debate me

why are you such a faggot?

are you replying no to this question?

>>583816537
Have you accepted the Great Old One Cthulhu? His omnipotence is unmatched. You'd do best to praise him if you wish to remain your true self in the afterlife.

What is your evidence for the existance of god

>>583816745
Dont dissappoint me motherfucker

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>>583816537
How can mirrors be real if our eyes aren't real?

>>583816537
If faith is a personal choice, why do you feel the need to debate it?

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if god exists why is Saving Christmass not the #1 movie in the country

If god sucks dick does that make her gay?

"If Cain and Abel were Adam and Eve's only children, how did they make more babies? Did they make babies with their mother? Or with each other?"

Why does hell exist?
Why should people be punished infinitely for a finite crime?

>>583817107
dafuq is this? posting for waifu

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>>583816537

>>583817107
roll

>>583816537
how can god be real if our eyes arent?

If nobody had bothered to write the gospels, who would Jesus be?

>>583816537
Why are you sweating balls?

>>583817240
There were other people. The Garden of Eden is generally viewed as a parable for loss of innocence.

>>583817107
Roll

>>583816537
How do you explain all the other far more ancient worlds cults containing large portions of the scriptures you attest to have been written after the time of your messiah, and the well recorded and well understood history of those cults warring for centuries before having their wacky cults mashed up into the official Roman state religion, which you now think of as literal?

Shyit, OP. Even in Egypt, Akhenaten's own followers had the good sense to realize what a cultural fuckup monotheism was and drive the fucking psycho jews out instead of letting them back in the empire, & undo the entire ideology.

You picked a poor worldview to jump on, OP. It was shitty 2300 years ago, and it's still shitty today.

If ghosts get rekd by people saying shit from a catholic text, wouldn't that prove that religion is the true one?
Capatcha: supreme trestud

>>583816537
I like it how the picture is of the guy who lost

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>>583816537

Surely OP will deliver!

Why do you think would god want to be observed and worshipped, it appears that he acts like he doesn't want to be blamed for most acts, we are the only living thing that prays, how do you know god isn't a lie?

How do you explain the retold stories in the bible (i.e. stuff that this thread on this website, http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/pda/thread.php?topic_id=11032, or other books, I'm familiar with the jesus paper not this website but the content is the same)

I'm not an athiest, I just don't think that organized religion is right. You don't have to prove gods existance to me, I'm asking for you to prove that the way you believe in him is right.

>>583816537
I bet you don't even go to Church.

>>583817240
Cain and Abel weren't Adam and Eve's only children, in fact, the majority of Genesis tells the story about the generations of Cain and their third son.

>>583816537
convert me faggot

Niggas still take this bait?

>>583818465
Wo lo lo

>>583817240

Even better - why was Cain afraid?

After killing Abel, he goes BUT GOD PEOPLE WILL KILL ME FOR INVENTING MURDER

And God goes NO SON THE MARK WILL TELL THEM WHO YOU ARE AND NOBODY CAN LAY A HAND ON YOU

If Cain and Abel were their only kids, and Cain killed Abel, who was he worried about?

Also, who did he have kids with, then?

http://strawpoll.me/3153310/
4chan hasa voice.

>>583817107
roll

And a lovely little story it is, like most fiction.

>>583816537
Ivan Drago lost

Faggot..

>>583816537
I'm bored. How was the second generation of humans already agrarian despite anthropological evidence claiming that we were hunter/gatherers for a good while before becoming agrarian.

>>583818736
>m'lady

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suddenly!

>>583818558
Damn I've seen the light

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>>583816537
If god exist jesus then why ayy lmao mexican cows want probing anus lick?

>>583818736
Says the man with the fat loose vag'd waifuu

>>583818736
And not even good fiction at that

>>583818347
>Why do you think would god want to be observed and worshipped
He tells it through the prophets throughout the whole Bible.

>it appears that he acts like he doesn't want to be blamed for most acts
Maybe, could be truth. He might want the people to take responsibility for their acts, given the fact that He gave people the free will.

>how do you know god isn't a lie?
You don't. None of us do.

>How do you explain the retold stories in the bible
It makes them either more unbelievable (by suspicion that they've been copied) or more believable (by seeing them as confirmations of what really happened).

>I'm asking for you to prove that the way you believe in him is right
Can't do that. Faith in something that is abstract cannot be proved right (or wrong).

>>583818359
>I bet you don't even go to Church.
Christianity isn't about going to church every Sunday.

Samson story...wtf?

Why is
"You will lose"
in quotes?

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>>583816537
I'm actually a huge Christian...
>Bale Fan

>>583818595
Again, Cain and Abel weren't the only children that Adam and Eve had. There's either no passage in Bible that says that Adam and Eve were the ONLY people created by God (they were just the first ones), in fact, there probably were many more people, and maybe even in organised societies "out of the box".

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Did Pontius Pilote think Jesus was innocent but killed him because the

>jews

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I'll save OP's arguments the time.

>>583819403
Christian Bale is a dick.
>Stale joke is stale

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>>583819403

>>583817107
Roll

>>583818201
Technically, in Christianity, ghosts aren't rekd by any catholic texts, but by the power of Christ and the Holy Spirit. If the person (the exorcist) has been blessed by the Holy Spirit, then he would probably have the power to rekt the demon.

>>583819437
Isn't that significantly worse, though?

"Hey, Dave, I was asleep, what's going on?"
"Oh, sup Joey, you won't believe it, you know Eve?"
"Yeah, spends all her time with that tool Adam."
"So like she talked to a snake and convinced Adam to eat the forbidden fruit"
"No way"
"And YHWH is like super mad"
"Reasonable, we have literally one rule here"
"And he's kicking us all out of the garden"
"Yeah, I-d do the -- Wait, all of us?!"
"Yep."
"What?!"
"Totally sucks."
"I didn't do anything!"
"Better get some clothes, we're also not doing nudity anymore."
"Fucking Adam and Eve."
"Yeeep."

>>583816745
There is none. You either accept Jesus in your life and let Him "steer" your life in some way, which may make you sure that God and Christ are real, or you don't. It's up to you to try.

>>583818413
That still doesn't answer the question.

How did Adam and Eve become grandparents with only sons? Wincest?

Also, why the Bible? Why not the Torah, or Koran, or Bhagavad Gita, or the Book of Mormon, or the Dhammapada, etc.?

>>583816537
The bible said the meek will inherit the earth, and all the scrawny nerds are atheists. Checkmate faggot.

>>583817107
im doing this

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>>583820079

>>583820135
The Bible doesn't say that they >only< have sons. Yes, incest is an option, but, like I said, they weren't the only people that could have been created by God, they were only the first ones.

>Also, why the Bible? Why not the Torah, or Koran, or Bhagavad Gita, or the Book of Mormon, or the Dhammapada
It's up to you to check them all and find the one that suits you best. Or you can ignore it and be an atheist, it's up to you.

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>>583817107

rolling for keks

There is no god.

*MIC DROP*

#THREADOVER

>>583820079
>"So like she talked to a snake and convinced Adam to eat the forbidden fruit"
>"No way"
>"Yahweh"

>>583817107
Rolling

>>583820132

It's convenient that Jesus always lets you do whatever you want - it's just the other people that can't do what they want and you have to make them.

http://strawpoll.me/3153310/

>>583820159
Actually it was said about the Earth that saved Christians are supposed to go in their afterlife (some kind of an Earth 2.0 with their Bodies 2.0). But that still depends of the interpretation of said passage.

>>583816537

Why is god? And what in?

>>583820390


Nice non-answers, faggot.

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>>583820459
>implying the sun doesn't exist

>>583817107
roll

>>583816537
Why do you worship a jew?

>>583820595
No Christian is allowed to "make" anybody do anything.

>>583820645
So Earth 2.0 everyone is Sheldon and Amy.

Got it.

You just converted me AWAY from Christianity.

Do you think when God said "You shall not lie with a male" he meant that he wanted you to do it standing up?

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>>583819164
Seriously, if nobody had bothered to write the gospels, who would Jesus be?

>>583818558
LOST

>>583816537
Convert me.

>>583819164
>>583816537
Why would you bother debating on this site?
It doesn't make any sense, it's counterproductive if you ask me.

>>583816537
If you are not Catholic and don't reside communion you will go to hell

>mfw OP hasn't posted any responses

>>583820894

You may want to educate yourself on something called "human history".

>>583816537
I don't want to debate you, I'd rather bludgeon you to death

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>>583816537
Give me a real proof of God
sage in all fields

>>583820727
I answered you. It was you who asked a question that was actually a presupposition. No passage in Bible says that Adam and Eve only had sons, and your question was "if they only had sons, how they became grandparents?"

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Why should I trust your book that was written at best decades after the fact when Islam's got written on the spot?

>>583820936

It doesn't matter. Paul wrote Jesus to be what he wanted him to be, not what he was. Whatever he was.

>>583821110
>it's counterproductive if you ask me.
>it's counterproductive
>counterproductive
>on 4chan

>>583821224
Funny how every denomination of Christfaggotry says the same thing about themselves.

>>583820936
Nobody. That's exactly who He'd turn out to be - nobody. But, as we see, He didn't.

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>>583821448

No passage in the Bible said that Adam and Eve didn't have an army of robot warriors either. You can't go by what it doesn't say.

>>583820894
>>583821302

let me reword a passage
>drinking and having sex is wrong
>but it's up to you to if you still want to do it
>I told ya, but you will burn in hell

>christians_logic.tiff

>>583821110
Well, I do it for the lulz. And maybe to straighten some ignorants' "knowledge". ;)

>>583817107
Huuuuuuuuuuuuuu

>>583821741
But you go by what it does NOT say. What did you expect?

>>583821618

Exactly. If God is the truth and people are constantly learning about God, why are there always more and more different versions of Christianity? There's like 20,000 different sects. In something based on reality, more study brings ideas closer together. They reason why ideas about God keep splintering is that they are based on imagination.

>>583816537
You have semen on your face, you faggot.

>>583821785
You're certainly not going to hell for drinking wine. Actually, Jesus drank wine with His apostles and it was fine. Bible only says that you shouldn't overdose.

The only sin that's never gonna be forgiven and you can be sure to go to hell for, according to Luke, is the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

>>583822005

No, we go by what it does say. And what it says is confusing. It's almost like it was written by uneducated goat herders instead of an all powerful being with infinite writing skill.

>old testament says no idol worship
>christians worship christ
>worshipping an idol
>hurr durr jesus is god's human form
What?

And why is it that Christians always say praise Jesus? Why can't they just say praise God? Christians overwhelmingly worship Jesus. They say overwhelmingly say praise Jesus.

It's fucking idol worship and you Christfags know it.

The same argument goes to those muslims and Alibaba Muhammad Al-mualim hadim.

>>583819000
Yes.

>>583821732
If it's not a Razer BlackWidow Chroma, then I'd suggest you get a new keyboard. Too much effort cleaning it imo.

If gof created the universe, who created god...
Who created the being that created god?
Who created the being that created the being that created god?
So on...

>>583822292
That explains the lack of robots.

>>583822043
Because God is imagination too.

>>583817107
Rick rollin

>>583822298
>And why is it that Christians always say praise Jesus? Why can't they just say praise God? Christians overwhelmingly worship Jesus. They say overwhelmingly say praise Jesus.


That's mostly Protestants, though. I come from an Eastern Orthodox country and that surprised the hell out of me too when I first visited the States. It's like God the Father doesn't exist with evangelicals.

Even if you write off Adam and Eve as a parable, which most sects of Christianity would never do, there's certainly no explanation for Noah and his sons.

The bible explicitly states Noah had three sons, and they repopulated the earth. No other humans survived. So according to the bible were all inbred from the first cousins of these assholes fucking each other.

If you dismiss the tale of Noah too, why be fucking Christian at all? If you don't believe in anything in the bible, why follow it?

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>>583822243
You know this is all fiction right?

>>583822292
Your question was, "how did Adam and Eve became grandparents, when they only had sons". No one said that they only had sons, they had plenty of children, sons and daughters.

The Bible doesn't say it outright, but that's the best logic explanation that I can have for you, because, like I said, Bible doesn't say that they never had children after Cain, Abel and Seth.

I'm catholic but Adam and Eve, as well as Noah's Arc is straigh bullshit, holy fucking shit, even 90% of the bible is nothing but fiction, maybe because it was written by scribes and not god like many people think it was.

>>583817107
nigger. that is all.

Jesus used to suck goat cocks and he loved goat jizz...true story I read it in this really old book so I know it's true because I believe in it ..rumor has it he has a son that is half goat and half boy

>>583822298
Jesus was the Son of God that was foretold by prophets. And in His teachings, He said "No one can come to the Father except through me" - Jesus became sort of gateway between people and God and He set the New Covenant so that their sins could be forgiven again, after ages of doing bad things.

>>583822945
>If you dismiss the tale of Noah too, why be fucking Christian at all? If you don't believe in anything in the bible, why follow it?

Two old testament stories don't = Bible.

A lot of mainline Protestants, and even some more liberal Catholics and Orthodox generally view most of that stuff as Jewish folklore, or the equivalent of Aesop's fables - stories created to teach us stuff.

Really all you need to be Christian is believe there's a God, he's three people, one of them is sometimes a dove, the other was human for a while but died, and you should follow Jesus's teachings to the best of your ability/knowledge.

Bear with me here, this is a long complex question and I want you to fully comprehend the weight of it before you try and answer.


If Christianity were the one true religion, and your god is the true god, your pope the true leader, and your doctrines are truly the unambiguous word of your god, how come orange socket wrenches fall out of my pet dolphodragon's ass when bruce lee puts on a huggies diaper over his friday clown suit?

12 tribes of sandniggers are released into the desert.

here comes Islam and Judaism -- Christianity slumps behind and just adapts most of the major traditions of the Romans, add a li'l ignorance and a couple of 1000 years of war and immigration.. WALLAH! Religion for all you intolerant faggots!

congrats OP, you're a dumbass like every other exclusive monotheist on this earth.

>>583817107
rollan

OH GREAT CTHULHU

>>583823079
Fiction or not, it's a good thing to know what you're going to talk about, right?

>>583823604
>WALLAH!
I think you meant "voila".

>>583823569
>A lot of mainline Protestants, and even some more liberal Catholics and Orthodox generally view most of that stuff as Jewish folklore, or the equivalent of Aesop's fables - stories created to teach us stuff.
I'm a protestant and indeed, I have a similar view.

>>583823092
There were other people too Genesis 6:4

>>583824153
I pointed out many times that Adam and Eve were the first people, but not the only ones created by God. But Anons just seem to be ignoring whatever I say here.

>>583823562
So... worshipping a dead human.

Idol. Worship.

>>583817107
roooll

>>583824489
That was foretold by God Himself as His true and only son. So yeah, worshipping Jesus is pretty okay with God, clearly

i so pale

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>>583824126
It's made up bullshit. Only the dumbest and insane fringe groups cling to it anymore. That's why Christians as well as Muslims are shunned in the civilized 1st world.

You're just upset because your anti human death cult is fading.

>>583824685

you're using terrible logic to argue. you can't say that god said or did anything so that doesn't prove that jesus meant anything. you just sound like an idiot. what you're doing is "begging the question" and it's considered retarded and pompous.

>>583822826
>God the Father
>splitting God into parts
>multiple Gods
>no longer monotheistic religion
>violates old testament
Christfags, just accept you wiped your ass with the old testament. Hence, you worship Jesus. Hence, you worship a dead human. Hence, you're all as retarded as the muslims.

>>583824905
Who told you I'm upset? Another wrong assumption from the Atheist Guard of the Internet. I'm having fun here, my friend.

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>>583816735
praise him!

>>583823569
This is the problem I have with Catholic and Christians.

They use whatever they want from the bible and dismiss what they don't like. They use plenty of crap from the Old Testament, but then write off other things as tall tales.

It's constantly changing too. The Catholic church went through a while shit ton of literary gymnastics to write of Heliocentrism too. They ended up just saying the Magisterium was wrong.

>>583817107
rell

>>583820894
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

MOTHERFUCKER DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE CRUSADES WERE

>>583816537
big bang theory is a hoax.

>>583816537
Was Jesus based on horus or horus based on Jesus?

>>583817107
rollan

>>583817107
rooll

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>>583817107
k den

Okay OP

I have a counter argument

instead of me trying to prove your god doesn't exist, how about you disprove my god? Surely if you believe your god is the correct and holy one, there cannot be another. So, disprove my imaginary invisible walrus man who sometimes grants your wishes.

Go ahead, I'll be waiting.

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>>583825259
>Who told you I'm upset?

Otherwise you wouldn't be here seeking validation and attention.

Fuck off.

>>583817107
rool

Trust me when i say that the people who claim to be 'atheists' will have nothing but struggles in their life

why should i believe in a god that killed over 2 million people while satan only killed 9?

>>583824905
I'd take your image alot more seriously if it wasn't written in hot topic font. then again, satanism is only followed by edgy 16 year olds so I can't say I'm suprised.

>>583817107
rollang garros

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I'll bite, there is a God.

A being that defines all definitions, something you can't possibly conceive, hence the Christian saying, you shall not make an image out of him.

So far I'm all yours.

But then you proceed to put infinitely big eternal God into a tiny human person, call him Jesus, and claim to know what he was all about, what he wants or doesn't want for us, what his personal likes and dislikes are and so on, down to very specific details..

Jesus/God doesn't want us to wear garments made out of polyester and cotton. Wait, what? How would you know? Because it is written somewhere in a ancient text that got edited and translated again and again, usually to fit the current dogma of a man made institution like the church?

I don't even.. why do you do this? Isn't it just a tad bit arrogant to think that you know so much about God, and just a tad bit insulting to put him down like that, rip him from the divine heavens cramming him into some homeless Jewish bum that supposedly roamed the desert thousands of years ago?

I seriously don't get it.

>>583825791
Not OP but why a walrus specifically?

They're pretty shitty animals comparatively.

Also how do you know you aren't worshiping OP's God but calling him a different name?

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Vishnu is 10E999999999 time more powerful than Yahweh. Prove me wrong

>Pro-tip: Time I am, the destroyer of worlds

Even better. Let me concede Christianity is true.
Convince me to find your perverted doctrine worthy of being followed.

>hurrr durrr God's infinite morality and justice, you can't judge.

Well yes I can. He fits every definition of a Tyrant that we fight to destroy, and not a particularly good one for someone without limit to power. Judgement made. You're wrong, simple as that.

>>583819164
>how do you know god isn't a lie?
You don't. None of us do.

THAT IS IT! Isn't it. Isnt' that completely IT????
NONE OF US KNOW. we really, really do not know. We know that if I eat, I will not be hungry. but we know NOTHING about God.

So I'm not asking you why christianity. I'm not even saying why not all the 9 billion other gods.

I'm just asking you, why do you believe? You just admitted to not knowing the truth. Why do you go about your daily life thinking something to be true, while knowing full well you, or anybody else, couldn't possibly know? Because I'm at the same position. I agree, nobody knows. We're all just kinda, eating and shitting and organizing, like animals. Because we are, indeed, animals. Why, and how do you take the step from "we literally don't know anything" to "the bible was sent from God to humanity." Why don't you stop at "we do not know anything?" Why not stop at admitting the fact that we literally occupy less than 50% of earth's land, and we haven't even discovered the depths of the oceans, let alone the depths of space. Our greatest accomplishment is that we went to the nearest THING. Literally, THING. We went to the moon. While there is an infinity of space. And now we're planning to go to Mars, literally, the nearest planet. We know and have discovered less than 0.0000000000000000000001% of space. We haven't even fully discovered earth! There are sooooooo many mysteries, lying infinitely in all aspects of science and philosophy. Everybody has an opinion, but nobody knows which opinion is true.

How is yours any closer to truth? Why do you think so? Why are you christian? How do you not see that this is completely due to how you were raised, similar to cultural beliefs and customs??

>>583818158
LOL you must have watched Zeitgeist. The bible says the earth is round and hangs upon nothing. and that man will ruin the earth, no one can disagree that is happening today. What could they have ruined the earth with 2000 years ago? fire?

Question


If satan punishes evil, wouldn't that make him a good guy?

>>583825010
If you assume that everything that the Bible says is pure fiction, how do I argue with you on a normal level? Why would you even bother to start asking questions? There's no logic, because your approach deny any logic.

>>583825063
The Old Covenant was being violated by Jews for ages, so the God sent Jesus (as a semi-god, you could say) to create the New Covenant and set the new rules -- actually, more like clues on "how to be a good person" -- for the people. The Law from the Old Testament was meant only for Jews, and not all Christians are Jews, so much of the Old Testament don't apply anymore - like the celebration of Sabbath.

Why did God harden Pharaoh's heart to teach him a lesson that he was forced to experience regardless of his intentions then killed a bunch of babies just to prove a point? Why did Herod do it in the New Testament but was a complete asshole? Check and mate.

>>583825751

good shit im happy

>>583822298
Jesus=God=Holy Spirit. The best way to think of them is different aspects of the same entity. See my wedge example farther down in this reply.
That said, the majority of the 'Christians' who say 'praise Jesus' and pray to Jesus instead of God are usually the same people that believe in literal creationism. Also, see >>583823562 because this guy seems like he knows what he's talking about.

>>583822945
Most of the Bible is parables, and those portions that are not were retold from memory for hundreds if not thousands of years before being written down. The exact numbers may be off, but the general point of the texts remains.

Likewise, with regards to Adam and Eve, the Bible states that they were the first. It does not state that they were the only.

>>583823569
That summary is so freaking vague and mildly inaccurate. A better phrasing is "There is one God. He created all of the perceptible universe, including humanity, and set rules for humanity to live by. He sent Himself to Earth, in the form of a man named Jesus, to remind humanity of the rules he set, and provide clarification as to what they meant.

>>583825063
Not multiple parts. Think of God as a wedge, represented in a 3D Cartesian coordinate system. When viewed from the ends of the x-axis, the wedge appears to be a square. When viewed from the ends of the y-axis, the wedge appears to be a circle. When viewed from the ends of the z-axis, the wedge appears to be a triangle. Similarly, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are just different views of the same entity.

>>583825509
The Crusades happened during a dark period in the history of the Catholic Church, a period in which even the leaders of the Church were acting out of greed.

>>583817107 rolling bc no waifu threads

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>>583825858
>people who claim to be 'atheists' will have nothing but struggles in their life

Are you stupid? Everyone has struggles in their life.

>>583825987
>if it wasn't written in hot topic font

That's called Old English. It's the font your ancestors used.

>satanism is only followed by edgy 16 year olds

Nope. That's what you see on the surface.

There are those of us who remain secular and are behind the scenes. We don't advertise it nor preach.

We're everywhere. Everyone from police captains and firefighters to US armed forces are members of The Church of Satan.

>>583825509
Crusades were done by people who weren't Christians. They were just people blinded by catholic heads who were corrupt as fuck. Please, don't confuse catholics with Christians, they don't have that much in common as catholics would like them to.

>>583826138
Because he is my god and I feel his presence. I FEEL that my walrus god is different from OP's god. You must not enough faith to perceive him
See? See how you can't debate religious people? It's like debating a mentally retarded person. When confronted with logic or rhetoric, they will retreat behind faith or some abstract feeling that they can easily diverge with. There is literally no point.

>>583817206
>>583817206
i lold

>>583817107
rölli

>>583817107
autobots roll out

>>583826532
You have yet to address
>>583825791

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>>583817107
Rolling

>>583818347
Im not OP but the bible instruction is not to "forsake the gathering of yourselves together" . First and Second century christians were required to worship together. The bible tells us that the world is "lying in the power of the wicked one" 1 John 5:19 and the god does not try anyone James 1:13

I am a lutheran which is a lot more logical in my opinion. God has created people, but we are deeply flawed. We will always disobey the rules set by the holy one because we lust for what we cannot have. God sees what he has created and sends his son Jesus. Jesus tries to help humanity but ends up being killed by them. Basically, if you dont believe in god you will be forgiven because you WANT to think that there is a scientific answer. You WANT this reality but you will never HAVE it. You will never have it because the idea of a big bang has even more holes in the theory than creation.

>>583817107
roll

>>583816537
OP your doing a shitty job proving your point as a christian

>>583817206
holy shit that face isn't shopped either.

Kirk you silly silly man

>>583826584
They arent going to find peace with their problems

>>583826237
Such is faith. We believe, even though we know there will never be proof for, or against, the existence of God.
>>583826952
Similarly to how I, by definition, will never be able to prove the existence of my God, I am unable to disprove your invisible walrus man. That said, I still believe that my God is the only God.

>>583817107
oh dang

>>583821857
>And maybe to straighten some ignorants' "knowledge
That part right there.
It's not exactly your jorb to straighten out ignorance.
I'm not being rude about this either, I'm just stating it as it is.

There is no reason to believe in the existence of a god.There may be a god but theres no reason.End of story.Its that simple.

>>583827352
Yeah? Because I've seen plenty do just that.

There's no invisible man in the sky who's gonna pick on people who don't believe what you do.

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>>583826091
While I'll wait for a christfag to answer me this, I've got another question that boggles my mind:

Why the cross? The fuck?

The symbol of your religion is literally a device used for torture and execution..

If Jesus would have been on this planet 2000 years later.. would you carry little electric chairs around your neck?

Anyways.. why focus on the death of Jesus so much.. it's almost as if you celebrated death and execution..

It's a fitting symbol for a death cult I guess, but you claim to be all about live and love and shit, so what's up with that?

>>583827068
Rerolling

>>583817107
rollan

>>583826532
>That summary is so freaking vague and mildly inaccurate

Yes, anon. Because "one of them is sometimes a dove" is a clear indicator that I was was approaching this topic with full seriousness.

You can't really summarize Christianity into one sentence, because different sects focus on different things. For example, you focus on rules. A Baptist might focus on salvation or a personal relationship with God. A Catholic might focus on ecclesiastic structure or sacraments. Etc.

But generally "God, made everything, three people, one of them was a guy named Jesus, you should do what he said" is a decent summary.

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>>583827378
Now I'm convinced.

Best argument ever.

With debating skills like that, I don't know why you haven't converted anyone.

No one can put up any objection to such flawless logic.

>>583826532
So you're equating the interactions of God to projections of a high dimensional space into a low dimensional manifold? You're ripping off beautiful mathematical theory in order to backwards justify a concept that is clearly illogical? God would not choose such a retarded representation. If there is in fact a God, and he chose your retarded trinity representation, then I've just up and lost all respect for Him.

>>583827586
>The symbol of your religion is literally a device used for torture and execution..

The entire religion is centered around death and blood and destruction.

>>583817107
Fuck it, why not.

>>583817107
shit

Why does god rape donkeys?

>>583827378
>We believe, even though we know there will never be proof for, or against, the existence of God.
>never be proof
Well, this explains a lot.

>>583818541
Not everything is bait fuckin faggot

>>583827586

I agree with this, but the logic is that through his death, he absolved mankind's sins and saved our souls.

So for those who believe that, the cross is a symbol of God's benevolence (he willingly died for us) and their hope (after I die, I go to Heaven because God absolved me through Jesus's sacrifice). Besides, it wasn't the symbol in early Christianity, they used the fish sign. I don't know when the cross came into prominence.

Why did Jesus have to die to save our souls? Couldn't God have done it anyway? That I cannot tell you.

>>583817107
roll

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>>583816537
nice work, OP. you've at least proven who the proselytizing jackasses of the modern world are

(MomAnon here) Why are Christians so fucking retarded?

>>583827378
Why does god saying you're special actually mean you're special? Why does the universe have to be about us as people because a book says so? How many more civilizations do we need to aim to build churches and followers instead or finding ways towards cleaner water, a better lightbulb or something good for that world that doesn't demand emotional and philosophy baggage no one can claim to verify or really agree on?

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>>583816537
Child's play. I once converted a fellow Christian to atheism. Then I converted myself to atheism, just to convert him back. Finally, a couple of days ago, I convinced him to kill himself. He's doing it tomorrow. Boy is he in for a surprise.

>>583816537
I am a Christian and all, but why is there always some idiot who can't respect the belief of others?

>>583827564
Theres a difference between hiding your past and letting go of your past. You cant get over your sins without confiding about what you have done

Enjoy your beliefs and rituals, if they are real to you. I don't care. They don't affect me. I will forget you and this thread in less than 5 minutes. You may die in that time and I don't care. You are nothing, whether you are Christian or Buddhist or Atheist or not. We are all but specks of stardust on a small grain of rock orbiting an average star among billions of stars in an average galaxy among billions of galaxies.

>>583827378
and there it is folks

the line I was looking for

I want everyone in this thread to realize that you CANNOT DEBATE A RELIGIOUS PERSON

FAITH IS NOT DEBATABLE, IT IS LIKE DEBATING AN OPINION

>>583817107
Ok

it's like schrödingers cat experiment saying it could either be alive or dead inside a box and the only way to know is to open it. Same for the there being a God or there is no god and the only way to know is to be dead. I'm putting my bet with god because if I'm right I go to heaven if I'm wrong nothing happens, if an atheist is wrong he goes to hell if he's right nothing happens.... Pretty much seems like you're screwing yourself out of a easy immortality

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>>583828528
Because it's in their nature as well their religion.

>>583828716
There are no "sins" except stupidity.

I daily indulge in your so called "sins" and I am quite happy. It seems it's you who is miserable because of your chains and rules and restrictions. And you're deeply jealous of those who live free.

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>>583816537

>>583817107
rooll

>>583828850
Ah, Pascal's wager, good, good.

Only problem is I think if it works like the Bible says you have to ACTUALLY BELIEVE God exists.

Not just not-deny him, just in case.

>>583828850
What a weak and petty way to dedicate yourself to something

>>583817107
rolling

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>>583828771
>We are all but specks of stardust on a small grain of rock orbiting an average star among billions of stars in an average galaxy among billions of galaxies.

Yep.

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>>583817735

>>583829025
How does it feel to be an edgy contrarian?

If you want to live free and be a hedonist, at least go full Epicurean.

Calling yourself a Satanist without being a Devil-worshipping cultist is literally tween-brags-about-sex awkward tier.

You're that insecure you build your religious identity on provoking mainstream religions, but only halfway cause you're not really into Hell on Earth and scary rituals, and only call yourself that to literally be edgy.

Fucking silly.

How can religious People think that "god" dont speak for him selv, and always "put" words like its his month. If you were christian you would think that they would see for themself at death..

>>583827692
I wasn't trying to convince you, merely to provide the correct answer to your question. You have every right to disagree with me.

>>583828281
>for, or against
This is the key. We can't prove we're right, and you can't prove we're wrong. If God created all perceptible dimensions, God by definition cannot be contained within or represented on them.

>>583828774
It's not 'like' debating an opinion, it IS debating an opinion.

>>583827752
Surely you agree that if God created all of perceptible dimensions, then he must exist outside of said dimensions.

>>583829184
In one universe among a potentially infinite number of universes.

>>583826532
>The exact numbers may be off

This is a bullshit lie and you know it. The bible states the sons by name, and specifies 3 exactly. There's no fucking discrepancy. Why can't you admit your God wanted first cousins to fuck and repopulate the planet? You can still be shithouse crazy about Jesus, you just need to be in favor of incest.

>>583827378
>>583828620
Amd here comes the butt hurt faggot who can't accept everyone is different and has differemt views. Fuck off man.

And plus i wlays say, there's no reason not to believe in God. If you belive and live a religious life, then you go to his kingdom and all is well. If he isnt real oh well you still have better morals.

But if he is real and you don't belief and you want to fight against him and object to him, you get to spend eternity in hell. The only reason people are atheists is to start arguements. Respect everyone and.stop beimg edgy.

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>>583828643
I like you style

>>583816537
Christans to the lions!

>>583828850
And what makes you think the criteria for getting into heaven is believing in God?

Assuming he's not some insecure faggot who needs attention and praise to feel good about himself, which kind of is a given speaking of an almighty creator.

Maybe he values critical thought above all other things and only nice atheists go to heaven, maybe he values someone who is a good person simply because it's good to be good, and not someone who is only acting nice out of hope for personal gain in heaven or out of fear of eternal hell and torture? Anyone who seriously believes in heaven and hell will behave nice, even hitler would, that doesn't make him a good person..

So maybe he thinks you are a faggot who can't think for yourself and is only looking out for his own personal well being, instead of taking a chance and actually do what is right, not because it is written somewhere, but because it is the right thing to do? Like not hating on homosexuals and treating them like human beings deserving of the same rights as you are.. for example.

>>583828771
then how do you account for us being absolutely unique throughout the entire detectable universe? there isn't even a single celled organism anywhere but earth. my question is rhetorical because anyone that draws the conclusion you have is full of lies and i don't need any more of your arrows of lies

>>583829891
God is a test.

If you're smart enough to not believe in him you get to go to Heaven.

>>583829734
More

I'm just giving a logical standpoint to show why I'm Christian. I believe in all the moral concepts and believes but that was to convey a message to atheist who really don't care about many of the issue apposed by the Bible

>>583817107
Rolicon

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>>583829483
>How does it feel to be an edgy contrarian?

Pretty damn good.

>If you want to live free and be a hedonist, at least go full Epicurean.

I am. And we are.

>Calling yourself a Satanist without being a Devil-worshipping cultist is literally tween-brags-about-sex awkward tier.

Sounds more like you either don't understand it or you're jealous.

Go ahead and throw another crybaby tantrum. Makes no difference to me.

>>583829575
>In one universe among a potentially infinite number of universes.

And still no God.

>>583826473
She even prefers small :^)

>>583817107
roll to motherfuck cancer

>>583829607
Really? Have you ever played Telephone? The stories in the Bible are just the tail-ends of a really fucking long game of Telephone.

As for cousin-fucking, I don't really give a shit if you want to fuck your cousin. Not my decision, not my problem.

>>583830169
Do you cut yourself with that edge? If you do, that's so fucking metal.

>>583820470
Holy fuck, top kek

>>583830169

So wait, maybe I don't understand it, do you sacrifice goats and engage in ritualistic orgies and commit mass suicides?

If so, yeah, okay, I respect your dedication.

If not, stop calling yourself the Church of Satan.

This guy presents simple, unbiased answers that make perfect sense to everyone's questions. Let the man live his life.

>>583816537
i prefer to learn about the world through science with out catering to an all powerful deity, i don't have proof that there is no god, and you dont have proof that there is a god, it is a debate that is at a stalemate before it begins.
i have the upmost respect for the religious community but i know that it's not for me
thought?

>>583829025
keep telling yourself that. hahahah

>>583830691
What post was this a reply to?

>>583830695
You're an okay guy, if I ever run into you I'll buy you a drink.

>>583829607
cousins fucking? go for it if you want but I prefer thinking anyone related to me is dumb as shit.

>>583830695
thoughts?*
God. damn. it. so close

>>583830695
That is respectable. I just dont like when people dont belive in anything so they have an excuse to act like a piece of shit. U clearly dont have this prblem

>>583830858
OP in general

>>583830864
thanks mate!

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>>583830474
>Do you cut yourself with that edge?

Nope.

>>583830646
>do you sacrifice goats
No. Harming animals is strictly forbidden.
>engage in ritualistic orgies
If we want.
>commit mass suicides?
No. Life is important as it's the only one we got.

>If not, stop calling yourself the Church of Satan.

Because you don't want it to be something "good"? Too bad.

>>583830706
I don't have to.

>>583826223
The only religion that makes sense..
God all powerful
Ancient texts make sense
Sanskrit is original language
Karma
Hell is temporary
Reincarnation

Because whats the point of doing good things if you don't give a shit what happens. If I was atheist I would probably be in jail right now because moral values wouldnt mean anything. If I knew it didnt matter what I did in life and there was no consequence or reward in my afterlife I wouldn't take the easy way in life and try to be the best I can be

>>583831220
>Harming animals is strictly forbidden.

Forgot to add unless it's for self defense or food.

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>>583816537
You got nothin on kingian faggot

>>583816537
I am a Satan worshiper. A noble servant to the dark lord Lucifer. He will rise again, and smite down all who oppose him. Now how about you just go crawl back into your youth minister's asshole, and start reciting scripture to try to rid the "evil" is in my heart as well as yours. Because you know that your "god" has no real power compared to the Almighty so-called "false accuser" WILL RISE. HAIL SATAN! 666

>>583817107
roll

>>583817107
must roll

>>583831502
0/10

>>583830864
>>583830695
>>583831020

I like all three of you. You all seem pretty cool.

>>583831059
OP didn't reply to this thread even once.

>>583816537
OP IS OBVIOUSLY AN ILLIGITEMITE REPTILIAN WARMONGERING WAR LORD.

>>583825962
Just pretend those 2 million were niggers

>>583831220
Haha so edgy

>>583831020
i think that the issue comes when people start bitching about things that we have learned through science, (such as evolution) that doesn't care what religious doctrine teaches. this is the issue that tends to get me a bit more pissy

>>583829575
>Surely you agree that if God created all of perceptible dimensions, then he must exist outside of said dimensions.
No, I absolutely do not.

I have a fundamental problem with you believers justifying the physics. I have a fundamental problem with an entity which gets to interact with the physical universe when it wants to, but gets to exist outside of it and not interact with it when it wants to. That would imply all of our physical models are wrong, and while I concede there are still many phenomenon we don't explain correctly, there's also a fuck ton of data that we explain to something like 19 decimal places of precision. Meanwhile, you religious fags just keep referencing how this was all prophesized in some text written in the sand eons ago. You're the same retards who think Nostradamus writing Hissler means he predicted Hitler. It's beyond retarded. You have no means of falsification to your claims. I'll concede that your analogy of mathematical projections to explain the multifaceted nature of the Christain God is an interesting explanation. In fact I'll even give you that I will no longer jump to the 3 parts of God as my argument against Christianity, simply because your analogy is nice, but all it does is argue away one of many, many aspects of your religion which absurdly illogical. I mean you could discuss wormholes to explain how Noah fit so much shit into the Ark. You can argue that depending on the reference frame the first 6 days of creation was actually many billions of years. But it's all bullshit stolen from mathematics and science in order to explain a foundation of illogical bullshit.

The burden of proof is on you. I actually am not against the idea of God. But by Godel's incompleteness theorems I think the existence of God cannot be proven or disproven. And if there is a God, I certainly am not going to belive the shit written by a bunch of doon coons.

>>583831220

No, because you don't actually believe in Satan! That would be like a Christian who didn't believe Jesus was actually real or a son of god, and doesn't believe in God, but thinks some of Jesus's stuff is cool.

You're not Christian then.

You cannot take Satan and give him a positive interpretation unless you believe in the Bible. And then you're misotheists, which again, is at least ballsy - you believe God is real but think he sucks. But you don't believe in the Bible, or God, or the Devil. You can't reclaim something you don't think exists.

The thing is, your philosophy is pretty good, but calling yourself the Church of Satan literally comes off as "lol i troll teh crhistians"

Fuck, call yourself the Church of Love and Freedom, you'll get more members and good press.

>>583831321
Because I like being a good person not because I get anything in return, but because its the right fucking thing to do. I don't need a reason to be good, just like I don't need to know that after 80 years on this earth I get to go somewhere as a reward for not being a douchebag my whole life.

tl;dr: I'm not shallow, nigga

>>583830154
>beliefs and morals
>that was convey a message to atheist

So the Bible was the package for morality, correct? That kind of falls on it's face and off the cliff of the thousands of years of previous civilizations which really couldn't thrive without morality and applied ethics to begin with.

>>583817107
roll

>>583831925
Haha so dumb.

>>583832021
>No, because you don't actually believe in Satan!

So I assume this means you don't actually understand it.

>You cannot take Satan and give him a positive interpretation unless you believe in the Bible

Sure we can. It's a fictional character.

>call yourself the Church of Love and Freedom, you'll get more members and good press.

We're not hippies.

..................

>>583831502
Okay, I know this is bait, but at least this is a reasonable position.

You take what you're given, you just root for the other guy.

This guy can say he's a Satanist.

The fedorafolk who just want the name to be edgy can't.

>>583831994
Excuse me OP, it looks like you've been BTFO.

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>>583832181
>So the Bible was the package for morality, correct?

Obviously.

>>583817107
Roll

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You've angered the ALPHA NECKBEARDS.

>>583817107
rawl

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>>583831994
>The burden of proof is on you
i love when atheists say this after they provoke and harass people that believe in something

>>583832458
>Sure we can. It's a fictional character.
>But says I don't understand when I say you don't believe in Satan

I'm stopping right here because you contradicted yourself in two successive sentences.

Nothing you're trying to say makes sense.

>>583816662
kek

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>2014 AD
>instantly shrugging things off as nonexistent just because there is no scientific proof for it
>even though scientists discover new shit all the time

>>583831984
Well its just that we are the first generation where not believing in God has been acceptable. You can see it in people nowadays. Stuck up, huge divorce rates, narcissistic, disrespectful.
>>583830169
Take this dude for example.... he is some edgelord that thinks he is better than others because he worships something 'bad'

>>583816537
Orthodoxy Christianity

>>583816537
It's been scientifically proven that even the light that we see from the stars in our night sky can be up to millions of years old. With this being true, it also completely discredits the very first chapter of the Bible, Genesis.

And if your story of creation has been proven to be false, how can you expect anyone to believe the remainder of your storybook?

Have you had sex before marriage?

>OP hasn't replied once
>all these faggots talking to no one.

>>583832507
>This guy can say he's a Satanist.

More like "anyone who fits my narrative that I can paint as 'bad' can be one."

>>583832776
>>But says I don't understand when I say you don't believe in Satan

Because you don't. Satan is just an archetype. You're not understanding the philosophy behind it.

>>583832902
>he is some edgelord

Hardly.

>that thinks he is better than others

I am.

>he worships something 'bad'

1. There is no worship.
2. Your definition of "bad" is childish.

What you see at malls are the surface level "Satanists". You don't see the real kind because we are secular. I could be your doctor or lawyer. Or a cop (I'm not).

We're everywhere.

>>583831994
I think we're agreeing on the matter, even if it doesn't sound like it. I've been attempting to explain that, provided the existence of God, all of reality must be contained within something larger.

My argument is this: I have no way of proving my beliefs are true, and you have no way of proving my beliefs are false. Likewise, you have no way of proving your beliefs are true, and I have no way of proving your beliefs are false. And so, we will both continue to believe whatever we want to believe. And that's okay.

>>583832769
I'm not an atheist.

She is though.

Mandingo

>>583829686
So what does that do for my questions? Religion doesn't fucking respect people or society if it's very nature is to see everyone else follow it. There will never be a time where any it will be enough for then. This is plaguing my country's government, my schools, my relationship with my girlfriend's family if it can be called that. So no. Fuck your entitlement for respect if you really believe there's no harm to come from desert death cults.

>>583832897
There's a huge difference between believing in God and being a Christian, don't you think?

God might very well exist, you can't prove it either way, but Christianity is just plain wrong, and can be proven wrong, with simple logic and common sense, or with actual science.

So yeah.. pretty sure God exists and pretty sure there are no talking snakes and we didn't originate from a single couple hellbent on incest which starts the human race 8000 years ago..

>>583817107
Give me a good one.

>>583833439
How many edges or on your fedora and trenchcoat?

>>583817107
rolin niga

>>583817107
babebebebebe

>>583817240
The Bible never states they were the only children, it simply profiled a story about them.

No one likes being good for no reason we all like the recognition and subtle rewards that are given. That's how we have been conditioned too.

like watching retards fight...everybody's gonna be throwing punches, but nothing hits

>>583817107
roloing

>>583833998
I wear neither. Though I do wear a coat if it's cold or snowing out.

But nice ad hominem.

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I come bearing keks