be sent to a place that locks them inside of a machine that encases their head and body so they can not move or experience any of their senses, like being in a coma. Then, the machine harvests blood from their body. When they die later, harvest their organs.
There, I just remedied the need for blood or bodyparts in medicine. No more waiting for donors for weeks in a hospital, you get your heart replacement NOW.
>>583932078 >Fuck it's not like anything productive will ever come out of people like this.
And is that what existence is about? Being productive? Nature is a cruel mistress, dooming some individuals to disease or worse. We, as compassionate, rational humans now have the means to not let nature unleash it's tortures on these unfortunate souls by letting them live out their life safely and in relative comfort. We should instead marvel at what we have accomplished and be proud of the fact that we have the means and the will to do right in an otherwise indifferent and hostile universe. Minimizing pain and maximizing pleasure is our ultimate legacy.
>>583931128 >Keeping disables people around is a very small price to pay to keep far away from such a world.
Seriously how much violence is a society willing to do? A society that's willing to kill potatos is willing to do a bunch of other stupid shit. Like trying to hold on to Stalingrad in the winter against a bunch of Slavs
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