Why are bats the only mammal to have evolved flight?

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>>2385416
It seems like there's a shit load of different bat species all over the world. What if more than one mammal species evolved into bats and we just call the bats now?

>>2385423
what kind of kot is this

>>2385416
there are alot of mammals that glide, if that debunks anything

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>>2385438
>gliding is flying

>>2385416
are you sure they didn't evolve mammalism after evolving flight?

>>2385445
This

>>2385434
It's a sugar glider

>>2385416
Night airborne hunter was a niche not filled by birds since they rely on sight. So mammals somehow evolved flight and echolocation instead of some bird just evolving echolocation. Thats what they want you to believe anyway. Me, i think god made a funny looking flying mammal and thought ok thats enough of that

>>2385445
what the fuck
am i being baited here

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>>2385465
>Night airborne hunter was a niche not filled by birds since they rely on sight
>what are Owls

>>2385472
Owls dont eat bugs tho and bats dont eat little ground animals. Hunter of airborne creatures is what i meant

>>2385442
Bats likely started by gliding ages and ages ago.

>>2385442
being airborne (even for a moment) maybe counts
what am saying is mammal flight aint that special.

if we are looking for peculiarities it should be the bat hearing

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>Bats
>Only mammal to evolve flight
Yeah, nope.

>>2385480
>evolve

>>2385478
Not that rare since convergent sonar evolved in Dolphins

>>2385483
e·volve/ēˈvälv/
verb

1. develop gradually, especially from a simple to a more complex form.

2. give off (gas or heat).

>>2385485
yeas but dolphins are aquatic creatures
if anything they most probably evolved separately

>>2385490
biological meaning tho

>>2385493
Congratulations youve deduced the meaning of the word "convergant" in this context

>>2385496
lmao its convergent

>>2385496
and yeah ok u got me

>>2385478
>maybe counts
It fucking not counts, cunt. It's two very different things.

>>2385472
>implying owls are birds

>>2385530
its theorized that bats evolved from gliding mice like animals
except theres no evidence bcs bats were already bats before there were men

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>>2385476
Spectral Bat, the largest carnivorous bat eats rodents.

>>2385530
Gliders are precursors to new types of bat, anon.

>>2385472
REKT

>>2385472
To go with this, >>2385543, practically every small owl, like screech-owls and pygmy-owls, eats insects in addition to other stuff.

>>2385423
Bats are 20% of all mammal species.

to make things even more interesting, it's possible that microbats and megabats diverged so early that they actually evolved flight separately

>>2385902
cool, and echolocation evolved post-flight too.

Bats are amazing.

>>2385416
flight has evolved separately in reptiles, avians, insects, and mammals. Sex has only evolved once.

>>2385979
>what are flowering plants
>what are fungi

>>2385416
so dolts can ask this question

>>2385445
kek

>>2385416
Because it's one of the only mammals that has needed too. Most are too large or don't have a good source that would be made easier with flight.
So to evolve wings you'd need to have a mammal with a small size, a food source that requires flight as well as provides enough energy to keep the animal airborn and a longer travel distances for food (further distributed trees for example). Other small mammals have learned to glide as a way to move faster but with how dense the forests are that they live in they don't need to do more then glide from one place to another, like sugar gliders, flying squirrels and flying lemurs lemurs.

>>2385495
Mental capacity, to enable technological flight, also counts.

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>>2385416
That's cute bat. Post more.

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>>2386185
Baby Vampire bats, surprisingly cute.

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>>2386203

>>2385979
Beccause you only got one chance to blow

Humans can fly too

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>>2385539
hello /vp/

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>>2386878
>it's been over half a decade since /vp/ was entertaining

>>2385472
I've witnessed so much bird on bird carnage on these webcams it's unreal. If it isn't an owl or eagle attack it's death by siblicide, and I've even seen a mother osprey turn on her chicks.

Birds are savage.

>>2387063
>Birds are savage.

True in most cases, but especially raptors.

They're basically death lizards with feathers and talons.

>>2385543
Whoa... is that what this is?
https://youtu.be/Xe1RnHlwosU

>>2385423
>2385455
Because genetic testing is a thing? Bat's are caused by convergent evolution buddy.

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>>2385476
Nightjars do exact that while looking extremely stupid as well.

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>the only mammal to have evolved flight

bruh

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Bats are cute

>>2387577
white """"""culture""""""

>>2387577
>using tools
Human will be human. Rather scorched the earth than change itself. No bat wings for us I guess

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>>2385465

>God

You fucking Christians.... you guys set humanity back 1000 yrs.. get with the times.

>>2385465

The modern bat most likley Evolved frm a small Blind rodent like creature, akin to a mole

Then developed flaps of skin dat would turn it to a gliding creature to get to better sources of food, for nesecity

Then form the bony structures of wings....with millenia practicing catching food blindly....they devloped their remaining senses, sound, voice...which gave them the rcholocation they have today

Its not that hard to figure out

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The real question is, why are bat faces so fucking weird?

Does any other species of animal on the planet have such a massive variety of strange, almost alien faces in their group?

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>>2387828
There's so many weird folds and bizarre nose shapes, as well as insane differences in the sizes of eyes and noses and ears.

>>2387829
Ever look at your own ear? The curves and folds in that? Same idea. Basically makes their entire face one really good ear.

>>2387816
Bats aren't blind.

>>2387828
noise and sound. The ones with the real fucked up faces probably are like that so their feedback pings a specific way on a specific target.
The ones with bigger ears are more about doppler radar

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>>2387829
that is one ugly mother fucker

>>2385416
>what are flying squirrels

>>2387828
>>2387829
Not all bats use echolocation, though. Those with small ears don't, I suppose?
And then IIRC the ones with weird noses actually use it to throw noise, and they wait for the ping with their ears.

>>2388260
Don't they just glide?

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>>2387828

>>2385994
>Implying flora and fauna and fungus don't share a common ancestor

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>>2387828

>>2387828
>Does any other species of animal on the planet have such a massive variety of strange, almost alien faces in their group?

The Diptera family of insects (flies and their relatives).

Bats are at the top of weird looks for mammals though.

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>>2387828
Humans

>>2387809
You're acting like the dissmissive atheists aren't as well.

>>2388288
Herpes face

>>2388386
they haven't moved anything forward, but they didn't held things back either.

>>2388256
I wish that helmet was more practical, it's so unsafe.

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>>2385495
You mean Darwinian Evolution?
>>2385979
Convergent evolution is a shitty excuse to explain the eerie similarities between species.
>>2387809
>What is Hitler
>What is Marx
>What is Kinsey
Darwinian Evolution is not experimental science.
Natural Selection =/= Darwinian Evolution.
Notice that I did not appeal to religion even once here before you respond, fedora tippers.
> The Magic Evofairy did it!
Your theory is your sacred cow. It doesn't hold up under scrutiny.

>>2389630
>Convergent evolution is a shitty excuse to explain the eerie similarities between species.
It's a pretty damn good one actually.

>>2388203

"As blind as a bat"

>Hyper sensitive echolocation because they can see in the dark so fucking well

DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING??

>>2389840
Yes.
I know bats aren't blind.

>>2389630
>it doesn't hold up under scrutiny
holy shit the hypocrisy. Creationists believe the bible is infallible, therefore the scientific method can't even be applied to it.

It's like if I made a theory that said "Creationism is actually just promoted by jews in order to degrade and discredit christianity" and the only evidence I had for it is that /pol/ said so. But /pol/ is always right, so that point can't be argued.

t. went to a creationist middle school for 2 miserable years of my childhood

>>2385416

>Why are bats the only mammal to have evolved flight?

One day there may exist fossil evidence of other flying mammals.

>>2387053
>tfw you see /vp/ as one of the new boards