> Been living under the guise of a straight guy for whole my life so far. (I'm in my twenties now) > Been slow to date girls in elementary school, but then it went from first gear to fifth in high school. > At one party, while drunk, made out with a guy. No-one else knows about it but him and me. >Had weird talk about it after like: "Yo, remember that time we made out once?"; "Ye, we where so fucking drunk, man."; "Yeaaaah..." (Awkward laughs and silence) > Fast forward until like a year ago > Me abroad in a foreign university, job and all. > Broke up with another boring woman (it's hard to find anything interesting about 'em), after the whole relationship turned into "me trying to entertain her, since she has no fucking real interests" thing. > Disappointed and broken, since dream of "L'amour" with each next woman seems less like a dream, more like an delusion. > Stocked on a weed, and went into a two month long trip going through my past memories, relation-ships et cetera. > Remember kissing that guy > Remembered liking it. > Started to feels awkward around guys > Left country. > Went to my homeland and lived at my parents place for a while to gather my thoughts > Family and friends - homophobic, father hates on gays just like that on a daily basis. > Feeling like shit since there no-one I can really talk about it > It's weird to talk to old friends > Alienates from everyone > Goes back to the country I moved to. > Alienates from everyone there as well, since I still feels awkward around other guys. > FML no idea what's what now
>>546403658 Just fucking go to a gay bar and get fucked already, fucking man up.
God damn it, i never thought faggots would be this fucking beta. STOP giving a fuck about what people think of you, if they think less of you for being a faggot then fuck them and their shit. I mean, you'll find someone who will accept you, just don´t give in like a little bitch.
>>546404502 They seem like a really close bunch (apart from the ones who act like drama queens) so i thought they were comfortable being fags AT LEAST around each other. Speaking or interacting with women is one thing, they're almost a fucking different species but men know what's going on with one another, that's why we refer to one another as "bros". Fuck faggots like this OP really tic me off.
> Broke up with another boring woman (it's hard to find anything interesting about 'em), after the whole relationship turned into "me trying to entertain her, since she has no fucking real interests" thing. > Disappointed and broken, since dream of "L'amour" with each next woman seems less like a dream, more like an delusion.
man... i can relate to that so much...
i have no attraction to guys though, so i guess i'm stuck.
have a date with yet another girl tomorrow night... hopefully she's different.
>>546403658 > Broke up with another boring woman after the whole relationship turned into "me trying to entertain her, since she has no fucking real interests" thing.
Jesus christ this happens every single time to me
>get to know girl >she claims to be interested in X which I also like >start dating her >find out shes not really into X after all (if she says shes into anime she's only watched one or two shows, if she says shes into music she just listens to dadrock, says shes into vidya, only knows about Skyrim and Minecraft, etc etc) >end up having to entertain her 24/7
Anyways, as for your problem OP like other anons have said you just need to fuck a guy or at least start talking to gay guys to find out if that's really what you want.
He never stated that hes gay- he's never done more than kissed one guy. He's just unsure, but he'll never know for sure unless he gets exposure to the gay community. Maybe he's gay, maybe he's bi, maybe he's straight and in a slump, who knows?
>>546405045 Beta and alpha are just ways /b/ has to single out introverts and extroverts, it's the site's lingo you dumbfuck.
Setting that aside, going to a gay bar or geting a gay/bi friend like>>546405427 said might be true. In case you go for dating, take it slow. If you go straight to fucking you might get scared and that will only lead to more confusion.
>>546406052 He said he enjoyed it, I think him being gay or at least that he might be was implied. He'll never know if he tries though.
perhaps, i would have thought that it is pretty straight forward, if he is sexually attracted to women then he is straight, if he is sexually attracted to guys then he is gay, if he is sexually attracted to both then he is bi, if he isn't sexually attracted to either then he is a-sexual.
he can be not sure about what he wants to do about it, but if he looks at a naked woman and gets a hardon... i don't think that he could really call himself gay...
that being said he's free to do whatever he wants, that's just the standard definition as far as i know.
>>546406363 he could be physically attracted to women but the emotional attachment he wants might only be possible with men. Whatever his issue is, a hookup is a bad idea. He needs someone to talk to who would be open minded and not judgmental like his dad. he needs a gay friend
>>546406556 Man that's bullshit, his friend doesn´t NEED to be gay, he just needs a friend who isn´t and intolerant motherfucker. When I had my doubts I spoke to a friend of mine who's like my brother and he helped me trough that shit. He's also straight and the only time he's homophobic is when he's joking.
but then i can only speak from personal experience and from what i have heard from friends etc.
all my gay friends tell me that there was never a time when they were sexually attracted to the opposite sex, and i know that this has been the case for me, i've never had any question in my mind that i was straight, even though people sometimes think i am gay because i'm not macho and i like what i like and don't give a shit what other people think.
>>546406920 I didn't mean it like that. what i mean is that if he is gay, there are going to be things only another gay guy will understand. As good a friend as your friend is, and as great as mine are, there are things they just don't understand. Don't you agree?
OP, I think every country as a haven where gay people feel protected, just try and find yours. Also, don't confuse what you see here with homophobia. Here people are just trying to be funny or let steam out. Real Homophobia is a clear indicator of mental illness and you should make sure that anything that strongly violates your rights should be reported to the proper authorities who would care.
>>546404502 actually they have atleast once. http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/the-stonewall-riot I believe there was another riot somewhere else, but yeah, old school faggots fought back a couple of times.
>>546408010 You sound like you're in denial, like most of the fags in those threads, i might have said this>>546407849 as a joke but it's actually your true feelings which were confirmed by the need to defend yourself as it's shown in this post>>546408010
Okay speaking about having sex with women. I did consider it as good counter argument, but the again I think I only did that because it was expected from me. > Family Catholic > Was regularly brainwashed and emotionally blackmailed to go to Sunday-school since I can remember myself > actually broke in, when my teens arrived and my hormones with all the feels kicked in
During sex with woman I usually go in autopilot mode - my though just wander around thinking about random things. I do cum when stimulated enough, but it's more like from "If you stroke your dick it will get hard eventually no matter if you are horny or not." thing.
How do we define a gay man? a man who is attracted to another man right? Okay, so how do we define a man? We define him by his sexual organs, If you put tits and and a dress on a man and it still has a penis, it's still a man. So masturbating to guys in a dress with tits and a wig, is gay.
Buck angel still has a vagina, and is still a women. Traps still have dicks, and still are men.
I'll simply this for you.
Being gay is; Homosexuality (from Ancient Greek ????, meaning "same", and Latin sexus, meaning "sex") is romantic attraction, sexual attraction or sexual behavior between members of the same sex or gender.
Being a male is; A male (?) organism is the physiological sex which produces sperm.
Traps = men a man who are attracted to something with a penis is a man who likes another man a man who likes another man is gay
>>546409064 You don't consider yourself gay but you like fucking men? Okay. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
I don't consider myself hungry but I feel like I need to eat. I don't consider myself tall but I am over average height I don't consider myself a human being, but I belong to the race of homo sapiens. I don't consider myself [insert noun] but I [insert definition of noun].
If you're attracted to men, male characteristics is what you're attracted to. If you're attracted to females, female characteristics is what you're attracted to.
There's androphiles and gynephiles. Homosexual men and straight women are androphiles, and vice versa are gynephiles. Then there's autogynephiles, who might not be women, but are attracted to and aroused by the thought and being like a woman. They're attracted to the female characteristics.
Hence why marrying a person like Buck wouldn't be considered straight, despite their genitalia. Or vice versa
>>546409345 i wanted to try out having sex with a guy for a pretty long time but i didnt have the balls to just do it. last year i signed up to some random gay dating site and started chatting with this guy. (bi, married, has 2 children younger than me)
we agreed to have some beers and see what would happen - i ended up in a 5* hotel room getting my cock sucked.
i guess if you "can" watch straight porn and get a hardon (not by watching cocks) besides watching some random gay porn and get a hardon AND having sex with a girl nearly every day i dont see why i should consider myself gay.
Characteristics don't fucking matter, if i get on all fours and bark like a dog does it make me a dog? No, does putting tits and a wig on a man make him a women?No. Does some furfag wearing a furrysuit make him a squirrel?No.
Just admit that liking something with a cock is gay by today's standards of a man who likes another man is gay.
>>546410120 You did not read a thing what I told you, and have no understanding of orientation and attraction whatsoever
What you're saying is if a man (or a woman) lacks a single trait their gender commonly has, they're not that gender. A man with no prominent hair growth is not a man? Woman with no tits is not a woman?
And best of all, what you're saying, if you date a person with amputated genitalia you are dating a person of neither gender.
Anon through my personal experience i have learned that gender has little or no effect on your sexual drive and its mostly about aesthetics, what this means is that if you're straight you'll be attracted to them regardless of gender which is why so many people on this websites dont like traps and homophobes are insecure about their own sexuality its also why they're are lesbians that like girly looking girls and girls that look like guys. Its purely aesthetic. the only reason organisms evolved to have genders was so that they can reproduce.
you're not gay you're just indecisive with what you want and you should definitely take the time to think about this before you make any rash decisions.
one last thing, if your parents are homophobic they'll never accept you people dont change at least at that age so never tell them about it. they'll be happy and although you wont as happy it will be way worse if you tell them
btw OP you dont need to tell it to anybody, but i recently told a few of my best friends about my issue.
NOT A SINGLE ONE of them told me to fuck off, never contact him/her again, or that im a pervert, faggot, child molester or some shit. everyone of them accepted it. even the homophobic guy who rages about gays all day long, i told him he doesnt need to stop his faggot jokes, im ok with it. he actually did.
they even told me that im more of a good friend to them since i opened up.
One more thing, If i was born a man and lived my life as a man, then i put a wig on and wore a dress what would it say on my birth certificate ? would it magically change to gender:women? nope, Because I'd still be a man.
Although gender has little affect on your sexuality that still doesnt mean that people dont have preferences some people prefer cocks to pussys but this doesnt mean they are gay or straight this is just a preference the same way some people like blacks whites or asians i like traps but i still have a preference to pussy doesnt mean i dont like cocks it just means i prefer pussy. many people mistake they're preference for their sexuality. I like femininity vagina or penis, and yet i find manly bodies disgusting regardless of penis or vagina
And also, when a child is born do they define it's sex by it's characteristics? do they say "Oh that baby crys like a girl, laughs like a girl, has hair like a girl, it must be a girl" No. they look at it's genitals to define its sex
>>546411654 >I don't fap to traps >I don't fap to traps >I don't fap to traps >I don't fap to traps
>>546411742 All this time and the only counter argument you could come up with is, "if I put synthetic fiber on my head, letters on a piece of paper somewhere in some archive will magically change"
If you put on a wig and start the process of gender transition, yes, those letters might "magically change" after it has gone through certain amount of bureaucracy
>>546411943 Christ, you really are retarded, aren't you? How many times have I differentiated biological sex and gender as factors to orientation in this thread? Count them up, try not to get too confused once you get to ten, I'll give you a hint - eleven is what comes next.
>>546411797 Some Korean artist, Park something, hit the google button
>>546406341 i got a question for you mr expert on terminology. What if your really out going around people, but could not give a single fuck about them. Like when ever they talk it just all fake bullshit they are talking about to the pass time. Like they talk about literally nothing that matters. So you tune out and pretend to be social. Now a days im just so lazy, only thing i do is play games and exercise. Hmm i dont know fucking know more
>>546403658 why do care so much? I have really no opinion on gay or straight people. I tend to like both. So let me ask this, why do care? Like why do care if your dad hates gays. Your over 18 now. If the fucker cant love you for who you are its his problem, not yours. If he doesnt adjust, you dont talk to him, if he makes rude statements, you dont talk to him. You have the power brother. He will change, otherwise you wont talk to him.
We (or rather I am, because the individuals I am conversing with are helplessly incompetent) are talking about how attraction and orientation works, and how things like "gay", "straight", "androphile" and "gynephile" are not limited to genitalia, but that it is something that has more than a single anatomical factor involved.
It wouldn't be such a big deal if I went through this when I was younger, or a different time in general. I'm 23 now, wouldn't call this old, but it doesn't feel like the right moment to be having these thoughts because of the: university, work. Not to mention risk of completely screwing up the social life/standing.
>>546403658 I don't think you're gay. I think being gay is an excuse for not wanting to try harder and work harder for a woman. Women aren't easy; that's why they're fun. You just need to find a woman you like...it's pretty simple. You can't expect to be constantly entertained by them, that's your job to entertain yourself. I have done both straight things and gay things sexually and trust me womens are a lot better. You're just making up excuses for not being alpha enough to move from one women to another extremely quickly to find the right one. Do more hallucinogens
male [meyl] noun 1. a person bearing an X and Y chromosome pair in the cell nuclei and normally having a penis, scrotum, and testicles, and developing hair on the face at adolescence; a boy or man. 2. an organism of the sex or sexual phase that normally produces a sperm cell or male gamete.
When i wear a dress, and a wig, does it change anything internally ? does it change my dna?
You are truly the thickest fuckwit i have ever encountered on this website, you have no idea now gender works.
I am done arguing with someone who things because you act a certain way, it changes your dna. I'm off to go act like a old person and walk with a cane and shit, and go collect a pension, maybe after that i'll act like a blackguy and get a black person scholarship, then i'll put on a dress and go to women only events, and maybe after that i'll act as a kid, and go to child only events.
I haven't really read everything since I'm a lazy piece of shit, but you mentioned something about beeing catholic brainwashed and I at least took my time to read your greentext, and all in all your problem seems to be pretty much the same I had or at least it sounds a lot like me, I solved it with realizing that I actually don't give a fuck about gender ( I think its called pansexual or something) Like I dated a lot of girls and it was quiet never the thing but now I date a guy and its going fucking great. And I know that its not because I'm gay its just because I never really gave a fuck about this girls to begin with since it was more like: ah you know everyone has a girlfriend so get one too. And now I'm in a relationship with sombody I really like and everything is just so much better, and I just know that I'd also feel the same if I would really like a girl. Cuz gender is so fucking unimportant as a man you can stick your sausage in everything anyway, the real difference is if you like the person or not.
>>546413296 How did I avoid the question? It was bad rhetoric, and strawman-ish. I have no knowledge of ethnic transition, so you'll just have to help yourself. If you were convincing enough, you could adopt "nigger" characteristics and be perceived a "nigger", yes.
And you really are the most fucking dense, retarded, incoherent, illiterate person I have ever fucking had the pleasure to wreck intellectually, and I can still nullify all of that little copy paste of yours with two simple words and one symbol
>Sex =! Gender
>>546413582 Yes, run away, good bye and try not to get yourself rekt :^)
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