>>560842061 >70k If true, that's pretty sweet. I just got out of High school, have an offer from a school district with good pay but I'll have to wait and see what happens. Other than that I do a lot of drawing.
I sell short stories and poetry to websites, magazines and anthologies. I supplement that with part time retail work and an eBay business selling action figures and comic book memorabilia. Last year all in all I earnt just short of 30,000 pounds. Like 50,000 dollars?
>>560845228 WTF team me? Got a science degree, business experience, and i'm still young. The only thing I don't have is a good job. I make 40K, but I get abused by my company. I do sales, translation, interpreting, and production... nobody does 3 jobs like that
>>560845921 Start something on the side. If you want big money you're not going to make it working in an office for someone else (unless you're one of the 0.01% who climb to executive level). That's how I did it, spent about 10 years researching ideas then developing my product on the side, saving as much money as I could before going full-time off my savings and selling out 5 years later.
>>560846727 I've started writing in a notebook when I have new ideas. However, I have no clue how to start off on my own. Still 24 and new to he work force. The first thing I found out at my job... dead end, work to death, grossly underpaid for what I do.
So I start something on the side such as what? I was thinking about learning some coding and making apps on the side.
>>560846323 It's not a living wage. I'm almost 24 and I live at home, solely because I cannot afford not to. I was just looking at affordable housing, and most of them are still going to be a bit more than half a months pay for rent, and that's in dumpy nigger areas. I don't get it.
apprentice plumber making around 12 a hour just finished high school so I'm still at home but the money seems good for someone living with their parents or lets say a group of friends I currently get around 40-46 hours weekly so the cash flow seems great for me
>>560847191 I can only speak for software ideas, but I ended up just making a "smaller" version of what my previous/first employer made, which was stuff for airline dispatchers. I knew the industry lingo, the functionality they needed, the process we used to sell to them, all that stuff which narrowed down possible competition. If you make a generic iPad app for consumers, you're competing against 200,000 other programmers who can copy you or who might have the same idea. Very few might know how to do what you learned at your employer.
Then remember there are a lot of very profitable and very large and stagnant companies that are under constant pressure to "grow" from their stockholders. They will buy even unprofitable small companies because then they have "grown." My buyer had like 100,000 employees and didn't even care that I wasn't making much, just wanted to add the product to their portfolio.
several things >work for catering service make min + gratuity + under the table tips 20 hrs a week tops about 3,500 a year >streetcorner busker make $10-$40 in a night, about 3-5 hours >network marketing affiliate current revenue: -$520 expected revenue: $0 Kids, when your friend tells you he has a great opportunity in network marketing, do yourself a favor, wish him luck, maybe even buy some shit from him... but don't agree to sell anything unless you're willing to make everyone you love hate your guts and call you an idiot.
I'm unemployed, i can find jobs easily enough but i can't keep them i am such a social spastic my employers usually 'have to let me go' after like a month or so because i don't talk to people or socialize i just enjoy my own company and for whatever reason that makes me a bad employee. Shit fucking sucks and i am 3 weeks behind on rent now about to live out of my car and be homeless at 21.
student engineering job. I do drawings for construction projects that are within my skill range and other stuff for my supervisor who is the project engineer. Not a bad job. Laid back boss. I usually work about 30 hours a week depending on how busy I am with school.
>>560842061 The only part I believe is that you work for a shitty advertising company. This unofficial survey shit is shitty and I will not help corporate america in their endeavor to provide more specific ads on 4chan. Now please fuck off and die
i just started my arborist apprentiship. only making about 35k a year right now but ill be getting bumped up real fast. schooling is paid for; amazing training; all gear given; vehicle; never will be out of work... More of you guys really should learn to do trades.
>>560851743 Working on going to college to get some kind of computer science degree. Used to be big into programming in high school, even doing shit with Prolog and whatnot, but lost touch with it when I picked up guitar.
Going back to school is tough when you have to work full time just to manage to pay the bills though. Really not looking forward to all the student loans.
>>560851789 Learn from the things you see around you, be a hard worker, fill a need that hasn't yet been filled, save for a rainy day, gamble years of your life and your savings on a start-up company.... this isn't a big conspiracy /b/ro.
>>560851789 The buyers will almost certainly have a non-compete clause. Mine was three years. Also if yours is a product company it's hard to re-create the same product without infringing on the intellectual property they bought from you (because of course you knew their confidential information) and I think you'd risk a lawsuit.
Maybe a service company though. But serial entrepreneurship, yea, it's a good way to get filthy rich. Take the millions from your first sale and use it to fund your next company and keep 100% ownership. And on and on.
I don't really want to be a wizard, I'd rather just get women that aren't fat or ugly. Usually the girls my friends try to set me up with are butt ugly, fat or really, really stupid. I find it pretty insulting, it's like they think I shouldn't get hot women just because I am socially retarded.
>>560855260 No fucks should be given, that's so autistic I would smile and leave. It's like getting yelled at by an autistic girl with drool on her chin, while she's in a wheelchair just trying to stay alive for 5 more minutes.
>>560854347 >mfw I got kicked out of school for my knife >I did theater tech crew, literally everyone carried a knife >not illegal bc private military school >dat zero tolerance policy >deja vu When I make my start up, everyone will carry a knife. Even the programmers.
Why do you say that? Social skills have nothing to do with dating attractive people. Most of /b/ are misogynistic, prattling fat losers compared to a man like me. I'm a damn gentleman and a scholar. Supremely so, I might add.
>>560854669 If you mean getting around a non-compete clause by starting a company in someone else's name, I wouldn't mess with that. They'll find out and the sales contract would be void. They'd probably get to keep your product and you'd owe back the money. Much easier to negotiate a shorter non-compete term and just vacation for a couple years waiting for it to expire while enjoying your new wealth.
>>560854051 Accountant here but I mostly talk and type all day, not much real accounting anymore. $70k/yr doing tax resolution but I don't break 40 hrs/wk most of the time. Self employment's great once you get things set up right.
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>>560855605 That's pretty much how it was. Director: We have a zero tolerance policy, I'm going to have to put you on suspension. >i'm fired And I'm going to have to confiscate the knife. >nope.exe >walk to car >you just lost a good employee
>be 25 >be year 2013 >looking into new fields of work >investments/commissions >hminteresting.batt >idea of not working for salary intrigues me >poke my head into real estate investment >most stressful, emotionally-destroying year of my fucking life >long story short >make $724,000 >buy house >move in, rent rooms to friends >live ultra-cheap >able to work freelance acting >chill, easy, fun work >2014 made maybe 7k so far >mfw
>>560856628 Oh and also I'm head of products development in Central America and Mexico for a german group 45k entirely taxfree as I am an expat. It's not much in absolute but here it's more than enough. They also pay my rent and I have a great insurance so it's not too bad. I love my job and would do it for less anyway.
>>560842061 >Produce Clerk at a big chain super market in Canada >Safety Committee members >Display designer for upcoming sale weeks >Bank extra hours coming in on days off to work on production (salads, veggie/fruit trays, catering) >40-60 hours a week >$15.37 an hour >$2,000 each pay period >no gf so more disposable income(dont spent money anyways) >living in a cheep apartment with my buddy we can easily afford >sitting on $25,000 in the bank with more means of spending it
Dunno if I should go back to school, by the time id be done school id be making $20 an hour working and easy as fuck job where ive got alot of bros to work with and I like the people in the community
>inb4 "huuur trying to justify working a shitty job"
Most days I actually look forward to going to work, chatting with buddies and regulars that come in. Meeting all sorts of new people and making connections and new friends. I cant see my self doing anything else.
>>560856748 Of course I have the skills to do more than that, am certified and all that, but that seems to be the most common calls we get because the shitty company is too cheap to hire more people. We usually take more than 40 calls per day per tech.
>>560856941 FFS girls aren't economically rational agents trying to maximize their profit by getting a good catch... You have pretty much the same view about life than said Eliott.
Women aren't some alien creature from Uranus or trophy you earn when you complete your quest or cumulate 50 points of charisma.
I don't know what crap you have been reading and what your experience is with women or human in general but you do not base a healthy relationship on trying to fulfill some checklist of prerequisite. DO you hang out with your friends because they are rich/popular? Do you spend time with them only because they can improve your opportunities in this world? nope you do so because you have a good time and fun.
Same goes for women, believe it or not but being an interesting and fun to be around person is the #1 skill to pick up women. Sure good looks, money, fame etc. definitely helps; but women will prefer a funny 6/10 loser to a boring millionaire. Of course if you are REALLY ugly that's turn off for everybody, but even if girls are harsh in their criticism and scale they actually will settle with something very low on their scale if the "fun" requirement is met.
Ever seen a fat manlet dating a women way out of his league? There you go
The number of retarded autists we get on the phone is stunning though.
The worst are the ones in the legal department because they feel obligated to tell you how to fix their computer despit calling you for help in the first place.
Fuck off you crazy burnt-out cunt, if you already knew how to fix your PC why the fuck did you waste me time by calling us? Oh, that's right, because you don't know jack-shit and are just pretending to know more than I do so you can feel better about your soul-destroying, miserable job.
>>560842061 I repair cellphones for people, ordering parts from china, make a good hatched out of that, its not registered company, so no tax. While I take tax payer money being home "sick" till further adue, I make about 2500 euros a month
>>560858598 do you monetize your apps via advertising at all? I've got no source but I may have heard that free apps make more money than paid apps do, due to ad revenue and the increased amount of users that use free apps over pad ons.
>>560856025 Look, i just gotta say, you are a total faggot and your lack of experience with ladies shows. Social skills are how ugly ass dudes get hoss ass babes who rock. Not having social skills is how great men end up dying alone.
Your usage of terms like 'manlet' and 'pick up' suggests to me that you are a beta that reads too much PUA. That shit doesn't work in the real world. Women are attracted to good looking, successful and athletic men. Same as men are to young and sexy women.
If you think being a good person and 'funny' will get you hot women, please proceed to prove me wrong.
>>560842061 i'm legally insane and classified as "Seriously Mentally Ill" with Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder. this was all rigged by my mother and some weird psychotherapist who i refused to talk to--walking out of the house--and then suddenly the government decides to give me like 20k retroactive and a figure that comes out to a little more than minimum wage but isn't taxed so it's like making 20k a year after taxes for nothing. that psychotherapist died 4 months ago so i'm off the hook for ever having to see him again and i don't have to report or take meds; i'm just "insane" and get free money. it's cool though because i'm a college junior doing very well with 2 associate's and 2 certificates and i'm in the honor society and it's all paid for and i have my own 2 bedroom house, 2 cats, own a 2002 car and everything is paid for and i get a 160/wk allowance. once i get that 100k job in 3 years, i'll lose my SSI benefits and medicare but that'll be fine.
>>560857516 It requires you to practically give over your soul. If you really want to do it, here's the gist:
>research the fuck out of your market for months on end >find investors >find a solid realtor(preferably a friend who won't ass rape you on commission) or become one yourself >find contractors for every trade, or start a partnership with a GC >buy homes on short-sale/default/below nearby comps >renovate/repair to comp standard >sell as quickly as fucking possible to avoid mortgage payments
Again, it's one hell of a fucking ride, but there is a fuck ton of money to be made.
honestly bud, you need to be an interesting cultured individual
I play rec dodgeball and volleyball, I go on reddit and learn shit about the world, i know what concerts and festivities are going on in my city, I can talk hockey and nfl with people, i watch movies and shows so I can talk to ppl about them etc..
You gotta be a prety cool guy, who has a good crew of friends. All the girls I dated were really good friends of mine who i met through mutuals, and they liked me for who I was.
Where I come from, men who are confident in themselves, athletic, financially well-off and decent looking get the best looking women. Maybe where you are from the popular guys with 'social skills' get all the women.
But that leads me to ask where are you from? Most women do not list social skills on a list of preferred traits. However good looks, money, athleticism, height and intelligence are all listed on most lists. That and confidence.
What other people think of you matters very little compared to how you regard yourself. That's what confidence is. It has nothing to do with your ability to integrate into society. Plenty of 'faggots' and 'autists' as you call them get hot wives or girlfriends.
>>560842061 Making and delivering your mother fucking sandwiches at Jimmy John's, niggas. 8.25 an hour plus tips, faggots, eat my dick. Can't beat this shit. Also, soon going to be pulling in a few grand a month from National Guard.
The number of friends you have and popularity have nothing to do with how hot of women you can get. They're independent factors. Hot women date hot men, or rich or athletic men. It's really that simple. People generally date within their league
Sorry man but any idiot can have a girlfriend. It doesn't mean much. ER didnt' date because he was
a) Insane. b) Batshit insane c) A malignant narcissist d) Had unrealistic standards e) Was a whiny little b*tch
Where I am from women like men that are... Well, let me summarize what my female friends tell me:
-Honest -Respectful/Loyal -Financially secure (yeah, they care about money who doesn't?) -Tall/Athletic -Good looking -Reasonably intelligent (usually the smart girls cared about this most) -Confident in himself
The words popular and social skills never came up. Being able to hold a conversation is important. But having lots of friends will not get you hot women. I promise you that, at least not on its own.
>>560842061 My office flies the NOAA weather satellites. I'm on the product end...scientific programming and analysis. Pretty good gig, but $55k in DC doesn't go very far and every person I give a shit about is in Minnesota/Iowa. I'm peacing to the Midwest once my company has an appropriate opening.
>>560860229 >you need to volunteer or something how bout volunteering himself to apply for jobs
>you'll find something you like in all reality it would come down to him finding girls to hit on
>Best advice is community college for a subject you may be interested in. that will get your foot in the door or set him back. i know dozens of people who did that and they are now in their early 20s in debt working minimum wage jobs with nothing to show on a resume.
>>560859159 lel'd Sorry I probably spend too much time making fun of the roidfags on /fit/
I know of this because of first hand experience. Dated plenty of chicks since junior high and fucked my way through college. But that would be a bit hard to "prove" to you right now. Not that I even care about my e-penor.
Of couse girls are attracted to good looks, and on a lesser scale to money and success. If you are a famous DJ or an holywood actor you can pretty much fuck whoever you want. But for the regular joe, only good looks is definitely not enough if you are a weird socially inapt autist. If you can't make conversation, have her laugh and keep her entertained being a millionaire won't help (or if it does she's a gold digger and that's even worse).
Not sayan that you can date Nicole Kidman if you are a ugly stand up comedy actor. Being funny is definitely not enough on its own. But same goes for the other qualities you mention, just being rich won't get you proper relationships, same as just being beuatifu won't bring you the girl of your dream if you just stand there awkwardly and only make comment about how your redneck mum thinks the world should go.
funny overweight > atheist millionaire with fedora
Of course, having "social skills" PLUS being rich and beautiful tremendously increases your chances.
Around here (New Zealand), women go for athleticism first and charm/social skills second. Being physically fit - not ripped, sculpted or tall - just like you actually run and lift once in a while - to attract them, then say some funny/insightful shit, get 'em laughing and go from there.
And be into interesting hobbies - nerd stuff like card or video games will instantly turn off a NZ woman.
Got a job a pharmaceutical/healthcare company in the NMR department with my BS in biochemistry, pay is ~50k USD. However, I turned it down to go to grad school for organic chemistry. Not sure if this was a good decision.
Prove there is a correlation between popularity and the attractiveness to women. Seriously that's all PUA bullshit meant to sell books to pathetic fat men on the net, boys.
The vast majority of women prefer financially well-off, confident, tall, athletic and good looking men. You need to improve yourself if you want the best women out there. Lie to yourselves and say "But I'm a good guy" or "But I'm funny" or "People like me". It might all be true, but it's irrelevant for getting the best tail out there.
>>560860123 i disagree, they are dependent factors. and i think most people date like-minded people. yeah a girl can date a guy to latch onto him for his wealth and kindness, but on the other hand a girl could date a guy who is a hard working low payed person as she is.
>>560842061 $35/hr for contract software development. I could do a lot better but the thought of committing myself to another business makes me feel sick, sometimes physically. Contract work is an acceptable compromise for now and the pay's still decent.
Confident men don't need friends or popularity, because they don't give a sh*t what anyone thinks about them. Popularity and social skills do not always go hand-in-hand with confidence in yourself. Women are attracted to confidence.
I know plenty of guys that are the life of the party, and they are usually not that lucky with women.
A lot of hotter girls have something going on though in their lives, like a couple of rec sports, playing at local jams and concerts, or just going out a lot to local events or something extra curricular and social. I only know one cute gamer girl who has little motivation and just plays CoD and Animu shit with her other friends / bf
>They're independant factors
How a women looks doesen't seem to have a hell of a lot of correlation with who they are as a person. I've seen a lot of ugly bishes have horrible personalities and some that I've clicked with, same with 9's. In fact my last gf was probably an 8 - 9 and we had a wonderful 2 years together
I think a lot of /b/ havent met enough girls (especially after high school) to realize this.
>>560859076 And yes, lately Free apps easily make more than paid apps. But usually through In-App Purchases, not ads. Well, Ads are probably best on Android. Android users are cheap bastards, and won't pay for anything.
>>560861627 >>560861667 This is a fucked up world where somone who says a video game should be something different makes 3 times as much as somone who risks their life every day to selflessly save people. I bow to you firefighter
Well it does make me happy because I've been doing it pretty much my all life. >not fit >average looks >had no money until very recently >lost virginity at 14 with a 18yo >fucked literally dozens of chicks in college including cheerleaders
>>560861597 exactly, people can get set on a certain path but when it comes to specifics, such as their classes in this case they fuck up. and yes these people i knew didn't ever look out of their own town.
The thing is "leagues" aren't determined by how many Facebook friends or how popular you're perceived. I have a lesson for you, kid. And I hope you're listening.
The world doesn't care about me. It doesn't care about you either. It was here long before us, and it'll be here after we're dust blowing in the breeze. The key to confidence and communication is realizing that people don't give a sh*t about you, they care about themselves and their interests. You can carry on a conversation with 90% of women, hot or not, by talking about them and what they are interested in. And by simply not criticizing or condemning anyone. Women are attracted to interested, positive men. Helps if you have the height/body/money, obviously.
90% of the crap out there for PUA is worthless garbage. Anyone that thinks they can get "any woman" is an egotistical douche. I'm a virgin, but that's mostly been by choice. Haven't found the right woman yet.
Sure I play D&D and shit, but I work out a lot too and play sports. Women like confident, athletic men. Way more than they like a guy that can crack a good joke, because in the end women want what men want and that's to f*** and have an easy life.
>>560861591 Investors can be found online. Alternatively, you can speak with anyone you know in real estate to see if they know any. Or worst case, go to a few real estate offices around town and ask the receptionist if you could discuss investment properties with any of the realtors or of she knows anyone you can contact.
The two most difficult parts of doing this are finding an investor who won't fuck you in the ass with his terms, and finding contractors who will show up to do the work in a timely manner and do the work properly.
Investors won't buy the houses themselves and fix them up because it is not worth their time. If they can afford to give someone a 100-500k investment, they don't want to do the shitty legwork that you will do. They just want to profit off of it.
>>560842061 Unemployed for the last 4 years, not likely to ever get in to the field again. Boring as fuck, and unless you're the type who yearns for a corner office and underlings, there aren't many other avenues for people like me who like the technical aspects of the job but not the meetings and shit.
>>560860630 You are being ass-raped and your boss is laughing at you. $110K is the minimum salary in DC/NoVa for even a programmer from India who can't get anything to compile. You either have a criminal record or there is something else going on, because no scientific programmer there makes that little.
>>560863147 Lots of gaming. I was unemployed for 2 years, and just got this job about 3 weeks ago. The side things have paid the phone bill, and now the job will finally let me start doing other stuff.
I've already been told that my hours will go up and I have a promotion already in line, so I'm not too worried.
Think about it this way, you might get to know a lot of people, but the ones that you chill out with all the time are going to be a much smaller group.
Things have to be a two way street, If a girl keeps asking for favors or shys away from hanging out often, I just say fuck it after a bit - she made that call after I reached out a couple of times (and verified shes wasn't just too shy or w/e)
I've actively asked about 15 ish girls out, none actually panned out for more than a week for various reasons, but the 3 girls I've dated fell into place because we were good for each other
Okay so I'll sum it up a bit before this derails too much
>IM AN AUTISTIC 27YO VIRGIN >IM MAD BECAUSE I CAN'T GET HOT GIRLS AND EVERYBODY TELL ME ITS BECAUSE IM AWKWARD AS FUCK BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THEM >"wow dude maybe you should take a look intot that, being rich and beautiful is important, but it's worthless if you are a fedorafag or a foul bachelor >OMG YOU KIDS READ TOO MUCH PUA, IF YOU THINK YOU CAN "PICK UP GURLS" WITH YOUR FUN SIDE GOOD LUCK IN LIFE >never said that, also I have a girlfriend >WHATEVER I KNOW FOR SURE WHAT GIRLS WANT, EVEN IF THEY DONT LET ME APPROACH WITHIN 5M. MY 27 YEARS OF BEING A VIRGIN ARE VERY HELPFUL IN THIS MATTER. ALSO I LIVED IN HIKKIKOMORI-COUNTRY >seriously dude, if you want to be fitter and work hard to be sucessful in life it's great, just saying that you should also work on your people skills as they are important >OMG THE NUMBER OF FRIENDS YOU HAVE ON FACEBOOK ISNT CORRELATED TO THE NUMBER OF WOMEN YOU DATE >...
Just completed my first year in sales, moving in from the warehouse. I make 40k now, maybe 3k in commission from January until now, and my 8k raise kicks in September first. Job sucks dick, but in my part of tx the cost of living is low....probably from the nigs.
I sell weed, uppers, downers, and psychedelics the pay varies but is tax free so thats a plus today i made about $100 it was slow but hey all i had to do is meet druggies im also only 18 and live with my parents so i dont have many expenses
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