>>559828402 >what you think comes after death. Nothing. >what you hope / wish comes after death Dunno really. An ETERNITY anywhere would fucking suck even harder than ceasing to exist forever, so "heaven" sounds like shit. Not sure what other "options" there are to choose from. >what you are afraid comes after death Probably an eternity anywhere (doesn't matter if it's heaven or hell), you would go mad eventually and then it wouldn't be fun anymore.
>>559828640 Yeah, i know how you feel! I dont understand people wishing for immortality. Dont they realize how fuckinh long 1000 years are? Or that theywill have to float through space for millions of years after the sun dies?
>>559828402 >what you think comes after death. DMT is released when you die so i think your mind captures those brief moments and your relative time lasts forever. >what you hope / wish comes after death anything I want really, like a sandbox or some and a what if machine that i can say "what if..." and it would show me or a replay of everything that happened on earth so i can witness everything just crazy shit >what you are afraid comes after death Christian Heaven/Hell just seems dull and very unrealistic and if that was the case i would be depressed
>what you think comes after death. Some sort of last vision/last "life experience" >what you hope / wish comes after death An existence of total bliss with absolutely no negativity. >what you are afraid comes after death Nothing, or a repetition of life (Hell), or being reincarnated into a non sentient being.
>what you think comes after death. Rebirth or nothing >what you hope / wish comes after death All your friends are with you as whatever age they wish to look like, Everyones happy and shit kinda like heaven even though I don't believe in it >what you are afraid comes after death Limbo
I've been going on 2 theories for a really long time:
1. You arrive in purgatory where a spiritual being/entity is in charge of reviewing your life and your decisions with you. They tell you that, knowing what you know, you're going to be reborn again. But you have to make a decision: Do you want to be reborn knowing all the things that you currently know? Do you want to keep your memories, everything you know and hold dear, all your love and all your hate? In which case, you have a secondary choice: Do you wish to live again as a newborn or to simply "wake up" from this "dream" knowing that you have a chance to start over from when you should have died?
Or do you want to restart? Do you want to be reborn, as you were, ignorant to all the truths of the world?
2. You simply ARE just reborn. No collection of everything. But you AREN'T you again. Suddenly you're a dirt poor African child. Or you're a wealthy aristocrat in another era. It doesn't matter. You simply "wake up" so to speak, and as if you never knew anything else.
>>559828402 >>what you think comes after death. Nothing really. It's gonna suck. Good thing I'm spending my time here well on /b/ lel >>what you hope / wish comes after Go someplace nice. Be able to traverse the universe. Relax. >what you are afraid comes after death death Limbo/hell sort of thing. Seeing Jesus and realizing THOSE FAGGOTS WERE RIGHT.
I dont understand why people are afraid of experiencing nothing, you dumb faggots dont understand that experiencing nothingness is completely different to just closing your eyes and seeing black for eternity. Have you ever been knocked out? The time between blacking out and waking up is the experience of nothingness, complete void, true nothingness. If i were to descrivbe nothingness, i would say that it feels the way you felt before you were born. You guys are retarded to think that you will still be conscience and able to think once you die.
>>559830636 Nothingness doesnt equal being conscience and seeing black. Thats like saying when you die the only difference is you cant move and you cant open your eyes, thats not death thats not even a coma. Nothingness is unconscienceness, and being unconscience is not being able to think what so ever, the complete inability for your brain to function. If death is just a dark room of conscienceness, then why dont we remember any of the eternity we experienced before we were born? Because we arent conscience beofre we're born and we wont once we die. Once you die itll be like you werent even born in the first place.
I believe you wake up in a giant theatre with everyone you ever met. doesnt matter if they were a family member or a random person you walked by one the street that one time you went to disneyland, they are all there. the main event is an entire screening of your life from the moment you were conceived to death. every thought, sense, and moment will be relived with you and the audience while you wait for reincarnation.
I have a unique view on death. It is belief that in our life we die multiple times. And each time we die per se, an alternate timeline occurs without us. For example, one day you could be working and experience extreme chest pains, the pain builds and builds, until it stops very anti-climacticaly. This is the point in which a death occurs. Infact i belive this only stops when we reach a point were it is impossible to avoid death. For example old age, or some sort of death due to health.
>>559828402 One >You've just died, but you're given a way to analyse your life in depth and out of the many decisions you've made in your life, you get to alter ONE and then live your life onward again from that altered decision. (obviously with only memories of your life up to that point) >The butterfly effect would keep everything ncie and varied, not that anyone who's living a similar life to the previous one would even know and/or give two shits. >If you die "tragically young" and decide to fuck Darwinism, then just go back a minute before you died and DON'T try and limbo under a train or whatever the fuck and live your boring old stupid life etc. >Or if maybe you've grown old with your highschool sweetheart, died and always wished you'd fucked your best friends sister instead of going on that date with her, go do that! and accidentally knock her up and go live a completely different (and probably miserable) life paying child support and barely eating.
Or Two (this one is for those starving African motherfuckers) >just reroll and hope the water where you live isn't dirtier than your black third-world ass.
obviously I don't believe any of this shit. it'd just be nice. I think I'll decide to kill someone I hate in my next life, I'll join a prison gang or something.
>>559828402 Nothing, it ends.. we only exist because of chemical reactions and electric impulses. Once these stop, you stop. You become nothing, you experience nothing, you are nothing. Life is fleeting. Every second you spend on /b/ is a second less of your pathetically short existence. We're all retarded for sitting here instead of exploring earth, instead of becoming the best us that we can be, instead of findthing new things to experience.
>>559831725 There's a story built around this In which, instead, your counsousness constantly goes to realities in which you can survive. Got cancer? A cure is found! Old age? Anti-aging technology gets good enough to keep that at bay Basicly you survive until it's literally impossible to. But every moment you make a decision, it could lead to death, if so it makes you less likely to survive. The less likely you are to survive, the more strange the world gets, the faster technology will be developed which will save you. Based on this, the more life threatening situations you put yourself in, the quicker technology will advance in your subjective view of the world I forgot what the story is called just Google like "unlikely technology suicide book" or something similar you'll probably find it
Eternity is only as meaningful as time, which is not necessarily existent beyond this universe. Personally I think your consciousness expands to the "point" where you are aware of everything at once, from quanta to the superstructure without the meta-universe. From this perspective, time and consciousness are irrelevant.
>>559835281 Thought of this and thought it was interesting. The only problem is that only YOU can test it. If someone else tested it, you'd just see someone kill themself. But if you're wrong, you just end up killing yourself
The Ubermensch lives their life so that they would gladly look forward to the eternal return of their entire life, dying and their life replaying exactly the same way, including all of their suffering, forever.
>>559829679 >anything I want really, like a sandbox or some and a what if machine that i can say "what if..." and it would show me or a replay of everything that happened on earth so i can witness everything just crazy shit
that would be based, to see where your ancestors came from, what was on earth before us etc etc.
>>559828402 >What do you think comes after death? Honestly? I don't know. Tip your fedoras at me if you will, but I can guarantee you don't know the answer either. No one does. Not even maybe the dead, since we have no real proof they are in another place to begin with. But it is because of this that I have sparked a pretty big interest in death, I wonder what exactly will happen after all the parts in your body shut down, what you experience, what you feel, and what comes next. I would add more here, but the third question will be better fit for what I'll say.
>What do you hope/wish comes after death? You know again, I don't know. I think I would like the afterlife to just be like, the ultimate lucid dreaming experience, where you can just like make your own personal heaven, or just wish anything into existence, do whatever you want and when you get bored, change it up. You could probably even shut yourself down when you're bored in a few thousand years. The only problem with this is that essentially, you would be the only intelligent lifeform there, all the other people in it would just be fake, projections of your imagine or whatever since it is a dream. So I'm not sure.
>What are you afraid comes after death? I don't know. I am not really that scared of the unknown really. Linking back up to my first response, I am fascinated by understanding and finally receiving the true answer to the question no one so far has; What comes next? Is there really an afterlife? Do we go rot in the ground? Is there just a pitch black for all eternity? Do we lose all consciousness? I don't know any of the answers to these questions, and that is intriguing. I don't really have anything to be scared of, what would be the point in fearing the unknown? Also because of this I have a very strange view on survival; if the time comes and I know death is coming for sure and nothing can stop it, I'll just submit. I'll accept my fate. (cont)
>>559828402 >what you think comes after death. Probably nothing >what you hope / wish comes after death Reincarnation based on how well you stuck to honest moral values having been self-decided upon your own judgement. >what you are afraid comes after death Hell or being a ghost
>>559836345 (cont) I imagine that I actually won't submit all that easily to death when the time comes, I'll be fighting to my very core, such is the nature of hardwired survival instinct. But when that time comes, I'll be prepared and ready to face the unknown. Call me edgy and emo if you want, but it's just how I am.
when you die, your physical atoms will sink into the earth. when the earth is destroyed and you are turned to carbon, your physical remaining atoms will float through space, mixing and mingling with everything else in the physical universe. then after an incomprehensible amount of time which you will not consciously experience, your atoms will exist through another entire chain of galaxies, worlds, and evolutions ultimately making you alive again in ways that you have never imagined, all in less than the blink of an eye.
>what you think comes after death. nothing >what you hope / wish comes after death Our mind remins the same and we reborn again as someonw ealse but each 2turns your mind get erased >what you are afraid comes after death nothing
>>559831095 this shit sounds fake as fuck. How did you get into a OOBE for 7 years?. Also, there is no way you could remember it, because there is no memory oob, a mind can not even process the oobe, thinking of it, remembering it or imagine it, is, by nature, the opposition of OOB. Also who the fuck would believe a person that has experienced an OOBE would actually be in /b/?
>Think Nothing >Hope Nothing. After a long life of being stressed and doing things, having literally no meaning or worries whatsoever via not existing would be such a relief. Like infinite sleep. >Afraid Of Honestly, something. It'd be cool to just live a fulfilling life and then be unconscious forever.
I think I make choices. Suppose I CAN make choices.
If this was the first time, I would be making choices. If it was any other time, I wouldn't be making choices. I already made my choices the first time. So the difference is the first time I made my choices, and after that I have to live with my choices forever. Unless I still make choices in the later times, I just happen to make the same exact choices because of who I am.
But suppose I only THINK I make choices but I really don't. The first time I think I'm making choices but I'm not, it's all deterministic. Every time after that I also THINK I'm making choices but I'm not.
But suppose The Devil has trapped me in a world where I THINK I make choices but I really don't, the whole world is on rails and I'm only a passenger. The ride is the same every time. In that case, is there an escape?
I have three theories of what happens. 1. You become a God. You can start to do everything you want. Live any possible scenario you want. Maybe you want to live an incredible week in which all the amazing people you met are together and are good friends with each other and do everything you all love, drugs, drinking, hookers, partying, everything, with no repercussions. Or finding the perfect person and experience that for as long as you wish, and if you want you can forget that it is not real, but you have to wait it out completely.
2. What if smart people are the ones who's soul is very old and has seen very many things and learned very many things, and idiots are young souls, and you simply get reincarnated, the older the soul, the smarter?
3. You become a ghost. You can't interact with anyone, although you are free to roam everywhere you wish. Different galaxies, different universes, learn everything, travel in time, see what really happened in our history, see aliens, learn their history and so on.
>>559828402 I hope/wish i unlock godmode after i die, get to live infinite life again with god mode on, can fly shoot fire etc, all people are the same/act the same unless i want other wise. For the rest of eternity i would walk the streets naked gettin my dick sucked and fucking who i want in plain sight of the public
What im afraid of? Nothingness, the athiest belief that when your dead your dead nothing more after that you were never aware you existed
What i believe? That we are all part of this universe, there is the same amount of energy at the universe at one given time. You are just a part of the universe observing itself. When you die your energy is transferred into the next living thing. So pretty much re incarnation
What do you think the soul/consciousness is, if it exists at all?
Matter cannot be created or destroyed, so what leaves when you die?
Do you think the belief in "reincarnation" is actually just a belief in the soul/consciousness moving from one body to the next? If you think about it, all matter is recycled on this Earth. You could be drinking the same water today that was rain once evaporated from the smallest pond in Africa. You could be eating a steak that fed on grass that was fertilized by the bodies of 12 dead hookers.
Some people believe consciousnes precedes matter, that consciousness is the most fundamental thing there is.
Others believe matter precedes conscousness, that dead dumb matter can "wake" up and realize it's matter. But it's hard to figure out how something like a table could become aware. Could all the matter in an inanimate object be randomly rearranged until it became aware?
But scientists have found that electrical stimulation of the claustrum in the brain can turn off consciousness.
>Counter-intuitively, Koubeissi's team found that the woman's loss of consciousness was associated with increased synchrony of electrical activity, or brainwaves, in the frontal and parietal regions of the brain that participate in conscious awareness. Although different areas of the brain are thought to synchronise activity to bind different aspects of an experience together, too much synchronisation seems to be bad. The brain can't distinguish one aspect from another, stopping a cohesive experience emerging.
I believe in an Afterlife. I have no evidence of it but I believe in it.
I hope that whatever comes in the afterlife gives me peace.
I'd be afraid that whatever comes in the afterlife leaves me without satisfaction.
The best possible outcome would likely be reincarnation. Think about existence and think about your mind and mine.
At a certain point we all yearn for new experiences and those experiences are limited. At a certain point the atoms in the universe can come together in a set number of ways. Even if we lived forever we would eventually do everything once and then again for the memory and then be left with nothing to do after that.
Reincarnation solves the equation.
You can now relive the same moments multiple times like they were brand new. Your first kiss, the first taste of your favorite meal, the first orgasm, the pleasure of hearing your favorite song, the wonder of a piece of art.
You can effectively relive every wonderful moment as much as you'd like.
Beyond that point you can come back and discover new things you didn't like the first time. I'm allergic to bananas and I hate them. Imagine coming back and bananas are now your favorite fruit.
Ultimately I feel like we just experience things and these experiences are the meaning of life. Just like you play video games for new experiences, we are literal embodiments of experience.
Here's a fun little thought experiment for ya'll to consider when thinking about the nature of death.
Being dead will be exactly what is was like before you were born. Do you remember what happened before you were born? Nope? That's because you were nothing, and upon death you will once again become nothing.
>>559842750 Hate this argument commonly spouted by atheists against religifags. Of course being dead and nothing won't be particularly scary, you won't know, but being alive now and knowing one day we won't get to experience life anymore is unsettling for a lot of people.
what i believe is that are we matter or do we?? i believe to put it simple every single person has christ in them in the sense he is half of you "one half of you is you. the other half is jesus" no joke i may have broke a wall in what i attune to as reality by being blunt with things and being cold turkey from pshycoactive drugs like weed...its as if my loved one was tooken over by jesus and i was in complete synchronicity with them... as if he really was there..id love to believe in a heaven . as for hell ive had a beautiful life and still young if it were in anothers hands to wear id went.. i guess id follow the one being loving enough to decide it for me
>>559842782 >be about 9/10 >laying on top of bunk bed >late at night not sure how late but parents are in bed >end of bunk bed where i have my head is where door to bedroom is >door is open so i can see straight out into the hall way >end of hall way turns to the right so basically i can see the first half of the corridor but then it turns at a right angle >coming from the right turn into my view of the first half of corridor about 2ft high off the floor i see a white stick figure slowely poke out >pokes about 8 or so inches out then retreats about 4 inches or so >repeats this 2-3 times >retreats back from my sight >goes >lay there frozen with fear not sure how long probably half hour >eventually get the balls to scream for parents >'MUM!MUM!MUM!' >repeat 2 mins till i get response >mum comes i tell her >bullshit anon you just had a bad dream go back to sleep >to this day i tell her it wasent a dream it was a 2spooky4me ghost
Also pic non related, its what i see everytime i take drugs i trip asif im falling through the middle
An increased concsciouness at an atomic level - your "soul" or what makes you you breaks away with each atom that leaves you and eventually your consciousness spans the entire universe and is just as infinite and everything is just... Awesome
>what you are afraid comes after death
I can't decide if hell (fiery torment in the dark) or nothingness is worse. Nothingness seems like a waste worse than hell.
>>559842750 The only empirical research we can draw about matters of consciousness and of the mind is through our own experiences. As our conscious thinking is an inherently immaterial thing.
Therefore, the only experience we can possibly draw about death is before we were born:
1.Death is nothingness. 1a. We cannot scientifically research into nothingness as it is essentially immaterial. 1b. Therefore, we must draw on experiences of nothingness. 2. Before we were born we were nothing. 2a. Therefore, before we were born is the closest experience we can drawn to death. Therefore, 3. Being dead will be exactly what is was like before you were born. 4. Death = nothingness.
I know this argument is horribly conveyed, but I'm tired as fuck.
I think that I'll just stop existing when I die. That's all there is to it. I'd like to believe in some kind of afterlife, maybe one you could choose what to be reincarnated as. If God exists, and there ends up being a hell, I'll be tortured for eternity for choosing not to follow God.
>>559844283 Well of course. I'm no fan of Cartesian Dualism, as it implies our consciousness stems from a theological god-given ability. But there is that separation between the material world and the immaterial world our minds are able to imagine and comprehend.
Although our minds are wholly made up of the biological matter which we are made of. We have that ability to comprehend and think beyond the material world. Therefore, it is something separate from the material world.
What's so bad about this? If you dont have no conciousness what does it matter? It's not like you can think or feel or anything like that. You just simply stop being. I believe this may be the thing that there is when you die. It doesnt sound bad at all to me.
>>559828640 >Nothing. >what you hope / wish comes after death Dunno really. An ETERNITY anywhere would fucking suck even harder than ceasing to exist forever, so "heaven" sounds like shit. Not sure what other "options" there are to choose from.
This! Fucking this, i cant imagine anything more soulwrenching than the thought of living for eternity.
>>559844125 My argument has nothing to do with meta-ethics. I'm merely arguing the nature of death. It is a dangerous thing to combine ethics into the study of reality, as it will essentially limit the scope of which we are able to consider of reality. As some parts of it will be essentially cordoned off as no-go-zones as they touch a nerve with people.
People may well be scared by the prospect that death will be nothingness and they will cease to exist. But that does not mean we shouldn't consider it as a sound theory.
>>559844924 >We have that ability to comprehend and think beyond the material world. Therefore, it is something separate from the material world.
If all the electrical activity that occurs in material brains (including imagining an immaterial world) is material, then it's not really immaterial or separate from the material world. All those imaginings are fundamentally material.
But maybe it depends on whether one considers light material. Light can reportedly be turned into matter. And light is part of the electromagnetic spectrum.
Maybe it also depends on whether one considers the quantum world material. And what is happening inside a brain at the quantum scale. If one considers the quantum world immaterial, and the material world as emergent from the quantum world, then perhaps the brain (and the universe itelf) is fundamentally immaterial.
>>559845863 Nah man, just about the nature of death. The thought of death makes me scared as shit sometimes as my mind cannot comprehend being nothing. But it would be folly to pretend there isn't that option.
>>559845963 Yeah, I'm not too sure on the nature of the mind sometimes, I tend to dither between pure materialism and theories which separate the mental from the physical.
I agree our minds are wholly made up of physical phenomenon. That being everything which happens in our minds is a direct result of a chemical or electrical reaction in our brain. I do not believe our ability to think is some god-given ability.
I do however think that beyond those unconscious reactions, there is that ability for us to detach ourselves from the physical material world and consider things which are beyond the constrains of reality.
Does this mean we are wholly separate from our physical being? Probably not. I haven't studied the mind in a while, as I tend to be more focused on ethical philosophy.
There was a tumblr pic about how this universe is an egg and we have to live every single life in the world before were ready to hatch into a god. It satisfies all of my beliefs about things having meaning and the universe being just and the like.
>>559828402 i read a story on a thread a really long time ago where after you died the poster said that after we died we kinda became like gods i think, but unfortunally i dont have the pic saved. I think it would be pretty cool to be able to create a unniverse and watch living beings grow and whatnot
I think your soul becomes one with the cosmos, in some way inconceivable to mere mortals I hope/wish that my consciousness lives on in some way, that I don't forget my life on Earth and I am reunited with other souls that I once knew, and gain some understanding of the meaning of it all I am afraid of being reincarnated back on Earth
>In physics, action at a distance is the concept that an object can be moved, changed, or otherwise affected without being physically touched by another object. That is, it is the nonlocal interaction of objects that are separated in space.
Einstein derided quantum entanglement as "spooky action at a distance", believing it to be impossible since it seemed to violate the speed limit on the transmission of information implicit in the theory of relativity.
Supposedly the effect of measurement on one particle of a quantumly entangled pair affects the other instantly, but it is not possible to use it to transmit information at faster-than-light speeds.
well, how many billions of people(modern human) have died since homo-sapienes came into existance, ama guessing 10`s of trillions
now do all our stonage cave dweller ancestors and count as humanish - do they have the ability you talk about+ shit.... what about monkeys and the rest of the animal kindgom, do they possess the ability to seperate from the material and non material world?
what about insects and flowers `n shit?
exactly what species has this ability , and where does the cut off point come?
>>559848794 1.I was physically nothing. 2.If we are to believe the vast majority of modern science concerning the brain, our mental states arise due to physical phenomenon. Therefore... 3.If I was physically nothing, I would have been mentally nothing. 4.And I could not have had a mental state to remember this.
Simply stating "But you can't know!" is a pointless argument.
In all honesty if there was a heaven or hell, I'd rather go to hell. Would you want to spend all eternity with some extremely religious cunts in heaven or with some of some of the coolest people in hell?
>>559850261 agreed hell for you is not the same as hell for someone else also hell wouldn't be like it's depicted in Little Nicky, except I like to believe that Hitler does get variously sized pineapples shoved up his ass once per day.
>>559828402 I think we go to a time/space universe that overlaps our space/time universe where as soul's we can connect telepathically with all of the universe as we grow and become better to re-experience ourselves as Creator's and be original Consciousness.
Or essentially Soul Paradise, the only hell is the one you make for yourself, and you're free to leave whenever you want.
>A 2013 study found DMT in microdialysate obtained from a rat's pineal gland, providing evidence of endogenous DMT in the mammalian brain.
>DMT occurs in trace amounts in mammals, where it functions as a neurotransmitter and putatively as a neuromodulator. DMT is also produced in humans
>It is originally derived from the essential amino acid tryptophan and ultimately produced by the enzyme INMT during normal metabolism. The significance of its widespread natural presence remains undetermined. DMT is structurally analogous to the neurotransmitter serotonin (5-HT) and the hormone melatonin, and furthermore functionally analogous to other psychedelic tryptamines, such as 5-MeO-DMT, bufotenin, psilocin, and psilocybin.
>>559828402 >what you think comes after death. Nothing. >what you hope / wish comes after death Nothing. >what you are afraid comes after death Anything at all. I want everything to be really over when it's over.
>>559849212 In most religions, hell is something to the tune of constant pain misery and heat with day to day re dismemberment and gutting. You wouldn't be chatting sagan up you'd be wailing with your searing intestines at your feet
When I was about 16-17, me and my friend were recording ourselves doing flips on huge trampolines on a gym. It was night time and we would always close out the gym and stay after to practice and just do dumb shit.
In one of those recordings ( on a Verizon flip phone) my friend recorded me doing some back flips on the tramp, when we saw it later at his house we saw a little boy just standing there watching us do the flips.
This little guy was following us with his head. There was nobody in the gym and ever since that time I came to realize that there HAS to be something else.
It can't be another parallel universe because the kid was following our movements so it has to be same time and place. Just not visible to our eyes.
If that was a ghost then is that what happens after death? You are left to wander the world on your spirit form? What happened to heaven or hell?
So many questions but one thing is for sure I know there IS some sort of life after death
I always thought that some people get reincarnated, others go around and watch over the people/world and can go wherever they want as long as it's near/in the planet, and then the certain people are stuck in certain areas (buildings and such) and they're stuck reliving the moment they died until they're shown peace.
Think >nothing. When your body stops working, you cease to be capable of thought. There is non-existence, just like pre-birth/conception
Wish >if I had control, then after death, I'd know the truth of the world. It would be revealed to me (and everyone who dies) what has happened since the beginning. Everyone's thought processes, why that guy gave spare change to the homeless guy. Every item, how that penny came from ore, and then through the mint and everywhere it was spent. Just knowing and experiencing EVERYTHING that happened or will happen.
Fear >locked in syndrome. After death, we are still conscious, but without any sense organs or body, we just exist. Constantly thinking without any stimulus.
>>559828934 >living a long time is soooooo boring, all the cartoons told me so! c: no, nigga, no. you know how much the world changes over time, and an infinite process of change means an infinite pool of new experiences to enjoy. immortality would be fucking awesome, especially if you're interested in history.
just the idea of heaven is absolutely shit because it's "yeah life sucked so... here is everything you ever wanted. enjoy it for a year or two, then toss it away and be frustrated how fucking boring an absolutely perfect life is." but imagine to be a ghost after death. you're a mere observer but you have all time in the world to see everything that is, and everything that will be. immortality would gift you the possibility to gain unlimited wisdom.
>what you think comes after death. nothing, just simply nothing >what you hope / wish comes after death some kind of heaven i guess >what you are afraid comes after death Reincarnation. already been here. no need to redo it
Keep zooming out into void and become edges of universe, lots of blackness, then anomalies occur, become perspective of nothingness, more small anomalies, then start to create universe, become basic consciousness of universe as a physical action or organism.
>>559853893 You realize that if you download your thoughts and experiences into a machine, it is the equivalent of making a copy of some of your "data."
You are still going to die, and the backup copy you leave behind is not you. It's just like if you created a clone of yourself. Unless you could transplant your actual brain into your clone - once your body dies, you're gone.
well, expectations can influence drug experiences, and some have called death the ultimate trip
a lot of those people saw what they expected to see
then there are the atheists who were genuinely surprised
the illusion idea comes from the idea of bardos from tibetan buddhism
>Following death, according to Tibetan Buddhism, the spirit of the departed goes through a process lasting forty-nine days that is divided into three stages called "bardos."
the illusory nature is also supported by the NDE of Frederick W. H. Myers
>After Stage two, a person enters a more stable world called "the realm of illusion", Stage three. This is a dimension where things may be created with the mind and shaped by the direct action of the imagination. Though a person may linger in this stage for generations, an eventual decision must be made. The individual either returns to Earth or progresses to Stage four.
>>559854968 My idea of Heaven would be equivalent to being a superhuman immortal with lots of friends and family to hang out with. No diseases, no injuries, pain, suffering. aging, or worries. But still plenty of challenges, fun, and excitement.
I think it would be fun to create a whole planet of beautiful mountains, beaches, oceans, woodlands, unusual animals, and awesome cities with advanced technology but still blend and integrate into nature.
Then there are the motorcycles, muscle cars, aircraft, and spacecraft that I would own.
And if I was feeling philosophical or in need of advice, I could call up God or go over to his house and hang out with him for a while.
>>559828402 >what you think comes after death. Nothing >what you hope comes after death Preferably heaven, but more realistically just a general consciousness that works independently of a body. >what you are afraid comes after death Nothing
>>559854968 that is the problem about heaven. you can get anything you want. forever. nothing will face you. you become the central axis of your own reality. if you don't move, the world won't move. in heaven, everything would depend on you. forever. that gets quite boring because the human learns through getting approached with new things, especially ones that prove to be a challenge. but if you were a ghost, or immortal, you wouldn't be the center of all things, but you would have the chance to see and experience so many wonderful, or difficult, or just amazing things. or have enough time to take a break from that and just think. I think heaven is just exhausting for you.
>>559853893 This, but I'd prefer to get uploaded to a machine without any "friendly AI" and be able to control robot bodies in the real world, one at a time. I'd have a fully automated factory and research facility I can operate in order to enhance the bodies and the machine I'm really in and create some other cool stuff and replace my body when destroyed. I'd also have some backups of my mind protected/flying through space that would get activated if the main facility gets destroyed. This way I could gather knowledge and discover the universe for eternity.
>>559855648 ever completed a game with the godmode cheat and felt like you achieved nothing, and then there wouldn't be anything to do anymore, after you've done everything you possibly can, without even trying to find a way to do it without supertools? imagine you couldn't just uninstall the game. you had to play it. forever. you can do EVERYTHING but nothing means any effort. there is nothing to achieve and nothing to just take part of. and that for all eternity. and you couldn't even suicide to get the fuck out of that nightmare. sounds awesome, huh?
Nothing Having it turn out we're in a simulation and we get placed in a parallel one and can do whatever. No monarchy of heaven, no personhood problems (as in reconstructing people in the future, or uploads etc), do whatever you want. But that said, I'll take fucking anything. I'll take Beetlejuice's afterlife over total oblivion Nothing
>>559856387 I can't possibly imagine how living indefinitely/having forever in an afterlife could be pleasurable or interesting, therefore it isn't. Stellar logic.
in heaven you'd be immortal. and as an immortal you could see everything that is or will be. to gain unlimited wisdom.
maybe your experiences in heaven would be limited, but would that be heaven?
why think heaven would be boring? if boredom is hell, then there is no boredom in heaven.
if heaven is unlimited wishes, and getting anything you want gets boring, then you could also wish for adversity, disease, injury, pain, suffering, aging, challenges, etc. that could even be why you have a life on earth right now. you wanted a challenge.
> An enternal feeling of happiness that is currently incomprehensible by humans and the ability to obtain an infinite knowledge of the universe and the ability to drift through time and space in your own reality as you please.
I've also experienced nonexistence once, when I've had a concussion. It was surprisingly nice. For a day I didn't exist, didn't suffer and didn't worry about anything. Yet forsome reason, now it's over, I don't want to return to that state forever.
I think people need to cut others some slack when it comes to this issue, though. The idea of total nothing forever is fucking terrifying, and kind of a divide by zero error for the imagination. The emotional vacuum that can present to someone who does/did truly believe can be pretty enormous.
When you die, you transition to another timeline that's pretty much an exact copy of your prior one, where your death did not take place. You'd continue living your life normally, and it's as if nothing happened.
I know, I know. This is flawed, as it wouldn't make sense with cases where one dies of old age. I mean, you'd probably return to a certain period in time when you were younger, and all your memories of the life you had lived up to your death would vanish, thus creating a similar scenario to the death midway through your life one.
But you get the point. Something along those lines.
What if we're all in our own little Universe, and have, and will continue to live on forever? Now that'd be sweet as fuck.
I think the things we use to explain our existence were only put in here by whatever entity lies out there in order to give sense to things. Don't get me wrong, I'm a science guy all the fucking way, but see it like this:
You create a reality, and a Universe with life forms in it, and you conceive a set of rules that said life form can use to explain things within their reality.
I know this shit may sound ludicrous, but just consider it.
>>559854705 yeah, expectations don't really fucking matter, do they? there will be no more blood flowing to your fucking brain, which will shut down. no more brain = no more you how the fuck are you experiencing what you were expecting then?
>However, if the many-worlds interpretation is true, a superposition of the live experimenter necessarily exists, regardless of how many iterations or how improbable the outcome. Barring life after death, it is not possible for the experimenter to experience having been killed, thus the only possible experience is one of having survived every iteration.
The true test of NDEs will come when reversible suspension comes through. If they can provide details of what happened when it's physically impossible for their brain to be active it will be a big fucking deal.
Of course in that world you can literally get your head severed in a motorcycle accident and if you were wearing a helmet you'll make a full recovery. So unless you're stuck in a trash compactor or a nearby sun goes nova it won't matter as much for most people as it does today.
>>559859930 Cryonics is retarded anyways, the freezing water will simply expand and ruin all the cells in your body. The only proper way to store a body intact through the ages is to replace all the bones with ceramics, freeze dry the body, then place it in a sealed plastic container filled with alcohol.
>>559828402 You as a person do not exist. There is no soul, there is nothing that makes you any different from an ant other than the intelligence that humans got from evolution.
Your conciousness lies within your brain and everything you feel / think / desire is a part of the way humans evolved. Once you sit down and think about this for yourself, you'll eventually realize that there is no chance there will be an afterlife.
>>559860481 I would point out though that there are some people basically arguing for what you're talking about as an alternative, chemical fixation. There are a ton of problems with that though. Basically even if information is preserved you'd be copied into an upload, and since it's doubtful that would preserve personhood it's cold comfort if you want to save your own life.
>>559860623 God ia not only "good" I mean all atheists,jewa and christians will burn in hell, im not sure for how long but they will. You're always a loser as an atheist becuase there is no win/win situation only a God exists = lose, God doesnt exist=Win
>>559828402 I'm kinda hoping nothing comes after death. Because if I'm judged by any standard, I'm fukd.
And I don't believe in reincarnation. C'mon - who comes back as grass, or foot fungus?
And I don't believe in past lives either. Cause If there was, then I was a French hooker who died of Tuberculosis just before the French Revolution really got going. Everyone claims to be some great general, leader, or some important figure. But for every one important person, there were about 99,999 totally unimportant, completely unmentionably plain, boring people. LIke, I was a foot soldier in Saladin's army. But I got killed in the first five minutes of my first battle. Never even got to swing my sword at anybody and a goddamned pike goes up my groin and damned near out my ass. That's the kind of lives nearly every one of you plebs will have led... over and over and over again.
Some people believe they'll be able to survive death by having their brain plastinated (possibly before they're braindead) and waiting for technology to electrically resurrect (or simulate) their "connectome."
>To understand why Hayworth wants to plastinate his own brain you have to understand his field — connectomics, a new branch of neuroscience. A connectome is a complete map of a brain’s neural circuitry. Hayworth looks at the growth of connectomics — especially advances in brain preservation, tissue imaging, and computer simulations of neural networks — and sees a cure for death.
>Among some connectomics scholars, there is a grand theory: We are our connectomes. Our unique selves — the way we think, act, feel — is etched into the wiring of our brains. Unlike genomes, which never change, connectomes are forever being molded and remolded by life experience.
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