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Let's talk kids.

Why do people try to guilt you into having kids, by saying things like "you won't be happy until you have one," or "everything is so much better with kids," only to shit talk how tired they are, or how they don't do anything with their lives anymore like a day later?

I don't feel like I know any happy parents. It seems like a bunch of people trying to say something repeatedly so that they'll trick themselves into believing it.

Why would I want kids instead of a restful night's sleep and the money and freedom to enjoy life?
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Kids bring some form of enjoyment and happiness. Yes they can annoy you and cost money to raise but you will be ok just remember to leave your money to the hospice nurse
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>>18369795
You dont have to have kids. Be childless.

Just let me tell you that by having 0 children you are failure from the grand perspective. It is all still about survival of the fittest and nature selection. If you are too lazy to breed, you are no better than pandas.

And if your parents are forcing you to have children, tell them they should had more children themselves so at least one wouldnt turn up as failure.

Enjoy your life and remember, no regrets!
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>>18369801

I'd honestly rather just swallow a bullet at the point I'm incapable of caring for myself. Why spend years and years burdening their family while you shit yourself and watch gameshow reruns and slowly forget things?

Having kids just as an insurance policy seems pretty shitty.

>>18369845

Survival of the fittest doesn't exist in a world where "the fittest" include a bunch of welfare babies and people insulated so far from the real world that they're going to survive pretty much regardless of how badly they fuck up.
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>>18369864
>survival of the fittest doesnt exists
It does. The willingness and ability to have many children is CRUCIAL to survive as a species. If you dont like it, go extinct, no pressure.

Leave your country to niggers and muslims. They will gladly take your place.

Again
>enjoy your life and remember, no regrets!

If you came here on /adv/ for confirmation bias, you wont find it here. Try r/childfree and other circlejerks. Children are literally the future and your ticket to semi immortality. They will carry your ideals, dna and believes into future you wont be able to see for yourself.
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I want kids, kind of hard to accomplish when I'm single. No, it probably will not be wonderful all the time. Just like anything else worth while.
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FUCK HAVING KIDS!
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Listen, do you want kids?

Do you think you'd make a good parent?

What do you value more, children, or your own life?

What is your greater goal, building a family, or living a luxurious life with a large bank account?

Personally, I'll never have kids. I value my won free time and happiness too much to ever tie myself down to a child. I know I'd make a terrible parent so I'd never put a child through that

Everyone thinks they'd make a good parent and 75% of them are completely wrong.

If you don't want to have a child, don't. The world has people in it, you can focus on yourself or even building a business, instead of a child

Live your life how you feel you should live it. If those parents you speak to are constantly shoving it in your face then how happy can they really be when they get so upset that you aren't condemned to the same lifestyle that you are?

Maybe they're... Jealous?

Just think on it and make the decision that suits you best.
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>>18370745

I want /pol/ to leave.

I don't give a shit about the survival of any race, or my country, or whatever. We're more likely to all nuke each other anyways. My "species" will survive whether they're black white brown or blue disregarding catastrophe.

>>18370748

Having kids is a decent pursuit. I'm not anti-kids. I just don't get why people are insistent that those who don't want them should have them.
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>>18370745
Why does survival of the species matter? The earth WILL be uninhabitable 900 million years in the future, the universe WILL end one day. Why should I doom other sentient beings to suffer and die just so we can stick around a little longer when the end result is inescapable?
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>>18370745
>It does. The willingness and ability to have many children is CRUCIAL to survive as a species. If you dont like it, go extinct, no pressure.
>Leave your country to niggers and muslims. They will gladly take your place.

This is precisely why I want to have kids. Not specifically niggers and muslims, but generally the thought of having my lineage not die with me and history being left up to more people being in other countries than my own.
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>>18370772
>pol
I never told you to have kids at any costs. You are obviously like this anon
>>18370767
just reccessive genes which obviously arent fit for breeding. Let him and yourself make a lot of money, pay taxes and die in peace.

>insistent
Because having children is normie tier. And normies cant comprehend why would anybody be different from them so they simply think you are mistaken.

Do what you will. As you say, the world will keep spinning even without your contribution.

Just make sure you wont regret it later when your womb will turn barren.
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Most people are fucking dumb and misery loves company.
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>>18370791
>nihilism
For all i care, you can suicide. More resources and job opportunities for my children.

>universe will end one day
Before that we will become literal gods and find way around it considering how technology speed is going up. Or die trying. No point thinking about it now. By having kids i give them chance.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qsN1LglrX9s
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your extreme is wrong. but so is their extreme.

some people want kids. some people wnat kids but then get bad kids. some people didnt want kids but ended up with good kids and it all worked out.

some people like toddlers but not so much teenagers. others hate the toddlers but like the teenagers.

remember that fulfillment is not the same as moment to moment happiness. being happy now does not mean you will look back in twenty years and remember this blank space as a great time. but parents often look back and miss the moments with their kids.

the point im making is that your extreme is not the truth, and neither is theirs., everyone is different.

sure it sucks that people try to convince you of things you don't care for, but its not that big a deal.
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>>18370748
this. but whenever I weigh it in my head, the changing of diapers while trying not to vomit, sleepless nights, etc would be worth it. when I'm teaching them how to work on cars or snowboard, or going on family trips, or the lifetime of like, dad mugs or whatever arts and crafts stuff they make none of the cons will matter. the pros vastly outweigh the cons for me.

also this >>18370745
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>>18369845
SPBP
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>>18370816
>Before that we will become literal gods and find way around it
Why should we?
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>>18370816
Anti-natalism and nihilism are not the same. Bringing people into the world against their will when many have shit lives, extreme birth defects, die in war, etc is cruel.
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>>18370851
Why shouldnt we? Have you seen quantum mechanics? And all scientists claim that we literally know nothing about world yet.

What exactly do you lose by being optimistic?

>>18370857
>against their will
Well, i dont know you, but most severe birth defects can be detected if your pregnant qtie goes to doctors for various checks and not waiting for being 35 for 1st baby. As the war and shit life situation go, i will do my best for my children to have happy life. And me being stationed in 1st world, there is literally no excuse. Easy jobs, healthcare, free uni, quality food, hell i even own my own house. The niggers in africa should slow down with breeding when they all have aids and die by hunger, not me.

Maybe i will fail. Maybe my wife will cuck me, maybe my children will be ungratelful sociopaths. Maybe i will die tommorow from aneurisma. But i will still try my best.
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>>18370745
Aside from the /pol/-tier talking points (muh mudslimes, muh 14/88), I agree.
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>>18370857
>Anti-natalism and nihilism are not the same
Anti-natalism is inherently nihilistic, the former is born from the latter.

>Bringing people into the world against their will when many have shit lives, extreme birth defects, die in war, etc is cruel.
If life is so cruel and terrifying that you don't want to bring life into it, why don't you kill yourself? I'm not trying to be a dick telling you to kill yourself, but logically that would make sense, no?
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>>18369795
If you are white, have kids, if you arent, good luck, i hope you find someone else who doesnt want them either
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>>18369795
>I don't feel like I know any happy parents.
Lol... I feel like I don't know any UNHAPPY ones...

Your problem extends way beyond kids. You are miserable and hang around miserable people. My advice? Don't have kids. We don't need more people like you.
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>>18370791
Then go and fucking kill yourself, you cabbage. Life is gonna end anyway, why waste time?
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>>18370937

Not him, but I'm already here. May as well make the best of it. There's a lot of fun to be had, a lot of shit to see, laughs to share with friends, and on my deathbed, even if that was tomorrow, I can't say I'd have many regrets.

But I had a lot provided for me. I was pretty good looking. I was smart. I have a good job and get to see more than most. Unfortunately, most people won't. That's gonna be some shit. I can't imagine being a happy human that spent their life in a shithole trailer park in the South like my cousins did, with nothing but TV and shit to placate them until they die.

Or, how my life would be ruined if I birthed my mentally ill cousin, who spent years in prison on drug charges, got his throat slit, and now my aunt has to literally wipe his ass until the end of her existence.
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>>18369845
>not trying to rise above the natural order

Come on son.
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>>18371007
If the good in your life is enough to make you feel that you would rather exist than not exist, why would you want to deprive that feeling from your children? And no shit, if you have kids you should be raising them right. Provide for them, educate them, keep them safe, teach them values. If you don't want to have children because you don't think you can adequately provide for them, then that's not anti-natalism. Anti-natalism is the belief that bringing life into the world is on principle a negative thing. The person I was responding to just flat out said that bringing life into the world is cruel. It's an inherently nihilistic view and the people who profess it have no logical footing if they themselves aren't willing to commit suicide.
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>>18371068
There is no rising above the natural order, you are a part of nature and you are beholden to its laws. Not having children isn't "rising above n the natural order", it's allowing nature to take it's course by removing yourself from the future gene pool.
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>>18369795
I already have the money and freedom to enjoy life. What I worry is that when I die that my money will go to some shitty charity or some relatives that hate me.
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>>18370937
Because me killing myself would cause others I care about to suffer, and it would be painful with a potential to fail. But aside from that I personally don't really mind being alive, I'm not really looking forward to the long and painful process of dying.

I'm lucky, I was born healthy to a loving family in a stable and rich country. I work as an EMT and perhaps it has skewed my world view a bit, but every single day I have to help people who are sick, dying, mentally ill, the victim of birth defects, often I have to go to facilities that are basically nursing homes for children with severe birth defects. Many of them have such extensive mental defects they can barely even be said to be alive, they can't talk or walk but they can feel pain. I have to ask what was the point of this life?

Seeing shit like that I just can't have kids knowing they might end up like that.
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>>18371164
What if your children aren't healthy, what about all the children killed by airstrikes in Syria every single day? Did they not deserve happiness?
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>>18371180
Who cares, you'll be dead.
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>>18370804
only right answer itt
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>>18370954
nice projection retard
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Kid are actually worthwhile for some people. SOME people. They say and/or do rad, oddly creative shit sometimes.

But they require so much hard work, patience sacrifice, and dare I say it, wealth, that most people shouldn't have them.
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>>18370751
This!
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>>18370800
The genes theory is turned around on its head when you factor in the welfare state and open borders policies. It's sad but it's also an inevitable fact. Most govt's are dysgenic.
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While I think it is heavily biological both both sexes, I also think many late 20s and early 30s people become jaded with life around that age, having lived crazy, done stupid shit, and they feel like that life has little more to offer them as a single, or at least childless person at this point. So in order to give their life meaning as well as fulfill their desire to procreate, they shack up with someone who they can at least partially stand and have kids with them.

Honestly, I think it is fucking bullshit and look forward to going on nice trips and having nice things, while my friends and acquantances are changing shitty diapers and listening to their overly entitled adolescent children tell them they hate them while providing them with a roof over their head. Doesn't sound much fun to me.
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It's best you don't have kids so you won't get in trouble for touching your kiddos
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>>18371164

You're probably not still around, but I had to step away for a while.

I grew up in a pretty affluent, safe area - where kids had well-off parents and all of the opportunity in the world. Regardless of all the fucking hard work their parents put in, a ton of them are still failures. I personally have friends whose intelligence I always highly admired, who are now alcoholics or opiate addicts, working in call centers or bars or something otherwise unspectacular. They ignored their parents' good advice and "values," despite being offered everything.

I envision myself and my wife trapped into our 9-5 jobs, sending our child to daycare to be raised by someone else, only for us to pick them up and borrow them for 3-5 hours, spending a few minutes on play and actual care, but the rest forcing them to do their homework, force down dinner, not watch too much TV, and put them to bed. All exhausted at the end of the night.

The alternative is that I spend my days and nights at the office, panicked about how much I "need" my job because I'm supporting a wife and one or two children - my kid will end up being almost entirely raised by mom, and I just have an expensive money pit.

My parents were lucky enough to work jobs without a standard schedule so I actually got to see them. You could also own a home and shit on a normal paycheck.
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>>18371596
Why do you think your friends' lives have lesser value just because they don't have money? Isn't that, y'know, kind of classist and shallow?
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>>18371628

Did you overlook the part where they're alcoholics or addicted to pills? That's the bigger point.

One of those guys has a dad who is an orthopedic surgeon. He spent his life working very hard, raising his child with decent values and in a gorgeous, nice home, with great education. In high school, his son joined a gang. It tore the family apart. Now this guy is a 60-something divorcee who lives in an apartment, concerned about his son's wellbeing daily.

I think "having money" isn't necessarily important, but being successful is, if it's your kids.
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>>18370745
>>World it over populated, nothing is going extinct (fuck your nationalistic POV)
>>Not my fault Fox News mad you afraid of Muslims
>>Not my fault you make every post political because your butt hurt over everyone not loving your lord and savior Donald Trump

Your the reason we need to make this country great again. Let's start by sending you to the live in the middle east.
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>>18372799
Go ahead and sterilize yourself and enjoy casual sex life. Vasectomy is cheap.

More resources for my children in the future.
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>>18370772
I think it's because a lot of people don't realise how great it is till they personally experience it. Not sayign it's for everyone, but maybe the people around you just think you're missing out
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>>18370882
>Easy jobs
yeah, right
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