My son is 2. Can I bring him to a judo gym so he can git gud?

>>814922
Learn yourself till he's 5.

Then have him do other sports while doing judo 1/2 a week

At 15 he buckles down and does judo pro as possible.

get him into TKD, Boxing, Wrestling, and swimming too, all other oly sports.

>>814922
>2
Maybe when he can run without falling over

Grappling might be too much for his lack of intelligence (because he's young) and his body size (lack of partners his size to practice with).
So, you should get him started on some Boxing.
Once he's around 5, get him started on Kickboxing, maybe some Muay Thai by the time he's 8.
By 10, make sure he's started on Judo, Wrestling, and BJJ.
By 12, refine and further develop his Kicking skills with Taekwondo, and not the shitty TKD, either.
By 13, he should have a solid foundation for hand to hand combat.
Get him started on MMA formally (and by formally, I mean in a gym), and make sure he gets weapons training.
Knives, short swords, machetes, long swords, two-handed swords, axes, canes, staffs, clubs, nunchucks, 3-sectioned staffs, spears, etcetera, slings, bows, crossbows, pistols, rifles, long-ranged rifles, explosives, etcetera.

Also, make sure that his intelligence is challenged every day, the brain needs exercise, too.
You don't want to raise a stupid child, do you?

Given that your child isn't mentally retarded or something, he has to potential to become a genius, you just have to raise him right.
Don't throw away that potential like a loser.

>>815097
>two-handed swords, axes, canes, staffs, clubs, nunchucks, 3-sectioned staffs, spears,


Are you a virgin?

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>>814922
Beep beep, sport science coming through.

Start with swimming, then gymnastics, and add some track and field. Fencing or something like that would be good for reaction.

I would like to say that the 2 best martial artists I know (my coach and his buddy) were doing gymnastics as kids. In fact, they first met before training martial arts together in competition as gymnasts.

You can also expose the kids to the sports a little earlier, just no formal training. Variety in sports is key. T+F and gymnastics are great for that because they have built in variety.

Pic very related.

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>>815107
Oops, replaced my original picture which was more relevant.

Sorry for quality of picture, found it online and too lazy to get out my copy and take a picture.

>>815102
fr desu senpai

>>815102
>>815117

I'll have you know that for a fact, I've had sex with more than 200 women. That's right, women. I've gotten plenty of girly tang when I was a young lad, too.

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>>814922

I started Judo when I was 6. This is a good age to start.

Start with swimming at age 2. That's all you need.

At age 8-9 you can start with track and field, and add in a team sport.

>>814922
he can start rolling on the tatami. It's fun but for judo wait until he's 4/5
>>815125
>By 10, make sure he's started on BJJ.
>I've had sex with more than 200 women. That's right, women.
>That's right, women.
That's not right and you know it. Get out the closet, turborainbow faggot.

>>814922

You can put him into children Judo from 5 if you want to.

But you should know that for his later sport life it's literally meaningless what he does before adolescence. If he's twenty something you can't tell if he started with 13 or 8, because muscle growth has a lot to do with hormones..

Someone who started with 15 and has still 10 years until he reaches the average age for olympic competitors, os if he has dedication (and fun) he can still make it. And there are indeed guys that started in their late teens and made it to Olympia (Dave Starbrook, Naoya Ogawa, Ruska, Alan Coage, ..)

Of course most sucessfull fighters started with 10 or 11. But mind that there's a high percentage of kids who quit Judo when they are grown ups because it's what their parents wanted them to do. And there's also a big percentage of "young starters" who had a burn out and quit at their careers in their early twenties.

I'm with the people who say that it's better to reach your physical peak before you reach your athletical peak.

>>815797
>it's literally meaningless what he does before adolescence
It's literally not meaningless at all.
What he does and experiences will build the foundation of his brain while it's still very plastic and still developing.
It will create a strong mental foundation for the child.

>>815797
>because it's what their parents wanted them to do.
It's because the parents didn't know how to raise a child.
They conditioned Judo as a negative stimuli rather than a positive one.

Kind of like how that one kid was conditioned to be terrified of white furry things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Albert_experiment

>>815109
>skiing
>start 6-7
Nah man, if they can stand they can ski. That's how I did it.

>>815107
>gymnastics
I don't want my son to be a fucking manlet.

>>815917

But a child is a child. The neuroplasticity is an advantage, it's not the single most important factor. There are people with natural athleticism and the ability to pick up things quite fast, and there are guys who just can't into movement.

And what does all neuroplasticity in the world when you don't even have the muscles to make stuff work? Adolescense works like a bonfire in your brain and for your body, for stuff like movements it's just much more important what you learn when you are a teenager than what you do as a child. Children are not "smaller adults", they are completely differnt in many many ways..


>>815919

People are a little more complicated..

The point is you can condition children (more or less!!) easily. That's what is called "education".

But to condition young adults is quite hard or even contradictionary, because the whole point of adolescence is to break free from (social and parental) conditionings, it's part of becoming an individual with a free will and self determination.

In other words, you can TRY to let your child enjoy something, but even if you are the best dad ever, you don't know if he turn exactly the other way. Happens quite often.

>>816178
Pic related isn't a manlet brah. Gymnastics doesn't make people into manlets. Manlets are the ones that make it far into gymnastics.

>>816205
>There are people with natural athleticism and the ability to pick up things quite fast
Yes, it should be obvious that some people are more intelligent than others and or have an aptitude for certain things.

>neuroplasticity
Is potential, and kids have a whole lot of it. It's a very pure form of potential.

>the muscles to make stuff work
It's the brain that makes the muscles work.

>stuff like movements it's just much more important what you learn when you are a teenager than what you do as a child
From when a child is born to around the age of 25, the brain is developing. By doing things, you're using your brain. By using your brain, you're building neural connections. It's literally like lifting. You work your brain muscles, they grow stronger.
Yes, the brain goes through puberty and grows neural muscle mass sort of speak as kids grow, but that doesn't mean that they just shouldn't exercise until they're teenagers.

Starting young is getting a head start, not starting is just wasting time.

What you're saying is like waiting until 30 to exercise and expect to get strong instead of starting at 20.

>Children are not "smaller adults", they are completely differnt in many many ways..
You're the one that's failing to understand that.

>>816205
>People are a little more complicated..
You seem to fail to comprehend generalizations.

>The point is you can condition children (more or less!!) easily. That's what is called "education".
You should look into a dictionary some time.
Classical conditioning is not equal to education.

>But to condition young adults is quite hard or even contradictionary, because the whole point of adolescence is to break free from (social and parental) conditionings, it's part of becoming an individual with a free will and self determination.
>In other words, you can TRY to let your child enjoy something, but even if you are the best dad ever, you don't know if he turn exactly the other way. Happens quite often.
Those two sentences are not equal to each other.

One is
>conditioning adults is hard, adolescence is to break free from conditionings, adolescence is about becoming an individual

while the other one is
>parenting doesn't always work out the way parents want to for unspecified reasons

I'll link this for you again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Albert_experiment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_conditioning
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/education

>>816275
The battle of the 'bergers! Who will mumble...mumble...?

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>>816300

>>816264

>Starting young is getting a head start, not starting is just wasting time.

Agreed. But once again: if you start at 8 or at 11 doesn't make a differnce, because you can't become a "fighter" at 9 years, no matter how much you train.

I'm not saying it's bad to start at 6 or 7, but it just won't make a difference in the long run.

>What you're saying is like waiting until 30 to exercise and expect to get strong instead of starting at 20.

No, I'm saying starting in your early teens is quite good, starting in yout late teens is still good. Starting with 20 something you won't make it to the olympics, of course you can still get a decent fighter or teacher later on. Starting with 30 something is doable, but it will be a lot of effort and you need a lot more disciplince and training to get on a decent level. At 30 something your bone density starts to (slowly) decrease and your recovery time will get longer. Starting at 40 is still doable but even harder.

Of course this is very vague, for example you have to think about prior sports, if you did wrestling from 14 to 24 and start Judo with 25 you'll be quite good in a very short amount of time, if you did running your whole life and you satrt boxing you'll have a head start with condition and so on..

Most important difference:
Reflex response time gets longer, but physical growth keeps up until 30 something.

So while Judoka usually peak at 25 because speed and agility, many striking martial artists peak at 32 because more body mass and so on...

>>816275

>Classical conditioning is not equal to education.

It was a simplification, a metaphor.

>I'll link this for you again

Thanks, but I'm pretty sure I know more about psychology than you do. Classical Conditioning and Operant Conditioning is still a tiny part of psychology...

>>816663
>but it just won't make a difference in the long run.
And I'm saying that it makes a difference, a huge difference.

>the post
I'm starting to think I'm being trolled here.

>>816663
>I'm pretty sure I know more about psychology than you do
gr8 b8 m8

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>>816835

>And I'm saying that it makes a difference, a huge difference.

But you are wrong.

Science says: "increasing the training volume later (after 15) is more than able to make up for time NOT spent training when even younger."

And this is not just my opinion, it is what scienctists found out:

If we compare elite athletes to near-elite athletes, we actually find that both groups started sport about the same time, but the elite guys actually did differnt sports in the beginning and specilized LATER than the near-elite guys.

The elite guys entered significant tournaments about 2 years later then the near athlete group.

Key findings:
>1.) Elite athletes specialize later in their career.
>2.) Near-elite athletes pass through "milestones" sooner than elite athletes (I didn’t go into this data, but the summary is that the athletes who go on to be Near-elite begin sport younger, train hard sooner and enter international competition around 2 years earlier than athletes going on to be Elite)
>3.) Elite athletes enter international competition older (as for above)
>4.) There is no difference in the time spent on other sports
>5.) There is no delay in the athletic development that cannot be made up later with late specialization

Source:
>K. Moesch, A. Elbe, M.T. Hauge, and J.M. Wikman, “Late specialization: the key to success in centimeters, grams, or seconds (cgs) sports.”, Scandinavian journal of medicine & science in sports, 2011.

Read a summary here:
>http://sportsscientists.com/2011/04/early-vs-late-specialization-when-should-children-specialize-in-sport/

>>817024

>1.) Children who specialize in a single sport account for 50% of overuse injuries in young athletes according to pediatric orthopedic specialists
>2.) A study by OhioStateUniversity found that children who specialized early in a single sport led to higher rates of adult physical inactivity. Those who commit to one sport at a young age are often the first to quit, and suffer a lifetime of consequences.
>3.) In a study of 1200 youth athletes, Dr Neeru Jayanthi of LoyolaUniversity found that early specialization in a single sport is one of the strongest predictors of injury. Athletes in the study who specialized were 70% to 93% more likely to be injured than children who played multiple sports!
>4.) Children who specialize early are at a far greater risk for burnout due to stress, decreased motivation and lack of enjoyment
>5.) A 2003 study on professional ice hockey players found that while most pros had spent 10,000 hours or more involved in sports prior to age 20, only 3000 of those hours were involved in hockey specific deliberate practice (and only 450 of those hours were prior to age 12).

Source:
>http://changingthegameproject.com/is-it-wise-to-specialize/

Also "early specialization and playing on travel or select teams at an early age (before grade six) is a bad idea because it":
>1.) interferes with healthy child development
>2.) comes with psychological risk from stress associated with over-involvement and expectations of parents and significant others
>3.) doesn't guarantee future athletic success
>4.) hurts, rather than helps, skill development
>5.) is elitist
>6.) leads to overuse injuries
>7.) promotes adult values and interests, not those of children
>8.) increases the chances that the child will suffer burnout and quit sports
>9.) reduces the chance that children will stay active in sports as adults

Source:
>http://www.momsteam.com/successful-parenting/early-specialization-in-youth-sports-supported-by-myths-and-competitive-culture-not-facts

>>817027


So if you don't feel like read all the stuff, the summary is:

1. It's good to do sports early.
2. For children it's not good to do a single sport (specialized) a lot, it's much better to do serveral sports to develop various skills and specialize later.

This is also a nice (and short) study about this matter:

>http://www.yorku.ca/bakerj/High%20Ability%20Studies%20paper.pdf

>>817024
>"increasing the training volume later (after 15) is more than able to make up for time NOT spent training when even younger."
>more volume
And what if the kid trained when younger, and had the same "more volume" when at the later age? The kid that started earlier is better.

>>815196
Fuck off ninjerfag you've never been jn a judo dijon in your life

I still remember when you said armband were for breaking shoulder, everyone should do randori at 100% all the time, when you claimed you were a Navy scientist, and when you claimed ninjustsu was the best ever and then changed your mind and decided you were a world class judoka.

>>817097

Read the sources..

The point is, if you do SERVERAL SPORTS at young age you will benefit from it.

So when you do soccer, juggling and swimming until you are 12 and start Judo with 12, you might actually be better at Judo when you are 20, then if you had done ONLY Judo from 8 to 20.

I'm not saying that it's bad to do Judo from 8, but the key message is it's important to look for diversification in sports and to not push the sport by any means (!).

That means: if you (as a parent) are capable of not having expactations of you child having success in Judo - put it into Judo early and make sure your child does some kind of cross training (with a big variety, i.e. mix with team sports).

But if you have high expectations, it might be better to wait until you put him into Judo and raise the intensity slowly (of your child feels like it), because with 14 your child can give "full power" with a lot less bad side effects.

As remeber that one of the studies showed that elite guys entered important tournaments about 2 years later than guys, who didn't make it in the long run. So it's not about "losing time", it's more about "waiting for the right moment".

>>817642
>As remeber that one of the studies showed that elite guys entered important tournaments about 2 years later than guys, who didn't make it in the long run. So it's not about "losing time", it's more about "waiting for the right moment".
Correlation does not imply causation.

>>817770

Correct.

Also this isn't a true (randomised) experiment but a field study, also it isn't a meta analysis and so on..

But who cares anyway, because there aren't laws that prohibit taking up Judo as a stand alone martial art from the age of 5.

Still, if a lot of similar studies draw a similar picture, it's usually good advise to consider it at least as a working hypothesis.

>>814922
>>814944

No, not boxing, because brain damage, and not TKD, because it's useless.

Add weightlifting though. And, extra emphasis on the swimming and wrestling.

Also yeah, at least wait until he's like 5. For now, get him interested by watching.

>>818485
>not TKD, because it's useless.
TKD is great supplementation for kicking.
If you just train Muay Thai, you won't be a well rounded without something like TKD.

>>818547
>If you just train Muay Thai, you won't be a well rounded without something like TKD.
>>818485
If you train just Muay Thai, you won't be a well rounded kicker without something like TKD.

>>818485
>>818547
>>818548
Karate has a decent variety of kicks.

>>818547
>>818548

I never said anything about Muay Thai. Brain damage, remember?

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>pussy shit like judo

I sent my kid right off to the gym. Fucker does at least 3x5 or it's no bottle tonight.

>>815097
You're trying to raise a child not train fkin Batman.

>>819198
But what if I told you that more than 60% of all children could be batman?

>>819198
what's the difference?

>>819198

Yeah, I'd also recommend team sports:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg0Q92r6Fk8

>>815097
>train him in everything
>jack of all trades, master of none

>comes across a boxer, gets fucked up
>comes across a machete welder, gets fucked up

>>825405

>parry the boxer, grappling him down
>enough boxing to evade a machete cut and knock the guy unconscious

>>825405
A jack off all trades is a master of none, but better than niggas who ain't even decent at shit.
>>825467
>not shin kicking the fuck out of the boxer