The jews were given land by the english, and that land didnt even belong to the english, so one could understand that people living on the land would be a bit angry that their homes are being destroyed and their land taken away.
>>558627991 >Genocide is the systematic destruction of all or part of a racial, ethnic, religious or national group via the (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; or (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. Genocide entails also the Conspiracy to commit genocide; Direct and public incitement to commit genocide; Attempt to commit genocide; and Complicity in genocide. . What constitutes enough of a "part" to qualify as genocide has been subject to much debate by legal scholars. While a precise definition varies among genocide scholars, a legal definition is found in the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG). Article 2 of this convention defines genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."
Civilian casualties. There's your reason. And if that's part of Hamas's game, the Israeli army is playing into it. Gaza is one of the most densely populated regions in the world. However careful they try to be, civilian casualties will continue to rise.
Just given the geography, most really don't have anywhere to go. As long as the conflict continues, Palestinians will die. Public condemnation for that is justified.
Hamas has every right to bomb the fuck out of the invaded land. Just because the First Nation, aboriginals, Mayans and other inhabitant people couldn't fight doesn't mean the Palestinians can't. And Israel saying that this land was theirs long ago is like saying Ireland belongs to the celtics. The old owner Jews don't exist anymore.
Why does anyone give a fuck about sandniggers and jews? That conflict is not the worse in the world and there are active genocides occuring around the world. Congo has reached eight million death since 98, and Kony is still training kids. The Balkan are ready to erupt in ethnic cleansing at moment notice.
>>558632542 >systematically killing anyone that's palestinian so you could say that gangs are committing genocide against each other all over the world. The U.S. committed genocide on Al Qaeda. The texas justice system commits genocide on people given the death sentence. etc.
>>558635525 It's funny how Israeli officials have been recorded again and again being evil, hate-filled, xenophobic nazi wannabe's who condone genocide, false-falgging, theft, extortion and a sleuth of other reprehensible things, yet have the audacity to play the victim.
They even do this shit at international security councils, at the UN, on public TV. The publish journals and articles calling for the EXTERMINATION of everyone who is not a jew.
They are worse than nazis, the difference being the Zionists were smart enough to make the USA a slave- I mean ally and own (or at least strongly influence) most of the worlds media.
They are so hypocritical it's funny, only calling them out on their bullshit is "antisemitism" and that means you are a bad person and everything you say is evil!
>>558627501 It's illogical that Jews are still not wiped out and still given mercy and second chances. Jews don't know how to live in peace, it's been 3000 years of wars around Jews and they claim they are the god's chosen people, when they are nothing but parasitic rats. It's totally logical for a human mind to reject everything Jewish.
>>558637024 If Jew can't rape little children he sure going to blow them up with rockets and contribute to society with cuckold porn, because there is nothing more satisfying for a Jew than a circumcised black man fucking white women.
>inb4 why do you have it on your face I'm edgiest fucker on /b/ and I don't wanna show my face on here
Anyways I have been to multiple Pro-Palestinian Protests and almost all the people there are usually white American or Jews. Very few Arabs at them. Most of them are peaceful protests but the pro-Israeli protesters are just the most aggravating people. They purposely start shit and start burning the Palestinian flag along with talking down to the Pro-Palestinians and then when shit starts to get heated they scream "Oh Vey Anti-Semite Terrorist Stop Attacking me"
Even at the protests they act like self-entitled little fuckers.
If anybody is wondering this is what we did at the past two protests
>Held flowers and pro-Palestinian signs along with reading off the names off all the innocent people that died in Gaza (Long fucking list, majority were kids >10 years old)
Second one >At nights. We held candles and blew one out after each name of an innocent person that died in Gaza/West Bank was was called out
I'm going to another one on the 27th. It is going to be at night, not sure what we are doing this time.
Most don't speak Arabic. They only see the propaganda that the sand niggers put out in English. Meanwhile, in Gaza they hide missiles in schools, fire missiles from public locations, and tell civilians to crowd together anywhere they think Israel will bomb.
Frankly, sand niggers are the worst kind of nigger. I hope Israel wipes them out the next time those shit bags start a war.
[Question] Which country alone in the Middle East has nuclear weapons? [Answer] Israel [Question] Which country in the Middle East has just recently used a weapon of mass destruction, a one-ton smart bomb, dropping it in the center of a highly populated area killing civilians including children? [Answer] Israel [Question] What country in the Middle East was cited by Amnesty International for demolishing more than 4000 innocent Palestinian homes as a means of ethnic cleansing? [Answer] Israel [Question] What country on Planet Earth has the second most powerful lobby in the United States , according to a recent Fortune magazine survey of Washington insiders? [Answer] Israel [Question] Which country in the Middle East receives U.S. weapons for free and then sells the technology to the Republic of China even at the objections of the U.S. ? [Answer] Israel [Question] Which country in the Middle East regularly violates the Geneva Convention by imposing collective punishment on entire towns, villages, and camps, for the acts of a few, and even goes as far as demolishing entire villages while people are still in their homes? [Answer] Israel [Question] Which country in the Middle East routinely kills young Palestinian children for no reason other than throwing stones at armored vehicles, bulldozers, or tanks? [Answer] Israel [Question] Which country in the Middle East refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and bars international inspections? [Answer] Israel
[Question] Which country in the Middle East seized the sovereign territory of other nations by military force and continues to occupy it in defiance of United Nations Security Council resolutions? [Answer] Israel [Question] Which country in the Middle East routinely violates the international borders of another sovereign state with warplanes and artillery and naval gunfire? [Answer] Israel. [Question] What American ally in the Middle East has for years sent assassins into other countries to kill its political enemies (a practice sometimes called exporting terrorism)? [Answer] Israel [Question] In which country in the Middle East have high-ranking military officers admitted publicly that unarmed prisoners of war were executed? [Answer] Israel [Question] What country in the Middle East refuses to prosecute its soldiers who have acknowledged executing prisoners of war? [Answer] Israel [Question] What country in the Middle East created millions of refugees and refuses to allow them to return to their homes, farms and businesses? [Answer] Israel [Question] What country in the Middle East refuses to pay compensation to people whose land, bank accounts and businesses it confiscated? [Answer] Israel [Question] In what country in the Middle East was a high-ranking United Nations diplomat assassinated? [Answer] Israel
[Question] In what country in the Middle East did the man who ordered the assassination of a high-ranking U.N. diplomat become prime minister? [Answer] Israel [Question] What country in the Middle East blew up an American diplomatic facility in Egypt and attacked a U.S. ship, the USS Liberty, in international waters, killing 34 and wounding 171 American sailors? [Answer] Israel [Question] What country in the Middle East employed a spy, Jonathan Pollard, to steal classified documents from USA and then gave some of them to the Soviet Union ? [Answer] Israel [Question] What country at first denied any official connection to Pollard, then voted to make him a citizen and has continuously demanded that the American president grant Pollard a full pardon? [Answer] Israel [Question] What Middle East country allows American Jewish murderers to flee to its country to escape punishment in the United States and refuses to extradite them once in their custody? [Answer] Israel [Question] What Middle East country preaches against hate yet builds a shrine and a memorial for a murderer who killed 29 Palestinians while they prayed in their Mosque.? [Answer] Israel [Question] Which country in the Middle East deliberately targeted a civilian U.N. Refugee Camp in Qana , Lebanon and killed 103 innocent men, women, and especially children? [Answer] Israel [Question] Which country in the Middle East is in defiance of 69 United Nations Security Council resolutions and has been protected from 29 more by U.S. votes? [Answer] Israel
[Question] Which country in the Middle East receives more than one-third of all U.S. aid to the world yet is the 16th richest country in the world? [Answer] Israel [Question] Which country in the Middle East had its Prime Minister announce to his staff not to worry about what the United States says because "We control America ?" [Answer] Israel [Question] Which country in the Middle East signed the Oslo Accords promising to halt any new Jewish Settlement construction, but instead, has built more than 270 new settlements since the signing? [Answer] Israel [Question] Which country in the Middle East has assassinated more than 100 political officials of its opponent in the last 2 years while killing hundreds of civilians in the process, including dozens of children? [Answer] Israel
The Jewish cancer is real. The JIDF cancer is real. Political agenda? Not on MY watch, motherfucker.
there's not much we in europe or america can do about the conflict in gaza, but i'm pretty sure that attacking a synagogue in paris doesn't help and we have to stop this wave of anti-semitism in europe atleast (i don't know about the situation in america)
>>558637883 Everybody hides weapons of mass destruction, but the Jews are still alive, this is the neverending crying story of Jewish propaganda. Jews always cry for help, because on their own they can't do shit, not even form a country. First Jews need to decide if they gonna claim they killing children because: a.) claiming territory b.) under threat c.) terrorists hide weapons Kikes....
>>558637883 > They only see the propaganda that the sand niggers put out in English
Israel literally pays people to push propaganda ont he internet and then there is the JIDF. But no its the Palestinians that are pushing the propaganda
Anyways what about int he West Bank? The don't even have guns at all and they are treated in subhuman conditions with no rights and there land is being stolent hrough illegal settlements along with Israeli soldiers throwing tear gas, arresting, and shooting rubber bullets at little kids for no reason other then to strike fear in them. There have been multiple reports on the top one and they kids are almost always doing nothing but walking to school.
And you are forgetting an important fact. Israel treated the Palestinians like shit BEFORE Hamas was even creating. Hamas was creating to defend the Palestinians from the horrible treatment they receive from Israel. Now I don't support HAMAS and they have changed since they were first created. But seriously FUCK ISRAEL.
>>558638419 You should, I've met some cool fuckers including a Jewish man who always stands out there with me.
>Reasons why? Because contrary to the popular misconception, Jews aren't that exceptional and have their fair share of idiots? Also, Orthodox Jews oppose Israel strongly than, say, most of Arabs living in Israel (not counting West Bank and Gaza) and having the citizenship. They're bunch of medieval pricks incompatible with modern world.
lol I'm israeli. ITT are faggots that have absolute zero understandging in geopolitical reality and political sciences and just vent steam out because they don't like jews
If this was a thread about Shariah law spreading in the UK or Sweden the very same anons that bitch about Israeli policy would post "Fucking mudslime sand niggers, all arabs and muslims need to be fucking shot". For fuck's sake, it's pathetic.
>inb4 jew chosen master race If you knew what we know about this region, in our place would have ordered drone strikes or that famed british gunboat diplomacy to kill thousands, nut just hundreds.
>>558639013 So what if i am a sandnigger, nigger, mexican or communist, is that your argument? Go fuck yourself. Btw i am white. You don't want sandniggers? Well then stop making wars and they won't cross borders to other countries you kike shit. Iraq and Afghanistan tripled the immigrants, but i guess that's what the Jew plan is anyway, to polish the blood diamonds and to complain about immigrants. It's always too much to ask for a wall worshipping kike to figure out anything. Typical Jew: mah old wall, mah old jewish papers of mah land, mah cave documents of heritage, mah miracles, i am an prophet, mah genocide. What if Italians said they need their Roman empire back, they once lived there, but at least that was based on facts and not Jewish fairy tale stories.
Summer is in full swing in this thread. I have never seen more muslim supporting faggots in my life. As much as I hate jews I hate muslims just as much. It honestly makes me sick that all of the muslims are crying innocent after years of trying to murder anyone of another religion.
>>558640771 Uh, then how come anyone who tries that fails
>>558640853 Do you know the specifics of Hamas' financial status? About what's going to happen when Abbas retires, and how Hamas' charter deals with it? Do you know about Egypt's recently shifted role in this conflict, and why? How about the specific view of Hamas and Turkey and vice versa, or the effect Syria and Iran's war have on our security? And what about ISIS and it's potential spread to Jordan, what potential means do we have to deal with it?
If you do know about all those things as much as a typical israeli, by all means, voice your opinions If not, they don't matter
>>558641505 And you spoken like a person who just got a nerve touched I'm not joking, if you hate us so much, you can't be a happy person. Do something about it. If you still hate jews after getting a girl\new car\lots of weed or whatever, then it's cool
Just try fixing yourself first before trying to fix the world, it'll do you much better
Fuck Palestine, fuck Iraq, fuck Syria, fuck all these Dhurka Dhurka cockheads in the middle east stirring shit up for the western powers.
I am fucking tired of it.
Why can't we just ignore these people and reign absolute hell on them if they fuck with us? It's like a tick a dog's ass. Isreal and Palestine are like schoolyard kids and the west is like the attendant there to break up the fight. It is a humiliation to the human species that this shit is still going on.
That's irrelevant. You jews are trying to deflect from the only thing that matter. You are a fascist apartheid state with genocidal tendencies currently slaughtering defenseless people trapped in a cage. Nobody cares about Iran, and let you discuss over and over about things nobody cares about is let you waste time.
But if you really want to know, it wont. You really think your rampage will change the fate of the world ?
Fascism is returning to Europe, and once again it comes on the wings of socialism and antisemitism. History is repeating itself, and if you speak out against it, YOU are the Nazi.
And as with the Nazi's, there's no reasoning with these people. Look at the shit in this thread, in other threads. People want to believe this, so they do. They shift the evidence to fit their beliefs.
Meanwhile we have violent, anti-Western, anti-white mobs running roughshod through our streets while the fascists in politics claim everything is OK. No-one gets arrested from their side, but dare protest immigration and you can expect to be killed or imprisoned.
When the US makes war on shitskin desert dwellers, the left always shouts that it's about oil. But mass immigration started after Muslims refused to sell oil to the decadent West. This is the result of a backroom deal. We get to buy oil, they get to send violent brownshirts into our countries. This is treason at the highest level, and the guilty need to be found and executed.
Honestly, this shit makes me wish for a second Breivik. Let the left feel unsafe again for a change. Filthy fascists.
Fifty million dollars (believe it or not) does almost nothing for a modern military. They could have simply been giving them money to build/buy F-22 raptors. Lockheed Martin is actually based in Israel now.
It certainly gives you more air power but it's not particularly important when you're just firing rockets at each other. They basically gave them nearly 1/6 of the salary some MLB players have had yearly. Not particularly impressive when considering a modern military.
>>558642917 You fool, I'm actually asking about your opinion, the fact you don't connect the two issues proves my point, your understand of this conflict is fucking simplistic and doesn't take any realpolitik perceptios into account
We can't let the Gaza contained hamas fire small rockets at us without a serious backlash, or hezbollah which isn't contained by anyone and is baked by Iran will get the impression current israeli leadership and homefront doesn't have the stomach to go to battle over missile harassment And Hezbollah has much, much bigger rockets, and they're sitting on our northern border, close to Haifa's chemical and patroleum refineries. Appearing weak in the middle east literally makes all the arabs around you pounce at the opportunity to fight you, that's that drove the PLO to try and assasinate King Hussein back at 1970, or the islamic brotherhood murdering Sadat back at late 1981
IF we were ramgaping, we would have burned Gaza to the ground with airstrikes and carpet bombing and kill hundreds of thousands, as is the case in arab wars like Syria or Darfur, instead of sending infantymen inside to try and collapse they explosive smuggling tunnel network. We're stuck between global jihadists and hostile regimes, show some fucking backbone and admit you'd have a serious issue dealing with this humanely yourself
>>558643453 hmm. reminds me of 911. >>558643337 And? They have been fighting since the time before "jesus". Historically, its the Muslims fault and the land is the jews. Just going by history, which people seem to forget.
>>558643453 By constant rocket bombardment, if you are under bombardment you develop shellshock. Seriously, if just one mother fucking rocket was fired at another country it would be allout war immediately. I see no problem that Israel bombs the area from where the rocket was fired. Especialy since the palestinians voted for Hamas.
orthodox jews dont support the state of israel becaue they believe it shouldnt come until the coming of the messiah. The rest are all just mudslimes/kike wannabes. Nuke it from orbit. Religion is a scourge. There is no invisible friend in the sky. Stop worshipping a pedophile and a meteorite.
>>558643483 Please re-read your post and realise how stupid it sounds. You are filled with irrational hate, and buzzwords. You throw "nazi" "anti-white" to describe the same people. You also claim it's socialists, then say it's the left shouting for the imperialism to stop? You advocate cleaning the country of race traitors, and call others fascists. You are just right fucked in the head.
your wishes only. You failed last time, you still fail this time. Hamas and Hesbollah will still be there, more popular than ever. And I'm pretty sure Iran does not give a flying fuck, currently working at a diplomatic level way above your comprehension.
Why don't you start a war against them, a real ennemy, for a change, instead of killing childrens and disabled people ? I mean, you brag about it for some time now.
The Israelis are using weapons that are banned according to the Geneva Convention, attacking civilian residences without established motive, and oppressing the population of an occupied territory, so they're committing war crimes.
>>558644036 I dunno, better quality racism? I mean I'm a total anglophile, but i can't sand people who can't even make their racism, or nationalism, or irrational hate, seem coherant. And considering that's all they do on /pol/ you would think they would have a bit better propaganda by now.
>>558643891 >if I put words in your mouth it must be true
This is exactly what I mean. Islam isn't a race, faggot. It's a political ideology masquerading as a religion. The mobs in our countries are anti-white. This is a fact, and noting that doesn't mean that the observer is automatically a white supremacist. It is based on what these violent thugs openly shout.
You ARE a fascist. You want to block legitimate criticism of political policy, like immigration, by reducing it to being unacceptable to even voice. Even if you have to lie about it, as you are doing now. You came up with the definition of "race traitor" for what I wrote. I never mentioned the word.
You have poor reading comprehension. The left opposes "imperialism" only when it is fashionable to do so. How would you call the enormous influx of Islamic immigrants into Western lands? If a few soldiers stepping foot on their desert sands is imperialism, what am I supposed to think of the millions flowing into Europe? How is that not imperialism, then?
No, it is you who is irrational. Calling everything you don't like crazy. Just like the Nazi's.
>>558644156 Sorry you fucking tard, but we're not capable of eliminating Hamas and Hezbollah, that's not the agenda, because you can't eliminate a fucking political party As long as palestinians and lebanese shiites remain, Hamas and Hezbollah remain also. We're trying to fuck up Hamas infrastructure, name the tunnels and rocket stockades, why are you so fucking dumb and fail to notice this?
And how about you open a fucking map and see netiehr us or the iranians can fight each other since we don't even share a fucking border? We're no the US with aircraft carriers and planet-renged airforce
>>558628276 >Finish work >go get my car >my car is in the middle fucking east >take air plane to go get my car >load my car into an air plane >drive my car back home Shit nigga I'd rather take the bus or walk.
As an American I can tell you right now, if we confirmed a bomb from a foreign country we would go batshit. Just look at pearl harbor or 9/11.
No matter what you think of us, you know that we go absolutely nuts if we were attacked. The US and Israel are in all frankness, not so different. One is just harder to reach and has a much larger military. I'm not sure I can fully endorse the actions Israel has taken but I certainly understand it.
We also see this behaviour in Denmark and Europe. The whites are surrendering to the sand niggers, because doing otherwise will put them in danger. If you have sided with Israel for example, there are areas in Copenhagen, where you wouldnt be safe - however, jews are not gonna kill you for protesting against them.
In other words, the terror of the sand niggers is working, and the weak whites are already giving in to it.
Further. ask yourself the following: How would you express your concern about the Islamisation in your nation? You cant. That is, unless you want to live in fear in your own country, which you are already doing (speaking about Denmark now)
It's easy. Israel wants a hegemony in all of what they consider Israel, that includes the Palestinian lans and the Golem Heights. Hamas is godsent for Israel because they give them an excuse to bomb and invade freely under the false pretext that they are defending themselves, although the rockets hamas fire into Israel are harmless as they get intercepted. The Palestinians are between hamans who gives no fucks about their welfare or lifes and Israel who is actively genociding them. Poor souls I say.
>>558644679 Here's your mistake in trying to conceal your racism. You point out that it's muslims you are against. the point out that it's them coming into the "west" that you oppose. One can easily conclude you are against eastern muslims, aka brown people.
>>558644961 its not a holy war you jackass, and the people who are in charge of the armies don't believe in gods, that's for people like the ones who die in the front to get into the war, and for people like you to not interfere
>>558645113 >How would you express your concern about the Islamisation in your nation? I would stop helping extremist groups recruit desperate people by waging a sectarian war against muslims. I'd also stop promoting racial fear amongst people so that whites feel like the poor victim and turn to retarded shit like white nationalism as their saviour.
>>558645275 What about it? The conflict is to do with people being under siege and reacting to it, and the rest of the world calls them terrorists. Very similar the Warsaw Ghetto ironically.
>>558645165 Just because they intercept the missiles doesn't mean that they're harmless. They're still being shot with the intent of harm and that's more than enough to know that Hamas wants to kill the isrealis.
I can't fully comprehend the expansionist notion because in all honesty I don't know why we needed to send in our military to find Bin Laden or why Iraq was even particularly important to begin with.
I think the majority of it could have been carried out in a more clandestine manner and without troop surges. The American military started to get the right idea about how to handle things during late stages of the second world war and then Vietnam.
Then, they totally started to ignore it and go back to shithead cowboy military.
>>558645015 We don't give a shit about how we're percieved by others, I thought that would be clear by now
We're going to do what is necessary to stop all rocket attacks on all our fronts and we're not about the enter a strategic inferiority simply because some arabs decide rocketing us is a good idea. Hamas reject the ceasefire BEFORE any israeli soldier entered the strip, now it's going to pay for being retarded.
>>558644880 Let me guess, the definition boils down to exactly the political policies you oppose?
Current left wing politics are displaying a frightening number of factors that were relevant in the rise of fascism before WWII. Perhaps they technically aren't fascist exactly, but they share a huge number of identifying factors. Not all that surprising, given that Nazism was basically a socialist movement, especially in its early days.
But hey, this is pretty easy for you, huh? Claiming the high ground while only responding with single-sentence posts.
>>558645624 The american military began it's long decline when it succumbed to politics and didn't crush russia when it had the chance. Had it done so, America would be the uncontested world police now, and we wouldn't be having these issues.
>>558645564 Palestine belongs to the Muslims, Christians, and Jews. Not just Jews. That whole area is multicultural, and is supposed to be. If you think there weren't Christians or Muslims that lived in that area before, you're a fucking tard
>>558645598 >Only 28 people in the last 14 years have been killed by Palestinian rockets, Israel has killed 700+ just in Operation Protective Edge (July 8th to the present): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel
They have no guidance system and the terrifyingly destructive yield of a sparkler. >Hamas rocket hits tree, cat becomes 6 gorillionth shoah survivor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpqiHchsbE0
>One of the founders of Hamas, Hassan Yousef: “If Israel will accept the rights of our nation and allow the establishment of the Palestinian state with full sovereignty like any other people, in my estimation it is possible there will be peace. However, so far Israel ignores the rights of the Palestinian nation. Hamas agrees to the idea of creating a Palestinian state on the 1967 borders with full sovereignty. The occupation forces must leave our lands they occupied in 1967,” he said.
better one would be >go live in jungle >find out jungle is full of snakes >claim "we were here before snakes" because it's in a book >try to remove snakes >snake bites >cry like a pussy about snakes biting >bomb the whole jungle because one snake bit you >be surprised everybody hates you for doing that >try to win support by telling how advanced you are compared to snakes
>>558645917 Ignore a source that can't be trusted since it is user based written horse shit, that is often incorrect? Of course I would ignore that source, because I'm not an uneducated faggot, who gets all his information from a biased internet so called "Encyclopedia".
>>558645665 Except it's in neither of your best interests to do so since all you're doing is creating more and more ground for people to attack you.
>>558645694 >Current left wing politics are displaying a frightening number of factors that were relevant in the rise of fascism before WWII Like what exactly? The only similarities I see are the rise of the Far-right in Europe in countries like Greece, Ukraine, UK, and Spain and the pussy liberal social democrats in power who pander to them. Just like in 1930's Nazi Germany.
Also that whole "The Nazis were socialist!" has been debunked by every account of history.
>>558645709 Hamas are a resistance group to the occupation of Palestine by Israel. They weren't just voted in my Muslims you know....
>>558646003 Don't equate Jews with the Zionist elites in Israel.
>>558645430 No dude, you don't get it We can intercept small qassams just fine
But Hezaollah and Iran are armed with much heavier ordance, like SCUDs, and they're surveying the situtation closely. As I've said before, if we don't give out the clear message that we won't tolerate rocket attacks on us, especially when the shooter is contained and has smaller arms, we'll get a much bigger load of rockets flying at us from the north by Hezbollah, as we got back at 2006. Para bellum and all that
Like I said, instead of listening to reason, or even assuming I'm at least honest in what I say, you twist the truth to fit your preconceived notions.
It's exactly this sort of extremist attitude I dislike about the modern left wing. You decided long beforehand that any criticism of Islam equals racism, despite that not making any goddamn sense. I point this out, and suddenly it changes to HIDDEN racism, that you can still magically sniff out from shit I say.
The truth is, I dislike Islam for what it does. If I were racist, I would be equally opposed to Chinese living in my country, or even blacks. This is where the typical accusations of racism fail.
And let's not forget that I'm responding in this thread because I oppose the barefaced antisemitism I'm seeing resurge in Western society. So I'm racist for opposing antisemitism now? And you're NOT racist for advocating a second Holocaust? Nice logic, mate.
Every argument goes into the details and history of Israelis and Palestinians. It is really disturbing how so much utterly irrelevant filthy is drawn into the picture - just like all the emotional baby killing sympathy trash. None of this relates to the objective reality and simple facts that decide this. Israel is a free secular state, it exists by the sanction of its people. It is the only free state in the Middle East. Dictatorships have no right to exist, they do not exist by sanction of their people, and are no different than a life long hostage situation. If the police end up killing a hostage by accident to save the rest from hostage takers, no one gets so emotional about the evil of the police. In short, Israeli has a moral right to invade and take over any and all middle eastern countries if at any point in time it is in their self interest to do so. They also have a moral obligation to sacrifice 0 of their soldier for the sake of saving the enemy, so they should and must use the most deadly weapons possible.
There are no innocents. Middle easterners are liable for the actions of their governments because they did not have the courage or will to destroy their governments and replace them with free rights respecting secular states. As such, they have moral guilt for allowing these dictatorships to stand AND THREATEN OTHER COUNTRIES, AND BECAUSE OF THIS MAY HAVE TO PAY THE PRICE WITH THEIR LIVES WHEN THE TERRITORY THEY LIVE IN BECOMES A THREAT TO A FREE NATION SUCH AS ISRAEL.
By the way atheist here, I despise Islam, Christianity, and Judaism in that order and wish to see religion annihilated. It is a danger to me, religious people see me as a threat and evil and suspicious.
>>558646124 Wait, you are asking me why would someone attack another people who came to their land and instead of holding to their borders and living in peace started to move the borders until you now have 1.5 million people trapped in a strip between israel and the sea? Are you stupid?
>>558646107 Well, the bible has been proven to be a great historical text..... which you just obviously ignored in my previous post. Just because its on Wikipedia doesn't mean it cannot be true. That's the whole fucking reason for the sources. Hell, all goddamn information anywhere can be false. Jesus christ.
>>558637883 >in Gaza they hide missiles in school So who cares? It are their missiles, their schools, their civilians and their land. I don't see the problem The real problem is Israel trowing bombs at them
>>558646160 >"B-but why are the Red League attacking us!? We only want to exterminate Jews and create a master race!" >"B-but why are Kosaks hoarding grain!? All we want to do is forcefully take their land away and run it by brute force!" >"B-but why are Hamas throwing rockets!? All we want to do is build a big wall, cut off their aid and resources, build illegal settlements, impose our culture on them, and take their resources!"
>>558646412 wow... thats the same shit Hussein did.... Its retarded to put missiles in a school. What kind of fucked up person would you be to have explosives rigged in a school? They do that because people dont attack children...
>>558645903 We don't like either of them but it is more logical to support Palestine
It's their land and they're trying to defend themselves
And before you bring up the native american argument, the native Americans weren't outnumbered like the Palestinians are, and the white invaders weren't being funded by other countries all around the world
>>558645890 [Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility.' (Article 13)
You see, niggerfag, you're full of shit. Go learn about Teqqiyah
>>558636639 Maybe Hitler was the only individual to attain the gift of foresight. In the future he saw the total annihilation of mankind as a result of Israel's dickery. Intending to do evil for the greater good, Hitler set out to ensure the survival of mankind. Instead, history happened and he has been reviled ever since.
>>558646448 Yeah.... right.... You are retarded... >>558646501 shit it doesn't matter what we do anyways. IDGAF about the middle east. >>558646508 Right... you are obviously forgetting history. They have been fighting since the beginning of time.
Jews and Muslims is a pretty fucking big generalisation and seriously simplifies the conflict? What type? Of which region? What about all those times when they didn't fight? Like after the fall of the Ottoman Empire?
>>558646340 Really, Israel is in the business of attacking UN schools, and killing UN staff, along with women and children, then try and blame it on Hamas, even when the UN provides proof it was an Israeli missile. Then,after lying once, has the audacity to say, Hamas was hiding rockets in a UN building,staffed by UN
>>558646165 No, man Palestinians hate us at a level of let's say 98% be default, google Farfur the Mouse children TV show and see for yourself Making it rise to 99% but in turn eliminate any potential to harm us seems like a worthy trade
>>558646710 LOL I'm retarded when I don't go to a heavily tampered with, heavily fabricated fairytale, when it comes to modern day political arguments? Yes everyone go out and buy a fucking bible, because it will explain why the world is the way it is today. That Bible isn't even fucking close.
Solution would be to make a new country called Naziland. It will be random parts of Israel and force the Israel's out of were they now live. Every ten years Naziland will grow and take over parts of Israel little by little all while being funded by every world superpower on earth to have the most powerful military. They will be a country were every citizen is a Nazi. These new Nazi's will control all swing votes in every major democracy on the planet and not obey the UN. If Israel objects to this new change everyone will say they are just being racist against the new Nazi's.
Does Israel in this new world have a right to be upset about what just happened?
If so you now understand were Palestine is coming from.
>>558646974 Pretty sure the rest of the world is jumping on that bandwagon, your government is doing a stellar job at alienating it's self from the UN They are already talking about an declaration to intervene, that attack on UN sovereign soil was a war crime, and the UN is pissed, because they lost staff members.
>>558647102 >shill excuse >faggot ass map faggot. i could give a shit less. nuke 'em all. it takes two to tango. double sided question: if one decided to stop fighting, how much bloodhsed would there be?
go worship your invisible friend or pedophile/meteorite in the afterlife.
>>558646165 >Like what exactly? The constant repression of opposing views through actively maknig them unacceptable. Subsuming science to serve their ideology and fighting "unacceptable" science. Outlawing "unacceptable" art. Using and recruiting from violent, criminal organisations of various stripes, notably GreenPeace which is entwined with leftist politics that they are arguably the closest thing we have to a modern SA in the West. Appealing to hatred of other groups, in this case right wing liberals.
>Also that whole "The Nazis were socialist!" has been debunked by every account of history. No, it hasn't. This has been the party line since the end of the war. The Nazi's called themselves socialists, enacted socialist policies, and share numerous ideological traits with modern socialists, chiefly among which is antisemitism. Even if they don't conform exactly to the modern concept of socialism, or fought communism, they are politically still much more left than right.
If Palestinians gave a flying FUCK about freedom they would immigrate to Israel. The ones that don't deserve to die. Because unfree people allow their governments, dictatorshits, to exist by moral sanctioning. Hence they have to pay the price for being a part of a system which is a threat to free countries everywhere.
>>558647479 >If Palestinians gave a flying FUCK about freedom they would immigrate to Israel. So they can be treated like secondhand citizens and watch as their homes are destroyed? Yeah, fuck that shit.
>>558647563 You know how false that is.are you in USA? If yes I DARE YOU go ask a nigger - don't you wish you were born in Uganda instead of here so YOU DONT HAVE TO DEAL WITH BEING A SECOND CLASS CITIZEN.? Herp derp
>>558647408 I answered you all your questions, then put the map to show the change in land ownership through time. Then called you shill because that is what you are.
Hamas is up to peace treaty, i already posted the source in an upper post. All it takes to stop the bloodshed is Israel to recognize gentiles as human beings.
I'm not a muslim, i live in fucking south america, i just enjoy proving JIDF's shit every time i see you on the internet because i actually believe that truth should be given a chance for you propaganda "humans are idiots and are totally manipulated except for myself and those who think like me" faggots
>>558646905 You do realize it's the UN that came out with the fact that Hamas hides missiles in its schools, right?
Also, can you answer me this: Why do you people claim to care so much about Palestinians innocents when you literally advocate a second Holocaust and celebrate the first one? Honest question. I'm curious why it's OK to kill civvies on one side, but not on the other. Even if you do not personally support that, I'm seeing loads of people in this thread who do. And certainly the Palestinians deliberately target civvies with their attacks.
>>558647923 Yeah why would anyone immigrate from a dictatorship theocracy or state run by terrorists to a secular republic with individual rights? Fuck, tough question, maybe ask the ancestors of any of hundred million Americans? ...
Arabs in Israel get along just fine as long as they are not obsessed with jihad and using their religion as a weapon
>>558647463 If it's what you're referring to, I am not going to argue about some stupid IQ bell-curve which you think proves the differences between race. It's been debunked, it comes from science made during the civil rights movement, it's bogus.
GreenPeace are not the fucking SA you moron. Learn what Fascism actually is and stop throwing it around and crying about "muh freedomz of speech" because people on the left didn't like your ideas about racial purity.
Fucking learn to history, holy shit. The use of the name “National Socialism” arose out of earlier attempts by German right-wing figures to create a nationalist redefinition of “socialism”, as a reactionary alternative to both internationalist Marxist socialism and free market capitalism. This involved the idea of uniting rich and poor Germans for a common national project without eliminating class differences (a concept known as "Volksgemeinschaft", or "people's community"), and promoted the subordination of individuals and groups to the needs of the nation, state and leader. National Socialism rejected the Marxist concept of class struggle, opposed ideas of equality and international solidarity, and sought to defend private property.
In 1930, Hitler said: "Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxist Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true Socialism is not." In 1942, Hitler privately said: "I absolutely insist on protecting private property ... we must encourage private initiative".
The Nazis used "socialism" as a term because it was popular with the working class, because socialism was (and is) a movement by the working class for the working class. The Nazis meanwhile completely redefined the word for their own use, while putting actual socialists in concentration camps, destroying the labor movement, and making the organisation of workers impossible.
Just stop, you make me sad that people like you exist. Thankfully I doubt you'd ever spout this garbage outside of 4chan.
The thing is, most people would be in favour of a two-state solution. But a lot of people literally say they want Israel wiped off the map. This is not fucking possible without genocide. You can not claim the moral high ground whiel advocating genocide.
My favorite part of this thread is the summerniggers saying its "palestinian" land. Okay, so when did the sand niggers build Jerusalem? Before you have an aneurism trying to find a way to avoid that question, let me help you by pre playing your last hope:
>>558647867 >Hamas is up to peace treaty, i already posted the source in an upper post.
The Hamas is as little keen on moving towards peace as the Israelian right-wing conservatives. Both need each other and the ongoing conflict to exist. Without the war, both groups would be obsolete - the radical Hamas needs the invading and oppressing Israelian government to justify their existance and ensure agreement in the population, and the right-wing conservatives need the Hamas to be a constant threat to keep their level of approval among their voters. None of these two are keen on real peace, and therefore the peace processs has not been going anywhere and will not in the nearer future.
>>558647923 Furthermore... They sure do love Jew help, like jobs??
The Palestinian public also appeared to exhibit some short-term pragmatism, with over 80% saying they “definitely” or “probably” wanted to see more job opportunities for Palestinians in Israel. A majority said they also wanted Israeli companies to offer more jobs to Palestinians in the West Bank or Gaza.
>>558648025 They found rockets in a vacant school, that was slated for demolition, you are using one instance,that very well could of been planted after the fact, to justify the attack on a school that was in operation, and attacked. You really need to stay in the loop buddy, I mean you have the internet, research it, fucking dumbass
>>558648032 I see your ID, i know how to spot you, why would you call me a goyim if you hate religion so much, is exactly the last thing you would do, i know because i actually do. I know better than to equate religion with people who follow leaders though, almost everybody is guilty of that one.
>>558648319 I sourced everything i used except for Israel's creation date which can be checked in Wikipedia. If you believe i'm lying to you i invite you to check the sources. If you don't believe in those sources then i can't do anything about it.
Why do you imply war needs to go for Israel not to suffer another genocide, that is what propaganda looks like.
>>558648561 The people of Israel have every right to live there, it's the power of the conservative elites that want the land and the resources that has to go. It's the racist ideology that puts people against each other for profit that needs to be demolished. The colonialist ideology thats put forward the Balfour declaration in 1917 that has to be destroyed.
Your enemy isn't in the streets of Gaza, it's in the skyscrapers in Tel Aviv.
>>558648190 >If it's what you're referring to, I am not going to argue about some stupid IQ bell-curve which you think proves the differences between race
I stopped reading here, Anon. You're again just putting words in my mouth. You're literally making stuff up, and then arguing against that instead of against what I said.
Like I said, you decided I was racist way beforehand, and despite my posts not hinting at racist ideology, you still insist on inserting it in your responses. You can't get upset over me using the concept of fascism, if you're going to try to force racism on me. Are you really that inept that you can't have a political argument without accusing someone of racism?
And if you're wondering, this is exactly my complain with modern left wing politics. What you're doing right now. This constant dehumanizing of anyone who doesn't follow the party line. Even here you can't engage in a discussion without NEEDING to assume the absolute worst about the other party, and then arguing from that as if it's fact and simultaneously using it as an excuse why YOU don't have to use logic or arguments, because you're arguing with a racist anyway. It's circular logic. You're not shouting "JIDF! JIDF!" but it's pretty close to it.
Also, according to that definition, modern socialists aren't socialists, either. Which makes them share yet another trait with the Nazi's. Funny how that works.
>>558648670 I have a clear stance on the ongoing war, I just did not state it in my post. I am far from neural, but I see why each of both parties is acting the way they are. Why would the Hamas fire unguided homemade rockets into the best missile defense system of the world, where >90% of the rockets are intercepted? They inflicted 2 (two!) civilian casualties up until two days ago (not sure on current numbers), and the israeli bombing inflicted 550 casualties, most of them civilians. Now, why would you continue firing incredibly ineffective rockets that are an excuse for the other side to keep on bombing you?
The action the Israeli side is taking is far from appropriate, and their willingness to bomb densly populated areas claiming that Hamas is using the civilians as meatshields and therefore responsible for their deaths is just insane. It's a crime against humanity, but i am sure that the Israeli government is aware that you won't cut the ground from under terrorism by dropping bombs. I'm stating the obvious, but i feel like it might lead to a better understanding and therefore help the general discussion. The situation is dire, and "Jews are the evil of the world" or "Palestinians are a terrorist plague" won't help.
>>558645934 I don't see what you're getting at. If the U.S didn't support them, they would be blown to bits by Syria, Iraq, Jordan and Iran. That's how "tolerant" sand niggers work. But let me tell you this, Most people follow emotional appeal. <1500 != genocide. Genocide is at least the hundreds of thousands. This is just casualties of war.
>>558648678 The fact is that many pro-Palestinian people, including many in this thread, advocate the destruction of Israel as a state. There are 7 million people living there.
So my question is very simple: Why are people who advocate the genocide of 7 million people accepted in this argument that is based on the humanitarian question of killing civilians?
Like I said, I find it difficult to swallow the argument that Israel kills civilians, so it's suddenly OK to kill millions of civilians. You might not personally agree, but people have literally said it in this very thread. And as far as I'm concerned, the argument of morality goes out the window the moment you use it to justify genocide.
>>558649908 It's not Israel kill's civilians, is that Israel should be the bigger man here and not use the bullshit argument of Hamas to get rid of Palestinians. Is the same shit with USA and the Middle-East sitution, they are abusing the size of their dicks and the strength and repetition of their voices to drown the legitimacy of Palestine's right to exist and live in those lands.
I'm not advocating for the destruction of Israel, i like jews, they are smart and creative individuals who lack the christian shame, i even lost my wizardry to a jewish princess.
I just think the argument should not be reduced to "we are killing them because if not they will destroy us", because is obvious bullshit, Israel is strong.
>>558650591 Israel is using pre-emptive strategies. It ios idiocy to attack someone more capable of fighting than you are. hamas (and by defacto, palestine, due to governance) is provoking Israel to use it as a media shield. it is inhumane >>558650786 >still uses shill gtfo fucktard, go to sleep and go to school. you ned it.
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