what will be the next "most violent dog breed" once

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>>2306939
Jack Russell terrier.
I say this only because I am living with a jack Russell terrier.
I have no other experience with jack Russell terriers.
But this is by far the meanest, loudest, most unpleasant dog I've ever dealt with.

>>2306955
Every jack Russell I've been around have been quite pleasant

>>2306939
>run its course

lol. It'll finish with its course when we do the right thing and end that degenerate breed. It's not just a reputation. They are literally more prone to violent outbreaks.

>>2306939

At least doberman and GS are intelligent.

>>2306955
Middle aged women meme dog.

>>2306939
Probably still pitbulls until they stop being disproportionaly attacking people

>>2306996
>>2306975
yo, it depends on the upbringing of the dog, those dogs were bred to fight and if it has a shitty upbringing you bet your ass it'll attack at some point.Most pit bulls have horrific upbringings and no surprise since they are normally kept for dog fighting or to be bait.It ain't their fault, they're just worried that they'll be abused again, they're actually pretty sweet dogs.

>>2306955
Small dogs will never be the new pitbull. Chihuahuas bite people all the time, but it barely does shit so nobody cares. a JRT won't maul someone to death, they guy would just kick it off.

>>2307010

Pitbulls don't have to be mistreated to be violent. Unlike with other breeds, it's not enough to be social, caring and loving, owners absolutely have to teach strict obedience. You pitfags confuse not teaching obedience (something 90% of owners don't) with mistreating to justify the fact that pitbulls are objectively the most violent and dangerous breed.

>>2306939
probably some other bully breed, but I don't think there is one widespread enough to usurp it

pits are banned in my country and staffies and staffie Xs have the worst reputation for attacking other dogs, animals etc.

>>2307010
>depends on the upbringing of the dog, those dogs were bred to fight
All pits were bred to fight. They were developed as fighting dogs. I don't care that people own pits but jesus christ enough with this fucking myth.

>>2306955
they can be cunts but they're too small to do enough damage.

>>2307019
Sure, they were developed in the 1800s for blood sports. So were bulldogs and a lot of terrier breeds, but you don't see the whole "aggressive bad dog" thing applied to them.
Even with pit bulls, the main thing people breeding for blood sports went for wasn't unusual aggressiveness, it was gameness and endurance.

>>2307028
A terrier isn't going to tear your arm off when it gets pissed off. That's like saying an airsoft gun and a 9mm handgun are both equally dangerous because they're both firearms.

>>2307030
Still, if pit bulls are degenerate dogs with bad genes because of their blood sport backgrounds that should be stamped out, then bulldogs and terriers are too.

mastiffs

>>2307031
Terriers were used to kill rodents. Pitts were bred to tear the throats out of bulls. THIS is why myself and others don't like pit bulls. THIS:
34 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2015. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 82% (28) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6.6% of the total U.S. dog population.
Also, the owners are generally selfish, stupid criminals who are shit dog owners and incredibly easy to troll. They give great reactions.

>>2307036
>Pitts were bred to tear the throats out of bulls

Bulldogs were used for bull baiting, and it wasn't to the death - the aim was for them to seize the bull, especially by the nose, and hold on until it was subdued. The bull was usually slaughtered afterwards, but it wasn't typically killed by the dogs.

Pit bulls were crossbred from bulldogs and they rose in popularity after baiting large animals was banned and dog fighting became a popular alternative - a leaner, more agile dog performed better against other dogs. So yes, they're undeniably powerful dogs that were bred for dogfighting, but they weren't ripping out bull's throats and neither were bulldogs.

>>2306955
He's probably not getting enough exercise. JRTs are very high energy.

>>2306975
congratulations on being a sheep. You'd have said the same thing about dobermans or rottweilers or german shepards back when those were the VICIOUS KILLER DOGGO of the day

>>2307036
>Pit bulls make up about 6.6% of the total U.S. dog population.
Going to need a source for that, I'm skeptical because pitbull type dogs make up the vast majority of dogs available at shelters in the US.
Stratfordshire bull terriers, the closest thing to what could be considered a full blooded pit, might only be 6%, I'll give you that.
>tear the throats out of bulls
No. BULLDOGS were used for control, or baiting as the other anon said. Majority of the time these dogs went for the ring that was placed in the bulls nose to ensure the valuable animal wasn't hurt.
The terrier instinct of quick kills that was so effective with vermin is the reason pitbulls have the issues today IMHO.

Oh fuck this shit, Fuck off with your shitty pitbulls. They will never stop the daily massacres and maulings until they're bred out of existence

>>2306939

Hopefully nothing. Pointing fingers at an animal doesn't do anything but make them more attractive to anyone looking for a cheap yard ornament that scares people away.

Although, after working with a guy who's missing a good chunk of his face from an encounter with a chow, I'm tempted to say those. The big problem is that they're not cheap and therefore not easy to get, unlike pit bulls (which cover 'any dog with a big head').

>>2307085

>t. shitty pet owner

So have you figured out why yours attacks legs? Maybe if you got up from the dent in your sofa and took him for a walk now and again, he might be calmer.

>>2307085
And here I thought you'd like the floppy rose type ears of pibbles.

>>2307085
That's a pretty closed minded opinion you've got there. I admit there is some truth to every stereotype so there are a lot of shitty pitbull owners, but there are several responsible owners who do not have issues with the dogs.
There are also responsible owners who still see thier dogs go nuts and act completely out of character as well, even though they have done everything right. This leads me to believe that there probably is a defect in the breed, and stricter guidelines and rules need to be enforced for ownership of these animals.
What you are doing is making sweeping generalizations such as ALL pitbull type dogs are dangerous, will maul people, and are owned by the worst type of people on the planet. Frankly that statement is as stupid as it sounds, and if that's the position you want to take you should seriously consider the fact that anyone with common sense will not only disagree with you, but consider your character as immature and naive, rendering both your argument and opinions as ridiculous.

wolf hybrids hopefully. One breed that actually deserves it

But it will more realistically be huskies

>>2307089
>y-you just have to take him for a walk and this killing machine will be docile and obey you at all times

this is what every retarded pitbull owner believes until their dog goes apeshit and they get accused of beating it

>>2307105
you are severely underestimating how many owners don't give their dog exercise and mental stimulation, then bitch about their behavior because of that

>>2307105

>i-if I take my tripcode off, he'll think I'm a different poster

See, I can make insane reaches too.

German shepard.

The problem I have with Pitbulls is, they bite once and dont let go, while the German Shepard had the same bite but it can move onto different targets and do it quickly.

Also, not by chance a very smart Dog.

The next in line is the Doberman etc.

>>2307028
>you don't see the whole "aggressive bad dog" thing applied to them
kek, yes they are. I said in lieu of pits, staffies have the worst reputation in my country.

Bulldog's are so far removed from their 18th century counterpart that I'm surprised they are still able to take their first breath through their fucked up noses and waddle across the room after being born by caesarean section. And they do actually retain aggressive temperaments, especially when it comes to other animals. The difference is they cost $1k and can barely fucking walk.

Pits on the other hand are upwardly mobile, make up a large amount of the shelter/stray population in the US and are usually owned by people who lack an understanding of them. Even if you do train and socialise them, aggression is a characteristic of the breed. Any good owner would be aware of that and take steps to protect themselves, their dog, other animals and other people.

Telling everyone that they're misunderstood and that cuddles will repress centuries of breeding is full retard and the opposite of helping them.

>>2307115
Several people on /an/ consider pitbull threads as just bait. The fact that they almost always generate a ton of responses on a slow board stirs the trolls up in to a feeding frenzy. People get passionate about thier arguments and promptly lose thier shit as well since it is such a hot button issue. It gets so bad that it can become pointless to even voice your opinion whether you are for or against the breed.
I find it refreshing to see posts like this where it is still possible to find someone willing to have a civil discussion about the pitbull problem. Only once we stop making sweeping generalizations, arguments based solely on emotions and anecdotal evidence/personal experiences will we ever make progress in terms of figuring out a viable solution that works for everyone.
To sum it up I feel we have to grow up and take a hard look at both sides of the issue, and approach it like this anon. In the meantime we just have to sort through the ridiculous posts made by both sides of the argument, and try to establish a dialog, all while being as civil as you can on 4chan.

>>2307115

This. Responsible pit bull owners don't juat ignore the issues and act like they don't exist. Tire your dog out, train them, socialize them and for fuck's sake don't leave kids alone with your dog, ever.

>>2307036
Lol

Implying that all children and now dogs are Libarals?

>>2307121
>for fuck's sake don't leave kids alone with your dog, ever.
With any dog really. As a parent you'll take calculated risks everyday, the family lab may be a sweetheart and you can justify leaving it unsupervised with kids. It should remain on your mind that it is still an animal, capable of serious damage to small children if it chooses to be.

>>2307127

Exactly. Not to mention that most children do shit all the time that is enough to piss most dogs off like grabbing their faces, pulling their ears, yanking fur, petting too roughly, etc. Some dogs can tolerate it but every animal has a breaking point.

>>2306961
Well you haven't been around mine

>>2307078
"Pit bull listings held even in 2015 at 6.6%, after three consecutive years of double-digit increases, bringing the average since 2010 to 5.2%. The current U.S. pit bull population is about 3.6 million dogs, of whom about 1.2 million will pass through animal shelters or shelterless rescues within one year’s time."
source: http://www.animals24-7.org/2015/07/20/most-popular-breed-in-u-s-aint-nothing-but-a-hound-dog/
So basically what this statistic says is that one third of these dogs will get abandoned at shelters sometime during the year, which is probably why you see so many. Our shelters in my city don't have this problem because they immediately euthanize all pit bulls after the minimum 72 hour hold.

>>2307313
It also says that it bases it's numbers on classifieds and advertisements of dogs for sale.
Which I'm sure is much more accurate than relying on sensationalized news headlines, or blogs started by obviously biased people who also get their numbers from sensationalized news headlines.
Thanks for the link, interesting read.

>>2307313
That's only pit bulls that are counted in a consensus. They could also very well be completely mislabeled, like I'm sure many hounds are. According to Banfield pit bulls were there most popular patient 2 years ago, and that's only counting people who actually take their dog to the vet yearly

>>2306939
I'm going to say it will be GSDs again or Akitas. Akitas have a huge potential because they are not willing dogs, they are fucking huge, and they hit all three aggressive traits - dog aggression, animal aggression and stranger aggression. Niggers are deathly scared of both breeds, and now that pit bulls are being painted like rainbows and sunshine, I think they I'll become less scared of pits and the nogs will have to switch to a different breed to scare off other nogs. Akitas are also slowly becoming more available thanks to the Shiba meme

>>2307329
Does the average nigger really know an what an Akita is?

>>2307333
No.
Neither does the average white person either.
Dindus will always gravitate towards pitbulls because the tough dog persona as well as the fact they are still routinely used in dogfighting.
White trash and thug beaners are no different.
These people either don't know right from wrong, or don't care.

>>2307344
the fighting thing really depends on location. where I live dogfighting is just about nonexistent so ex fighting dogs are extremely rare.

With all this "nature vs. nurture" debate with pit bulls, what I discovered it really doesn't matter. There are numerous cases of pits snapping after no prior history of abuse.
The same can be said of blacks: they consistently fail at every walk of life. Is this because they are in a constant victimized state of poverty and oppression by the white man? The answer is who fucking cares. Shitty ownership will continue and shows no signs of stopping.

>>2306939
Won't happen, they are genetically aggressive and extremely muscular

also doesn't help that they tend to be owned by trashy people

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>>2306939
>once it's reputation runs it's course

Pitbulls haven't stopped killing people.

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>>2307010
You are totally wrong. A good upbringing means.nothing with these dogs.

Look at all of the owners of pitbulls who attack and.kill people. What do they always say? "Gee he never did anything like this before."

That's because of EUGENiCS. You even said it yourself 'they are bred to fight'. You're absolutely correct.

Put Bulls are bred to attack wirh.lirtle to no provocation and never back off for fear of harming themselves or others.

Fear is necessary foe social animals. Fear to avoid danger and alert the group. Fear of harming another so when they rough house they hold back. Fear of be8ng harmed themselves so that when they do fight amongst themselves thwy know when to back off.

Fear had been bred out of pitbulls. They are literally psychopathic dogs. They will attack whenever they want, whoever they want with no provocation or concern foe the outcome.

They do not belong around humans.

>>2308608
>"Gee he never did anything like this before."
Genuinely curious, have you actually worked with dogs before in a professional capacity?

I'm guessing not, because then you'd know that just about every owner who's dog acts out aggressively says this, regardless of breed. Largely because people are fucking retarded about dog behavior and only realize a dog is displaying aggression once it escalates to them actually attacking someone

>Fear had been bred out of pitbulls
fear is the root of most aggression in dogs, or any animal really. You're talking like a moron

for the love of god, people who don't actually work with dogs or have irl experience with this issue but do a couple google searches and act like they know shit are the most annoying thing. keyboard warriors just regurgitating things they are online

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>>2308602
> Study ends
Then where did they get their data?

> Source: Fatalpitbullattacks.com
Lrn2spot fakenews.

>>2306975
Yes exactly like the Rottweiler back then

>>2309337
>Then where did they get their data?
That would be dogsbite.org.
I think we all know how credible that is.

>>2307010
>bred to fight
No they weren't. They use to be used as war dogs.

>>2307015
>has an opinion
>throws it around as a fact
Top fucking Kek

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>>2307036
>pit bulls contributed to 82% (28) of these deaths
You really don't have a clue, do you?

When filling out reports on dog bites, ACOs (animal control officers) regularly list "pit bull" as breed. I've seen Chihuahuas come into the pound and be listed as pit bulls. It just makes the paperwork easier at the end of the day.

This is why you should never look for lost dogs via telephone. The front desk looks at their paperwork, and often all they see is "pit bull mix, pit bull mix, pit bull mix ..."

I adopted a Basset hound from a pound in Texas. I had to get written permission from my homeowners insurance. The reason? It was listed as a pit bull.

>>2309345
>They use to be used as war dogs.
Gonna need a source for that one bud. AFAIK large working class dogs such as Bulldogs were bred with terriers for the quick kill instinct necessary for dog fighting, resulting in the pit bull terriers. Maybe I'm wrong but I've never heard of them being purposely bred for war dogs.

I don't understand why people think GSDs and rotties are as bad as pit bulls.

Compared to how many people own Pit Bulls and how many old people and children have died from them, it's insane.

>>2309358
Oh fuck off. You want me to believe your special snowflake experiences in comparison to actual evidence?

I check online on the SPCA website and each dog is listed as accordingly. So what nonsense do you think your spouting?

>>2309402
>You want me to believe your special snowflake experiences in comparison to actual evidence?
Not the anon you replied too, but I don't know why you are so quick to dismiss them. Wrong breed IDs, pitbull in particular, is a very common problem in the US. Not only at shelters, but in the headlines as well, which is where places like dogsbite.org get there "facts".
You don't have to be a pitbull apologist to recognize the fact that not only is misidentification a problem, but one sided journalism and blogs started by women with a hard on for a certain breed is not the best places to get info. Just as much as pro-pitbull organizations sugar coat their "facts".

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>>2306955
Jack Russels are great.

>save a jack russel runt from the streets
>could see his ribcage, he was shaking like crazy
>find the owner
>he's breeding jacs
>literally says "yeah i don't want anything to do with that little shit"

I was pissed the hell off. Adopted the little guy on the spot, pic related is him 3 years later. He was hard for a few months, but he's really sweet now.

>>2306939
Whatever other tough dogs niggers can afford. It really is that simple.

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>>2309371
I think he's referring to alternate reality timelines, specifically where canids became sentient, expert armsmen and began a violent revolt against their sapient overlords. Pic related.

>>2307329
This. Britfag here, at least over here i see a lot of people walking Akitas nowadays and half of them are teenage girls or people who i doubt could not restrain them.

They're everywhere at the moment. I barely see GSDs anymore. Hell, even my girlfriend even has a fucking office dog at her workplace thats a Akita hybrid. Its attacked other dogs and is hyper protective as it is.

Maybe I'm just being an elitist douche but sometimes I doubt these people understand what these breeds are capable of and what their traits are. Like the other guy says theyre a meme.

>>2307044
So they were bred for ripping out dog throats instead. That's so much better I guess

>>2310404
There is already too much misinformation on both sides of the debate, so why add to it?
Fact is saying these dogs were originally bred to kill livestock is not only wrong, but completely ridiculous as well. It's the kind of statement that deserves to be called out.

>>2310412
Let me guess, you believe the "nanny dog" myth that they were bred to watch babies. But it's OK because they're only "animal aggressive" (which is totally not a made up term)

>>2310404

I'm the anon who posted that. As it happens, I'm not a huge pitbull fan, so don't get too excited about how I am probably a 'pibble mom' who posts pictures of 'pibble kisses' all over Facebook with sappy 'I am not a monster' text all over them.

However, don't take too much pride in being at the other end of the spectrum and believing in locking jaws or that a 40-50 pound terrier was bred to tear the throats out of 1800 pound bulls, there is quite an expansive middle ground where you don't need to resort to hyperbole to convince everyone that a) unlike every other dog breed, no pit bull has ever has the potential for aggression and there is no need to take any sensible precautions, or b) there is no way to tame the savage, hate-filled heart of this medium-sized killing machine despite the fact it has been successfully kept as a companion dog for a good couple of centuries.

>>2310620
I'm a little confused. Some breeds of dogs have a predisposition to be more dog aggressive but are fairly friendly to humans. Is that not an example of animal aggression? I think that a truly aggressive dog/breed is going to be aggressive to people and animals alike but a lot of dog breeds are cited as being or having a tendency to be "dog aggressive"

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>>2306955
Jack Russells are amazing man.
They can be a bit stubborn and total cunts if you don't train them right but that's the case with every dog.

>>2310620
Not at all. I believe that pitbulls are an inherently dangerous breed, and a vetting process complete with licensing made only available to responsible owners is what is needed to curb the problem.
You see you just made a baseless assumption only because I corrected a very ignorant statement that these dogs were bred to kill livestock. I also specifically said there is misinformation on BOTH sides of the debate.
It would be nice to have an intelligent conversation about this, but that will never happen as long as people like you can't separate emotion from logic, and continue to make ignorant statements and generalizations based on stereotypes.
Believe it or not anon, it is possible to see both sides of the issue without being an apologist or antagonist.
In other words either grow up, or shut up and let the adults handle it.

>>2307310
Tsk tsk don't blame the dog. Blame the tutor

All of the boys in my city have recently bought a Pitbull

I want to buy a dog but not a Pitbull because I don't like their looks

But everyone among my friends and classmates thinks I don't because I don't have the money or I'm too fearful to have one

What super aggressive dog should I buy to own them?

Doberman
German shepherd
Ctezch dog wolf

Give ideas

>>2310909
Two chihuahuas, make sure one rapes the other daily

>>2307344
Can confirm. I remember driving from Delaware to North Carolina for summer vacation as a kid, we stopped in some bumfuck town called Greenville North Carolina. Probably 60% black, my mom goes to the gas station to take a leak and as she is walking back I saw these 3 "gangstas" dressed in white and red all three of them had pit bulls one white guy and two blacks. I was thinking "get in the fucking car mom!"

>>2309371
The difference is that terriers were bred for killing rats, while bulldogs were bred for dragging bulls to the ground

>>2310909
Get a rotweiler.

>>2310909
get a caucasian shepherd

>>2306955
My Jack Russell is a cunt and barks her god awful annoying bark at inane shit constantly and goes into a frenzy if she ever sees a mouse or a lizard or a tennis ball and won't stop for like an hour or until she has pulled it to pieces. I love her to bits.

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>>2307010
Good one.

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>>2310649
They were bred for the blood sport of bull baiting. It has not been bred out of them in any way, shape, or form. Here they are, doing what they do best: violently attacking an animal, even after being shot.

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>>2310649
And here they are almost two centuries prior to the date the other picture was taken. Again, doing what they were bred to do.

>>2311009
>>2311012

I took issue with the statement "pitbulls were bred to tear the throats out of bulls" made here>>2307036
I pointed out that this statement is wrong, and ridiculous.
No matter how many old pics you post of the barbaric practice of bull baiting, or pics of chaos during the aftermath of hurricane Katrina, this doesn't change.
The dogs were trained to bite and hold, usually around the head area Yes, predominantly the nose, to hold the bull, control the bull, and flip it over on its side.
There are several sources about this bloodsport, none of them mention anything about the dogs purpose to kill the animal.
>position-statements/position-statement

>>2311012
The thing with dogs and history is that breeds and shit were not well recorded. In fact the kennel clubs did not even come into place until long after the blood sport ban. There were many 'breeds' (breed being used loosely here as there was no KC yet or set standard) that participated in blood sports, however it's noted the most common dogs used were mutts called bull & terriers, as they were a mix of bulldogs and terriers, not to be confused with the dog breed Bull Terrier which came from an attempt to make bull and terriers more uniform in looks. Other completely unrelated breeds have been used in bloodsport too though.

Once bloodsports were illegal, bull baiting was too large scale to continue discreetly. Instead he focus switched to smaller subjects like cock fighting and dog fighting. This is where dog fighting became very popular. Bull and terrier dogs were now being used to fight other dogs. But bull and terriers were best at larger subjects, so over time they bred the dogs to be smaller and less stocky. This is around the time the 'breed' (KC still not around yet) Staffordshire Bull Terrier formed. That's not to say that StaffBulls weren't also used for your underground bull fights here and there, but for the most part that breed did not fight bulls as they became a breed as a result of bloodsport being banned.

Another thing to keep in mind was before KCs, a dog's breed was often related to it's job or it's parent's job. A pit bull for example was any dog used to fight in bloodsport. So while the dogs in your picture are pit bulls, they are probably a depiction of bull and terriers or old bulldogs.