Holy shit guys I just got it. We are Gods ourselves. Each individual person is their own God, and we are an interweaving network of God's who affect each other. Like ripples we each affect each other no matter how small.
>>551741195 You're almost right. The way you phrase it though, it sounds like you believe that there is such thing as separate entities. In truth, every entity in the universe is the same underlying entity, manifesting itself in various forms. So we're not all individual gods, we are all the same god, pretending to be separate.
>>551742873 Anything can be a god, it is relative. Humans are not inherently gods just as they are not idk... salad dressing, they could be used as dressing but them being so would a product of someones desire. So what you are saying is that anybody can give anything any sort of meaning. That being said, you are a fucking idiot.
>>551743745 That's good. I like to imagine the universe as an ocean, and all of the various forms as waves. Each wave appears to be a separate occurrence because they stand out from the normally flat surface of the water, and they all have variations (size, shape, duration). But in truth they are still a part of the larger system: the ocean.
>>551741195 here's what i think; were not here for a purpose other than to just experience life through OURSELVES,everything else is a distraction from said purpose. If one wants to find bliss and peace, you need to stop looking for it and just let it happen by being true to yourself without trying to be true to yourself because if you try to be true to yourself you arent being true to yourself because the trying is being done by your ego which is false (not true),therefore you're not being true to yourself. We must let it happen naturally.
>>551741195 Cool though, OP. Welcome to the collective. I understand the English language doesn't really have a word for this, but God definitely isn't the correct term. God implies being infinite, and eternal.
Are you infinite, and eternal? Well yes what makes you up is, but YOU (ego) is not. Whoever YOU are will eventually die, and is never coming back.
Then there's that whole spirit discussion that I will save for another post.
>>551742694 Had the same realization on DMT. Here's a brief write up I made after thinking about my journey.
The amoeba weighs down on a sphere of cheesecloth like a grain of sand would. Without eyes and ears, it exists as an experiential awareness composed of atomic machinery; patterns of molecular movement and interlocking mechanisms.
In contrast, we weight down upon the cheesecloth as a point of pensive attention, as if we are reaching up and pulling a point of the cloth down, anchoring it. This attention is anchored to our great multicellular physical form. We perceive our own sensual perceptions of what is outside and inside, and in that way form the distinction between outward reality and ourselves. This subjective reality knows only itself, and the faith that what it perceives of external stimuli is truth.
>>551744370 That's just a misinterpretation of the thought patterns that come with psychedelics because they simultaneously induce spiritual experiences, open up communication from the conscious mind to the subconscious, and reveal the internal relationships they have in their mind between concepts creating a feeling of deeper understanding. There are rational people who know that these are chemical effects, but you can't blame people for misinterpretting these fantastic results.
The amoeba has no need to regard itself or the outward in this way, or at least not to the extent we do. In that way, weight takes its toll. When it is relieved, weightlessness reveals the truth about awareness itself. The amoeba is more familiar to and with the truth because its perceptions are closer to the fabric of reality. That truth is simply that the fabric and awareness are one in the same - funneled into the subjected experiences, the points of attention we call Life.
Some name that truth god, but by naming it we give it a power separated from ourselves. It exists as something distinct from oneself, much like we distinguish ourselves from things and objects around us - including other people. This is a delusion stemming from the weight of this point, this anchor. The distinction is an illusion, and we implicitly know this when we say things like 'everything is connected', 'all is one', etc. That language implies a separation of things, and that separation is vestige of our style of perception: Mere artifacts of the subjective reality, which taken with that regard in mind, are not one in the same. We value the individual, the distinction, the separate selves bound in flesh. We lie to ourselves: "I am mutually exclusive from you. We are connected abstractly, but I am not the same as you. I am myself and you are yourself." Hey, that's not a bad thing, it's natural to want that comfort of existing in a category as a thing in a place. It affirms our perceptions as self-regarded truth, and we feel comfort in Being as a self.
I ask you to become mutually inclusive and take that anchor, the form, the mind, the experiences, the perception of perceptions, and remove it. "But no! That's everything I am!" You may think that, but you are more than your-self; What remains when you strip down the clothing of the self is the Awareness. It simply is, was before you came into Being, and will exist when you come out of it. You were thrown into a moving river and suddenly the movement created your perception of what we call time, but like all other perception, time is another article of clothing to keep the self at home.
With no ears, no eyes, no nose, no sensual, we can become more like the amoeba. Kill the ego, then, and Awareness is all that remains. The amoeba has a rather small ego, but it also tragically lacks the capacity to recognize its own truth. Neither deluded by senses, or enamored by transcendence of its form, the amoeba does not Know. What? That there is only one self, one awareness, anchored to temporary subjective realities. Go and meditate, until you recognize the coffee table and you as one in the same. Meditate until you see that every being, object, and particle of matter is part of the same matrix of existence, until you see that there does not exist a boundary between your flesh and the rest of the universe, until you see with effortless open eyes, until you finally become aware that your ego has crafted a boundary to create you as a separate self. That boundary has never and will never truly exist. We are a way in which the universe experiences itself.
>>551745894 gonna be at a friends house, its my first time and im taking 2 tabs so if my friend says I'm calm enough we were gonna go for a walk, were near a college and shopping center though so theres a good amount of traffic
Also I was gonna take 1/8oz of shrooms on the comedown Good idea bad idea? Do I need to eat before shrooms to make them work
And where, perchance, is this irrefutable proof? Funny how whenever someone tripping balls on drugs or crazy has an AMAZING idea about something, they never seem to be able to justify it with evidence.
>>551745880 " YOU " is a false explanation of who we are. A person is not characterized by a single personality. Grant Morrison talks a little bit about this in his speech about about magic, sadly it was about magic, and he doesn't really know what he is talking about. Though, I bring him up because he interesting to listen too. If you really want a good explanation I suggest you listen, or read something by Sam Harris on the subject.
Every person can create his own universe in his own mind. He creates something invisible using what he sees in the "visible universe". When you interract with other people, you transfert an invisible matter that makes his mind react and create a feeling in his own mind. We all have a universe and his "deepness" depends of our own capacity to create mental images, that's named "imagination"...
>>551750420 Actually the chemical reactions in your brain are a secondary effect from external stimuli, I think whathe is describing is the effect the observer has on the World around him. Search the law of observation.
>>551752790 I've been on a SARI (trazodone) for the past like 4 months, 75mg every night for sleep. I didnt take any last night and I plan on dropping acid thursday night, you think this is enough time for the trazodone to not affect the LSD?
>>551747541 Haha, yes. This is exactly the image I am trying to convey. I'm glad this understanding is not alone, and I hope you enjoyed the amoeba metaphor! I'm writing a half-fiction book in which the main character discovers a text, which will be a meta book of meditations, one of which deals with the ego and god. This is a short excerpt from that.
>>551741195 I realized this around 6 months ago during an amazing acid trip, but I defined it as we're all our own universes, our thoughts being the reality of our own separate universe... And to me, the universe is God.
>>551753738 No man. You can fake yourself into older behavioral patterns but that's it, your just ignoring higher operant pro ceders for old ones. Once you develop a habit it sticks and it fucking sticks.
>>551753612 I don't think I can do that with LSD tabs, I was going to take 2 tabs with orange juice without taking trazodone for 84 hours between the dose Anyone think this'll be sufficient? I don't want to waste the LSD
>>551754745 Like the image implied once your conciousness reaches new bounds it doesn't return to normalcy. You still have those old habits programs but with things like thought processes the new ones usually stick over older ones.
>>551754806 It's real in the sense that my good buddies have gotten LSD from this same person in the past 2 months that was good. I have experience with DXM, Diphenhydramine, MDMA, although I'm guessing they have nothing to do with LSD.
The main reason I was gonna take two was because I feared the anti-depressant will hinder its effects, and because I don't have anyway to store the LSD without it being found
Anyone know the minimum waiting time between seperate LSD doses?
>>551754806 A lot of the LSD look a likes have a bad taste - and as you know real LSD doesn't taste like anything at all, so there's that.. Still there is no way to know for sure, but good guesses can be made
Its when you lose your personality and form a new one of all the things around you. The things between what defines you as you and what defines reality as reality blur.
You'll find yourself associating things like pencils to your body in some way or fashion without realizing what you are doing. Your consciousness really does change with the drugs you take, and as a result of that reality you experience.
25i is a lot easier to make and to someone who hasn't done LSD the effects are a lot like LSD, only difference is you can overdose on 25i, people have died.
if what you have been told is LSD the blotter will be tasteless and can be ingested by swallowing or just letting it sit in your mouth. 25i is very very bitter and gross, it can't be ingested by swallowing as it's broken down by your stomach acid.
>>551755163 well, lets just roll with what your buddies told ya
LSD is easy as fuck to hide, anywhere where the sun doesn't hit it, is room temperature cool and in the dark
this could be anywhere, a book, a bag in your backpack, etc
yeah, those chemicals aint got nothing on LSD, but you said you've been taking anti depressants, so I'm not a freaking doctor but I know that shit can cause serotonin syndrome
but 10 seconds in google showed up this >This study investigates the possible interactions of antidepressant agents and hallucinogens in humans through structured interviews using a standardized questionnaire. Volunteer subjects recruited through announcements placed on the Internet or other sources were asked to describe the somatic, hallucinatory, and psychological effects of self-administered LSD prior to and during chronic administration of an antidepressant. Twenty-eight out of 32 subjects (88%) who had taken an antidepressant with inhibitory effects on serotonin (5-HT) reuptake (fluoxetine, paroxetine, sertraline, trazodone) for over 3 weeks had a subjective decrease or virtual elimination of their responses to LSD. An additional subject who had taken fluoxetine for only 1 week had an increased response to LSD. These data are in contrast to our previous study that reported increased responses to LSD during chronic administration of tricyclic antidepressants or lithium. Possible mechanisms of action for the effects from serotonergic antidepressants involve 5-HT2 and 5-HT1A receptors, changes in extracellular brain serotonin concentrations, and changes in brain catecholamine systems.
This man speaks truth. If it is bitter it is a spitter.
Any kind of numbing, bitterness, strange taste is a clear sign of a 2c- series and dob or doi. Some of those analogues are pretty sweet (I really like 2c-b and 2c-i, intravenously or orally ingested), but if someone is selling you something under false pretenses you could get hurt or killed.
Some faggots make their own tabs with chemicals ordered off the internet, and sell them as lsd.
Stay safe and buy testing kits. Hand them out at festivals and encourage other people to know what they are ingesting and fuck up the busters selling fake acid.
>>551755554 I have experience with ego death, and it's very easy to fall back in to old programming. It's not a temporary fall behind, it's a long process and happens when you come to revalations but you're unable to change your surroundings given what you currently have.
Being God means you end up having nothing to do. So in order to experience something again you (as God) create this human experience, an experience where you have no knowledge of your origin and no knowledge on what happens after death it makes the human experience real, temporary and to be taken seriously. With our emotional and rational minds working in tadem coupled with evolution humans will eventually become God (singular) again.
>>551756591 I do completely understand. I fucking said that it's because you're unable to change your surroundings that the old behaviours return, how is that NOT understanding that environment "depicts" (I assume you mean dictates) that? Neurons that fire together wire together. I understand this. This means that old behaviours from your formative years take a long fucking time to fade, and new ones take an effort to maintain. I won't discuss it further, I just hope that people don't believe you and put a real effort into maintaining new and healthy habits.
I would not recommend taking psychedelics more than once a month. Mental health can deteriorate rapidly depending on current health problems and polydrug use.
If you insist on taking it that often I would wait at least 3 days between doses. LSD affects serotonin receptors heavily, so trazadone wouldn't be a good thing. It is not an SSRI but an MAOI. However, it might ampilify your high or send you into a bad trip.
MAOI drugs do go well with DMT, and are the only way to consume it orally. Naturally occuring DMT is mixed with natural MAOI to make ayahuasca.
>>551756591 >neurons don't fire when you decide to fire them, it's your environment
thinking about someone you're in love with fart out neurotransmitters like crazy, a gf is an external stimulus but then again so is everything. It's your 'decision' to think about gf but that decision has to be triggered by an external stimulus somewhere down the line.
this is all pretty deep. there's a ted talk called "Why brains exist" or something alike that explains what brains evolved for. spoiler: it's to move
Guise, if you're gonna call us anything call ourselves holons. It's being an autonomous system and a part of other systems. It's where we sit on the spiral of being. We are gods of human linguistics in it's varied forms but even that is our fledgling attempt at biomimetics. The environment and self are intricately connected and we are meant to forget last we be driven mad with knowledge and incapable of interaction. End of the day we're all the main character in our own story and when we die we start the next story. But this one occurring and remembering its identity will end indefinitely, although out there somewhere there might be a cosmic video compilation of all the sick shit you did anon, you dirty yiffy faggot.
>>551758198 Just because in your experience it is true, does not mean that it is true. The idea here is that they are claiming something is not possible, and I have had it happen in my experience. My experience clearly does not override yours, but you seem to be implying that yours overrides mine. That's very narrow minded.
>>551741195 Dosent make you a god You have become aware of your ego, might be good drugs misguiding your conclusions God created cosmos etc etc You created a post Now kill your self on stream and /b might make you your new jesus
>>551759562 >>551758826 But why should I call myself a holon, why does a human want to associate with another human that fucked an alien. Why would you still grab onto my consciousness as some shitty attempt to pull me back. I ask you, let go of my essence, I have my own path to find and my own colors to paint with, if it ends with me dieing as some barely living cosmic being then so be it, Im tired of this boring human concept of purity.
>>551759249 Is that supposed to elucidate my judgment? I understand the impact an observer makes on the environment and that our interpretation is chemically and temporally bound. What else? Don't let your mind be so open as to let the wind whistle between your ears.
I'm going to leave before I get more mad. If you're interested in hearing a more objective rundown of the actual revalations people come to on psychedelics, read this. http://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Psychedelics#Cognitive_effects
>>551760008 Well can't say much about alien fucking other than that's probably in the next thread over. As far as holons, saying you don't identify as one is similar to claiming you don't identify as human, or as being a cog in a system of observable occurrences and being autonomous. I don't really care what you do with your free will but however 'free' you interpret yourself to be you'll always be bound to a system.
Imagine a sphere, this is you in your infinite. Your path emerges from center and grows outward expanding with ever greater potential. The center of the sphere is connected to a larger plane which connects all spheres and is it's self a sphere. The paths and potentials of other spheres communicate between to create a base reality we all share, but are not all within at same times or possibilities.
We meet others, but those we meet are unlikely to be connections to those of another path within their sphere, but instead the potential which our path crosses within their sphere. If two paths cross the space of their spheres that correlate, a very noticeable difference is found between these people. This is where we feel we meet soul mates.
In the greater sphere which connects us all, is the god we all comprise. This was the beginning of what we know, the starter, the bringer of the big bang, of life, of time and energy. Before that existed, was another set of spheres connected which built to offspring a new sphere for new life. Life comprised of life bringing about life to spawn new life, all of consciousness existing in holographic interactive potentials that are built by creation and bound by belief.
You are correct OP, we are gods, we are all one as one god which we make. We will create a new universe at some point, and so on and so on it has always and will always be, because infinity never began, never ends, but recycles into new forever.
>>551760587 Of course! Especially on the Internet, and most importantly this is /b if you can't swim in the deep end then there are many kiddie pools to play with your water wingies in. Also I was only being harsh not scolding.
would you guys have had the same interest into this topics if not because of drugs?
not disregarding everything you've said, its just fun to think that LSD and the like have that power of changing your persona or at least make you interested into this kind of stuff have you guys continued with that feeling of "what the fuck is even this" or that nagging, powerful feeling of "wut" after an ego death/ extremely heavy trip? cause I still get that kind of thought process even after weeks of that fateful candyflip. shit was awesome unless you're a nutjob like some folk I know...
>>551761603 Drugs didn't get me into it, it got me into drugs, but its been over a decade since drugs and I still am expanding upon my connection to whatever the fuck it is... Source, whatever anyone would call it.
>>551761967 You misread what I typed, I find it sad that you take pleasure in hurting other or making them feel bad about themselves, again I hope you can find a way to love and respect others and yourself.
>>551762505 Well it's easy to talk a good one and take a moral high ground when in fact I was only being harsh, I wasn't the one claiming you had any complex or disorders. Not only that i was being jovial so maybe you should realize when you point your index finger at others your other three are pointing back at you.
Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Heres Tom with the Weather
How do I know any of you are real? How do any of you know if I'm real? How do you know if I, and everything around you, are not just figments of your imagination? Perhaps you're really in a coma right now, or even lost in a blank space doomed to an eternity of living in your imagination?
I'm not just saying this to mind-fuck you either. I seriously do wonder if any of you are even real and I'm the only real person in this world. I wonder if I actually have created you all, the food you eat, and the houses you live in with just my imagination. What if at one point, I may have just decided what the necessities of life are. Because of that I created languages, food, people, animals, civilization, and all of that myself. How do I know I'm not just painting you all in my mind, and once I can't see or hear you anymore you just suddenly disappear until I paint you back in again?
We don't really have any way of knowing what is real and what is not real since there's always something behind everything that will always go unanswered. And if we/I/anyone finds that answer, well, what's behind that? And what's behind that? And after that? It's just like "God", how do we know what created him, her, or it? And what created the thing that created God?
It's endless and painful for me to know that we can't actually know any of this.
>>551762672 its only becoming more widespread because its stoner philosophy and marijuana spreads like wildfire nowadays its not wrong to believe in those things, but people dont believe in them because they are right, they do it because its a trend. Im talking about young people mostly
>>551757708 This is a great way of explaining it. We are a whole. The idea that one idea affects another is a prime example. One action causes a reaction, setting of an array of others. Because of this, you can easily believe that we are entirely a whole, and this can lead to a lot of ideas. Racism isn't a thing under this belief. It's a nice concept.
Do you have any info on what you mean by associating things with yourself I often feel this way after taking LSD and the feeling is really hard to describe. The last time I felt it I was going to the bathroom and I was about to grab some toilet paper and I felt a very odd connection to it. Not emotional in a way but I got some sort of sensation like I was completely aware of its existence.
This is just one example there was many before that around the time I took Acid but I used to kind of brush them off as flashbacks but it felt like something much more.
I've never ever seen anyone bring it up it would be cool if you elaborated.
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