I think I am at a decisive crossroad. I dream of making games,

>>18523479
If you want to be good at something as an adult, stop working on what you want to do, and fill a roll that society wants and needs.

At 28, you should have come to this conclusion by now.

>>18523485
I want to be good at a least something.

getting paid and being productive will help me as well.

I think I could become good in art in one or two years if I FOCUS on that.

>>18523494
Focus on being good at your job.

>>18523504
art is a job.

>>18523506
Is it? How much money does art pay? What's your salary?

>>18523512
depends on country, a working artist in the industry makes 50k on average, but I'm not american.

A top tier illustrator could make 200k per year, if he's top world class.

some artists on patreon easily makes 4-10k per month doing porn.

It depends on how good you are.

>your salary
that's what I'm trying to ask for advice, faggot.

I already told you my current plan is to focus on practicing art until I become a professional, rather than being mediocre at several skills.

I like your art, at least.

>>18523516
I'll tell you what. Here's a link to the Occupational Outlook Handbook, from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Show me a job that REQUIRES your degree, pays well, and is growing in demand (the OOH covers all of these things).

https://www.bls.gov/ooh/

>>18523535
why should I care about american data if I'm from a spic country?

also, art is like being an atlete, if you're skilled, you make dosh.

there's always demand for good art in advertising, publishing, tv, film, comics, books, games.

>>18523540
Fine. You've followed your dreams for a decade, and it's turned out great. Surely setting a different, but just as difficult to achieve dream, will do wonders for you.

Good luck. You're almost 30, after all. It's not like anyone's going to hire you into an apprenticeship for much longer.

>>18523545
because learning one skill is much much easier than learning five.

are u dumb?

>>18523548
Having a skill that has limited employment opportunities is worse than having a skill that is in demand.

Do what you want as a hobby on your free time. Do what society wants as your job.

>>18523564
>there's always demand for good art in advertising, publishing, tv, film, comics, books, games, animation

are u iliterate?

>>18523565
How much demand? As much demand as there is for an electrician? An engineer? A doctor? A plumber? A welder?

>>18523571
Do you realize film and games are multibillion industries, right?

>>18523574
I don't see how that answers my question.

>>18523579
well, that implies there's demand for top tier artists.

a top tier artists can make 6 figures easily.

>>18523584
How many top tier artists are there? Compare that to the number of Master Electricians, or Master Plumbers (since we are talking about top-tier), who also make that much.

Of the two, which would you say there is more of?

>>18523479
Become a programmer. Then you can have a real job that pays nice, and work on game development in your free time. Then if your game sells well you can drop the programming job once your games earn you more.

>>18523584
Yes, but not even one in an actual million artists are top tier, and in every single one of those I dustries, artists are contract based for employment.

>>18523590
is easier to become a master electrician or plumber.

that's why being a top artist pay more.

>>18523593
I know java but I just don't like math.

>>18523603
sure, artists work on contract.
that doesn't disprove you can make money off art.
It's better for me to become good at art then seek a programmer.

>>18523608
>is easier to become a master electrician or plumber.
It's not all that easy. Most Journeymen never become Masters. And, as I've said a master makes 6 figures. I'm a Master Electrician, and I do.

And, if I may be so bold, why the hell do you think you know anything about the difficulty regarding being these things?

>>18523614
>more master electricians than master artists you said
>what is supply and demand

>>18523617
That's the point. There is more demand for skilled tradesmen, and both jobs can pay over 100k. Can you figure out the logical conclusion to this?

>>18523504
>>>18523494
>Focus on being good at your job.


>>18523506
>>>18523504
>art is a job.


No, it's art. Grow up dude.

>>18523624
money is not the only concern for a job, you know.

also financing and being a trade can make more money than what you can make in your life, so money is not that important.

the point is that there's always demand for artists.

>>18523628
becoming good at art is basically a full time non paid job.

>>18523629
trader *

>>18523629
Money is absolutely the only concern when it comes to work. If you can physically and mentally stand to do the job, you go for the best paying job that you hate the least.

Jobs aren't for fun. They are trading your time for money. You would be well served to use your time wisely, and invest in what will bring you the greatest return.

>>18523631
>becoming good at art is basically a full time non paid job.
Which means it isn't a job. It's a hobby.

>>18523628
Why does every idiot think that he's going to be the exception to the rules? I swear, he may as well say he's going to be a professional football player at age 28.

>>18523634
>money
sure, that's what I'm trying to argue in this thread.

>stand to do the job
I've done art for some time, so I can do it, but I need to study and train hard if I want to do it.

>hate the least
is not about hate, but as well personal acomplishments.
art is about self expression, that's a big part of it.

>aren't for fun
I know.

>isn't a job
a job is whatever pay the bills, be art, a trade or porn fuckign niggers.

>football player
art doesn't depend on physical strenght or age.
most art skill can be learned in two to four years, starting from 0.

>>18523644
I've spent enough time on this. If you aren't going to start taking life seriously, and put childish things away, that's on you.

>>18523648
that's what I'm trying to say retard.

I still want to follow my dream, but actually becoming old has made me realize I need to focus on just one skill.

>>18523651
He's saying that you need to realize that dreams are just that. Be realistic about your possibilities. You're 28. Your youth is gone, and in another couple of years, you won't be able to get into a skilled trade if it doesn't work out.

>>18523672
I know I still can make my dream, and I know how my dream industry works more than just starting in other industry.

plus, I'm already too deep on this path to already change it.

I can still make it if I FOCUS just on one skill, I'm sure I could learn it properly in one or two years and then simply start looking for local game studios, with a proper portfolio.

I also have friends IRL working as graphic designers who may help me land a job.

I just need to be a professional in art.

>>18523681
you ask for advice yet you're shutting down every suggestion, you might aswell just ask your friends

>>18523695
I just want to talk about it, dunno if there's other better board for doing that.

>>18523681
Good luck. Thousands try and fail for every single success.

>>18523701
success depends on my own effort, practice and learning the fundamentals.

I know I can make it, if I focus on doing fundamentals.

I already have some years of practice, so is much easier for me I think that if I start in another skill from 0.

Thanks.

>>18523634
>Money is absolutely the only concern when it comes to work
>Jobs aren't for fun. They are trading your time for money
This is slave mentality. Just because you're incapable of finding a job you're passionate about don't encourage everyone else to put up with something they dislike for money.

The goal is to get paid for playing, not to get paid the most for working. Life is not a 0 sum game.