Does anyone know of any alcohol programs that promote temperance

>>18058094

AA uses religion the same way christmas does. its just the back story. when you pray, you pray to a higher power, or rather your higher self, asking yourself to give you the power you need to get through it.

no reputable programs would promote temperance. if temperance would work, you wouldn't need a program.

>>18058100

Let's not bother to debate AA. It didn't work for me, and "praying" does me no good. Sorry if it's worked for you or others.

I personally don't even necessarily need this to be a "12 step" program, I just could use some like-minded people that discuss the ways they go about holding back from drinking in an honest, open, and anonymous fashion.

AA is way too heavy handed for me.

>>18058094
Look into moderation therapy. There's an organization for it, and it's about reducing and managing alcohol use rather than replacing it with god and church and support groups.

>>18058144

Interesting. I found a "Moderation Management" program, but it doesn't look like they have anything in my city. Any other resources?

>>18058134

good luck then.