ITT you watch me scambait a scammer and try to get atleast $1 out of them before they realize the gig is up.
A little background - yesterday I was cleaning out my storage garage, I took a picture of my couch and advertised it on Gumtree, within minutes I had my first reply and straight away knew it was a scammer, I've got plenty of spare time and thought i'd have some fun.
I will post emails starting from this time yesterday afternoon until now as this is still going, input appreciated
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 18:34:21 +0930 Subject: From: Lfirstname.lastname@example.org To: [email protected]
Hi Amy, you are the first response since I put the ad up 5 minutes ago, yes its still for sale, it is in my storage shed in pinelands, i am there right now but the compuund shuts at 7pm. I am free afternoons if you wish to take a look.
From: [email protected] To: Lemail@example.com Subject: RE: Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 10:08:32 +0100
Hi seller,Am new to online buying and am interested in this item and do you still have it for sale?Kindly email me back now through my email([email protected])
On 14 Oct 2014 18:44, "Amy Woods" <[email protected]> wrote: Thanks for your response,Am ready in immediate purchase and how is the condition and what is the final asking price?Get back to me now so as we can proceed.
Knowing it was a scammer thought i'd raise the price, but they didn't reply so I went back to what the ad said.
Me: The condition is quite good, the final asking price is $60000.
Me: I just realized I made a mistake with the price, it is $600 sorry
Them: Thanks for mailing back,Am Okay with the price,i'm an honest and straight person and always want to be treat the same way, are you sure of the item condition? this is only what can make me to be worry, cause I will not be able to come over and look at it, i am an Marine Engineer and i am buying this item for my Aunt in oversea, i am at sea right now,and I can only pay through Paypal and you can put the Paypal charges on me because as at present, i don't have access to my bank account online,but i have it attached to my Paypal account,and this is why am using Paypal to pay,all i will need is your paypal email address to make the payments i have a pick up agent that will come for the pick up, after payments has been sorted and will also handle the paper works. Where is the exact location for the pick up? So that I can contact the pick up agent with your location to know how much it will cost me for the pick up, the pick up agent still have some other stuffs to pick up for me, I will be looking forward to hear back from you ASAP. Also, you are to get back to me with your PayPal email address with your full name as you have it on PayPal.
This is where I thought I'd start to have some fun, I hadn't thought about trying to get money off them yet but was just being a dick and playing along.
I am an honest and straight person too (as straight as a strand of hot spaghetti can be). I do not have internet where I am so I called my bank to ask about opening a PayPal account and linking it to my bank account and they said I'd need to come into the branch so I went outside to jump on my kangaroo and ride it into town to go to the bank, but what would you know, the darn things run away, probably scared off by the wombats as its mating season here (nasty little blighters they are), so I called the bank back and told them what had happened, we managed to open my account over the phone anyway so hopefully things will work smoothly now, my PayPal account is Lfirstname.lastname@example.org in the name of Ivan Milat.
The couch itself is located in my storage shed at Belanglo Forest, just passed the old quarry on Gum Tree road, number 16 to be precise, being a local I'm sure you will find it easily.
Them: Great,I got your paypal details and i will forward the pick up agent the pick up address and i will get back to you so i can make the funds to you now.
Them: Hello, I am about to send the payment to your PayPal account and as I have told you that i have a shipper that will come for the pick up of the item from you,but the shipper don't use PayPal, all they use is Western Union to pay them and i am trying to send the money online but it's not going through and I am on the sea there is no way i can find a western union agent to make the transfer to my pick up agent,so i wanted to ask if it will be OK for me to include my pickup agent's fees together with your payments through PayPal,So you will help me wire the pick up fee to them via western Union Money Transfer immediately i pay you.I don't mean to bother you I'm sure you understand that I'm presently on the sea and there is nothing i can do to that. The bottom line is after I have made the payments via PayPal,you will help me wire my pick up agent fee to them through western union money transfer,I just wanted to seek your consent before going ahead with the payments,I will be very happy if my offer is given a favorable consideration. Respond as soon as possible so that i can send out your Payment.
Me: Yes, I understand how hard it must be being at sea and I'm sure I can help you.
Them: Great,The item is moving to United State where my Uncle reside but i just want you to know that i bought some other items which the pick up agent will be picking up together with the item bought from you OK. The sum of $600 will be added to the funds that would be made to your Paypal account $550 for the pick up agent fee and $50 for the western union charges so the total amount of $1,200 will be made to your Paypal account plus the cost of the item and once you receive confirmation from Paypal then you make it to western union to get the pick up agent fee transfer to them immediately okay...I will like you to get the pick up agent fee send to them via Western Union as soon as you receive the payment confirmation in your PayPal email account.Once the funds is made to your Paypal account all the pick up agent information on where to send the money to via western union would be given to you immediately okay. Can you send me Paypal invoice so i can make the funds transfer to your Paypal account now or i should proceed with the funds to your Paypal account now.
I realise this is very standard and boring but it leads up to where I am now, trying to convince the scammer to 'verify' their account by sending me $1 to my paypal before I 'send them a western union money transfer' . . .
This is still lasts nights emails but getting closer.
Me: Yes, go ahead and send the funds to my account, let me know the details of the pick up agent and I will pay them for you as soon as I can.
Them: I have just made the payment and PayPal emailed me with the confirmation mail, funds have left my paypal account too. Check your PayPal email address below (Lemail@example.com) both inbox and junk for the Pay Pal confirmation email.PayPal said that they would be holding the money i sent because of the excess payments that i made which was the money for pick up, i will need you to proceed and Wire the excess which is $600.00 to my pick up agent to enable them make a booking for the picked up of the item. Remember that you will wire the agent fee to them via Western Union Money transfer. So please do send the $550 through western union money transfer, i include $50 as the Western Union charges.You can easily Walk into a local post office or any western union outlet around you or you make the transfer online through www.westernunion.com.au to send the money. After you have sent the money please get back to me asap with the western union details, the MTCN number which you will be given by western union after you have sent the money as well as the sender's name and address so i can forward it back to PayPal for your money to be put through or you can email it to PayPal directly,that is alright as well. Here is my pick up agent's info that you will need to send the money to through western union money transfer:
Frank Boscarino 34 Peachtree Street Lawrenceville Georgia 30043 United State..
I will need your contact address where the item will be picked up so as my agent will contact you to book a pick up time that is convenient for you after they have received payment.
Best Regards Amy Woods
Pic related, its an email they sent, Take note of the name, at this point they really believe my name is Ivan Milat! (I'm from Australia if you haven't guessed)
Me: OK awesome, this seems really easy thanks to PayPal, I didn't realise it would go so smoothly, once I receive payment to my PayPal I can go into the bank and send your agent the fees, thank you for making this easy.
Them: I want us to complete the transaction in timely manner and i also got in touch with paypal demanding that they should release funds into your account, i was told that they need to confirm shipping as they don't wanna bear any loss of money. They told me that they are using the means to protect both buyers and sellers. They further explained that they had various issues of sellers not confirming shipping and they will have to pay buyers back cos it's a kinda insured payment.Just have the money sent, get back to paypal with a copy of the western union receipt for them to confirm payment for you. Funds will clear into your account after verification which takes 24 hrs. As soon as funds clear into your account kindly send the western union info to me so that my shipper can get the item from you. I think things will work out this way. Hope to hear from you soon.
Note:I will want you to check your paypal email for paypal confirmation OK.
>>574031719 Would probably make it a bit fater, would it not?
Never used paypal or done any selling/buying items online from other people like this.. Is the scam that they want you to send the $550 to the address then they'd just pull back the $1200 they sent after you tell them you sent the $550?
pic unrelated, just wanna see if i fucked this up when i saved it
Me: On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:37 PM, <Lfirstname.lastname@example.org> wrote: OK I have received the official emails from PayPal to say that you have sent the money and that they are holding it for me, that's good news, so now I just go to the bank and wire the money using western union, it is late now and the bank is closed so I can do it first thing tomorrow. We will have this sorted in no time :)
Me this morning: Hi Amy,
I had to go to work early this morning and so will have to complete the transaction later this afternoon when I finish work, in the mean time, send me your contact number or an alternate email address as gmail keeps putting your emails into my spam folder and it is annoying and will be easier to talk by phone or alternate email.
At this point I realised I may be able to Hack into their live account, my painful attempt at social engineering to get other info failed, I still haven't been able to hack their account so anyone feel free to give it a go, I was going to use Hydra to brute force it today at work but got busy. So far I know they have a yahoo account, mobile, xbox live account and credit card attached to [email protected] no idea why they'd use an account with so much identifying info attached (bam it just hit me, they are using a stolen account)
>>574032187 yes you've got it. but they never send real money to start with, just forged emails from a server that resembles the paypal address making you think they are for real, well maybe if you were 70yrs old. . .
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Amy Woods <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Ivan, I do not have gmail account and concerning the phone number we are not allow to received or make calls is restricted ok.Once you have completed the transaction just get back to me through my email here ok.
Work is over in a few hours so I will be able to go to the bank and transfer that money to your agent soon, I have some other things for sale along with the couch if you are interested, I have a cedar coffee table for $100, a nice little carved stained timber plant stand for $50, A polished timber ten seat dining room table and buffet that I bought for $1500 but am willing to sell for $500 (if you have a big family then this is definitely for you!) lastly I have a mint collectors edition Garfield the Cat Poster, he is doing a handstand wearing a funny hat (the kids loved this growing up and will be sad to see it go) $20.
Let me know as soon as you can if you would like any of these items as I need to sell them ( I've refurnished the house recently) and I will add extra to the $550 for the agent to pick them up, if you would like them all I think $400 should cover the agents shipping fee and I can deposit $950 into the Western Union account you have given me this afternoon and you just send the extra over PayPal like you did with the first payment.
Them: No, just go ahead and send the first payment and once that is completed then i can go ahead and make another payment to you account ok. Go ahead and get the money sent now.
Me: OK I finish work in 30 minutes, just one last thing before I go, I talked to PayPal today and asked why I got the official emails saying you sent the money but I can not see it in my account, they told me that is totally normal and it is for your protection so I can't get the money until I prove that I have prepared to send the item, they understood I was a little bit worried and told me that I could ask you to send me $1 to my PayPal account just to verify and that any trustworthy person won't mind at all and it will prove the transfer will work. I know you are honest, you told me that before and I believe you, so I just need you to send $1 to my PayPal account before I wire the agents fee to him using western union this afternoon, the quicker you can do that the quicker I can send the agents fee.
Them: As have told you i have done all the necessary things to send the funds to your account but paypal held the funds and am not in possession to release the funds to your account because i also contacted them to have the funds release to your account but they told me they are only protecting both parties OK. Go ahead and get the funds sent now..
Me: Yes that is exactly what I read online and was told but they said to make sure you transfer a small amount such as $1 to my account as soon as you can and that it will go through and I will be able to see the $1 in my account then I know it is verified. I won't be transferring the money until you send me the small amount like PayPal told me to do. I will can send it back if you are worried or deduct it from the cost of the lounge?
Them: I don't think you understand me,Am not the one to let the funds show up in your account,paypal is the one to let the funds appear in your account OK. I will contact them now and also get back to you OK.
Me: Yes I do understand, with a large amount they will hold it from me, but a small amount such as $1 it will show up right away, so hurry up and deposit $1 as I am waiting near the bank now for you to do that before I send the agents fee.
Them: Hi,I have done as you requested and kindly check your paypal account and your paypal email to confirm OK.
Me: Hi Amy, I can't see the $1 in my PayPal account online yet, I'm waiting for that before i deposit money
Them: Paypal let me know now that the funds or any amount will not appear in your account until you got the money transfer to them and get back with transfer details needed and thats it, 9 mins ago was the last message, my goal is to try and convince them to really put $1 in my account, the outcome would be, I scammed a scammer out of a dollar under the pseudonym Ivan Milat, but it seems I am failing, SO it's up to you guys now, next message back to them?
>>574033596 "What the fuck do you think this is, a drug deal? No, I'm selling you a fuckin' couch for your unlce or whatever. I gotta know you're straight with me, or the dingos won't be happy. This isn't illegal or anything, so what's the hold up? It's just $1."
>>574033441 something along the lines of Amy, This is starting to get pretty frustrating, and I can't help but become suspicious. PayPal has already told me that you'd be able to add a quick $1 deposit to my account with no problems, so I have my doubts that they would tell you otherwise? At any rate, I really need to get back home so that I may start making my dinner. However, I am surely not comfortable sending the money to Mr. Boscarino if you cannot comply with a simple security request that PayPal is reassuring me of. I would very much like to help you out, but I cannot stay at the bank for much longer. Please send the $1 to my account so that I may mail the pick up money.
go ahead and edit it all ya want, i'm sure I probably fucked up 15 different times in there lel
Stone the crows, what the fuck do you think this is, a drug deal? Nah you flamin' gallah! I'm selling you a bloody couch for ya uncle Ned, Don't come the raw prawn with me, I gotta know you're straight or the dingos won't be happy! Just put the bloody dollar in my paypal already and I'll send you agent fee off in a jiffy! Tweaked it a little to sound more Aussie, send?
I am being deadly seriously right now my nan got scammed once and ever since she died her lasts words to me was "son if u ever smell something dodgy ask for a dollar to prove its not dodgy" i live by my nanas words and they are tattood to my son i realy cant go through with this if i cant trust you with no proof of one dollar
>>574034853 >person is on to the fact that my fake e-mail for $1200 might be a fake >asks for a real dollar on account that isn't on hold to make sure >so let's just slap one more dollar in the way that they're sketched out by, surely that'll work i kek'd heartily
>>574036295 Yeh she is pretty cute, I had just come out of a relationship and met "stacey" online, told her the truth, I wasn't looking for anything other than company and something physical due to heartbreak, she said she didn't mind, came over, a few days later she had a toothbrush at my house and rarely left, friends thought it was hilarious, I had a crazy Irish bird clinging to me, climbing up to my veranda to get in when I locked the front door, would get drunk and tell her i'm going out to pick up to the amusement of my friends, her work visa was running out and she had used up every other visa she had available to stay, she asked me to marry her pushing defacto paperwork already signed by her at me, I said no, I work in law enforcement and would get in shit for pulling a scam like that, told work, she got deported, I kept my job. Still do think of her sometimes, well she is inthe spank bank atleast.
Reminds me of a long investigative report on scammers. The victims were clearly functionally retarded. They fully believed every word and photo they received. Also a favorite topic on Dr Phil: lonely women who desperately want to believe the thick Indian accent on the phone that they met through a dating site is really a rich, handsome lover.
I am selling an item for $600 They get in touch and say they want to buy it, they don't need to see it and cannot make it to pick it up (why? because fuck logic) but will send me $600 for the couch plus an extra $600 so I can pay a 'removalist/agent' for them as they 'don't have access to the internet' to transfer money to the agent (wait wut? you're emailing me :S )
I give them my paypal address, they forge some emails and send it to the email account linked to my paypal so it looks like I have received $1200, (keep in mind, fake emails, they didn't really put money in my paypal)
they then give me the name and details of the 'agent' and tell me to fill out a Western Union Money Transfer (untraceable, won't see my money again)
Supposedly people believe this and send the agents removal fee through western union, some guy wearing a moustache and holding a fake ID in another country picks up the money and I never see it again.
>>574034519 it's not the dollar he's worried about, he's worried about the scam not succeeding. he's doing everything to keep the fish baited without giving up incriminating evidence that it's a scam.
i remember i had a fucking punjab call me telling me my computer has a virus. the fucking dipshit was calling from a goddamn mall or something, so it was obvious the minute he spoke that it was fraud. the fucker didn't even try.
>>574040223 kinda regretting that i didn't pretend to be something like CIA and claim i'm tracking him down. i was more upset that he insulted my intelligence rather than putting the fear of god into him. one day it'll happen again...
>>574040420 I'm sure that's just a fake email he'll drop off and never use again once he's through with you so it's pointless to make this last much longer, but for the rest of the night it would be funny
>>574041004 not necessarily, you could say you got a hacker buddy tracing his location for trying to scam you. you could mention where he lives, there's a good chance it's either india or nigeria. judging by his shitty english and attempting to explain a simple task in 900000 words, i'd wager india. could even throw in something like "you brought on the wrath of shiva cunt, i'm coming for you"
>>574041402 I chose to refrain from making empty threats earlier as I was adamant I would be able to get into his account then look up the activity log and find his real IP but that fell through, No point saying we are tracing him, they probably get that 100 times a day, just target them with obscene language, mock them, insult their intellect etc
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