>>580583004 I had started with the southford pxs-14kit, but I found the tuxedo kit to be stronger and thinner and have exactly what I need, it is best though to order grips to slide onto the picks so the flat metal doesnt mess up your fingers, and order some extra tension wrench sets
>>580583450 The width is the main difference, because some locks you have to put the tension wrench in the top and some the bottom, so really the width matters for different locks. plus like with this american 5200 lock I had to cut down the tension wrench so it fits flush to make it easier to put tension on
>>580583734 the actual picks are for how much room you have inside the cylindar to pick, I just know that they have different names,. I just know of them as snake, diamond tip, half diamond tip... and there is also the "rake" also known as a bogata, it is shaped like some waves, and there are plenty of locks you can pick just by shoving it in and out really fast, I have found that those small luggage locks on suit cases are very easy to rake open, also a few cheaper master lock types can be raked open instead of picked
>>580584014 yea I also got a set of southford, it came in a nice smelling leather case, I have ordered a few individual picks that are peterson and some tension wrenches also. I mostly use either the peterson or sparrow picks. the sparrow tuxedo had everthing needed to start off with
but its a chill ass hobby though, you can just sit back while watching tv or a movie or something and just pick away, and better understand the feeling each time... but it feels great when you feel that cylinder twist, like solving a puzzle
Hey guys, I have picked dozens of locks by using different keys. But I really need to get a set I guess. I'm a poorfag and can only invest 20 euros right now. Should I get this? http://www.sparrowslockpicks.com/kick_start_p/s-0.htm
>>580586667 Locksmith here, agree with this anon. if bumping is what you are good at, do it. But I would recommend picking it (rake). If you are any good you can get on just as quickly, with a lot less noise, and tje angle harldy matters.
The way it started for me was that one time I locked myself out of my car and said to myself, "never again". After figuring out how to pop open car doors it naturally progressed to picking regular locks because fuck it, might as well know how to open your own front door in case you lock yourself out. Now it's all a puzzle game hobby for me that has the benefit of giving you the ability to break in or out of various locks/handcuffs/cars at will. Have never used my powers for evil, though have been tempted a few times because I am a goddamn human after all.
>>580588049 I own my own business, but can't work full time. I would say if you get really good, and there isn't too much competition in your area, sure, you could make a decent living off of it. if there is already a lot of competition, try working of the biggest locksmith you can find.
This is if you want to do things legit. you could make a shit load more if you are willing to risk it.... I would guess.
licensed locksmith here. 7 years experience. im in the US i use an HPC novice pick set as there isnt much it can't get into. I use a more rigid tension wrench than the one that comes in the set and mostly use the rake and once in a while a hook or diamond pick. i dont use picks on automotive, except the Lishi for some high security.
>>580588838 >HPC novice Not a locksmith but use a pick set regularly, I prefer all picks and tq wrenches. I can feel what's going on if the lighting is poor. I've been using the same cheap pick set from amazon for years(second or third set from them bending.) I prefer a hook or a rake for most standard tumblers.
>>580589478 I have only just started a couple months ago, I have picked a wide variety of master locks and luggage locks, Im still not that good at it though because I am having trouble with an american series 5200 that the army issued, but I see someone like bosnianbill do it on youtube in about 30 seconds.... I just gota get better with my feel of security pins I guess
>>580589091 buy real tools. here is everything i use on most residential and commercial locks. I don't typically pick padlocks and i don't understand why most beginners want to practice on them, the keyways are small and hard to move around in and most manufacturers use spool or mushroom pins. if you want to practice the technique buy a cheap kwikset deadbolt and hold it upright so the pins are sprung correctly (upside down or horizontally installed locks make picking a little more difficult because no gravity for the sprung pins).
>>580589718 American locks are notoriously hard to pick, its not just you. Master locks are easy-town, move on to door or deadbolt locks. Make sure if you rake a few times and get nothing, to release tension and start from scratch. If you raise the bottom pin to high it'll be right in the way of the shear line, so you'll have to start over.
>>580589476 you sound like a liar or a nigger. you should have the professionalism not to know what is in someones safe. its none of your fucking business even and especially if you were the one opening it for a customer.
>>580589967 I use a sparrow kit, I was just replying to the anon that said he could pick with paper clips, I was saying that I had tried before but could never get the right tension with paperclips or bobbi pins. I just havnt tried a door yet, only masterlocks and other locks that are cheap and easy to pick. The american series 5200 is what I am having problems with now because I have not been doing it long enough to get the feel for the security pins
>>580589091 If you are using shit like paperclips, you will need to hammer the sides flat (a tad) or it will be far too weak to pick most shit. A guess a bobby pin would be better, but you still need to bend the tip or you wont be able to pick the further ping.
>>580589874 I prefer a lighter tension, but I do have a few smaller allen keys that I have ground the sides off. That way if I need one (fuck knows why) I have some on me in my pick set (or wallet)
if you a trying to rake a pin or wafer lock open you should start from the back of the cylinder and rake forward with a technique similar to fingering a girls g spot, vary the amount of tension and dont fight the lock, submit to the universe and just relax, dont let the pressure of the situation take over. we are on a rock, floating in space.
>>580589718 I do a lot of my gain entry job at night, so getting to a point where you can open a lock by feel, in near-pitch black conditions is a must. especially if you dont want to be drawing attention to yourself. wouldn't want a nosey neighbour giving you grief because you have a torch on... While you are letting someone into their place...
I wouldn't say European locks are easier to pick. It greatly depends on the quality and complexity of the lock. Most of the times, it's cheaper to simple break the fucking lock and install a new one than to call a locksmith and have it opened.
heres a pretty cool tool/idea for going around the locking cylinder on a door that has a lever...
you hold the larger end without the wire hanging from it and slide the other end under the door and around the lever. then you pull the wire thereby pulling down the lever handle and push the door open (usually with your head lol)
>>580591056 Yup, this. Plus different countries prefer to manufacture/install their locks differently. springs pushing down can be easier pick, but the spring will last longer, springs pushing up can be harder to pick (barely) but wear out quicker, because the springs are constantly fighting gravity.
plus in that setup, since the springs are at the bottom of the lock/keyhole, the are more likely to collect dust or what ever, and jam up quicker.
I am very novice to picking so this is my goal right now, it is what we used when I was in the army. It would have been hand to know how to pick it back then instead of having to drive back to hq and sign out the bolt cutters. this 5200 is being a bastard to me until I can get the feel just right
>>580592149 its pickable. bosnianbill on youtube will pick and then guy his locks to show that it was all legit. I have taken one apart, it only had to security pins in it, and I have picked a lock that had security pin in it before, this lock is very frustrating, but I believe it is pickable
>>580592016 That should be a piece of piss. use a pick with a tiny hook on it, so you can get it past the other pins when you are working on it. back off you tension as well, a light touch should have that thing open in a matter of seconds, def. less that a minute.
>>580592429 I dont know why it is giving me such a hard time, I know master locks are very simple to picki and I have picked plenty, but this american 5200 has 2 spools and a serated pin in it, I cant get the right feel
>>580592197 they CAN google though fgt. Im on b and i know both of those things quit being a little bitch, not everyone on here is a basement dwelling neckbeard thats never touched a girl. thats just the story faggots like you constantly espouse.
>>580592517 on most of the larger vault doors i have to service there is a glass re-locker sandwiched in the door with extra bolts that are tied into the glass with metal cables. if you try to drill the door the glass would break and the sprung bolts will fire. usually it isn't possible to drill the door and then each bolt so we just cut a hole in the concrete above or below the vault and send a guy in to disassemble the lock bodies and bolts and then open the door.
The other night I was working on picking a little bit more expensive "pick resistant" master lock , on the phone with the vet telling me my dog has to be put down right when I felt the cylinder twist and picked it
>>580592575 Hmm, Ok, same technique, but before you use the hook, grab a rake with a flat back on it. Flip the rake over and use it to push all the pins to the top (you will want your springs pushing the pins downwards) Of the barrel. Apply the *absolute slightest* amount of pressure to get the barrel to turn, then slowly allow the springs to push your rake down to the bottom. Now try picking it. Do not release the tension completely at any point, or you will have to start again with the rake.
I need to find a hands on class some where, I can repeat much of what I see online and open master locks and easy locks, but I think a hands on class would help me with my tension issues and help me better with security pins
>>580594304 If you own the picks in your OP, the grab one of the light weight tension wrenches from the right.
chuck it in the barrel (still locked, no pick), then apply tiny, TINY, amounts of pressure until you see the barrel start to turn, the second it moves, and im talking less that 1 degree, thats where you want to start. If you are at the point where the barrel stops turning, but your wrench is bending, you are pushing too hard. Too much harder and you are going to start jamming/binding pins, any less and you aren't going to get anywhere.
Get out all the practice locks you have, and just try doing this on them, a few times per lock, on all your locks
there is a flat rate service call to get me, my truck/tools and experience to your location determined by the current location of the lock or locks needing service. then there is labor and parts (if needed) charged after i show up. all pricing can be offered and quoted before i show up so you can have a total in mind (that is if you know exactly what you need/want).
>>580595185 By reading a ton, practicing a ton, failing a ton, getting frustrating a ton and then after almost eating a bullet out of frustration the first plug will turn. Definitely not by asking 4chins
>>580595413 That sounds good, I have been going back over the last few locks I picked and picking them over and over again to get use to the tension feel. I also have problems with whether I should use top of the key way or bottom of the key way, I have seen people on youtube pick bottom of the key way but I cant get a good feel with the wrench right infront of the first pin
>>580595463 Frustration got to me when I first started a lot, especially after watching someone like bosnianbill on youtube pick all locks with what looks like ease..... the frustration is not as bad not because It is pretty enjoyable to be sitting their watching a movie while picking and feel that cylinder finally turn
I always have my wrench at what I am guessing you would call the top, so its not in front of the first pin. But that's just how I do it. you can get specialised wrenches that go infront of the pin, so you are turning the barrel more efficiently, but I find that if you are applying that much pressure, you have way too much tension going.
>>580596407 I would never have tried using bottom of the key way with the wrench in front of the first pin until some Youtube videos I watched, especially about the american 5200 bosnianbill says to use bottom of the key way, but it always gives me issues
>>580582867 Yeah I a picker, learned it along time ago, >>580583004 It's not expensive at all, buy a cheap kit, really the torque wrench is the only thing that matters when it comes to quality since thats where the strain is. I can do pretty much any lock except for of course the really fucked ones that are like 200 bucks made to beat them. I just do it as a hobby, and its a good skill just incase, I've helped friends who've locked their keys in their flats and shit too haha, and played good jokes on others.
>>580583437 This is pretty true it's weird, my favorite pick is actually one that's broken, for some reason it works really well the tip snapped but its bent upwards at just the perfect amount and perfect thickness to do whatever
>>580592016 I suggest starting with new locks to learn, old and highly used locks sometimes are hard to pick since they stick and so forth especially if they've been sitting around for awhile they aren't as sensitive they take more force to move pins a lot of the time
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