/wwe/ general #1659

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/CorbinClub/ W W @?

>>794922

Is Roman Reigns the greatest wrestler of this generation, or is he the greatest wrestler of all generations?

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>>794922

SHIELD MEMBERS POST BREAK UP

SETH
>MITB winner
>wrestlemania main event
>WWE champ
>first ever WWE and US champ

ROMAN
>most royal rumble eliminations
>royal rumble winner
>wrestlemania main event
>survivor series tournament winner
>WWE champ

DEANETTY
>

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>was looking forward to AAA's next PPV
>find out it was cancelled this morning

>>794930
In the span of a year, they lost 3 of their biggest draws, including their mega champ. They are really fucked

>>794929
Roman Reigns is also a lone survivor after Survivor Series 2013

>>794936
>Survivor Series 2013
>post break up
Learn how to read, you stupid tripfuck

>>794929
which of those three does the crowd pop hardest too though? Sure ain't roman

>>794939
>most royal rumble eliminations
>Royal Rumble 2014
>post break up

>>794929
Seth Rollins is also the first ever wrestler to cash in MITB at Wrestlemania and the first ever wrestler to cash in MITB during a title match

>>794957
cashing in isn't an accomplishment

>>794929

Post Shield Break up, Dean lost every single PPV he was in until Extreme Rules 2015.

The spear is not an impressive finisher unless your name is Goldberg.

>>794967
or Rhyno

>>794971
or Roman Reigns

When is the edge and Christian show. Literally the only thing I care about in wwe now that Cena and Cesaro are gone and there are no good opponent faces for based sheamus

So how long is WWE going to keep Bray Wyatt out of the title picture before realizing he is the best heel they have?

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>mfw Daniel Bryan comes back to feud with sheamus and they put in epic matches like they did at extreme rules

>>794975
I see him getting the briefcase next year but not doing much until then

>>794967
>>794971
rhyno has the only acceptable spear.
goldberg had few good ones, but most of his were sloppy as fuck.

>>794979

Do you think the reasoning behind it, is that they want the Authroity(Steph & HHH and whatever heel is popular that month) to be the top heel faction, and elevating Bray Wyatt to that level would reduce Triple H and Steph's TV roles?

>>794984
perro aguayo died and both Alberto and botch cara quit

Can Raw be fixed?

>>794992
He was in the Perros del Mar a few years ago, but hen he went to do dragon gate

>>794986
honestly wouldn't put it past them since they don't let any faces get over because Cena and Rollins

>>794992
being fucking crazy and teaching his cats to wrestle.

>>794986
most likely.

haitch wants to remain relevant

>>794996
take an hour off.

>>795008
it's like poetry

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>>794922
>tfw my OC never came to be

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>>795011
>that guy taking a selfie with an ipad

>Roman 2:16 says I just killed your ratings

>>794996
>Go back to 2 hours
>Bury the divas division
>Put any amount of effort into booking storylines
>Allow more wrestlers than Cena, Lesnar and Rollins to reach main event level
>Get JBL and Lawler off commentary
>Replace Smackdown with NXT on Thursdays

That's a start.

>>795019
You mean Sheamus?

>>795024
Fuck off already anti-smark. Roman and Sheamus are equally responsible and you know it.

>WWE NXT Women's champion Bayley vs. Eva Marie
>Contract signing: NXT champion Finn Balor and Samoa Joe.
>WWE NXT Tag Team champions Scott Dawson and Dash Wilder vs. The Vaudevillains.
>Apollo Crews vs. Jesse Sorensen.
>Dana Brooke vs. Asuka.

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>>795033
>Eva vs Bayley

>>794929
>SHIELD MEMBERS POST BREAK UP

SETH
>RECORD
>LOW
>RATINGS

ROMAN
>RECORD
>LOWER
>RATINGS

DEAN
>MIDCARDER

>>795033
>Wasting a NXT Special match on TV
>TNA 2005 Contract Signing
>Who cares vs. Jobbers
>Generic Black Wrestler wins
>Kana's Ego: The Feud

>>795033
>yfw Eva wins and NXT starts it's decline simultaneously with WWE

>>795039
>>Wasting a NXT Special match on TV

That's not an NXT Special Match.
That's a filler-feud to pad Bayley's reign.
Nia Jax is her special match in the UK, I think.

>>795019
>>795026
>m-muh Roman's fault!

Wow.
You guys are delusional.

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>>795039
>a match with Eva Marie is Takeover worthy
>ever
the state of you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHZQMBnQ4Yw

>>795041
>>795045
She's more hated than Nia Jax.
And shockingly, a better wrestler.
Having that match in the UK would have been money.

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>>794977
>MFW daniel bryan comes back

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>>795044
Do you even read posts before you just start brainlessly shitposting?

I said EQUALLY responsible, as in blame does not rest solely on one or the other.

But if you want to talk about Roman, fine. This isn't the first time Roman has stunk up a ppv. The Royal rumble ring a bell? Or how they had to change the Mania plans this year because they knew Roman winning would cause a huge backlash?

Face it, feuding with Big Show a gorillion times is not paying dues, and its not proper build up. If creative had put literally any effort into booking him, it might not be so bad.

>inb4 fedora
>inb4 virgin

>>795047
I actually kind of agree.
I know she's talentless but when the fans have those legitimate organic feelings of animosity towards a talent you should always capitalize on it because with remotely decent handling it's always going to be at the very least memorable.
Same reason they should just buckle and turn Ramen Heel. Most fans legit don't like him. Why fight the tide?

>>795052
>all this tl;dr
>hating on Roman THIS much

>these are the people that desperately scratched and clawed trying to say ratings weren't Seth's fault because muh booking
>but now they're Roman's even though he's booked by the same shitty team

haha wow smarks are delusional

>>795047
>And shockingly, a better wrestler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wh8L8lgidk
no, atleast Nia and Bayley can tell a story. The only thing I can predict is that Eva is going to stink the place up tonight.

>>795052
>they had to change the Mania plans this year because they knew Roman winning would cause a huge backlash?

Huh? You dumb or something? Roman was going to beat Brock cause there was talk Brock was going back to UFC, and then he literally re-signed with WWE the week of wrestlemania. They were playing up "injured ribs" angle so that Roman would spear him and win.

The worst part about coming to /asp/ is having to integrate with literal redditers.

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>>795053
>Most fans legit don't like him.

>>795062
Can you please try at least family
This is a decent tippy reaction gif don't waste it

>>795063
I'm guessing you do not watch raw?

>>795062
You got short term memory loss friend?

>>795065
Yeah, he got good reactions on Raw.
But the other most recent evidence, the PPV the night before, he got slaughtered by people in attendance.
It was mildly uncomfortable.

>>795068
PPVs are always filled with more smarks than usual.
Every week on raw he more often than not gets more cheers than boos.
He's diet cena at the moment.

>>795070
True, but what you have to take into account is that the majority of fans are now smarks.
Marks that fill the arenas are no longer the more apt gauge. The people who watch from their couch and on the network are a much vaster viewership than the soccer-moms who pack their kids into an arena.

>>795072
Got anything to back up that statement fAm?

>>795074
That regularly around 3-or-so million people view Raw and roughly 10-15,000 people cram into an arena weekly.
Just basic extrapolation.

>>795079

Are you assuming that anyone tuning into RAW at home is automatically a smark?

>>794967
The jackhammer was his finisher, spear was just a set-up, like a chokeslam for the tombstone

>>795022
>get Michael Cole off commentary

fix'd

>>795084

it's just the internet dude. settle down. go outside. deep breaths.

>>795022
>Get JBL off commentary
pls no

>>795085
No, but on the same principle, they're not automatically marks.
Are you truly trying to deny that the average fan isn't a bit savvier to the business nowadays or at the very least likes to claim to be?
All I'm saying is that the people in the arenas are such a minority they can't really be viewed as a focus group for anything but that particular group of people who decided to attend. And even then Roman gets blasted 50% of the time.

1/4

>Bah Gawd! The WWE is failing! Vince needs to go!:

Vince McMahon is untouchable. He currently owns 52% of shares, not counting Stephanie, HHH, or Linda’s ownership. It is impossible to remove him as a director.
Best case scenario, he could be removed as CEO/Chairman of the company. This would require at least a majority of directors, more than a quarter of whom are his own family. But even if there was a coup, there’s absolutely no reason to remove Vince from operations. Because, despite what it may seem, the company is actually doing really, really well right now.
If you look simply at Net Revenue, every single segment of WWE is profitable with the exception of the film division (down 2%) and the money earned/spent for talent appearances and other corporate operations which is flat. The important thing to note here is that these sums largely relate to films not yet released and to a segment of the WWE that makes up less than 1% of its total revenue. In other words, the only aspect of the WWE that’s not profitable right now is also almost entirely irrelevant.
Live shows, television revenue, dvd/blu-ray sales, merch, toys, the wwe network…everything that you would normally associate with the WWE is up. And up by a lot (38% since last year).
When you consider the OBIDA, which is largely what WWE executives and shareholders are concerned with, the results are exceptionally better (up over 700% since last year).

>>795098
>1/4
no pls

2/4

>What the hell is an OBIDA?:

Now, I’m not a financial expert but I’ll do my best to explain what OBIDA is and why it’s particularly relevant to the WWE. OBIDA essentially eliminates one-time costs associated with producing the product. In the WWE’s case, this largely consists of the money spent to build the WWE Network, the WWE Performance Center, production equipment, one off tax ependitures, legal fees, etc.

In the case of the WWE, based on their OBIDA for this year, you can expect their Net Revenue to be much, much higher in 2016. Considering the move of Smackdown to the USA Network, the continuing rise of NXT, and the near guaranteed increase in WWE Network subscriptions, I suspect that revenue increase will be quite sizeable. Considering the quality of the show of late, I might stop watching, but if I had extra money, I’d probably buy stock in WWE right now.

3/4

>The Ratings Don’t Matter…at least not right now:

The fact is, despite the fall in ratings, the company is up almost 50% in net revenue from DVD sales, TV, WWE Network, YouTube ads, etc. They're up 20% in net revenue from live shows. And they're up 20% in net revenue from licensing, merchandise, toys, and games.

They're stock is more valuable today than it was 5 years ago. And that’s despite a massive crash in their stock at the start of 2014, caused by a failed negotiation with NBC Universal. Essentially, investors saw a big pot of money coming from a possible contract, they inflated the value of the stock in the span of a few months, the deal fell through, and the stock returned to normal. Anyone who says that WWE stock fell 50% between 2014-2015 is technically right, but also an idiot.

Across the board, television ratings are down about 10% since last year. The number gets worse if you look at 18-24 year old demographics which is down nearly 20%. Raw is doing quite worse than that and has dropped roughly 30% since last November. And if you feel like you’re seeing more advertisements, you likely are. I haven’t seen numbers for the USA Network or Raw specifically, but advertising on television across the board is up 10%.

Now, whether this matters or not is difficult to tell. Continuous reports on ratings slides can’t do much to inspire investor confidence. Unfortunately, if the company keeps making money, I wouldn’t expect to see the stock start to depreciate regardless of ratings.

4/4

>You’re not the demographic they're looking for:

The bulk of money being made right now has to be from children and parents. The 20+ year old smark that occasionally buys a Kevin Owens or Bray Wyatt shirt, who might see a live show once a year, and subscribes to the WWE Network is valuable but doesn’t compare whatsoever to the kid demographic. Those kids have a warddrobe of merch, they drag their parents/friends/siblings to live shows, christmas presents are full of replica title belts, action figures, and steel cage playsets. The average 8 year old is generating far more revenue for the WWE than the 20-40 year olds.

Unless those kids stop caring, there’s simply no reason to change the product. And sadly, the kids just wanna see Roman beat up the bad guys from week to week. I mean, just look at the top merch sales at live events from this summer.

1. John Cena

2. Roman Reigns

3. The Usos

Which one of you fuckers bought that Uso’s shirt?!

But seriously, the product ain’t for us anymore, at least not right now.

And, honestly, none of you are going to cancel your WWE Network subscription. You could completely stop watching Raw and Smackdown but won’t you still pay $10 a month for NXT, Table for 3, Legends, Breaking Ground, every PPV, and access to a library which contains all those wrestling memories that you cherish to this day? Of course you will. And the truth is, that $120 each year is likely more than you were ever giving the WWE before.

>>795085
Any wrestling fan who has the internet or the WWE network is a smark, since dirtsheets and shit like Tough Enough completely expose the business

How many wrestling fans do you think have either the internet or the network?

5/4

>Sources:

http://www.prowrestling.com/top-wwe-merchandise-sellers-revealed-details/
http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2015/1124/604168/wwe-raw-viewership-drops-under-3-million/
http://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe-raw/2014/11/4/7157715/wwe-raw-ratings-nov-3-2014-no-john-cena-vince-mcmahon-return-viewers
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1091907/000109190715000040/wwe-9302015x10q.htm
http://www.businessinsider.com/tv-ratings-decline-2015-9
World Wrestling Federation company charter and bylaws…can’t be bothered to find the public link to the document.

>TL;DR:

The WWE is fine. They don't need you. And for the foreseeable future, they're right.

>WWE has come to terms on the release of WWE Superstar Brad Maddox as of Wednesday, Nov. 25, 2015. WWE wishes Maddox the best in all of his future endeavors.

Oh fuck, right before Thanksgiving too. Savage.

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>>795110
Brad "The Mad Ox" Maddox is gone?

Well there goes the Bradditude Era...

You kids know this is fake right?

>>795112
it's not the same without the flags, colombia.

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>>795112

>>795097

>the people in the arenas are such a minority

>The people who actually pay money to go see the live shows are a minority that doesn't matter compared to the neckbeard who watches RAW and PPVs on streams and wants Cesaro to be the champ

>>795110
>hey get tombstoned by taker on the tonight show
>hey you're fired

this makes it look like he was disposable to them

>>795110

Wasn't he on this week's pre-taped Smackdown?

>>795110
source

>>795124
http://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2015/11/25/9802138/brad-maddox-released-by-wwe

>>795122
Must've have been a dark match

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>smarks

>>795110
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

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>>795126

>fullsail

>>795126
This aren't smarks, they're straight up marks

>>795119
>trying this hard

Cmon bruh you almost gave me a conversation there

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>>795110
Can't wait for more releases, please Vince

>>795108
So, this shit was written by a shareholder who doesn't even watch wrestling?

>>795128
>Also, I'm super happy about causing these Redditors even the slightest amount of anguish
based

>>795135
no

>>795132

You're the idiot saying smarks outnumber marks. Marks are people who just go to the show to have a good time, smarks spend time listening to podcasts from literal who's and dissecting what who said when and why x deserves to get pushed over y.

The average mark, even if they have a network subscription. do not care about what Tyler Breeze did in NXT.

>>795133
I'm guessing Rose will be released too.

>>795137

>we're like the CM punk of fan bases
Most unbased shit of all time.

>>795110
I have never even seen this man on TV after I got back into wrestling a 6 months ago

I love how no matter where you are, there's always a pop when the ref does the "you're outta here" thing

>>795144
yeah but anyone who booty bothers redditors is okay in my book

>>795140
marks don't exist past the age of 12

>>795112

Based Colomobia does it again

>>795138
>no talent that draw
>lowest ratings for 18 years
>fans turning away in droves
>fans that stay are extremely disappointed with the product
>but the shareholders are still getting paid so everything is fine

Looks like it was, or it's a very desperate mark's attempt at defending WWE

>>795151

Keep telling yourself that neckbeard.

daily reminded that Corbin wouldnt stutter and stammer over his words and would be a better champ than romin

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>>795144
>mention CM Punk
>WWE marks instantly get rump roasted

Everytime

>>795158

HNJNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG

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http://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2015/11/24/9793392/mick-foley-wwe-raw

>>795156

Sure thing kid

>Reigns wins WHC at TLC
>the ratings still decline
How will the anti smarks explain it?

>Paige and Charlotte allowed to wrestle a cumulative 30 minutes 2 nights in a row on TV.
>PTO ON THE TABLE!11!!!!
>Sasha and Becky who had a more than alright match at NXT TakeOver get less than 5 minutes

Not saying I care that much about women's wrestling but someone is intentionally trying to kill this company from the inside.

>>795163
More like, how will Road Dogg explain it?

>>795155
Everybody but WWE marks know it is true

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>I watch wrestling for the matches

>>795175

So the average idiot who says, "WRASSLIN IS FAKE HOW CAN YOU WATCH IT?" is a smark?

I think we can all agree that WWE needs more Fandango.

>>795181
>2:16

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>>795181
>he watches it for the plot

>>795170

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsEcQUGjXz4

>>795181
>>795181

Tell us how much you enjoyed Bray feasting on Taker's soul fagboy

>>795110
Aw man. I loved Brad's run as GM.

>>795182
If they know what words like 'smark', 'work', 'heel/face' or 'kayfabe' mean then yes

>BMJ literally talked about 'turning heel' on Raw
>implying there are any marks over 12 years old left

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>>795181
>I watch wrestling for the matches
>I only watch WWE's safe brand of children's wrestling where all the best moves are banned

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYP2A3uR5bY

>>795022
>Lawler off commentary

Lawler is still alright and shows flashes of what he once was when he actually gives a shit. Cole and JBL are cancer.

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>mfw I just saw the ratings for this last Raw
>Roman as the top babyface driving everyone away

>>795206
King is trash, he is past is prime is a shit joke teller.

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>>795209

It's not Roman's fault. Everybody knows Cena isn't on the card and doesn't care.

Cena is the draw. He took a backseat so WWE could try something new, it flopped, Cena is getting the belt back. Deal with it nigga.

>>795209

But Sheamus is the champion

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>>795209
>anti-smarks will defend this
>inb4 lol that's not how you spell Sheamus XD

>>795182

http://i.pomf.pl/jlcaug.mp3

>>795222

>>>/wooo/

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>>795213
>WWE
>Trying something new

>>795213
It'd be great if he beat Roman for it.

>>795213
>another 5 years of super Cena

Oh good

>>795222
What's this? WON?

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>>795226
At least use the gif you jobber

>>795214
Sheamus
>wrestled 0 matches last night
Reigns
>main evented last night

>Maddox fired for cursing during a dark match

This fucking company.
They were just begging for a reason to fire him.

>>795231

wewatchwrestling

>>795235
Seriously?

>>795237
Yup:
http://www.pwinsider.com/article/98076/why-wwe-released-brad-maddox.html

>>794929

>most royal rumble eliminations
>post Shield

>>795235
>>795237
>>795238

who gives a fuck he was sleepin on the couch when xavier asked if he wanted to be in the madden tournament and he was too lazy to wake up an answer him

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>According to several sources we have spoken to, Maddox was released due to language he used during a pre-match promo during a dark match at last night's Smackdown taping against R-Truth, specifically the phrase "cocky pricks."

That's harsh .

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>>795213
>mfw BMJ returns and saves Raw once again

is there any stopping this man?

>>795235
>>795238
>Sheamus tells Big E to "get the fuck in" the ring on a live PPV
>becomes champ
>Brad calls someone a prick during a DARK MATCH promo
>gets fired
What is going on with this company

>>795241
So? He was actually entertaining and a decent talker
>>795242
Didn't HHH just call someone a bitch?

>>795249

he hasnt been on relevent television in years

even last time he was on raw it was just a shitty GM gimmick

I hope Maddox is bitter enough to shoot on people now

>>795242
There were lil jimmies out man, he should've known better

>>795235
>>795242
just seems like an excuse to release him to be honest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMG8ZSFmfyg

>as of right now by technicality, three Yuropoors are main event heels in WWE

what the fuck went wrong?

>>795245
get your ears checked senpai then relisten.

>>795253
My point still stands, doesn't matter if as usual WWE doesn't use someone because they're morons.

>Getting fired for saying, "pricks"

>Meanwhile Hunter and Steph can call someone a bitch in the first hour of RAW

>>795260
Rusev is GOAT piss off Amerifat.

>>795234

Sheamus is the champion, not Reigns.

>>795260
>Ameripoors getting dominated

Looks like everything went right

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>>794922
Samoans are predisposed to have a large gut, yet the Rock had a single digit bodyfat% at one point and had one of the GOAT abs in the industry.

What's your excuse Roman?

>>795249
>So? He was actually entertaining and a decent talker

I thought that.
Then I saw him wrestle.
Go watch his tag match with Adam Rose against the Usos.
He's so fucking sloppy.

>>795252

>>795266
The whole show has been built around Reigns, it's been that way since HIAC

>hurrr durrr the champ is all that matters
Is it 1987 or are you just shitposting cancer?

>>795269
So?
>he watches the matches

>>795264
IT'S OKAY WHEN HAITCH DOES IT

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>mfw I watched RAW for the first time in months
Seriously? this potato nigger holds the same belt as the all time greats?
The guy that gets no pop and is slightly above average in the ring?
Seriously?

>>795270
we just discussed this

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>Sethfags make every excuse under the sun to excuse Snooz Borrins from taking blame for tanking ratings
>suddenly Roman gets the show built around him like it had been Seth
>"YOU SHITPOSTER IT'S NOT SHEAMUS' FAULT IT'S ALL ON ROMAN"

Suicide watch is real

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>>795266
>the champion is all that matters

This meme is getting stale. The whole product has been and is being built around Roman.

>>794922
>you now remember the crowd chanting "we want refunds"

>>795270

>let's start a whole thread that will get 3 replies instead of just discussing it in the very active general that used to always be active

You realize why doing that shit is lame as fuck right?

so we all noticed when the hard cam was focused on Ache's mouth when he told romin to step closer right?

i mean it was clear as fuck and cringe

>>795275
Hes Triple Hs butt buddy IRL. Plus Vince loves Irish wrestlers.

>>795273
When you're liable to injure someone I can see why they'd fire you, yeah.

>>795242

Wow, hypocritical bullshit.

If you're not chanting Chris Benoit when Triple H comes out, you're not doing your part as a fan. You're a fucking kekk if you don't

>>795281
You realize ur a faggot. Fuck off.

>>795266
Sheamus is just a cog in Roman's story

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>>795287
Kek

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>>795275
He's a 4 time WWE Champion, respect a goat when you see one

>>795271
>>795279
>>795290

Yeah but Sheamus is the champ, not Roman. When Bret Hart was killing the company in 1996, no one said it was cause of the "bad writing"

>>795288
>needing attention so bad you start new threads incase you dont get replies in here and then link said thread while the topic is being discussed already
Kill yourself

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when will it be

mine turn

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>>795292
Fucking based.
Now thats a champion! Just look at him dammit hes a viking warrior.
Vanilla midgets and smarks are on suicide watch.

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>>795292
>This bandwagon nigger
Nobody here was hoping for a Sheamus win before Survivor Series

>>795297
Will he be the first ever black champion?
(No The Rock is samoan. He even says himself that he identifies as samoan rather than black)

>>795295
Holy fuck stop shitting up the thread with your "roman isnt shit and widely disliked and the show isnt built around him" bait

Look, lads, can we just accept that it's the person the show is built around, not the champ?
It was previously Seth, now it's Sheamus, the new Champion.
Before Seth it was Brock/Cena who did well.
This clearly means that white mastodons are eternal draws.

>>795295
>Yeah but Sheamus is the champ, not Roman
how many times do we have to go in circles until you get it?

>>795278
this

>>795299
Im not him but I was honestly hoping he would cash in for weeks just to BTFO you vanilla midget loving smarks.
When Reigns won Iwas crying,
>then I looked at the clock and saw they're was a bunch of time left.
>fella.jpeg
I was screaming and jumping up and down when Sheamus won the strap. Truly a moment that will be remembered for years to come.

>>795302

I'm not shitting up the thread you faggot redditer. I'm stating a fact.

>>795292

>PLEASE CHEER FOR ROMON

good news TLC is in boston and next weeks raw is in Pitt followd by minny and a philly appearance in december

this shitty southern run isnt going to last.

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>>795266
>seth is the champion for months
>record low ratings
>"i-i-it's not his fault"

>sheamus has been the champion for 1 day
>doesn't even have a match on raw
>raw built around Reigns
>record low ratings
>"i-i-it's all sheamus' fault"

>>795305

How many times do you have to prove you're underage to not know that ratings always fall on the champion faggot?!

>>795303
the show isn't built around Sheamus, he's the transitional champ. He's not getting a long as fuck Reign or focus like Seth, It's all on Reigns this time.

>>795313

>It's not his fault

But I did blame Seth for the low ratings you moron.

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When is DubyaDubyaE gunna have a PPV in TORONTO?
Last one was in 2006 that was like 20 years ago.
Does Vince hate Canadians?

>>795295
Because everyone back then knew the cause was WCW dominating WWF in the ratings and put on a much better show

There is no WCW now

>>795295
Are you literally fucking retarded? That's not the god damn point.

Can't wait until Roman gets the belt, and the ratings continue to drop. What will your excuse be then?

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>>795323

>Mfw a butthurt redditer got triggered by facts near me.

>>795300
Might not be him, but there'll be one. Probably soon, since they'll probably be throwing all kinds of ideas at the wall and seeing what sticks, given how shit ratings are

Booker T was never champion?

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>>795324
>mfw a mouth breathing neckbeard thinks mindless shitposting is clever

What's up guys. I'm doing my dissertation on John Cena and how he inspired me to be the man I have become. I have created a powerpoint for some fan responses and I would really like some positive feedback to use. No profit will be mad, just want some honest opinions from real wrestling fans and what John Cena means to you all.

>>795325
Nope. He was WHC not WWE champion.

>>795329

>Say Sheamus is the champ not Roman
>Actual fact
>The redditer gets mad cause it cuts into him writing essays about how much Roman Reigns makes him feel inadequate as a man.

>>795313
>>"i-i-it's not his fault"
that was Sethfags

>>"i-i-it's all sheamus' fault"
That was Rofags

don't confuse the two

>>795298
>WWE's ratings on suicide watch

>people are still responding to this faggot repeating the same thing over and over about sheamus being champ
Stop responding retards

>This butthurt redditer upset no one is indulging him in his hug box shitposting and irrational hate for Roman Reigns

>>795318
I wasn't even talking to you cunt

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>the state of WWE
Honestly, if it wasn't for these threads would you seriously still be watching this shit?

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>>795334
>white knighting for Ramen Reens this hard

>>795313

Then why did you reply to my post you mouth breathing fudge packer?

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>>795299
>wwe furnishes their sets with Rothko replicas

talk about being out of touch, jesus Vince

>>795314
Why was nobody blaming Brock for the shit ratings when he was champion even though he didn't show up for months?

>>795344
What kind of faggot watches because of these shit threads?

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>implying i even watch it now
I just like talking shit to smarks. I need a new hobby.

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>>795345

Oh I'm sorry, I should be white knighting this fat manlet neckbeard instead. Will that make you feel better?

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>never over
>wrestling posse got rekt into retirement
>big moment was being a punching bag for oldfags
>super jobber

What does he even do?

>>795344
No, absolutely fucking not.
I stopped caring about the product the second D-Bry got injured in 2014.
Before that, the end of 2013 was a trainwreck and I almost gave up watching.
Now, I'm just here to see how bad it is every week and hope for the occasional good match.

>>795335
What is the difference? They are both pathetic fanboys

>>795349

Ratings were never record low when Brock was champ though.

>>795352
Lol dank meme dude XD

>>795352
6'0" isn't manlet

>>795353
He's fun backstage

>>795353
>forgetting based Slater Gator
Deserved to be champs

>>795353
>never over

He was the top heel comedy jobber in 2012.

>>795352
you're dumb as fuck

>>795358

>XD

Uh oh I upset the redditer and he's going into full damage control.

>>795353
Gets paid pretty well to job and is well-liked backstage.

>>795359

6'0" with boots and lifts, and he still looks pathetic standing next to Randy. Literally how does anyone root for this hack?

>>795268
He didn't get lypo.

>>795356
the difference is which group is currently on suicide watch.

>>795357
They weren't good either

>>795373

They weren't as bad as Jasethy's and Sheamus'

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>I hate Michael Cole

>>795371
>Rollins launched us into the 'record-low era' and now has an ACL Tear which has put him out for 6-9 months

>Roman is taking us into the unbelievably less-of-a-draw 'record lower-era'

Both?

We can all agree that Bray Wyatt is the best thing about Raw.

>>795376
Hi, Cole.
Reverse psychology doesn't work here.

>>795377

But Roman isn't the champion you faggot. Sheamus is.

>>795378
I wish we got to see him wrestle more often desu
He's really not benefiting from being in a stable because it just means the Face(s) always overcome the odds and beat them all up.

>>795336
Thats because of countless vanilla midgets like Daniel Bryan, Kevin Owens and Seth Rollins are turning away a large demographic.
Do you think people are seriously going to keep tuning in when midgets like Daniel Bryan and Kevin Owens are going over greek gods like Triple H, John Cena, Batista and Brock Lesnar.

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>>795367
>Literally how does anyone root for this hack?
>says the Ramen fanboy

Why don't you guys just admit that no one likes WWE or pro-wrestling anymore?

Why is it the only time discussion is active in here is when retards take bait and go back and forth like retards?
>actual discussion posted
>no replies
>hurrrr durrrr youre a nigger for liking someone i dont like reddit woo etc
And you faggots wondered why you got the general purged from /sp/.

>>795385
The /wwe/ generals are not regular hubs of meaningful discussion anymore.
The 100's of tangential threads spread across /asp/ are.
This is why we actually benefit from being here. We get focused discussion from them and meaningless shitposting in here.

>>795380
it's not about who's champion, it's about who's the show built around. we've been saying that since the start

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>>795383

>Implying I'm a Roman fan boy

I only care about Brock and Paul Heyman. Everyone else is literal diarrhea. I just like to trigger you redditers who think fat hacks who wrestle in basketball shorts will pop the ratings up. Viewership would be 500,000 if you gave that fat fuck the main belt, let alone both the IC and WWE belt like most of you faggots wanted.

>>795385
>And you faggots wondered why you got the general purged from /sp/.
Is anyone actually wondering this?

>>795384
head back to your tripfag general

>>795385

>people going back and forth isn't a discussion

Sorry this place can't be like reddit where we all come together and say how many Cesaro section signs we're going to be handing out >for free at the show tonight.

And the general didn't get purged because of the discussions going on inside it you dumb /asp/ie/wootist.

>>795384

same reason people watch game of thrones to talk about how much it sucks. boredom bro. let me guess, you're on break from your 6 figure salary job and just taking a breather to post on 4chan?

we're all fucking high, we're all fuckups, and we all used to like wrestling so its funny to talk about how much it sucks.

>>795382
Bryan and Owens haven't been in the main event in the record-low era though, so the blame has to fall on shitters like Sheamus, Reigns and Rollins

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>>795385

>literally every /sp/ thread

>>795395
That's not answering my question though really. The average normalfag isn't posting about game of thrones on 4chan or about WWE on here. I'm talking about society as a whole just doesn't care about WWE. Its no longer cool to like wrestling.

>>795385

We got purged cause someone was spamming and shitting up /sp/ then when Hiro came to investigate he said it was someone from /wwe/ and that it didn't belong there.

Not cause of what we used to discuss in them you triple idiot.

>>795388
So Diesel wasn't to blame in 1995? HBK in 1996? Punk in 2012? Rollins in 2015?

>>795396
Exactly thats what im saying. The vanilla midgets made fans go away. Now no one wants to watch wrestling because its a complete joke.

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>>795401
>triple idiot.

This is cringeworthy.
Are you this Anon?

>>795385
go back to reddit with your nigger taste in wrestlers.

>>795399

why are you such a faggot that you have to care about what other people think of things you are interested in? i've never had a girl care that i like wrestling. "oh thats just something he likes, ill go in the other room and watch growing up kardashian" or whatever it is these hoes watch. Stop giving a fuck. It's funny to watch raw because its live television and wrestling is hilarious. If you don't laugh at botches and people forgetting their lines. You suck balls.

>>795399

Vanilla midgets killed this business and the culture.

With all the great writing on TV shows nowadays, is it really that hard to bring in some competent writers?

Or are they just trying to appeal to the child/moron market and don't want any storylines that are too complicated with decent writing?

>>795402
The show was built around them

>>795408
What are you 14?

Everyone here is talking about ratings. The reason why ratings are down is because wrestling isn't cool.

>You suck balls.
Are you this guy? >>795404

>>795412
Writing for WWE isn't the same as writing for a normal tv show though

>>795413

>2012
>Show built around Punk

Nope. Cena was main eventing PPV matches against John Laurinitis while Punk was champ. It certainly wasn't built around him, but he was the champ and people did not care.

>>795413
the show is now being built on Sheamus

>>795403
>sheamus
>reigns
>vanilla midgets
ok then

>Now no one wants to watch wrestling because its a complete joke.
You can thank Vince turning into children's TV for that

>>795402
>HBK in 1996?
WCW was to blame

>Punk in 2012?
The show was built around Cena so he was to blame

>>795409
Vince killed it himself by making it a PG show full of water downed storylines and characters that don't appeal to anyone over the age of 10

>>795414

im 30. i understand that most people only really care about themselves. Unless your with a chick who is like into something weird like collects bugs. But if you watch wrestling she doesn't care.

Kids don't watch wrestling because its corny. And i watch wrestling because it's so bad and it's so corny it's so fucking funny.

When wrestling was at its best it was funny.

Watch this clip and not laugh your dick off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFg-qCSeLXE

>>795425
You sound mentally retarded. Stop replying to me you fucking ape.

>>795402
The show was built around Rollins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP1Bp8qiFig

>>795420
They've learned. They put vanilla midgets back where they belong. THE MID CARD!.
People won't take wrestling seriously if they tune in and see a bunch of virgins cheering on a 4' foot manlet doing circus flips.

>>795418
You can't just say that retard, the focus has been on Reigns since HIAC. Sheamus didn't even have a match last Raw.

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>>795426

>>795416
Replace 25-50% of the creative staff with people from outside wrestling. Get some new blood with non-wrestling ideas, then adapt them for the medium

It seems like the overall trend in the market has been toward smarter fans than in the past. They need to change the product to adapt

>>795431
We'll see, Sheamus has only had 1 night as WWE champ on RAW and it's already been disastrous

>>795430
People won't take wrestling seriously if it's a TV show targeted at children, they need to fix that first. You think people take Nickelodeon seriously?

>>795412
What needs to happen is a reduction of the writing team. Most of the writers themselves are fine.
Russo was right. 20-30 member writing teams never work.

>>795433
>Replace 25-50% of the creative staff with people from outside wrestling. Get some new blood with non-wrestling ideas, then adapt them for the medium
If this became reality we'd see a lot more swerves. The popularity of Game of Thrones and Walking Dead by killing off people for shock value has infiltrated the public mind as something that passes off for good writing. I don't know if outsiders would really be the answer if they don't understand the business first. The reason Heyman succeeded with Smackdown because he understands WWE probably better than anyone else working in the company.

>>795084
>why did wrestling even get moved to "alternative sports" thread?

Nigga, it was originally here.

>>795434
stop replying to me

who is this shitty !!J+wx+ZdaYpX trip

he doesnt even have a cute anime avatar like kirino on /sp/ did or anything else

he probably likes charlotte sexually too

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You should be very, very afraid of Charlie Flair.

If she is even 1/10th the drama queen, attention whore her father was, we are all literally fucked. She already exploited her dead brother to get over, and was handed the title due to nepotism. it's just the beginning.

>>795446
no
>>795451
the divas revolution was a mistake

>>795450
I don't give a fuck about Charlotte.

>Why isn't this tripfag being an anime avatarfag attention whore? How am I supposed to yell at him now!!!! He doesn't even have a name!!

>>795451
Nah. She's a Woman, she has no shelf life.
Couple that with the fact that she has a freakishly masculine frame that will likely begin to cave in on itself as she begins to produce MORE testosterone in her age and her body literally can not cope with all the penises growing over her body.

remember to filter all tripfags and ignore them and dont give them any attention

>>795450
he is an /asp/ie tripfag with reddit opinions, just filter him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkzBiirE4XU
I miss Chris Benoit

>>795456
Shame I can't filter bretcunt t b h

>>795459

someone tweet this to edge right now pls

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Meanwhile, in /tna/...

>>795436
>>795439
True. Still, if you keep the non-wrestling people to less than a majority and get writers who understand their role (basically, that any ideas they come up with are going to have to be altered to work for the wrestling medium), it'll make a better quality product.

The storylines have become stale and predictable. Something needs to change, particularly as the demographic is no longer willing to tolerate dumbass shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwUPKv6TBNw

spitting the truth

this hybrid of appeasing both smarks and marks needs to go. hhh needs to stop browsing reddit and pandering to the vocal minority that is smarks, fuck them. just target the product purely to marks and ratings will go up.

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How do you fix WWE with the guys remaining

here's what I do:

>Call Cena yesterday and tell him he has to come back, tell him I owe him one
>He feuds with Sheamus, beats him at TLC (it's in Boston)
>Cena elevates the title again and it means something, ties Flair's record ect ect
>Bunch of part timers come out to congratulate him including Austin, Undertaker, Rock
>Trump's music hits, comes to the stage with Ivanka and his non-autistic son (the one with the darker hair)
>Tells Cena he is a tremendous champion, one of the greatest in fact
>says he has a guy who's learned some new tricks since we last saw him
>says his personal friend Jerry Jones wants to make wrestlemania Star the most attending sports entertainment event in history
>Trump says he knows just the guy but we'll have to wait to see what happens
>Trump is shown throughout the build up to the rumble, on the phone, in a luxury box, on his plane just sticking in Cena's head
>Shows up on Raws, random ppv's,
>hires Swagger and Axel to take out Del Rio and Zeb, cuts promos on Lucha Dragons and el Toritos as a filler story while he waits for his man to become available
>Raw becomes must see TV, Trump is simultaneously making america great again while saving wrestling
>in kayfabe Trump buys the Rumble PPV and rebrands it as The Royal Trump-le
>he changes the game: there's no preliminary matches, just a 50 man rumble and people can buy their way in for a spot
>the higher they bid the better their spot, the raw before feels like watching the stock exchange
>people trying to pool resources to get a better spot (including part-timers)
>Cena's on commentary the whole time speculating on who his opponent will be
>Taker comes out at 48, Rock at 49
>50th spot hits
>It's trump himself, he strolls to the ring to announce his pick for #50
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks3st1dG4UY hits
>he stands in the middle of the ring, smirking at the other Part Timers, then fixes his gaze on Cena

how hard do you mark?

>>795467
Every time I see these fantasy bookings I laugh thinking about how much time you wasted coming up with this garbage.

>>795467
Isn't he busy, y'know, running for president?

>>795469
>he doesn't take pride in his shit posting

>>>>/b/

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>I like roid shooting vanilla gorillas

>>795467
11/10

anyone got a link to Big Match Dave's podcast this week?

>>795479
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtJRPulyvgo

Are house shows more fun than televised ones?

>mfw they are gonna continue shitting on Roman and Dean until Seth comes back and reforms the Shield and they each take a strap while feuding with the authority.

Roman WHC
Seth US
Dean IC

Young Bucks will be tag champs so they won't be holding it.

>>795451
she already has the divas title

not much more she can do from this point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwUPKv6TBNw

Smarks killed the ratings.

>>795487

>Young Bucks
>Wrestling anywhere with over 10 people in attendance

Doubt.jpeg

>>795038

Thank god they didn't roll with Dean for LOWEST RATINGS

Reminder Vince McMahon owns 52% of WWE and nothing will EVER change

>>795490

Who are these skinny vanilla midgets?

>>795497

The smoochblisters.

>>795498

I like what they have to say. They're right about how indie schmucks killed wrestling. Wrestling is dead.

>>795490

Told ya all that NXT is gonna be the death of WWE.

>de city of Blake

>Former NXT Tag Team Champion Wesley Blake was arrested for DUI the day before the 4th of July this summer. Pro Wrestling Sheet obtained video of his refusal to take a BAC test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJgMNsJUB10

https://youtu.be/wz-yYqmJC5E
Rooster the GOAT

best interview in a long time

>>795494
>actually thinking Dean wouldn't draw AE era ratinga

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when's nxt?

>>795523
less than 2 mins

>>795490

>Dolph Ziggler vs Tyler Breeze

I dunno, but the way they say it just makes he kek out loud.

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>>795528
great.

>>795531
Call to me bby

>>795530

Well they're right, that match isn't PPV worthy, let alone pre-show of a PPV.

>>795535

Hell a match like that isn't even Raw worthy, more Smackdown if anything.

Joe literally has fat man cartoon music.

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wouldn't be a contract signing without chaos.

>Balor
>Talking

Eww this fuccboi drooling

>replay of walking

Is Dash and Dawson the shittest gimmick in NXT?

>>795559
Do they even had a gimmick?

>>795559
They have a gimmick?

>>795561
>>795562
Their gimmick is having no gimmick.
It's a GOAT gimmick desu.