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>He dropped out of the main title picture >He improved

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>He dropped out of the main title picture
>He improved his wrestling
>He improved his mic skills
>Character is actually likeable now.

Why do people still rage when he's mentioned? Has he been forever ruined?
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He still can't talk for shit.
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>>2138164
Yeah, pretty much. People desperately want him to turn heel. When he turns heel he'll be cheered, but Vince seems to see this as some personal challenge to get him over without turning him.
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He's literally not changed at all in the last 2 years.
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>dropped out of the main title picture
For a feud against Rusev, which he won without losing clean even once
And after winning the US title he's been main eventing RAW, not having any feuds for the US title, and getting matches against the Universal Champion.

Literally nothing changed
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He still can't cut a promo
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He's /asp/'s guy
If ya don't like Roman, you will get bullied
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>>2138180
Try you slut
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>>2138180
based

>>2138188
worked
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>He improved his wrestling
>He improved his mic skills
>Character is actually likeable now
What bizarro alternate dimension is OP posting from?
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@2138164
>He dropped out of the main title picture
WHAT?
>He improved his wrestling
A bit, yeah. His selling is still shit though.
>He improved his mic skills
WHAT?
>Character is actually likeable now.
WHAT?
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>>2138193
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>>2138179
>>2138168

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msbcBYr_bNA

>Still thinking Roman can't cut promos.
>He hasn't had a bad promo since WM.

Please Cease.
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He literally just needs to turn Heel.

IT'S SO FUCKING EASY.

SMARKS WILL BE CHEERING HIM WITHIN THREE MONTHS OF HIM BEING THE BASED HEEL HE CAN BE. HE ALREADY HAS THE HEAT FOR IT.

Vince is a fucking moron.
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>>2138211
Please bros don't take the bait
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Roman will never be liked. No matter how good he gets at anything. People will always over analyze and scrutinize the smallest errors, he'll never get praised for doing anything good, and despite being far better than a lot of wrestlers in the company, he'll always be seen as the worst. Roman is WWE's guy, so so claimed by CM Punk, the voice of the internet/smarks, so he will never be liked. He could put on the best performance of any wrestler to date in everything he does, and someone will still cry about how he's somehow stealing the spotlight.

Its sad really. People literally get a hardon for seeing one man lose, wish injury on him, ignore any and all improvements just to feel good, yet still wanna be taken seriously. I root for him because he honestly doesn't deserve it. He aint the end all be all but he aint the worst thing to ever set foot in the business like people claim.
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His booking is still fucking awful. Although that's applicable to everything in RAW.
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>>2138164
He's improved a hell of a lot. I still don't like the character, but he's doing the best he can with it. And the vest is stupid. But if I hadn't seen the last two years, I'd definitely give him a chance. They have to not make stupid booking decisions with him, and they have to not have him talk too much. If they can stick with that, I'm fine with him. I'm not excited by him, but he's good enough I guess.
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>>2138234
>and despite being far better than a lot of wrestlers in the company,

Name 5.

Oh, and before you say anything: they have to be realistic contenders for his spot. You can't just pick shitters like Titus or Hawkins.

>Roman is WWE's guy, so so claimed by CM Punk, the voice of the internet/smarks, so he will never be liked.

Like his cousin? Or Brock?

>because he honestly doesn't deserve it.

Well you're half-right...

>>2138219
>SMARKS WILL BE CHEERING HIM WITHIN THREE MONTHS OF HIM BEING THE BASED HEEL HE CAN BE.

Like they do with Sheamus?
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>>2138234
oh save it

The booking he gets, which is the main reason he's booed, is still the same ''Roman really strong'' - yes as long as WWE proves Punk line was right, he'll get booed


His mic work is abysimal as always
Charisma is nonexistent
Character is shit

Yes, he improved in the ring.

Not enough.
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>>2138236
This.
As objective as his in ring skills and mic skills are (and I use objective loosely since /asp/ is determined to want to go against the curb) there is zero denying that he is booked awful.You can count his clean loses since the shield broke up to now on one hand, he's buried multiple guys and belts, and his spear is so overprotected it fucking hurts.
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>>2138250
>Name 5 but not any 5 that or worse than him so i can be right please.

>Like his cousin? Or Brock?

You're not making a point.

>Like they do with Sheamus?

Sheamus has never been in the situation Reigns is in. If he was cheered he turned face, if he was booed he turned heel. Stop the false equivalency.

AJ is a heel and he's cheered more than nearly anyone in the business.

New Day was terrible and got over by turning heel and being assholes.

Literally everyone wants Roman to turn heel. thats his ticket to getting over.
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>He dropped out of the main title picture
For the period between Battleground and Summerslam (about five weeks), went right back into it at Summerslam, then fueded with Rusev for September and October and went right back after the main title after he was done with Rusev.
>He improved his wrestling
Okay, I guess.
>He improved his mic skills
It was still the same godawful tater tots promos against Rusev and you know it.
>Character is actually likeable now.
Noooooooo it is not. Roman the character is still an unlikable prick, perhaps even moreso after being such a cock to Rusev and treating the US Title like it's a prop.

>Why do people still rage when he's mentioned?
I don't think anybody's raging, I think we're just bored of the same old shit.
>Has he been forever ruined?
As a babyface? Yeah, that happened two years ago and Vince is too much of a stubborn prick to accept it. And he's just dug the hole deeper and deeper every week since then.
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>>2138261
I honestly don't mind people booked strong, if they're believable as the powerhouses who could beat anyone at any time.

And Roman doesn't have that look, presence, intensity or voice to fit that.
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>>2138250
Sheamus is pretty fucking enjoyable right now, because he's in a position that plays to his strengths. Being in a feud and then a tag team with Cesaro hides his weaknesses and makes his strengths more apparent.

They refuse to do the same thing with Roman. It's infuriating.
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>>2138263
I'm making lots of points. You're just not sharp enough to read them.

>le smarks don't like homegrown guys meme

It's getting stale.

What's the point of stating that somebody like Jinder is worse than Roman?

Go on. If Reigns is so good, naming 5 top guys he's better than should be easier for you.

>Sheamus has never been in the situation Reigns is in.

Uh, like, 4+? Crowds turned against him en masse following 18 Seconds and the subsequent Alberto feud, but he didn't turn heel until 3 years later.

>that or worse than him

kek
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>>2138261

>he's buried multiple guys

Who has he buried? Jericho just won a title. Owens is a champion. Seth is right there with him competing for titles. AJ went to smackdown and is champion. Orton is on Smackdown and winning with Wyatt.

The only man you can make fit for this case is Rusev, and Cena killed Rusev's momentum beforehand. Not to mention Rusev is still being featured in big segments.

>he's buried belts

Whenever he's held a belt its been in the spotlight. Even the US title was treated as if it was on par with the Universal title.
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>>2138283
>on par with the Universal title.

That's a burial in and of itself anon.
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>>2138280
>5 top guys
Baloring
Oreowens
Jasethy
Braun
Dean

That's 5 top guys for ye
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>>2138290
>implying Romanetty is even better than Big Powerslams BRAUN

Best part: only guy there who's not a clearly better powerhouse than "Big Dog" is Finn.
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>>2138250
>>and despite being far better than a lot of wrestlers in the company,
>Name 5.

Not him, but, just for the sake of it, Young, Titus, Enzo, Cass, Corbin.
If you dispute any of those guys are better than Roman, you're honestly high.
I don't think Roman's """good""", but he's upper-50%, and there's a decent amount of guys he's better than.
Is that enough to warrant his push? Nah. But I'm not gonna pretend he's bottom-tier because it aligns with my desired perceptions.
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>>2138273

>I honestly don't mind people booked strong, if they're believable as the powerhouses who could beat anyone at any time.

>Roman doesn't have that look, presence, intensity or voice to fit that.

If there's one thing you cannot say he doesn't have its look. He looks as believable and marketable as it gets.
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>>2138283
buried Rusev
killed Rollins return's momentum because ''Roman must be face''
buried Bray Wyatt
killed Ziggler momentum again because ''Roman must be face''
killed Ryback momentum because ''gotta push Roman now''

face it, the n.1 reason noone is over is that WWE wasted 3 years pushing only Roman and burying the rest of the roster and he failed to get over

he's cancer
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>>2138295
Reigns can do power moves tho
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>>2138307
Alright, look, let's be real now. Ziggler never had momentum.
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>>2138315
he had in 2013, then WWE decided to bury him to make room for Roman and he's been downhill since that
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>>2138297
>he literally didn't even read the next fucking line

The utter state of Romarks.

>>2138313
...on guys above the WCW cruiserweight limit?

>>2138315
4+
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>>2138280

>Go on. If Reigns is so good, naming 5 top guys he's better than should be easier for you

Dean, Braun, Enzo, Cass, Corbin, HHH, Rock, Goldberg, The Miz, Mark Henry, Big Show, Curtis Axel

we can keep going
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>>2138320
Yes
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>>2138322
>Romarks continuing to prove their illiteracy
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>>2138307

>buried Rusev
He's fine.
>killed Rollins return's momentum because ''Roman must be face''
Rollins return was a failure in itself
>buried Bray Wyatt
Bray is a champ right now.
>killed Ziggler momentum again because ''Roman must be face''
What momentum. also Ziggler was a champion afterwords so...
>killed Ryback momentum because ''gotta push Roman now''
Ryback who already got buried by Cena


Next.
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>>2138323
>needs obvious help and positioning from Rollins just to powerbomb him

Doubtful.

He can't even get up a blimp like Kev.
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can somebody post the Royal Rumble 2015 gif with Big Show and Kane eliminating all the new talents for Roman?

Because that's where WWE committed suicide with Roman. He was set apart, their handpicked above all the others.
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>>2138320
>>he literally didn't even read the next fucking line
>The utter state of Romarks.

Well, I did say I don't actually rate Roman highly, so I'm not a "romark".
I just didn't really care about your caveats. You asked for 5, I gave 5.
You can't say "5, but not any legitimate answers".
Stop being so mad, lad, it's only pretend.
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>>2138334

Can someone post the webm of Roman living Kevin Bowlens.
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>>2138334
Nah he can, he's decently strong.
He has done some decent deadlifts, he's just not freak-strong like big muscles jhon
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>>2138342
Not mad at all. If the only guys Roman's better than are bottom-of-the-barrel scrubs who are never sniffing the main event...shouldn't he be one of those, then?

>>2138346
The one where Kev is literally hopping up on Roman's shoulders?
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>>2138333

>Rollins return was a failure in itself
Yeah because everyone wanted him to be a face and they forced a heel turn cuz ''Roman is the face''
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>implying Roman himself is responsible for burials
El oh el
It's not his choice
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>>2138350
He's not even as "freak-strong" as guys from 205 Live.
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>>2138246
I really think he makes the best he can on promos with the roman reigns character,i still dont know what he is supposed 2 be other than being a big strong guy that was on the shield,his wrestling is not even that bad he is just as good as dean ambrose however the lunatic fringe is easy 2 understand and became its own thing while roman without a costume change and entrance change will always be the big shield guy
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>>2138362
>what is relativity

You're not helping yourself.
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>>2138382
Remember when Reigns did this to Barrett?

Me neither.
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>>2138390
I was actually going to point out that Neville's the only dude on 205 that's really monster-freak strong, but I figured it went without saying, and you wouldn't be dense enough to weaponize that one thing.
Oh well.
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>>2138290
The only wrestlers there that are worst or equal 2 roman are dean(he is the worst wwe have right now),finn balor and braun,while kevin owens ans seth rollins are better wrestler than big dog
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>>2138395
I was hoping you wouldn't be your tediously pseudo-intellectual self but I guess we're both SOL.

>he doesn't know about Alexander, Nese & Tozawa
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>>2138409
>Alexander
Nah
>Nese
Ehhhh, still nah
>Tozawa
Definitely not, strange choice.
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>>2138361
This he is not,hollycuck cock chokin,TRIPle fag,super cena or HBGay,there is no reason why he should have insane backstage influence,these guys went out of their ways 2 sure everything was shit for everyone,roman doesnt mind getting beat clean,i think they main reason why they are trying 2 get him over is because would agree 2 get people over later on since he is a humble guy
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>>2138333
>he's fine
Constant cuck angles and midcard jobbing sure is "fine"
>Rollins return was a failure in itself
It wouldn't be if there was a double turn
>Bray is a champ right now
He isn't
agreed on ziggler, who cares about that faggot

>forgetting Ryback was the guy SHEBD powerbombed the most
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>>2138447
>It wouldn't be if there was a double turn

Nah
Seth's a flop just like Roman
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>>2138410
>TOZAWA
>"strange choice."

You fucking moron.
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>>2138449
I accept your concession.
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>>2138452
>he insulted my intelligence
>he must be agreeing with me

Nice post-truth.

>>2138448
Seth can actually get cheered tho.
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>no arguments
>Jasethy getting cheers

Boi doesn't even deserve a (You)
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>>2138457
Seth does get some cheers though.
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>cowardposting

You done already?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqC1XncQxkk
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>boi runnin scared postin weaklet tozawa vids furiously cause he got BTFO

>>2138462
Hi Seth!
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>>2138470
Go away Cuckter.
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>>2138473
But Sethter loves Seth
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>>2138164
>>He improved his wrestling
debatable

>>He improved his mic skills
>>Character is actually likeable now.

these arent debatable, you are now lying

fuck off kiddo. hit the weights. take a shower once inawhile as well/
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>>2138474
>implying he's not false-flagging
>implying you're not a fedorafag
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>>2138477
Sethter lit. loves seth tho
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>>2138483
Put your Triphammer back on.
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>>2138489
I'm not triphammer tho wum
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>tfw Roman will slam Braun at WM 33 ala Hogan and Andre
Based
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>>2138500
What, is a forklift gonna do a run-in and help Roman?

>Triphammer "suddenly" appears once he's namedropped
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>>2138507
I just got back on bro

You sure love thinking about me
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>>2138510
I love syphilis more than (you).
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>>2138513
>thinking about me AND something that occurs after sexual contact
Hmmm...
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The guy promo is one of the best of all time
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>>2138520
Have a (You) friend
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>>2138517
I like girls.

Sorry but I'm not gonna go out with you, you won't meet the "girl" criteria no matter how much of a bitch you are.
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>>2138523
>I like girls.
I know, you post about Finn Balor everyday
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>another thread that actually had some discussion ruined by shitposting

seeting worked etc
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>>2138528
I don't even like Borelor.
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>>2138531
Then why do you post the BALORED gif everyday
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>>2138530
The OP was a shitpost.

>>2138533
I don't.

>rent-free
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>>2138535
OP did, but then we had some actual discussion that eventually got overran by memes and shitposting
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>>2138535
>rent-free
I don't believe I have any brain tumors
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>>2138261
There was a short interval there where the Spear was being portrayed as this high-risk move that if it went wrong, it'd just be disastrous for Roman.
>MitB: Spears the barricade to knock himself out and give Seth the advantage, then runs into a Pedigree.
>Raw after MitB: Spears Seth outside, both of them get counted out
>Battleground: Spears Seth, Dean immediately jumps on him and hits Dirty Deeds for the win.
>Raw after Battleground: Tries to Spear Finn, runs into a Slingblade, sets him up for the Coup de Grace.

Now it's just, oh I got kicked in the face while trying to do this? I'll just do it again. Okay, it worked this time, 1-2-3, DUN DUN. DUN DUN. DUN DUN. DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN
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>>2138307
>noone is over
AJ is over and he did it after losing a feud against Romen.
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These smarks will be SEETHING once he walks out of the Royal Rumble as Universal Champion.

Even better since John Cena will also be walking out as WWE Champion.

When Wrestlemania comes all of the top card will be filled by WWE guys and all the outlel and indy shitters are on the bottom card.
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>>2138164
>He dropped out of the main title picture
He's getting his 3rd consecutive title shot while still holding a midcard title.

>His wrestling and mic skills have improved
No, they haven't, they have pretty much been the same since he went solo. Still can't cut a promo to save his life.

>Character is actually likeable now
If you're a dumb pajeet sure. But he's not even close to a believable face.

OP is just another anti-smark contrarian.
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>>2138572
>These smarks will be SEETHING once he walks out of the Royal Rumble as Universal Champion.
Nobody thinks KO is retaining, everybody already knew he was walking out as UC, nobody will be surprised and nobody will care. It will remain a meaningless title until he drops it to Finn at Mania.
>Even better since John Cena will also be walking out as WWE Champion.
lol, nobody is going to be pissed about that. Everybody loves BMJ.
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>>2138583
>Finn
>Mania
>he thinks that potato twink is returning
You're not really bright aren't you?

If the potato twink is returning they wouldn't have Roman drop the US title to Jericho.
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>>2138588
I mean, I'm sure you're gonna make fifty threads between now and mania about how much everybody's seething, but that doesn't make it true.

>>2138595
What does Finn have to do with the US Title and Jericho?
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>>2138588
Oh they will

>PLEASE STROWMAN PLEASE INTERFERE
>PLEASE BMAJ PLEASE BEAT CENA

They can chant Balor all they want but since last night the WM card is already set in stone
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>Reigns could be Naito of WWE
>instead he's still a Shield hasbeen
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>>2138598
Roman with the US title = Roman stuck with Braun Strowman at Wrestlemania

Roman without the US title = Roman wins at the Royal Rumble and squares off against Goldberg and Brock

Undertaker is going to win the Royal Rumble and Cena will finally go over AJ Styles and that will be the main event.

It makes zero sense for Roman to win the Universal Title only to give it to a more undeserving guy who only showed up for 3 Raws in 2015.
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>>2138608

>riman has the look and attitude of an anti hero
>have him stumble through boring face promos
Vince should be at the end of a rope for how badly he fucked up romans push
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>>2138610
>Roman without the US title = Roman wins at the Royal Rumble and squares off against Goldberg and Brock
That doesn't make a lot of sense, Goldberg and Brock are almost certainly facing each other, I doubt either one of them confronts Roman again.
>Undertaker is going to win the Royal Rumble and Cena will finally go over AJ Styles and that will be the main event.
Agreed.
>It makes zero sense for Roman to win the Universal Title only to give it to a more undeserving guy who only showed up for 3 Raws in 2015.
It's not like Finn got drunk and fucked off for the rest of the year, he was debuted, immediately put into the main event as Raw's top babyface, given the title and then got injured on a bad spot gone wrong, and was forced to vacate. He was promised that he would get a shot at the title when he got back.

When he debuted on Raw in the Summer, Finn was over, people liked him, he was getting a huge push, he was very clearly going to be Raw's top babyface going forward. What has changed in the last six months that would change that? Finn's not gonna be any less over as a babyface, neither Roman or Seth have gotten any MORE over as babyfaces, Roman's still getting boos and apathy and Seth's turn has been lukewarm at best. Nobody has stepped into the "top babyface" void on Raw that's been there since the brand split, so why would they not immediately try Finn again the second he gets back?
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>>2138622
>implying Vince wouldn't kick your ass in a game of tug-o-war
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>>2138622
>The entire Rusev feud is based on Roman coming out and saying Rusev's ugly and Lana's a whore and Lana getting shoved into some fucking cake.

Dude. Just make him come out and say "Give me a match for the US Title or I'm beating the shit out of both of you until you do.", then have him DO IT. Then have Rusev beat the shit out of him back. Have these guys killing each other over and over until I buy that they fucking despise each other and then blow it off inside Hell in a Cell.

Christ. It's so easy a fucking retarded monkey could do it.
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>>2138164
>>He improved his wrestling
>>He improved his mic skills
>>Character is actually likeable now.
>>Character is actually likeable now.
>>Character is actually likeable now,
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>>2138164
>He dropped out of the main title picture
Fucking when? That 2 week period he ""feuded"" with Rusev before inserting himself back in the UT picture?
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>>2138352
>Not mad at all. If the only guys Roman's better than are bottom-of-the-barrel scrubs who are never sniffing the main event...shouldn't he be one of those, then?
Oh shit he's got you there son
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>>2138598
>I mean, I'm sure you're gonna make fifty threads between now and mania about how much everybody's seething, but that doesn't make it true.

>he literally thinks smarks won't seethe if Roman beats Owens and BMJ beats Styles
>Roman, the smark antichrist, beating Owens, the secondary smark christ
>BMJ, the former smark antichrist, beating Owens, the primary smark christ

They will be volcanic.
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>>2138728
>BMJ, the former smark antichrist, beating Owens,
>BMJ beating Owens
woo lad
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Roman needs a long AGGRESSIVE heel run.
Sure the first couple months might seem forced.
But give him like 2 years as heel, and it will be long enough that if he is a good heel, people might actually fucking cheer him if he turns face.

They shouldn't be scared of giving him the rock treatment.
Don't do it the John Cena way.
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>>2138250
>>SMARKS WILL BE CHEERING HIM WITHIN THREE MONTHS OF HIM BEING THE BASED HEEL HE CAN BE.
>Like they do with Sheamus?
Sheamus came back as a heel.
Not really the same.

Also he's finally doing pretty okay now.
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>>2138628

>implying vincetty won't be gassed after the first tug

>>2138633
This. Literally this. WWE astroturfers, read this mans post. In order from roman to get over you need to book STRONG heels, nobody cares about jeriKO, they might be the weakest stable besides absolute comedy jobbers in recent memory.
Have roman DROP the "never give up, beat all odds" garbage. Have roman call out owens as an indy shitter and squash him for the belt. Then he injures jericho and demands a rematch for that belt.

JUST PULL THE TRIGGER VINCE REEEE
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>>2138971
Speaking of Roman, I'm just waiting for the day that he decides to Drive-by someone's head into the ring post. Or Superman Punch (they should call that move the 'Symbol of Excellence') with brass knuckles.

It's the little things.
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Reigns is damaged goods by now. He really need to take some time off from TV and maybe a makeover in his character. He does have the right look and is very capable in ring to pull off a comeback in his career
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>31 IPs
>118 posts

>>2138608
Naito has talent and charisma.
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>>2138164
>his character is likeable
How?
His entire feud with Rusev he came off as the asshole in the feud.
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>>2138164
It's become the cool thing to do. WWE only have themselves to blame. They keept pushing him for well over a year despite the audience rebelling. Not to mention, if they never drove off the casual fans to begin with they might have averted this problem. Indie smarks hate Roman because he's not an ordinary looking guy that does a bunch of dangerous spots, but casual fans would like him because he actually looks like a star.
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>>2140894
>Indie smarks hate Roman because he's not an ordinary looking guy that does a bunch of dangerous spots,
>but casual fans would like him because he actually looks like a star.

I honestly can't tell which of these is more laughably out-of-touch.
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>>2140894
He doesn't look like a star. Just because you are sexually attracted to him doesn't make him a star. He looks like a gypsy on heroin.
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>>2140894
>casual fans would like him because he actually looks like a star.
Herein lies the problem. WWE has failed to realize that casual fans dont watch this shit anymore. No casual is going to sit through three fucking hours of Raw every Monday. The Hardcore fans are the only ones left, and they're the ones who boo Pooman Stains.
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