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what's the best fighting stance?

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what's the best fighting stance?
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>>754691
Horse of course
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>>754692
But no one can talk to a horse, of course
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>>754691
Probably just general western boxing or muay thai for bare hands

If you're using a weapon it depends on the weapon
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Horse. I beaten the regional karate champ with it.
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>>754691
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>>754744
guns are so awesome amirite
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>>754745
>implying i'm wrong

come at me with your fists and let me know how that works out for you, faggot
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>>754765
how typically american. how insecure do you have to be to unironically argue that the right to carry is somewhat a good thing. do you have any explanation for the 284 mass shootings that happened in 2015 in america, as opposed to canada's 0? yeah, murder is so badass, right. and guess what, all those weapons are not even contributing at keeping one's home safe. america has a 33% higher burglary rate than canada, and the probability that those burglars are armed are god knows how much higher.
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>>754765
also elliot is very very much against weapons so use a different pic
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>>754768
nice sources m8
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>>754770
The burglary/break-in rate in the USA (670.2) is 33.1% higher than in Canada (503.7), the theft rate in the USA (1959.3) is 33.4% higher than in Canada (1468.4), and the auto-theft rate in the USA (229.7) is slightly higher than the rate in Canada (223.5).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Canada

sources on mass shootings are far more numerous, here is one for example

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/01/2015-274-days-294-mass-shootings-hundreds-dead/
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>>754768
>red herring: the post

Why don't you just answer his question: do you believe your krotty is more effective than a firearm weilded by a properly trained shooter? We are discussing the efficacy of stances, after all.
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>>754771
which is which? dont the guy on the right get kicked in the abdomen?
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>>754772
>Wikipedia
>Washington Post
>Reliable Sources
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>>754772
There are also more cars, homes, and people in the United States than Canada. We could take the inverse and say Canada has a lower percentage of not getting robbed, carjacked, etc.
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>>754742
thats because he didnt sweep your leg

>>754771
actually im having a bit of trouble with this one.

MT stance is mostly rear weighted so the front can check easier.

boxing stance advocates 50-50, sometimes a little more to the rear.

what are the benefits of each in terms of weight distribution?
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>>754777
it's already a rate by habitant
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>>754772
Because gun laws totally effect theft rates
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>>754768
what about that shooting in the canadian house of commons (or whatever that governing body is called). you folks certainly made a big show of that.
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>>754778
the 50-50 stance will keep you in place and make it more difficult to move out of. this being due to the fact that you would have to shift your weight to begin moving, or even kicking. This particular weakness can be overcome if you keep both feet very close together, widening your stance only for the purpose of kicking or a large step.

the MT stance puts the majority of the weight on a single leg. this allows you to shift weight more easily to the other leg and to step more effectively. it also leaves one leg prepared to strike with little preparation or warning.
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>>754768
should we count off how many you hit?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
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>>754778
MT typically is around 50-50. If you're too heavy on one leg you won't be able to get it up to check a kick in time
>>754798
lolwut
you can't throw a roundhouse "quickly and effectively" with all your weight on one leg
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>>754803
is that your get out of jail free card? bring up a list of fallacies makes you win an argument, no explanations needed, no logic, no reasoning.
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>>754810
since the post i was responding to had absolutely no bearing to the conversation at hand, yeah, pretty much. i wasn't going to give them a real response since they didn't give me a real response.

but that's probably because they knew they'd lose, so they through a bunch of unrelated political garbage out and hoped something would stick.
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>>754813
you're dodging the subject because there simply is no logical way to defend your position.
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>>754814
Is your position that you can, through unarmed fighting techniques, defeat a trained shooter armed with the weapon of his choice? Because you are the one who is dodging the missus
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>>754817
we are on a sports forum board. the op is "what is the best fighting stance?" you came up with firearms.

are you seriously arguing that I'm the one who derailed the subject?
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>>754814
>op: what's the best fighting stance?
>me: post pic of best stance
>you: ooohh noooeezz!!! gunz r bad guiz cause murrika and stuff

so yeah. you're the retard
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>>754824
>implying shooting isn't a sport
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>>754824
>getting this butthurt about jokes
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A Karate-like stance is in fact the best fighting stance.
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>>754850
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There are absolutely no disadvantages to using a Boxing stance.
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>>754852
>Hard to check kicks
>Slow teeps
>High center of gravity so it's easier to get thrown
>Lots of room for people to shoot takedowns

Definitely one of the better stances still
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBTYLGH9S7U
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>>754772
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Almost every country in the highest bracket of gun ownership has incredibly low murder rates. Guns have nothing to do with the rates of violent crime.

Equally, there is no hand-to-hand combat style as effective as a gun. Even in the military, the hand-to-hand they teach you is mostly about how to hold your own until a buddy shows up with a gun.

You can kindly eat dick now.
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>>754798
ah i see. that makes a lot more sense now. thanks!

>>754809
idk how you throw yours, but when i do mine, the weight shift from back to front assists with the momentum. might be a tad slower, but i only ever throw it at long range.

as for checking, i think the other guy means you go light lead foot, heavier rear allowing for quicker front checks.

ive hardly ever had to check kicks to the rear leg. reason being since im southpaw, most people cant reach it.
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What about this fighting stance?
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>>754778
He sure tried, but can't. Doofuses don't understand the greatness of low stances.
>>754907
It's a good stance if you have space to step back. Against a wall use this one instead.
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None. Stances leaves clues to what and how you plan to attack.
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>>754917
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>>754691
Old school boxing L-Stance,

Weight on back foot, foots in 90 degree angle, head of center line, "crouch" on hip but straight back.

hands rather low and left hand slightly extended.

As still done by mayweather and bhop.

Similar stances used to exist or still exist in Muay Chaiya, bareknuckle boxing, gracie jiu jitsu old school savate and old school wrestling.

Weight distribution might differ though and the head of center line is unique to boxing, old wresslin and old savate but imo essential.
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>>755083
B hop fightin old style.

If Cherpillod in the pic before would make fists and get off his heels he would be in this boxing stance, too.
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>>755084
savateurs with old guard.

In savate mobility, positioning and evasion are used to counter low kicks. But checking is also possible from this stance, with the weight on the back foot.

And regarding the low hands: Saenchai does it too.

Somluck Kamsig is another fighter to study, he shows how to combine boxing skills like bobbing and weaving with MT.
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>>754860
I was just shitposting, don't mind me.
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Screw stances, Ginga is superior.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbUxXJKitS4
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>>755087
This stance is outdated in modern savate. Just saying.
>>755178
haha, very funny.
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Jerome le banner
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>>754691
shouldn't the answer depends on what is the context of the fight ? I like to think that Kickboxing/MT stances are the most balanced, but they have obviously weaknesses. Also, no striking stance will ever protect you from a tanking wrestler that wants to grab you and bring you to the ground. You have to either dodge his rushes or to be trained in grabbing stuff so that you can hold your ground or accept the wrestling fight.
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>>755299

>doing Judo
>basic kickboxing stance is perfectly fine for your techniques
>knowing grapplers can't fuck with you
>feels_good_man.ogg


On a sidenote, pic related is my favorite stace:

-toes pointing foreward
-hands slightly outstreched
-weight is 60% on the front leg (kyokushin fag, so I'd rather stuff the kick than check it)


Any comments?
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>>755329

Another picture of the same stance, easier to see here..
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Drunken
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Whatever is your dominant fighting stance, change it. Reverse everything. Change everything and leave your comfort zone. Unless you have been training everyday for years and years your body needs diversity. If you're on the streets training dooesnt matter if you're drunk and stupid. Lift weights? Idk. Peace out.
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>>755338
chink/faggot
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>>755904

You don't understand the purpose of a fighting stance, do you? It's not about being in a comfort zone, it's about covering your vulnerable points. You achieve this by getting used to a fighting stance so much that it becomes natural.

If you look at fights (in slow motion) you see that most KOs happen when one of the fighters fails with the basics (i.e. dropping the hands, bad footwork). The secrets of good fighting lie all within the basics.
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>>754797
Of course we did. A man was murdered in front of Parliament.

Surely you realize how desensitized the American public is.
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>>755291
>outdated in modern savate

I have done savate myself.

If you read my post you will see that I wrote "Old Savate". But I don't think it is really outdated, especially if one were to use it in full contact/combat or MMA.

Point system, too much assaut and the losss of the lineage in boxing are to blame (Pretty much any savateur will cross train in boxing, we often did boxing assauts in training).
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>>755943
>dropping the hands

see >>755083
if you have good defence dropping hands is no prob, but actually helpful. See mayweather, toney, b hop,louis blackburn, willie pep, ezzard charles and other defense geniuses.
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inverted
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What stance is the guy in the yellow shirt using in this video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H5IRVS9yT
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>>754691
Depends on the situation. If you are unsure if you will be attacked or are facing multiple attackers, in my opinion standing like normal is best.

If you are facing one opponent then something similar to a standard boxing stance or whatever suits your personal marital experience.
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>>756109
>MMA
I was talking about savate, not savate usage in X. I agree, too much assaut.
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>>755178
>>755291

he's not kidding. Ginga is the standard neutral for Capoeira. it's main advantage is the fact that you are constantly in motion with a low center of gravity. while you lose power in your upper body, your lower body is able to be brought into the fight far more fluidly than a traditional stance.

while not optimum, it has potential.
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>>756183
I guess doing karate made me immune to stupid dancing moves because the answer to ginga is very simple : do not move.
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>>754803
Fallacy fallacy
>inb4 fallacy fallacy fallacy
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>>754768
Murica population : 1 billion. Murica is 45 states. Canada is one big bloc of ice with few people. Tabarnac de kriss!
284/45 = 6.3 mass shooting by country. It's a small price to pay for freedom. Of course the media always talk about those but never how much tragedies can be avoided by guns.
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>>756115
It seems like this stance requires a notable amount of balance, especially when moving from this stance.
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itt: memes
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>>754768
lol this yurolard is so salty
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>>754907
Good, but maybe square up a little bit of you're worried about takedowns.
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Alber
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>>754775
In MT. We can check the roundhouse by shifting the knee and elbow to block it.

Theres various style within MT itself.
Most of them implies tilting your lead leg to load up for kicks and teeps and arms cupping the head/ hover over for kicks/elbows flying to the head.
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>>754691
I've always found backstance the most useful.
very mobile, not easily tripped.
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>>754826
why is your picture alvin and the chipmunks?
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>>754907
>not keeping your hands up to defend the head with blocks.
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>>755178
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpCgqWiTGpo
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>>765075
>leaving everything else completely exposed
>what is head movement
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There is no fighting stance n self defense. You do not assume a cat stance or anything. You do not want your attacker to know that you have prepared yourself by training in martial arts.

There is no such thing as most effective in real fight. Every fight is different. Every fighter is different. You do what your training has taught you for that situation.

If you want to learn this go join a class and train. A video will not prepare you for anything but to get hurt without real training.
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>>765344
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>>765113
>leaving everything else completely exposed
>what is footwork and body movement

>what is head movement
Headkick bait. For a recent example, Henderson vs Belfort. Enjoy being on someone else's highlight reel.
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>>765440
>>what is footwork
Running away.

>>what is body movement
Takedown bait.

>Headkick bait.
>what is footwork
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>>755178
Hitmontop
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>>754768
what's being an absolute pussy like?
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Isosceles is generally best for pistols, but weaver is better for revolvers.

Pic related, isosceles.
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http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f11/boxing-l-stance-1931233/

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f11/joe-louis-blackburn-crouch-2152135/

Interesting read
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>>754859
i'd say "applied" rather than "modified"
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>>755943
His point still stands, though.

Stances/footwork are made for specific environments. You should have a different set of footwork for every environment.
Some situations should be best handled by standing your ground (swampy areas and shit, where every step can trip you with no chance of recovery), while even and featureless ground requires you to be quick on your feet.

However, footwork tends to be intrinsically tied to the martial art that it's attached to.
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>>777965

>Stances/footwork are made for specific environments.

But that's not the important point. People fight with what they have, so if you are a kickboxer you will use kickboxing footwork no matter what the ground is. Of course people can adapt it a little bit and decide to make smaller steps or take more risks, but generally fighting is about doing the same thing again and again and again until you are amazing at it. It's not about having 1,000,000 tricks for every situation, because in the situation where you would need it you can't think properly and your deepest reflexes will kick in.
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>>755329
I always thought that that was just a standard Muai Thai stance, since that's what that characters does a lot later on, but looking at it, it's totally different.

What's the point of the stance? What's it called? I'm relatively fresh, but still, I haven't heard of having most of the weight on your front leg before.
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>>778069

In TKD it's appareantly called "foreward stance", but I'm not a TDK fag, so maybe they could elaborate further..
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>>778172
Weird. Aight. Here's hoping one of the kick dudes on this board sees this then.
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>>754907
inferior to this one.
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>>778225
The art in that shit is retarded. I actually thought it might talk about martial arts but it's just more magic super powers bullshit. rip.
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>>778235
I quite enjoy it, it's super stylized but internally consistent (unlike Liefeld for example). Far from realistic, to be sure. pic related, another "stance" from the series.

Read Teppu, Rokudenashi Blues, or All-Rounder Meguru if you want more grounded stuff.
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>>755178
>Screw stances, Ginga is superior.

i wonder who could be behind THIS post?
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>>778247
Oh, I'll look into those! Thanks.
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>>778247
Also, if you haven't heard of them, Hajime no Ippo is pretty technical in explaining boxing, though it has the usual anime "power of willpower trumps all" shit mixed in.

And Shamo is really brutal. Great artstyle and portrayal of martial arts in real life.
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>>756150
>marital experience
faggot
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>>755297
ah yes the old "praying stance", used by lumbering idiots.
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>>778247
>it's super stylized but internally consistent
the fuck does that mean?
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>>779367
That the stylisation is consistent?
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>>779376

It probably means all characters are equally ugly drawn..
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British Mantis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tqbr7zZ3ls&feature=youtu.be
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>>778206
>>778172
I used to do TKD, the main advantage that i can see is that you can execute a stronger kick more efficiently from that stance. The kicking foot is usually in the rear, so you wouldn't need to adjust your balance before attacking
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>>754772
and the population for each?
canada's 35 million to USA's 319 million

Source:google
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>>754691
Horse stance is the only answer to this trite question.

Do you think thy do it for some stupid reason like building core/leg strength??? That fucking stance was blessed upon mankind by no less then the love child of Jesus and Bruce lee.>>754768


284 mass shootings

>believing every slight manipulation of data and definition

I thought you Europoors had great education? I guess my error is confusing education and critical thinking?
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>>754765
Doesn't know shit about the tueller drill..

I think the problem is your ignorance of the dunning Kruger effect...>>755330
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>>755330
You are flat footed on your lead leg. Every kick boxer in the world will demolish that leg.

Flat footed = slow response muscles
Standings on ball of foot = fast twitch muscles
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why not just take a squatting stance and just twerk to parry all attacks?
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>>754778
MT: zero mobility. stand your ground and check everything
shotokan and kickboxing: jump around like a fag until you are dead tired
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>>781311

1. I'm not flat fooded, but slinghtly on my toes.

2. I think you missed "kyokushin fag, so I'd rather stuff the kick than check it" part. Good luck demolishing a leg then.. I'd still try to ckeck the kick rather then getign hit, but getting hit isn't that much of an issue anymore when you train to stuff kicks 24/7.
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