I have a decent job. Middle class. I make 120k a year. I'm tall, thin, white, 28 years old.
I want a woman, but I don't want to have to deal with the bullshit of dating though. I like snuggling, and making out, and I need a conjugate.
I can't really walk up to women in real life and be like "Hey, wanna live in my apartment? I'll take care of you financially (middle class lifestyle again, I'm not rich) if you let me touch you regularly."
So, since I can't do it in real life, I'm doing it here. Any femanon wanna talk about it? I'm always on Skype - hiddenamongus
Yes, I know, its a silly name. I'd make a less lame sounding throwaway Skype name, but all my devices automatically log in to this one already, and that's a lot of work.
I have the same problem, OP. Where the fuck do you live where 120K a year is considered Middle Class? I make about $800 a month and I'm a lot better off financially than almost anyone in my social circles around the same age as me (I'm 19). I'm pretty much the only one I know who can afford to pay all the bills every month and come out ahead every month.
I mean, I'm polite, I won't hit you or anything (unless you're into that, then I totally will - within agreed upon parameters).
I'm fairly confident that if I dressed well, dated for a while, tried to be interesting etcetera, that I could find, woo and relationship with a woman of acceptable quality. The thing is, I don't want to do any of that.
I want to keep living my life exactly the way I am, read books, play video games, browse internet endlessly and work all day (okay, I don't want to do that last part) except with the addition of also having a girl in there.
She doesn't have to be a sex slave or anything. I'm extremely laid back, and my ideas are all very negotiable.
>>558237597 Well, considering 90% of the young adults in my broke ass city (even the affluent, suburban side) still live with their parents and are either unemployed or work at mcdonald's making like $300 a month, I'd say I'm doing pretty well by comparison.
>>558237596 >So basically you want a relationship without the time, commitment, or emotional investment?
I realize I might be asking for a bit much here. Maybe I have to be rich to get this type of arrangement. I don't know, but its what I want, so I thought I'd ask for it.
>It also sounds like you're super-creepy and a complete asshole.
I like to think of it more as efficient. I don't really need an emotional attachment. I talk to my family once a week, I have a couple friends that I see every now and then. That pretty well satisfies my desire for human companionship.
I'm looking to satisfy the physical desires though. I wouldn't be opposed to befriending this girl, if we happen to be compatible, that's fine. I just, personally, don't need or actively want that.
I like to think that, maybe there is a girl out there who is trying to save money for a while, wants to go back to school, randomly on hard times and needs a place to live, something like that and sees appeal in this type of arrangement.
I don't think it makes me an asshole to actively and honestly seek a mutually beneficial arrangement.
>>558238803 Not even mad, I may be a poor fag, but at least I have a qt girlfriend who's a good solid 8/10 and don't got to go on 4chan to whine about how I can make money, but not get a girl to like you. Fucking kek.
>>558238503 My parents have about the level of wealth I'm on track to have when I'm their age. I have a good relationship with them, we are on close terms, and I credit them quite a bit with whatever success I have found in life. They did pay for my college education.
However, as I graduated college several years ago, I have not had any financial relationship with my parents. Alas, no trust fund. I would have alluded to family wealth if I thought it would make me more attractive.
120k a year is my personal salary (I am not counting stock rewards or bonuses which are unpredictable). This is not a particularly large salary for people who do software development.
>>558239004 I'm probably somewhere between 80th and 90th percentile for family income. To my mind that is more of a middle class bracket than a rich bracket. My life and spending habits are far more similar to someone making 50k a year than they are to someone making 500k. Thus, I am not rich, but in the middle class.
>>558239141 yeah, still calling bullshit on your story.
go buy a russian wife or something if you "really" have all those "monies" fucking dweeb.
can't believe we have people in this world who actually make this amount of money, claim to be middle class, but have 0 social skills. we're not your fucking therapist, with your money, you should hire one, better then asking 4chins you fucking loser.
>>558239141 rich faggot having mommy and daddy pay for a college education. lets speculate where you'd be without mommy and daddy's money to fucking assist you. I'm 22, i make $30k a year, i have my own place, I'm paying off my own college, only needed help from my mother in very dire situations a few times, paid her back, and am now self-sufficient. you're a bitch OP, but I ain't even mad doe.
>>558239676 I'm not asking you to be my therapist. You, and a couple others, seem confused. I'm not looking for help, or advice and I am not trying to find someone to listen to me complain (I don't think this is complaining).
Instead, I'm hoping a girl will scroll by and read this, decide it fits what she wants and contact me about it.
My social skills are more or less fine. I can hold a conversation, recognize emotions, react appropriately and so on. The thing is, I don't want to do any of that shit. I don't want to have to earn an emotional attachment to get a physical relationship. I still want to spend almost all of my time reading or playing on my computer, just spend a little time on the side fooling around with a woman.
>>558240574 Good, now we are on the same page. The problems with the escorts are...
1) Illegal 2) Dangerous (does escort have friends who will rob me?) 3) Time consuming. (If I wrap up whatever I'm doing online and want to fool around a bit, I'd have to call, arrange a meeting, get cash, etc, etc)
>>558240872 I don't want to get married though. If I did, Russian mail order bride would knock this thing out of the park.
I wouldn't rule out marriage if anyone took this offer up, but this, as described, would be more like "Nothing better going on right now" kind of a thing.
Again, you seem a bit mixed up. I'm not depressed at all. There is just something I want (woman) that I don't have and I'm looking to get. If I had to choose between being more conventionally social and winning a conventional girlfriend and a life alone as it is now - it would be an easy choice for me. I like my life as it is now. I'm just trying to find a way to get the best of both worlds here.
Earlier today while looking for a new place to live I came across an add...
"Looking for old fashioned arrangement. You live in my house, cook, clean, keep the place up. You live there for free. We exist as friends and benefit eachother mutually. We are not together."
If that guy can do that and possibly find a match, why can't you do the same thing?
"Seeking female for mutually beneficial relationship. I'll give you a place to live, etcetcetcbullshitbullshitetcetc. You touch my penis from time to time. As long as you remain STD free, I don't care what you do when you're not with me. Monthly testing required."
>>558241247 Oh yeah shit, escorts are illegal in murica.
That's really quite a difficult one. I myself only really like meaningful relationships. If i am looking for easy sex i go to a university party and get wasted and find a girl just as wasted as me for a quick release.
To have a girl on the side to constantly depend on... become /fit/, improve your social skills and then find an attention seeking, brain dead ditzy white girl you can keep around with ease.
going through the motions of getting an education isn't the same as killing it at your first and second job to get that good third one, or killing it at an internship to turn that into a salaried position, or killing it in a lab to get the internship in the first place.
you can be a little bitch about having no assistance but there's some indian kid out there who codes circles around you and lives in a shoe somewhere.
>>558242907 Enjoy working for that money m8. all those hours.. for only half your life time going back to paying your student loans back.. unless you got to ride the mommy and daddy train like OP.
42k a year. well traveled, own my own 52 foot sailboat, 24 acres of land, all the time in the world to do everything I love, plus qt girlfriend. Seen/done more shit then your pleb ass will ever do. sure, traveling when your 60 is fine, but you won't be fucking hot 20 year old bitches either.
>>558242774 Just how expensive country murrica really is? Here where I live, guys who can make over 65k a year are rich and hell we still tax 40% of the their income and still they can do what the fuck they ever want.
>>558243575 It is true I work a lot but you are overestimating this. I am genuinly happy for you. Nevertheless, this is no fucking competition. That's my life whether you like it or not. I am rich and my parents provide even more. I travelled to europe and asia quite some times. I have to work hard but can still enjoy myself without waiting to be 60. Why do you have to be so mad about this ? Chill dude.
>>558244274 It isn't that America is poor, but very rich. Unless you live somewhere extremely poor, 65k a year probably has similar purchasing power. America has better purchasing power than a lot of other countries.
65k a year would give you a comfortable life in America. Its just, you wouldn't ride your orca shaped submarine to your private jet to have super models take turns sucking you off. Likewise, 65k won't get that in your country either.
>>558245295 1. I'm not in Nevada, so I don't see how that matters. 2. Mixing business, sex and professional criminals doesn't seem especially wise to me. 3. This element of interacting with women is what I'm trying to avoid.
Maybe there is a lazy girl out there who wants to play video games all day, and will put up with my pawing in exchange for a nice place to live and so on. That kind of thing would be ideal. Having to arrange a series of meetings with hookers, or deal with a real relationship is not.
This is a learning experience. I tried this once before saying "I make 120k" without the "middle class" and everyone gave me shit for thinking that 120k made me rich.
This time, I tried to preempt that by claiming middle class. However, now most of the response are about how I'm actually rich. When I try tomorrow (in soc) I'll be sure to write "upper middle class" so I don't offend people like you who have specific ideas about what middle is or isn't.
>>558236563 >I can't really walk up to women in real life and be like "Hey, wanna live in my apartment? I'll take care of you financially (middle class lifestyle again, I'm not rich) if you let me touch you regularly."
But you'd want to, right? If this is the mentality you have, then good luck.
Money helps, but having some kind of social value is more important. If you want to win over a woman, you'd have to stimulate her mentally. Flashing your money will not attract the right kind of woman, except for whores.
>>558236563 I don't understand why everybody is hating on OP so much for wanting this? I feel pretty much exactly the same, exept i don't want someone living in my place. And i get mostly what i want sexually from going out and stuff. Is it so horrible to be comfortable and happy by yourself and not wanting all that emotional controlling crapp a relationshipp brings? I live the way i do because i love my freedom and i don't want to be tied down by som girl. When i feel like going out i go out when i feel like playing computer games i do that, when i feel like going backpacking i do that. I've been a couple of long term relationshits before and it was torture! I loved my girl but having to come home at six every day and spending all my free time with her just made me sick!
Keep living the life that makes you happyOP do listen to all these emo-fags.
Dating sites. Use them. They only take up as much time as your willing to put in, which doesn't have to be much more than you've already put into this thread. If you're looking to be some girls middle class sugar (corn syrup in your case) daddy then there's gauranteed to be some girls in your area who'd be glad to fill that role, and they'll be easiest to find on those sites.
>>558237680 I fucking love how people judge themselves. Always pointing out their good areas and how they are superior in one way or another to the rest. Obviously no woman wants your stupid ass so I doubt anyone on this thread can help.
>>558250504 I expect you to get the fuck off of /b/ and figure this out for yourself and I always find it funny when someone prattles off all the good things about themselves and then wonders why no one likes them. You are likely riddled with flaws that are obvious to everyone but you.
I have a Middle job. decent class. I make 120 years a k. I'm tall, thin, white, purple 28 feet tall.
I want a woman, but I don't want to have a woman. I like ejaculating, ejaculating and I need to ejaculate.
I can't really walk up to women in real life and be like "Hey, wanna live in my apartment? I'll take ejaculate on you financially (decent class again, I'm not top tier) if you let me ejaculate regularly."
So, since I can't do it in real life, I'm doing it here. Any unwashed neckbeard wanna talk about it? I'm always on ham radio. -unannymouse
What age is the youngest you'd accept? I also live in Washington and I'm pretty interested in this deal. Do you have a picture? I'm average looking, but if I worked out some I could be even better looking.
>>558236563 go out and talk to every single slut on the street, few out of hundred will be fine with kissing/hugging after few minutes if you play it right, also have her over at your place for night and maybe longer. wimin r easy op
>>558251002 I'm sure I have some flaws that I'm not aware of. I am aware of others.
I think, perhaps, you haven't been reading this thread too carefully. Maybe you've got it confused with similarly themed threads.
If I had to guess why I don't have a woman now, I'd say it is because I almost never go out. I'm dull in conversations. I don't really like conversations. I always wear jeans and a single colored T-shirt, so my dress could probably be improved. I could work out too and gain some weight.
I want to persuade a woman to enter the superficial relationship I've described here. I'm not looking for love or marriage.
>>558251850 What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
>>558252252 i met a couple little kids and the girl was almost 5 and extremely intelligent and friendly and acted like a host giving me a tour of her house and the boy was 3 and didn't speak yet but they were both completely with it, perfect social graces and "feeling" a person who they're interacting with and calm and cool from afternoon to 3am so absolutely no autism but... they had a certain favorite thing they called "parade" and they'd run and collect their toys and put them in a row. autism may not be total bullshit but the "lining things up" thing is just childish OCD.
>>558253517 45-50% though I hesitate to set a number on it. I think it depends how the specific woman carries it.
I'm not a white supremacist. I don't really have strongly held beliefs regarding races. I absolutely believe in the moral equality of all sapient things (eventually, I think this will include computers. Right now, only humans (that we know of)).
I personally just don't find black skin to be attractive and I think it is better to be upfront about that then waste time.
>>558252846 I mean, does it really matter what genitals she has? A trans girl has two holes to choose from, and definitely doesn't want you to touch the other bits and is generally just going to be cooler to hang around.
>>558236563 I'd just work the "hook-up" apps, i.e. tinder, get your physical fix with multiple women and after each ask them if they'd be interested in that sort of arrangement. If they're already ok with the casual sex you've narrowed the field to those that may be predisposed to do something like that.
Have you thought about making an OkCupid and putting all this out there? I'm sure you'd get tons of offers locally. I feel like I couldn't do it because I'm attached to my family and also because I like to play it safe and that isn't really safe. But I can guarantee I'm not unique and you could find a woman like me nearby.
>>558254569 ha, I read all the posts. A thought I've had before. My advice would be to go the country.
In the city you won't find what you're looking for.
in the countryside you can find a decent faithful women who will look to you to provide and will be GRATEFUL for the opportunity. THe only issue is that SHE will want to settle down once she sees your legit. The danger will be pregnancy. I SUGGEST a vasectomy mate, completely reversible, shouldn't be a $ issue considering yourwages.
LAST ADVICE try saving $1000 a month for 2 years mang. Put it aside no touchy touchy buy property
>>558255467 Well, I'm certainly no <Name of handsome man>. The best I can really say about my looks is that there is nothing really fundamentally wrong with them. I wear glasses, I could probably gain some weight, I should shave etcetera.
But, on the other hand, I'm not disfigured, my skin is unblemished, and so on.
I get that, I made one and I deleted it after two days. I'm pretty paranoid and I'd prefer not running into people I don't know anything about who have read my profile and knew things about me. Craigslist would be the way to go, I believe.
Not only bait, but bad bait as well. Most women love being "taken", as long as it's by someone they don't find disgusting. More than one of my gfs have explicitly said "Do what you want to me, when you want. I'll never mind". Basically meaning "Fuck me when I least expect it".
>>558236563 Wish I was a grill, room and board for casual sex, with no commitment, green light for cheating on him. He even said terms negotiable, she could throw in some ground rules. or just leave if he gets weird or possesive.
or this could be bait to get her to come to your sex dungeon.
>>558257431 It isn't my spending habits that make me not rich. I could spend every dime and still not have as much as a conservative rich person.
The reason I'm stressing the difference, is that I don't want to mislead someone into thinking I'm rich, when I'm not. A rich person might buy you a car if you asked nicely. I won't. (Well, maybe a used car if we get along and you need it, but you won't in the city, my car would be more than enough for two people) We aren't going to take my yacht over to Paris, etc.
>>558258281 Sex dungeon is incredibly unlikely. You'd have my identifying information if you ever reached the stage where we were meeting, so it would be insane of me to do anything criminal. I would assume your friends or family would get in touch with the police using the electronic record to punish me instantly.
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