Female, married 2 years, facing a problem. Basically, my friend

why do women always have to be naked, or show their tits, or have sex whenever they want to be "artistic" or "feminist"? Name 10 famous artists. How many of them do this shit?

> But now my husband is saying she's just a crazy dyke wanting to get off on my face'
yup

>>17898960
sounds like your friend just wants to masturbate in front of you.
btw i'm a photographer, would you mind posing for nude photos for me? totally an artist i swear.

>>17898960
Your husband is completely right and if you can't see why he'd be uncomfortable with you participating in such a fucked up thing then you're a shitty wife. This has nothing to do with feminism or art is just mentally ill persons way of getting their rocks off.

>>17898963
>>17898972
Because the female body is vilified and covered up in society? And I can assure everyone she has no interest in me, her original idea was gonna me more LGBTQ+ centered in which she wanted me to watch another woman perform cunnilingus on her. It isn't about me. It's the statement.

>>17898988
Yep. Sure. But it has to be you there watching her though. But it's not about you.
Sounds like your friend knows you well enough to tell you exactly what you want to hear.

I regret things I've done in the name of art.
This is a bad idea, letting anyone take naked pictures of you which will then be interpreted by others in ways beyond your control is a bad idea.

Yes society is profoundly uncomfortable with all the things you stated.

I'm trying to imagine this in a male. Context to see if I feel any different. Sitting on n a blood red room, some other male, masturbating in front of me from a high chair, taking my photos, explaining how it has to do with male sexuality and the deep contradictions of masculinity. Later becoming associated with a pice of art most people view as offensive and pornographic.

Yeah this is all bad..

>>17898963
Well, men started with always needing women to be naked and have their tits out. It's not that weird that women react to that when they do artistic stuff, which is very often a response towards outlooks of society. Hell, art in general features a lot of nudity, I have never seen an amateur play where no one stripped off.

OP, I think your friend is a bit optimistic about this. There's lots of art related to periods and her message sounds kind of odd. If she wants female empowerment, why do a power play between two women? Since you both menstruate that makes it seem more like she's confronting you with her rivaling femininity than that it's a message against the taboo on periods itself.

Just suggest to her that you think a cis man would actually be much better for the contrast and see what she has to say about it.
Your husband's response is crude but feeling second hand embarrassment over this is pretty human. It's a situation that is both weird and mildly taboo for you to be displayed in for a literal audience. Pick your battles.

When an "artist" goes naked then gives it a retarded meaning to justify the cheap yet safe provocation, it is ALWAYS a hack with delusions with grandeur.

I thought they were too mocked on youtube to still do that but I suppose those talentless jobless idiots still didn't find anything else to shine. They would not be talentless itherwise.

She is a crazy dyke with no talent nor imagination. Don't ruin your marriage over her shit.

I miss what the cut.

>>17898988
Well that's some mental gymnastics if ever I saw it. Tell her to hire another artist to participate and like I said if you can't see why this is fucked up you're a shitty wife what's more important to you? The one person you're supposed to stand by through sickness and health or some random fucking sex show that big hint will not be anyone's break through bc when ppl get famous for art it's for the disgusting retarded shit they did. No one who goes to that show will go from mysogyinist to supporting feminism it just going be a bunch of hug box feminists going and patting eachother on the back and nothing will come of it I can't believe you need this explained.

>>17898998
It has to be me because I'm a white, blonde, married, upper middle-class straight woman. I couldn't be more privileged unless I was a man. I represent society and the conventional family structure in the piece. There's nothing sexual about it at all, and I've rejected some of her more radical suggestions that she wanted to incorporate.

>>17898988
Pretty sure a guy jacking off on another guy for the sake of "art" would look equally stupid and "villified".
Besides it's much easier to get a woman goes frontal in movies than dudes. She seems to have brainwashed you to believe the pitiful justification she gave to get you to participate.

>>17899006
Then surely if it's such a great idea she can find someone else with those qualities? Or a man with all the same qualities? Even someone who will gladly go for the more radical original ideas?

I'm not implying there's anything sexual about it, I just think that's your man's knee jerk reflex because he finds it weird (and probably gross). But at the end of the day he's uncomfortable with it and do you really personally feel that strongly about participating? I can understand not being impressed with his response but there's a middle road, if you don't do the piece that doesn't mean you have to meekly tell him "okay sir". You can tell him he could've said he was uncomfortable and wanted you not to do it without insulting your friend and making crude implications about her intentions.

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>>17898960
"art"
Your friend is an idiot.
She has no talent and is not an artist and is literally going to wank in your face.

That is fucking stupid. Think about that for a second. That's not art.

Art is a nice painting. A nice movie. Good music. A good play. A interesting TV show.

It's not deep. It's not insightful. Heck, it's not even fucking thoughtful. It's literally some bitch wanking on your face who is going to display her pussy to a room full of people.
Literally, wtf. Holy shit.

Pic related. It's actual art made by a talented artist.

>>17899006
It's obvious you're just going to keep ignoring everyone's advice until some retard tells you it a good idea but guess what you would have made this thread if you actually thought it was good idea so I'm out of here I hope you're husband got a prenuptial bc you'll probably lose him over this stupid shit and nut job like doesn't deserve his money

>>17899010
>much easier
It's a matter of supply and demand. Men don't want to see dicks and expect to see some eye candy. Women feel neutral (or good) about seeing tits/pussy because they see it all the time anyway.

If you're a serious actress refusing to show your tits, good luck getting anywhere.

>>17899006
>>17899013
Shit, am just realizing now that you said "masturbate" not "menstruate".

No offense OP, I am personally a woman but this sounds pretty weak to me. I am not implying I am in the top percentage of most progressive people, but I do like some performance art and don't think that only the most conventional stuff is "real art".

Now I can see why she doesn't want to add a man, but having you watch her... Honestly if I saw it without context and had to attach a meaning I would sooner come up with some NSA privacy related message (the exposed private life) than any of the stuff you detailed.

you're naive as shit, yo

>srsly how the fuck have so many of us fallen for this garbage?!

If you go for it, just be sure to report back in two weeks when your friend is trying to pressure you into sleeping with her for "art" and your nude pictures are plastered all over the Internet.

>>17899016
Don't say it is vilified then.

That's garbage, not art.

>>17899026
>>17899026
I'm not OP, desu I was the bright light thinking it was about menstruation in which case yeah, that's a mundane reality of the female body that society is pretty hysterical about.

I personally don't think the female body is vilified as much as pigeonholed... which goes for the male body and sexuality as well in different ways.

>>17899010
There are some artists already doing similar stuff, and it's well accepted. She was inspired to do this piece after seeing a woman whose name I forgot who went around in a box letting people touch her breasts/vagina. It was very successful.

>>17899013
>>17899015
>>17899020
I'm not going to ignore all advice and I don't think I'm being unreasonable, I'll give context to this.

Her original idea was to really hammer it home that she was doing it in the face of society and breaking down the sexist view of women, she wanted me to hold my wedding ring in front of me at all times during the performance and have a squirting finale on my face, she'd look up some techniques to be able to fake squirt. I rejected those out of the bat and said I'd only do it if we found a compromise, so in no way am I inconsiderate or unreasonable.

>>17899036
>desu
What. Didn't know this was autocorrected. Anyway you get the idea.

>>17899033
feminism is garbage and so many of us fall hook line and sinker for the shit, idgi

>>17899001

This.

It's a chance for your feminist dyke friend to get off in your face, or it's a publicity stunt done by an "artist" with virtually no idea of how the art industry works.

Yes, she's getting her name, her brand, out there.
But as another washed up hack who wasted money on an art degree pissing an an ocean full of piss. LITERALLY EVERY FEMALE ARTIST EVER USES NUDITY, SEX, PERIOD BLOOD. Every single feminist dyke obsessed with their own bodies who drank the wymyn col aid.
Everyone thinks they're special and unique, for doing the same thing that's been done to death.

So, let's talk about who buys art.
Investors.

Well, first of all, this shit's always gross, so you've basically excluded anyone hygiene orientated.
Secondly, again, pissing in an ocean of piss. The market is flooded, over-saturated with feminist "art" with the only underlying message of "I bleed from my cunt once a month, and am oppressed because my poor economic choices didn't work out for me".

No one will buy your friends shitty art. It isn't her big break.
And for all her talk of empowerment and rape and sexual harassment are wrong, don't forget that she's specifically said that this HAS to make you uncomfortable.

I mean, if you actually believed any of that stuff about empowerment, standing up to social pressure, etc. You'd straight up be telling your friend she's really crossing some fucking boundaries and that no one should really be asking that much from a friend.

OP, the more you talk about how much you should do this, the more it sounds like you want to watch her get off in your face.
That's what your actions are showing ~ so I can understand your husbands concern.

>>17899037
>in no way am I inconsiderate or unreasonable

You're delusional and both of those things every single post here is telling you to not throw away your marriage for a random art show and you're looping around trying to convince us and urself that you should do it why even come her for advice if you obviously have made up your mind and just want to ruin your relationship

>>17898960
I'm sorry... but this project is rediculous. Performance art hasn't been truly recognized since Andy Warhol, it's laughed at the same way that interpretive dance is. You may think it's soooo empowering and helping so many women, but a donation to a woman's shelter/domestic abuse center would benefit more people.
Do you really want to watch your friend masturbate? Do you really want your face and body online? Because you do know this will happen, right? Someone will record it and put it on Youtube, or even worse an online article with your name included. A simple Google search will produce you in a room filled with blood watching someone schlick.
Beyond that, you took vows to your husband two years ago to honor him. If his opinion means so little that you would ask 4chan their opinion... then I have to answer your one question;
>Am I crazy?!
Yes.

All three of you are freaks

Do what you want

>>17899037
goddammit woman have some self-respect! pls? feminism doesn't ""empower"" us, ffs it's just rebranded marxist dogma

DONT DO ITTTT

>>17899037
>There are some artists already doing similar stuff, and it's well accepted. She was inspired to do this piece after seeing a woman whose name I forgot who went around in a box letting people touch her breasts/vagina. It was very successful.

HAHAHHAHAHA I actually have seen that video. You know where?
A porn site.
Goes to show how much of an impact she has made with her "art" :')

>>17898960
yes you are crazy and so is your dyke friend if you both think this is original in anyway. No if she asked your husband to sit in the chair she might have something.

The Vagina Monologues, go see, there is plenty of discomfort for most

>>17899006
>I couldn't be more privileged unless I was a man
Why in holy fuck do you even pretend? You will keep on and your husband will finally realize he married the wrong woman. Good for him to see this for what it is and now bow to you and your friend. I know you will do this anyway and it is a powerplay by your friend to make you choose. To make YOU choose.

>Be OP
>Want to fight patriarchy by becoming a joke to society
>Asks for validation from hubby
>Doesn't have validation from a male
>Asks for validation in a site where most are male and most males are misoginists
>Still doesn't find it
>"b-but female empowerment..."

You guys just don't understand what it means to be a feminist, to want to advance the movement and aware people. Also, yes, it needs to be me. She tested a bunch of other women and said I was by far the best choice because I best represent society. I've never had a gay experience, I never kissed a girl, I'm completely straight, and married. She said she didn't want someone who'd enjoy it. It's gotta be provocative.

>>17899189
>She said she didn't want someone who'd enjoy it

Well, she definitly did find someone who won't enjoy it: your husband

Ask her to film his reaction and divorcing you when he finds out, and also your crying sorry ass. It'll be a masterpiece, I'd pay top money to see it on fucking IMAX

>>17898960
What prejudice? Nobody gives a shit about females masturbating. All this shit is made up so that she can feel like a rebel.

Don't indulge in her fantasies OP, Jesus christ.

If you really feel this is an important act to partake in for feminism, then you're probably as crazy as this artist person.

>>17898960
Which is more important to you, dumb fuck?
Your marriage or awkwardly watching your dyke friend masturbate for a night for the sake of how you feel about it, keep in mind the latter is momentary and that your marriage is supposed to be forever. You're an idiot already for thinking this is a problem. I'm a girl and I think you're making up problems for yourself. Are you fucking bored in life?

>>17898988
The female body is vilified? Don't make me laugh. The female body is celebrated all over the western fucking world, are you fucking blind?

>>17899189
you don't understand feminism and your husband deserves better

>>17898960
This thread reminds me of that yoni massage lady and I think it'll end in a similar way as well.

>>17899189
>being a feminist now means being naked in a room filled with blood watching an angry feminist masturbate
You're right, I don't get it. Maybe because it's completely illogical and won't make a speck of change in the world.
You and your friend are the only ones that think this is a good idea, everyone else including unbiased third parties are explaining why... It just leads me to believe that your friend and yourself are complete morons.
Your friend's piece will at most reach a Buzzfeed article. Your husbands respect is worth that little to you.

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I won, this was bait but nobody called it

thank fuck

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>>17898988
>Because the female body is vilified and covered up in society?

>>17899207
Funny how those stupid cunts only do shit like that in civilized country

Go fight the patriarchy in the middle east OP. There the female body actually is vilified. You'll do double good to the world: fight the patriarchy where it really needs and die by the hands of radical muslins

>wants to stop female body vilification and objectification
>objectify own body as an art piece in an intentionally offensive act involving naked bodies and public female masturbation
>feminine logic

Way to go OP

>>17899189
>You guys just don't understand what it means to be a feminist, to want to advance the movement and aware people.
Oh for fuck sake.. Feminism is about equality. I don't see how it raises awareness for the movement for you to stare at her masturbating in a red room. This is not going to lead to equal pay for the sexes, this is not going to put more women in power positions because your friend needs to make a statement that we, women, bleed out of our pussies once a month and that we too are sexual beings.

As a female feminist artist, my verdict is: You're absolutely crazy and your friend is taking advantage of you for her own radical ideas. If anything, putting you on the lower chair just screams that women are more keen to drag each other down rather than helping each other when the men are obviously doing a good job at fucking us over as it is.

Do as you wish, but keep in mind that no one will give a fuck about this in less than a month after its been done, and as an outcome you might have a pissed off husband for the rest of your marriage.

>>17899037
>>17898960
Does anybody here remember the threads a couple months ago about the woman who did "yoni massages," and was completely oblivious to the fact that her lesbian friend was just tricking her into an affair? And her husband, and every single anon on /adv/ warned her about exactly what was going on, and she refused to hear it? And then her marriage completely fell apart, and she was miserable?

Moral of the story: Lesbians are TRICKY

Your friend is stupid, and has a sexual fetish for exhibitionism that she's made you a part of. Be wary of her, she'd break up your marriage and see herself as doing you a favor in the process.

Your husband is a controlling asshole. People in loving relationships don't FORBID anything. They take consideration of their partners opinions and feelings and make their own decisions with those considerations in mind.

You sure can pick 'em lady.

All that said, Do you want to sit in a red room and watch your frend fap? No one will care in 2 days time outside of her, you and your husband. Do you want to seriously damage your marriage? Which one do you want more. You're a grown up, make your own call.

If you decide you want to do this, talk with your husband first. Be kind but firm and assure him this doesn't change how you feel about him. Be prepared for him to be hurt and angry, and don't dismiss his reaction, he has a right to it. If you decide not to, tell him so, but make it clear it's your decision and not his.

As to your sex fiend frend (your husband is right about her, this has fuck all to do with art and everything to do with her sexual gratification). If you decide not to, make it clear to her that you don't want to to. Don't blame your husband because she will turn that into a manipulative attack on your weak submission to the patriarchy when she should respect your decision and say okay, I'll ask someone else.

Make better decisions about your relationships, eh?

>jerking muh lady bean in a red room while someone watches
>actually doing anything productive for women/feminism

Pick one. Its retarded up it's own ass art house bullshit. It's done to impress other trust fund baby art house bullshitters. Tommorw a hundred women will have their clits cut off in africa and gays will be thrown off a cliff in Saudi Arbia. But by all means jerk off in a red room because apparently not enough people think it's acceptable to jerk off in a red room. This will surely stop rape.

Source: went to art college.

This shit is counter productive nonsense echoe chamber faggotry.

>>17899251
I remember. That was the slowest trainwreck I ever saw on here.

And it's totally about to happen again! Keep us posted OP, you silly silly girl.

>>17899247
>Do as you wish, but keep in mind that no one will give a fuck about this

Oh I will... be sure OP, I'll make a point to masturbate daily to it, jerking my big opressing wank to it

>>17898960
Feminist and professional art critic here: Women have had vaginas since the dawn of time. There is nothing revolutionary about this. Shock value died in the '70s, your friend is a hack artist and a sexual exhibitionist, and your husband is basically right. You're crazy if you don't understand she's getting off on this

>>17898960
That's absolutely all out balls to the walls pants on head retarded.

>>17898960
>Am I crazy?

yes

nobody will understand that crap unless it is explained

it just looks kooky

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>>17898960
>break down the prejudice society has against female sexuality, masturbation, and also provide a commentary on rape culture

top kek how the fuck can you even say that when women have more birth control options then men and when men like promiscuous women?


>rape culture

top kek again you third wave feminists have nothing else to bitch about so now you created this delusional problem of rape culture.


>female empowerment and things of the sort

females are empower enough already you can literally rape a little boy right now and later sue him for child support and win.

>>17899037
>>in no way am I inconsiderate

>>My friend has contempt for what should be the most important relationship on my life and what it represents, and wants to publicly express that contempt by degrading me and my husband.

Yeah, okay.

>>17899252
>Your husband is a controlling asshole. People in loving relationships don't FORBID anything. They take consideration of their partners opinions and feelings and make their own decisions with those considerations in mind.
>You sure can pick 'em lady.

He's a controlling asshole for not wanting a video of his WIFE naked, watching someone jack off in a room full of "period blood"? I trust her decision in choosing men tenfold over her choice in friends. He obviously cares about her, which is why he's trying to prevent her from making a decision which the longterm consequences could cost her jobs, friends, relationships with family members and her own self respect.
Not to say that his opinion in the matter isn't self serving as well, but anon... You've obviously never been married, let alone had someone you wanted to be engaged to- two people unite in marriage and basically become one entity, why do you think they call it your "other half"? If he wouldn't do it himself, of course he would suggest his wife didn't. This is a public sexual act that will be recorded forever on the internet, he's not a cuck and wants his wife's body not to be his property- but to be respected by him and others. For fucks sake her friend originally wanted her to taint her wedding ring up during the entirety of the performance, it's blatant disrespect towards her marriage to her husband.
If one of your wife's friends was this creepy, and desperately wanted your wife so badly that no other woman could take her roll in this project, where no other face could be used to masturbate to... I can guarantee you would want to forbid this act.

>>17899304
You literally read one paragraph. Go back and try again, realize you made a run on sentence expressing exactly what I said. After that, break your fingers and resolve to learn from your mistakes by the time they heal enough for you to type again.

goddammit ya'll are posting in a bait thread

stop it

>>17899253
I'd argue that shit like this is actively destructive to feminism. To non-feminists, it makes the whole movement look fucking stupid. To well-intentioned, gullible feminists like OP, it gives an unearned sense of "I did my part" while contributing nothing worthwhile to anyone

>>17898960
>Am I crazy?
no. you are just retarded and full of first world problems

stupidity in the world is just like my dick. it raises

>>17899189
>she actually believes women need even more rights in the year 2016.

the fact that you have the right to vote without any of the responsibility of being drafted to the military like men is extremely privilege. this just goes to show that females are selfish by nature.

>>17899310
I read it, you're obviously too thick to have any sort of retort to my response.
Calling the husband a controlling asshole makes no sense considering you agree with the sentiment. You wouldn't want yourself or your wife to do it, so because he expressed his distaste and forbode her, you're somehow better than him because you wouldn't?
I made sure to explain it slowly so you understood what you had said and how retarded you sound, you're welcome.

OP here. Here are a couple of considerations and corrections.

First of all, I wouldn't be naked. She was thinking of either putting me in a wedding dress (like patriarchy and the christian family structure) or just regular clothes, and she'd be the one naked except for maybe some red heels. I think the high chair is a great point for illustrating she is above society's issues with women, not above me, as a woman. Her other idea was to be in a table filled with "extras" like a nice normal family and have both her legs around my shoulders, but this wouldn't work because she couldn't get children on this for obvious reasons. As for a compromise, what if I wore a mask or something? To not reveal my identity?

>>17899310
You are fucking retarded and his answer made perfect sense. You sound like a fucking moron who just has the need to scream, because he husband forbid her to do something moronic.

He is doing her a favor and any sane person can understand his need to stop her from doing shit like that.

>>17899338
Well what do you expect when history already tells us the patriarchal societies collapse with themselves. Wonder why when you have people like OPs friend who wants to put her in a small chair and grool on her from underneath.

>>17899189
>You guys just don't understand what it means to be a feminist,

the only actual things you need to fight against are slut shaming, and exaggerated images of beauty.

in every other aspect women have it easier. even the "hard" parts of being a women are purely mental. try being a fella and getting ignored by the opposite gender for most of your life.

>>17899353
It's still stupid. You're still looking for male approval for your "fight against patriarchy". This thread point how your support and your frient "art" as a whole is pointless and stupid.

>>17899353
You are literally retarded and I hope your husband is going to divorce you. You are just showing how unreasonable you are. Multiple people here told you why it is a bad idea. Nothing she would change about this set up would make it suddenly a "good project".

I don't want to imagine how hard your husband has it with you regarding other subjects and problems. You are the perfect example why men nowadays don't trust to marry a woman. Fuck you unreasonable cunt.

>>17899304
Exactly this. OP obviously isn't real, but it's amazing how threads like this draw the white-knight cucks out of the woodwork.

Anyone who would allow their wife to do something like this is actually a terrible partner. The real, long-term social & professional consequences of this stupid bullshit would vastly outweigh the kindness of doing a favor for her friend's art career.

If she had a blindfold on, walking straight for a cliff, would a good husband "let her make her own choices and figure it out for herself?"

>>17898960
>masturbating in a red room
>art
I hope your friend ends up homeless, and has to suck dick for money.

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>>17899014
Well it is art, specifically Performance Art

What ops friend is wanting to do is fucking garbage but don't discredit an entire subgenere of art that has some really amazing pieces

>>17899353
Okay OP here's the thing. And I'm saying this as a musician, an artist, and a writer. If it's art that is not meant to be interpreted differently per person, then you need to make the message as clear and concise as you possibly can. The problem is that this "art" does not properly express the very specific subjects your friend is trying to express, so you're going to get a lot of different interpretations from your viewers. Nudity can be art, but as soon as someone touches someone else or themselves it becomes sexualized. The "point of interest", If you will, in your friend's piece is that she's masterbating on/by you. To most people it will be pornography. To others it will also be pornography but to a fetish. Surely you realize that the majority of your audience will not see this "performance" as art. Also if you put on a mask then why can't some other plain Jane do the part. This whole thing is ridiculous no matter how you look at it.

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Alright, fuck it, I won't do it. Maybe society can grow up to a point where this image won't be threatening to the poor male ego someday. Happy?

I'd do it OP. If your husband doesn't understand he can fuck off. He doesn't need to understand everything, and he doesn't dictate what you do in life.

>>17899340
Oh salty motherfucker here, and you missed the point again!

Jesus, break your skull too, would you?

The point I'm making (and you're spectacularly missing) is that adults who claim to love one another have no place forbidding each other shit. You forbid a child or a pet or a retard (maybe that's why you aren't getting this? Do people routinely forbid you things?) from doing something, because they aren't capable of appreciating the consequences or or repercussions of their actions.

You don't forbid your wife of husband something, they are an adult capable of making their own decisions. The OP's husband is a dick for not recognizing that and he's treating his wife like a child. It doesn't help that she's acting like one, but he still has no place forbidding her anything, any more than she has any right to forbid him anything. It would be equally fucked if their roles were reversed too.

As an adult who loves her husband, she should see that this would hurt him and not do it for that reason. But he's out of line forbidding her to do anything. She's free to do what she wants as he's free to divorce her if she does things he can't forgive.

Do you get it now? Would you like me to link you to a dictionary site for the words with more than one syllable?

>>17899393
can I see the version where the legs are opened?

>>17899393
It wouldn't be threatening to the male ego, it'd be lesbian porn with weird set design. Lesbian porn exists for male pleasure. The only "feminist" thing that your friend would accomplish would be to prove that women can be just as good as men at sexually exploiting naive, gullible women.

>>17899393
There's a difference between your image and a shit show of you looking into your friend's snatch while she rubs one off. Now don't you have a marriage to ruin or something?

>>17899393
are you actually retarded? the female body is glamorized and celebrated through out western society

>>17899406
Do you mean sexualized in rape culture? Then yeah, it is, and comments like this are proof >>17899402

>>17899251

I thought of that thread immediately upon reading the OP. This is going to end the same damn way. Women disregarding their husbands' feelings because they're touchy about how they've been told not to do it and basically their marriage means nothing to them. OP should have married a black amputee dyke if she wanted to reach the levels of "progressiveness" she aspires to.

>>17899393
>Maybe society can grow up to a point where this image won't be threatening to the poor male ego someday.
>Anon asks for another picture
>RAPE CULTURE!!! RAAAAAAAAAAAAPE!!!

The mental gymnastics going here are amazing. 10s around the board, bravo!

>>17899398
Do you understand how marriage works? Marriage is a CONTRACT to stay together as a family, and avoid actions that will undermine the stability of that family. It means that you prioritize the health of your relationship over petty personal whims like this. If you want to be free to do whatever you want, and break up as soon as your interests don't align anymore - don't get married. Just be boyfriend & girlfriend.
>She's free to do what she wants as he's free to divorce her if she does things he can't forgive.
Bullshit. Divorce is not easy and it's not meant to be. This is meant to be a lifelong commitment, you don't just throw it away for a fucking art project.

He is absolutely within his rights to forbid this, just as she would be within her rights to forbid him from fucking his secretary. That's what marriage is all about, you give your partner a say in the way you live your life and make your decisions. Neither OP nor her husband are independent anymore, they have voluntarily formed a partnership.

>>17899398
Like I said, it's obvious you know nothing regarding marriage and have no life experience in the matter.
I could waste my time arguing with a retard, but I've got better things to do. Refer to these lovely anons who so eloquently illustrated my point which you're too dense to understand.
>>17899360
>>17899373
Have a lovely day you angry waste of space.

>>17899412
>Do you mean sexualized in rape culture?

... rape culture really doesent exist. 99.9% of men wouldent dream of raping women. its glamorized in the sense to attract men. fuck, if the female body wasnt so celebrated, life wouldent be so easy for you women.

>>17898993
underrated post

>>17899414
Yeah this is making me sad, I would've never responded in the somewhat callous way her husband did, but I would've felt like a cuck being "on board" I'd tell her it's up to her but that if she chooses to do it she'll have hurt our marriage and me.

>>17899044
This is a good opinion.

The choice is always yours OP. I don't envy your position because both choices are leading on collision course.

Personally i think your friend is fucked up in the head and attempts to constantly influence you to shift your view of reality.

>>17899412

Comments like that are made to get under your skin, congrats, you fell for the bait. It's not rape culture to ask for another picture.

does anyone else feel like this writing style is very familiar? In the past months there have been quite a few threads where a husband/boyfriend is basically fucked over by a seemingly oblivious woman. I wouldn't be surprised if all these threads are being made by one person.

>>17899459

We don't even know that he responded callously, really. We're depending on her description of it but is it honest or is she stating it that way because she didn't like being told no?

>>17899471
Stupid speaks the same language.

>>17899247
>Men are doing a good job fucking us over
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if feminist problems were typically the fault of over women. Same thing when you guys wanted the right to vote, all the white women threw black women under the bus and it took longer for it to happen as a whole because of unification issues.

>>17899436
That's some great mansplaining there. I already said I'm not gonna do it, you guys can stop acting like I'm mentally challenged. And if rape culture isn't real, how come I can't wear revealing clothes in public without being harassed every day?

>>17899471
I'm not sure what you mean, but normally I post on /co/ and I found that to be a more open, liberal board. Do you mean using grammar and punctuation, because most people in this thread write like this?

>>17899471
its probably the same person baiting. adv is easy to bait. i have seen shitty, obvious baits, get like 100 replies.

a fair few women here and they are always easy to bait, and normies are easy to bait because they dont understand baiting

>>17899471

The overall message is the same, somehow the man is oppressing his wife for not approving or supporting dumb shit that the woman's lesbian friend wants to do. Because if you don't like how someone says something or if you don't like being told no, it's perfectly okay to disregard your husband's perfectly reasonable feelings on the matter.

>>17899251
>yoni
Is this archived somewhere? I stopped reading the threads before the OP actually went through with it.

>>17898960
you should do it

then link the photos here so I can imagine facefucking you to death

>>17899485

>mansplaining

100% bait, don't waste your time guys.

>>17899485
>l, how come I can't wear revealing clothes in public without being harassed every day?

because there is a difference between rape and a guy cat calling you. girls do the same thing if a ripped guy walks around with his top off.

>>17899490
>Is this archived somewhere
Yes.
She made more than one thread.
Probably the same OP tbhonest

>>17899485
>Uses mansplaining unironically
>"You guys can stop acting like I'm mentally challenged"

No. We really can't, just like how you can't comprehend why your friend's art isn't art.

>>17899495
>his reaction to a woman replying to him is trying to shut her down

Yes, clearly I'm a crazed feminist.

>>17899496
I have never seen this happen once in my life, and most men in the world look below average to be honest. If I didn't marry my husband I'd die single because most guys can't even be bothered to take basic care of themselves.

>>17899498
Dude, you're a man, you don't get a say in what is art for women. That's like me telling a black person BLM is meaningless.

I'm losing my fucking patience.

>>17899003
Agreed, i dont understand why a women with any sense needs help with something like this

>>17899495
...was that not clear from the very first post?

>>17899507
>Assuming I'm a man

You're not helping your case here. Also art is a universal language. You can't technically tell people what your friend's piece means because it'll mean something different to everyone. You really are retarded.

>>17899507
>If I didn't marry my husband I'd die single because most guys can't even be bothered to take basic care of themselves.

you just have retarded standards or live in a shit area. i seen plenty of well dressed, clean men.

>ive never seen girls cat call guys

because not many guys are ripped in the first place. sometimes girls slap my ass and shit like that. it happens. i very rarely see guys cat calling women.

>>17899507

Do the art project OP. It'll be great! It'll be a great message for feminism when your idiocy ends in divorce. That's what you want, right? You want to be told that you're doing good work for feminism despite your husband being absolutely correct and logical.

>>17899507
>That's like me telling a black person BLM is meaningless.
Except that Black Lives Matter is (at the heart of it, anyway) a movement that is trying to address a serious flaw in the way law enforcement officers are prosecuted for breaking the law, save lives, and achieve justice for wrongful death. That stuff is actually, objectively, important. It's not an abstract art project that MIGHT encourage other people to fight for tangible change, they're fighting for tangible change.

You're talking about a woman masturbating in another woman's face in an art gallery. Please have some perspective.

>>17899373
Different situation entirely, you're talking about her physical well being there. He'd be obligated to tell her what she's doing and if she continues walking toward the cliff, it'd be a logical assumption that she's mentally ill and thus falls under the acceptable groups of people to forbid things to (pets, children,retards).

>>17898960
>we'd sit in a red room (like period blood) and I'd sit in a regular chair, and she'd be in a high chair, and I'd have to watch her masturbate. This is supposed to break down the prejudice society has against female sexuality, masturbation, and also provide a commentary on rape culture and female empowerment and things of the sort

kek

Do it OP!

>>17899419
>>I've got better things to do.

Evidently not.

>>17899421

ITT, future ex husbands paying child support and wondering why their marriages fell apart.

Do it, OP. Then report back when your divorce is finalized.

>>17899548
And you don't see how that applies directly to this thread? OP is not an artist, this would not help her career in any way. It's just a favor for a friend, which would publicly embarrass her and destroy her marriage. She wouldn't literally fall off a cliff, but the damage to her life would be real, and she's obviously got her blinders on if she can't see that

>>17899419
Hell, while I'm at it, to quote you

>>That's what marriage is all about, you give your partner a say...

>>You give your partner a say...

>>a say...

Thanks for highlighting my point exactly. A say. Not all say. Not final say. A SAY. You take their opinion into account. Which is exactly what I've been saying.

To forbid is different than having a say. To forbid is to have the final say, control of the outcome. Having a say implies an equal or at least semi equal footing.

This is a say:
"I say we should do this"
"I say we shouldn't do this"
"Guess we'll have to figure it out."

This is to forbid.
"I say way should do this"
"Too bad, I forbid it."

Do you appreciate the distinction yet? Precision in language is everything.

>>17899558
Not the same. There is no danger to life or limb. You don't get to intercede on behalf of stupid people because they're making stupid choices. If that was cool, the entire state of Florida would be a ward of the state.

For example. Your friend tries to throw himself in front of a red Lamborghini because he's having a breakdown about his age and station in life. You have a reasonably understood duty to act.

Your friend takes out a second mortgage to buy a red Lamborghini. You don't get to tear up the contract and drag him out of the dealership. Is he making a ruinous decision for stupid reasons in both cases? Yep. Can you treat them the same? Nope.

>>17898960
>Am I crazy?
Yes this is retarded. This bait was okay I guess

>>17899554
Hey genius, you quoted the text backwards.
Two seperate people, and just so you know there's no chance of me becoming a "future ex husband paying child support wondering why my marriage fell apart" because I'm a woman.
You're the one who literally said;
>She's free to do what she wants as he's free to divorce her if she does things he can't forgive.
With that ideology, I seriously doubt you will ever lead a successful relationship, let alone marriage.

>>17899604
I'll be sure to mention that to my wife of 8 years and our kids over dinner tonight.

>>17899604
Oh, and my mistake Ms Crazy Cat Lady to be. The phone app for 4chan sucks, makes replying awkward.

Either way enjoy the female equivalent (spinsterhood) and wondering what it would have been like to get married and have kids ever.

>>17899589
>You don't get to intercede on behalf of stupid people because they're making stupid choices.
You do when you're married to them

>My friend is inviting me to watch her masturbate

Why are your alarm senses not going off? Also hire a specialist for your friend or better yet admit her to a mental facility

>>17899614
Oh, now you're married? HAHAHHAHAHAH okay, sure.
Keep crying because no one agrees with you.

>>17899231
Lol this, I hear complaints from feminists about BOTH sides of this. They're worse than armchair generals wanting to fight a war that's been won...

All of the "civil rights" movements in the country are only working now to establish their superiority not equality. I wonder what MLK Jr. would think of "Black Lives Matter". He actually worked for equality, in a fucking American way, guy was based. Now idiots like OP only serve to humiliate themselves and erode things like marriage that serves both sexes.

OP, it's pretty obvious you're just here to rationalize. Do yourself a favor and realize that, and see if you can't figure out why you got married if not to be an equal partner with the man you "love"

Unless you don't love him anymore, then snap out of this bullshit, otherwise do it and flush your marriage down the shitter

>>17899628
I've got 9 years under my belt and my relationship isn't going anywhere because it's actually real.

>>17899633
Sometimes you do. When joint finances or mental instability are involved. Not when they're doing something stupid but not insane or wrong (which for our purposes means harmful in a concrete and quantifiable way while also possibly irrational).

You can refuse to let your husband purchase a car with joint funds. You have to go to court and it's frustrating and stupid, but you can.

If he has his own funds that are held seperate and that can be tracked as having been earned exclusively by him, then it's just tough shit, he bought that car in his name and his wife has no claim on it unless he dies.

That's why there are divorce lawyers, to figure out which decisions and assets are jointly made and owned and which decisions and assets are exclusively the domain of one party or another.

That's here nor there though. OP's decision doesn't impact finances, property or marital status directly (may cost her future opportunities, but that can't be proven, it's all hypothetocal). If she went ahead with it, he'd have no recourse to make her stop, just a hard decision about what to do after.

So as I said, he can't forbid it. All he can do is express emotional reasons for her not to do it.

To say "I forbid you to do this" in his case is an empty assertion of an authority he just doesn't have and can't enforce. It's emotional manipulation and nothing more.

>>17898988
>vilified
You feminists have such a fucked up worldview. It's more like a treasure that is jealously guarded. No one vilifies the female body.

>>17899574
You're missing the point entirely, and de-railing this thread just to pat yourself on the back for understanding that women have free will. It is a given that she CAN do whatever she wants, whether her husband uses the word "forbid" or "strongly discourage." It is a given, from the first post in this thread, that OP does not live in a society where a woman is her husband's property.

The only leverage he has on her is the contract of marriage, which she willingly entered. He's not her daddy. She chose to be with him. She still has the power to do anything that he "forbids."

The rest of us are trying to impress upon her that he's actually looking out for her best interest, and it would be a huge mistake to sacrifice her marriage for the sake of something so frivolous. You're playing devil's advocate and taking her side for... what, exactly? To prove your superior grasp of the English language? You're missing the forest for the trees, this thread isn't about you, so it's time to shut the fuck up

>>17898960
>As both a woman and a feminist
heh

>>17899665
K, if you say so. I'll mention that to my wife too.
>>17899673
Keep telling yourself that sweetheart. Also I like how you add one to my number of years married and claim it makes you more of an expert.

Lonely landwhale in a palace of Cat hair detected.

>>17899690
This, exactly.
>>17899682
Anon, actually take the time to read what he wrote. You've missed the point countless times.

>>17899690
This. It's astounding how idiotic people are that they cannot grasp style concepts like these.

>>17899690
>>Derailing a thread that's already over... K.

OP bowed out and said she wasn't going to go through with it quite a few posts ago. Read the thread.

How does one derail a thread that's already concluded, exactly?

Also, what I'm pointing out is that the OP's husband is right, but still an asshole, just as her friend is a shitty person too, and that she needs to make better choices in her life about whom she spends her life with.

>>17899699
>nobody agrees with me, I'll use incorrect stereotypes to drive my nonsensical point home!!!
9 years, didn't have to add shit because it's actually true, /fit/ as a fiddle, have been taking breaks from conversation because I'm getting chores/tidying done, and on top of everything am more of a dog person but don't currently own any animals. Sorry to break your illusion, I'm nothing you're wishing I could be for your retarded argument to make sense.
The reason I assumed you were lying about being married is that your lack of life experiences had been questioned more than once and you said nothing. Now at the end of the argument you're suddenly married?
You first thought I was a dude, then a lonely spinster, and now a landwhale. I don't need proof that you're a retard, you're screaming it to everyone in this thread.

I don't get it.

>prejudice against female masturbation

It's 2016 and every sane civilized person knows regardless of our genders, human beings masturbate. It's natural for people to be uncomfortable when talking about this subject because it's embarrassing for them. It's not only limited to women masturbating, imagine a man telling everyone in public "hey guys im john I like to masturbate" I'm sure some would think he's disgusting or insane. Where is the prejudice?

>against female sexuality

I'm sorry but how is the topic of sexualities of females involved in the 'art'? And, what exactly is the problem? Over the years there had been tons and tons of LGBT/ Gay Pride protests for awareness, even some Christians support gay people. Are you saying those communities only favor man and fail to give gay women the same support?

>rape culture

How is this related to her 'art' in any fucking way?

What is the exact problem she wants to alleviate?
Why does she think only females have these problems?
In what way is her 'art' related to rape culture or prejudice against female sexuality?
Why do you feminists always think women are more special and superior than men, while men are big bad evil guys who are pig rapists? Why are you always assuming there's a problem affecting females while in reality everybody's confortable with what they're doing?

And period blood? I'm really sorry but the idea of her 'art' really makes me can't help but think she is fucking mentally challenged.

>>17899710
You were taking the exact same stance BEFORE she made that decision. Cut the shit.
>OP's husband is right, but still an asshole, just as her friend is a shitty person too
So, just as I said, you're only here to declare your moral high ground over anyone and everyone. You are fucking useless.

>>17899729
Haha burnt to a crisp.

But I'm curious, why come here if only to respond to posters like him? There's been some good advice in this thread, despite not fitting your personal narrative, it was well-meaning

Why not respond to those?

>>17899690
Lastly, while I'm on the topic: I didn't bring the word "Forbid" into this, the OP did. It's a very specific phrasing, which makes me think her husband said it.

Often, the sort of men who forbid their wives something are also the type to forget we live in a society of written rules in which women aren't property, and that violence isn't an appropriate response to a woman doing something her husband has forbidden. It's can be a very important distinction.

>>17899745
We get it dude, you're assuming. He's an asshole, you're an asshole. Can you idiots shut the fuck up so OP can keep getting assblasted?

>>17898960
You realize this kind of "art" is the equivalent of clickbait?

"Artists" do this crap all the time. How many of them are noteworthy, or wven remembered 10 years down the line?

>>17898960
I understand nude photography, but watching someone else masturbate seems too extreme.

I think you should ask your friend if there is a way to chill out the project? If not, I say don't do it.

You can nude model for art classes and professionals for money anyway. I did nude modelling at my university a few times and got cash. Watching someone masturbate is not art.

>>17898960
OP is obviously yoni masseuse fanfic writer.
Its so painfully obvious that its the same person. Multiple threads will be made, OP will ignore advice, husband will leave OP, and OP will dive further into this artistic degeneracy.
The writing is shit. Step up your game OP. Its literally the same as your yoni story with a mild difference being its her job and not yours.

>>17899729
I didn't bring up my marital status earlier for the same reason your posts details are irrelevant. Pics or it didn't happen.

I'm not posting anything personally identifiable on 4chan, and let's face it neither are you. You can claim to be married and a supermodel scientist forensic investigator with a made for tv past for all it matters. Neither of us will prove shit about ourselves in this forum.

The only word I've got that you aren't a dude posing as a married woman is what you've typed. I'm as skeptical of you as you are of me.

And the delays in my replies are for a similar reason. It's my day off work and someone has to keep an eye on the kids.

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>>17898960
>As both a woman and a feminist
> Am I crazy?
yeah , lil bit .

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>>17899393
shoe culture has fucked those toes , gross.

>>17898960
desu Your friend is boring, why won't she do something different, something new? She's just approaching the topic that was approached too many times. Ask her if she ever heard about Bourgeois or Semmel. For fuck's sake if she considers herself an artist why won't she be one

Ah and your question... Welp you should ask yourself what do you care more about:
your relationship or something you consider art

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>>17899740
You assume I didn't give advice earlier in the thread. >>17899053

>>17899771
>pics or it didn't happen
Just so you know you're not as clever as you think you are. I don't need or want anything in return.
>inb4 dirty nails- I'm in the middle of cleaning.

>>17899787
Because she's not really trying to be an artist, she's just an exceptionally crafty pervert

>>17898972
upvote

>>17899390
I hope you're not using that picture in defense of your argument.

>>17898960
You are litterally insane if you think going along with that is fine.

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>>17898960
You know that there are people who actually have problems and who seek help on this board.

Oh and you forgot to read pic related

>>17899884
Don't act hollier than thou, 99% of everything posted on this board since it was created boils down to "how do u talk to grill"

>>17899037
You got me.

/adv/ is good with all these writers creating stories. Motherfuckers know how to wrile us up.

>>17899189
>aware people
You cunts really didn't click on to this bodybuilderforums lingo? This is a bait thread.

>>17898960
>152 replies and 9 images omitted. Click here to view.
/adv/ i am disappoint

When I was is college we had an art society which I was a part of, I made quite a lot of art and I talked to a variety of people. I did photography, painted because I wanted to create aesthetically pleasing images both abstract and mimetic, did performance art, the whole shebang.

I'll let you into a couple of secrets.

First of all, you look for meaning after you're done. This is how all analysis for any art or humanity works, some meaning can be drawn out because it is intentional on behalf of the artist, some is purely incidental and occurs as a result of the creative process. Both are equally valid.

Secondly, the better artists are usually some fucked up people because when you do art, especially as a profession you are completely removed from society and live in your own fantasy ego world.

So baring that in mind, you have to consider that most artists at some point will use these to their own ends. Case in point I cheated on my gf who was comfortable with me using a girl from art society as a nude model (who I'd convinced to take part as a nude purely for the sake of art) and a subject for a performance piece where there would be flashing lights of different colours, loud techno and me splashing paint on her while her nude body was vitruvian'd against a wall. Sure I was interested in creating some decent art, but also I was motivated by wanting to see this girl naked and having sex with her. It was a win win, I saw her naked and we banged, I had a good cover for cheating and I was able to make some interesting art.

Essentially, your friend might want to make good art, but also be a crazy lesbian. I know what artists are like, your husband is probably right.

tl;dr he's right

is your friend marina abromomvomvoic?

>>17898960
Do it. You can take your husband's advice but ultimately you're your own person and can do whatever the fuck you want. Don't let him tell you what you can and can't do. At least he should respect your reasoning and view of it.

platnium bait thread

OP you have to stop
baiting /adv/ is cheating

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>>17899853
I am

>>17898960

This didn't happen. Stop posting this shit.

>>17898960
You not crazy you beautifully! Just do! Because once in life like true love!

>>17900050
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>>17898960
>This is supposed to break down the prejudice society has
after this thread do you really think that could happen? will performance really have any different effect afk?

How do you think this will change anything apart from your marital status

To top it all off your "friend" tells you are perfect because you represent everything wrong with society

>>17898960
Your husband is correct. Rule #1 in life. Never make friends with a SJW feminist. It will fuck up most of your relationships. Believe I know what I'm talking about.

>>17899786
omg her vagina is her face meaining society sees her identity as nothing more than a sexual object etc..
>>17899767
what if op is artist and threads are just part of it?

woah

We fucked up
That poor sod will now stay with her and she will fuck him up eventually and you know it

>>17900408

Nah, she'll still do it. Women like OP do stupid shit just to be rebellious against everyone that doesn't agree.

>>17898960

Fuck you and your feminism bullshit, bitch.

>>17898960
modern mainstream feminism, especially when it's involved with "art" is pure bullshit, those "artists" focus too much on loud shock factor than making an appealing message that can talk to masses and actually make a difference. don't embarrass yourself op, stay out of that. if she wants to go with that project she can hire someone to do that.
t. /ic/
also female, if it makes any difference

This thread degenerated quickly,
Changing my stance,
do as you please it's your life and body.

anybody know what sculpture that is?

>>17900507

>modern mainstream feminism, especially when it's involved with "art" is pure bullshit, those "artists" focus too much on loud shock factor than making an appealing message

Our society tells us not to talk about sex; not to talk about things that make us uncomfortable. It tells us that female sexuality is an commodity and that the only way to be accepted and proper is to what you're told, practice modesty and don't do or say anything to upset anyone.

I don't know what the best way to combat this thinking is. I don't know anything about art or feminism but what I do know is that making people uncomfortable with art is a tradition that goes back hundreds of years. For hundreds of years people have been creating things and for hundreds of years people like you have been calling it tasteless garbage and shock value nonsense and for hundreds of years we've been having this some conversation about what is and isn't allowed in our society.

I suspect that without this art and without the people either dumb, bold or confused enough to make it we wouldn't be having this conversation about social norms and maybe having this conversation is a good thing.

You don't have to agree. You don't have to like the art or even consider it art. You just have to admit that this conversation is important. Art that starts conversations serve a purpose beyond just viewing it, in my opinion.

As far as OP's involvement and her relationship with her friend, I have no idea, but I don't think participating would be any kind of embarrassment. Thats the joy of art and discourse though. Our differing opinions create discord and movement, ensuring our society doesn't set like cement and become an immovable set of values and norms.

only a good idea if you have smashing tits

can you post a pic of your tits? with timestamp

This thread is hilarious.

And OP, I'm sorry. Bait or not, you really are dense as a rock.

>>17900536
>Our society tells us not to talk about sex; not to talk about things that make us uncomfortable.
No, it fucking doesn't. This is the problem with "feminists" like you. You want to pretend we're still living in the 1940s so you can feel like you're "fighting the power." But the sexual revolution was over & won before you were born, women have equal rights and equal social standing in almost all parts of the modern Western world, art does not have the capacity to shock anyone anymore. It has all been done. There's no way we could be more sexually liberated, everything is permissible except pedophilia.

Porn is mainstream. Kink is mainstream. Homosexuality is mainstream. You're not shocking anyone anymore, you're not upending any taboos, you're just showing off your pussy because you want people to look at your pussy.

>>17898960
> *forbidden* me from participating on it
This makes him the crazy one, treating his wife like a 4 year old child, who's not allowed to play with other kids.

Not really a fan of the project and performance art generally, although it could work as breakthrough I guess. If you want to do it for whatever reason, do it.

>>17900536
i don't see straight men watching each other masturbating for art projects and screening it publicly for everyone to see
want to make female sexuality more mainstream? why not make porn dedicated for female audience solo, like they do in japan. that's just one idea

>>17900507
You realize it's the point, yeah? People don't give a fuck about an appealing message these days, it's about who makes the most noise and gets the most attention. The simpler, the better and there is nothing more simple than naked bodies.

>>17900553
>equal social standing in almost all parts of the modern Western world
Ahahaha. Bet you believe racism doesn't exist anymore either.

>Porn is mainstream. Kink is mainstream. Homosexuality is mainstream.
Have you ever talked to a person over 30?

>>17900573
there is a difference between good attention and bad attention

>>17900597
Not really, the point is to make people talk and think about shit. Ideally it could work on intellectual basis but this is the year when a literal twitter meme clown became the president of the most wealthy first world country.

>>17900608
>most wealthy first world country
lol

>>17900612
It's a fact. Murica failing at distributing their wealth fairy and having shit tier life quality for normal people is completely different topic.

>>17900553

>No, it fucking doesn't.

From my perspective, it does. You're more than entitled to your opinion.

>This is the problem with "feminists" like you.

I'm not a feminist. You can try to group me into whatever group you want in an attempt to dismiss me but logic can't be quantified in such simple metrics.

>You want to pretend we're still living in the 1940s so you can feel like you're "fighting the power."

I think the problem with people like you is you forget that the 1940's wasn't so long ago. If you honestly think that social structures from less than 100 years ago still don't affect us then you're either willfully ignorant or just plain ignorant.

>Porn is mainstream. Kink is mainstream. Homosexuality is mainstream. You're not shocking anyone anymore, you're not upending any taboos, you're just showing off your pussy because you want people to look at your pussy.

And this is why art like this still exists, because people like you still lose your shit over it; because people like you still stoke the fire of conversation. The old guard versus the new.

Maybe you're right. Maybe she's just doing it for attention. Maybe Picasso just painted abstract naked women because he was mentally retarded. Maybe "Catcher in the Rye" by J.D. Salinger was just a dumb story about some shitty kid he knew but that isn't the point.

The point is that the acts still exist, it still made its impact and we're still having conversations about their implication.

>art does not have the capacity to shock anyone anymore

Obviously it does. You're participating in a nearly 200 post thread about it. You are, seemingly, quite passionate about the topic. You haven't even seen the performance yet you're all riled up. Coincidence?

>There's no way we could be more sexually liberated

Do you honestly believe that or are you being purposefully daft? I struggle to see how any person with a functioning frontal lobe can't see the giant logical misrepresentation in that statement.

>>17900730
>Maybe "Catcher in the Rye" by J.D. Salinger was just a dumb story
No maybe's here. Although at least it's better than the similarly overhyped Gatsby cancer.

Pretty good post though.

>>17900565

>i don't see straight men watching each other masturbating for art projects and screening it publicly for everyone to see

Believe it or not, there are societal differences between the acceptance of male and female sexuality. Shirtless men are featured millions of times a day in magazines, TV, movies and media yet in the United States female nipples aren't allowed to be seen.

On Instagram you can show literally every part of the breast except for the 1-2 inch spot where the female nipple is.

I'm not making a case for anything here but on its face, if you really think about it, can't you see how strange and arbitrary that is?

I mean, really think about it. What is it about male nipples that is ok for people to see but not female? I dunno, I always thought that was weird.

>want to make female sexuality more mainstream? why not make porn dedicated for female audience solo, like they do in japan

Well, firstly, there is a shocking amount of varieties of pornography. I've personally never met a woman who felt like she couldn't find any pornography she liked. Where there is a will, there's a way.

Secondly, I don't see how assisting females masturbating in the privacy of their own home does anything to change societies perception of the female sexuality.

Thirdly, I don't know if making it "mainstream" is necessarily the goal. I just think that as a society we have a lot of things that we accept about ourselves under the unified assumption that we not talk about it. This isn't just relegated to female sexuality.

There's an intense amount of things that we as humans sweep under the rug and avoid discussing because it makes us uncomfortable and I, personally, enjoy it when the rug is flipped and people are forced to address it, whatever form that may come in.

>>17900745

>No maybe's here. Although at least it's better than the similarly overhyped Gatsby cancer.

I think your response is awesome and illustrates my point perfectly, because as an author I couldn't think of any greater honor than having people arguing about whether my novel is a flawless piece of art or utter garbage nearly 70 years after I wrote it.

My point being that whether or not you loved the book or thought it was 200 pages of garbage we're still talking about it.

The greatest pieces of art aren't ones that everyone loves or everyone hates, its the ones we still talk about.

>>17900763
I mostly agree with you but what about the works that get talked about due their "fanbase" and not anything really work related itself? Sure there is something special about a work creating that kind of a community, years after the author died but if the end most of the discussion is barely about the work itself, is it really that great in the "it had an impact" sense?

>>17900745
Hey /lit/

>>17900757
Not the one you're answering to but what does this piece of art make us discuss? You're saying that we're uncomfortable with discussing things, but what? Female masturbation?
Also, if
it were a guy ejaculating on his married buddy's face in a semen colored room, would it be okay? Or if his wife told him not to, is she a matriarchal figure oppressing her husband trying to express his sexuality?

>>17899393
It's not, but I sure as hell would not want my wife or daughter doing something like this. It's different when it is someone you care about.

>>17900757
except females don't get excited from male's chests as males from female's

>yo susy, check out that dudes tits
>omg sarah >////<
>wow so hot
>i wish it was hot now so his shirt will get all sweaty and i'll see his nipples
>omg lewd eheehee
>i will totally masturbate tonight thinking about his tits

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>>17899006
You have something that has become increasingly rare in this society of ours and you want to pervert it? Nothing sexual about someone masturbating in your face? Do you read what you write?

>>17900778

That's a great question, and honestly I don't have an answer to that. It kind of reminds me of the book 1984 because the majority of conversation surrounding that book is the "Big Brother" aspect of government intrusion and facist rule but the majority of people I know who partake in that discussion don't actually know many details of the book itself.

I think what makes the impact of a work "great" is just as subjective as the piece of work itself. The wonderful thing about art is that it all impacts people to varying degrees. Even if we all can't agree to how important or insignificant a work was in the grand scheme of things the point that we're still discussing it should count for something.

>Not the one you're answering to but what does this piece of art make us discuss?

Depends on who is seeing it.

>You're saying that we're uncomfortable with discussing things, but what? Female masturbation?

For some, yes. For those that are uncomfortable with it this "art" may be very stimulating and offensive. To those who are comfortable with it the "art" may seem stupid and irrelevant. All depends.

Maybe you as an individual aren't uncomfortable discussing it. Maybe even you and your friends are fine with it too but you have to frame these discussions in context with the general zeitgeist, not just your own personal proclivities.

Sexuality in general, not just female, is still something that society struggles to rectify with its own sense of degeneracy and religious undertones.

>it were a guy ejaculating on his married buddy's face in a semen colored room, would it be okay? Or if his wife told him not to, is she a matriarchal figure oppressing her husband trying to express his sexuality?

I have no idea how to define "okay". That would depend on the parties involved. I also never suggested at all that the husband's problem with her participation was at all oppressive or patriarchal. The boundaries in their marriage are for them to decide, not me.

>>17900812
>this nigger clearly isn't /fit/

>>17900827
only /fit/ thinks that having boobs bigger than your girlfriend's is attractive

>>17900812

>except females don't get excited from male's chests as males from female's

I'm glad you said that because in your attempt to be a smart ass you actually expounded the conversation in an interesting direction.

So, from what you're saying, the reason its acceptable to show a male's nipple is because you claim that women derive no sexual excitement from seeing a shirtless man (which is false, but lets go with that). Which implies that female nipples aren't acceptable to be shown because of the sexual excitement it evokes in men.

Sexually evoking men is not allowed, and in your mind, women aren't sexually evoked by, inherently, the same images.

That begs the question, where did the sexualization of the breast come from in the first place? What about the sexual evocation at the sight of a nipple is unacceptable in a society that GLORIFIES nearly every aspect of sex to sell products to adults and children every day?

We live in a society where sex sells nearly every product. Every bit of our media is drenched in sexual overtones, innuendos and skin but this one body part, the nipple, is not allowed.

You've quite accidentally taken part in a very interesting discussion about the way our society views sexuality. Congrats.

>>17899006
>I'm a white, blonde, married, upper middle-class straight woman. I couldn't be more privileged unless I was a man
out of every website availible.
WHY THE ABSOLUTE FUCK WOULD YOU CHOOSE TO GO TO 4CHAN
GO TO REDDIT, TUMBLR, MYSPACE, OR FUCKING STORMFRONT
just get the fuck out of here.

>>17900840
Just like with chicks, it's not about the size but the shape.

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>masturbating in front of a bunch of people is "art"

>>17899189
Don't refuse to do it because it's probably just for your dyke friend to get off on, or because it will make you a living joke, and especially not because 4chan told you not to.
don't do it because it would upset your husband.
if my wife did this after asking and explicitly being forbade, i wouldn't just divorce her, I'd beat the shit out of her and her dyke friend.

>>17900887
It's like you want some gay experiences with Tyrone and Jamal yourself.

>>17898960
If I saw what your friend proposed then I would scoff and take feminism and modern art less seriously than I did before. I'd feel bad for the other people involved because they might had been well meaning but were misled into thinking that this project would have any positive effect on the way people think about the issues that matter.

In short: It's stupid, it will look stupid and people will think less of you and what you stand for.

>>17898960
Art is subjective. You can call anything art.

Do you think it's art? Because I don't think you're going to find many people who will think this is art. (as evidenced here)

Art, to me, is something that talented people put their energy, love, and time into. Art is inconvenient, and something that you need to get out of you, not something you do for recognition. "This is going to be my breakthrough", signals that she's more concerned about recognition than creating something special.

Also, it seems extremely inconsiderate of her to do this to you. People often suffer for their art, but she's having another person suffer for her art.

>>17899574
It's not like he owns her, but if she does something he expressly forbids, the relationship is over.

>>17901039

>It's not like he owns her, but if she does something he expressly forbids, the relationship is over.

That's what I love about you robots, your inability to understand even the simplest aspects of human relationship.

>>17899414
>should of married black dyke if she wanted to reach the levels of "progressiveness".

There's a problem with that statement. Black Jewish people don't exist. That's just a bunch of propaganda.

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>>17898960
It's laughable that he thinks he can forbid you to do anything, but he's 100% right about your friend being a crazy dyke wanting to get off in your face. Even if she weren't, putting out ridiculous performance "art" is not going to affect any sort of real change in society.

This is actually a pretty good descriptor for feminism as a whole: Sitting in a chair masturbating in your friend's face, pretending that you're accomplishing something.

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if you go through with it I look forward to masturbating to it OP.

>>17901609
He said dyke not kike. Lesbo, not jewish.

I could really really really enjoy this thread if /adv/ had IDs

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>>17901623
>This is actually a pretty good descriptor for feminism as a whole: Sitting in a chair masturbating in your friend's face, pretending that you're accomplishing something.
I can't breathe.

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>>17898960
why the fuck are feminists so obsessed with period blood? Don't you dumbasses realize that shit just turns people off to feminism?

>>17898988
>the female body is vilified and covered up in society
Feminists ACTUALLY believe this
Jesus fucking christ, decency and tact are fucking dead if the female body is vilified and covered up in THIS society

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>>17900880
>more and more feminists make videos of them masturbating
>some start to ironically take dickings to depict rape culture in art form
>wait this is just porn
Thanks, feminists!

>>17898960
Don't do it OP. Your friend is crazy. Follow your husband's advice. He went overboard forbidding you, but that's because he loves you, and you're crazy, and he's worried you're going to make an ass of yourself. How can you be the mother of his kids if you do shit like this?
Please OP. Come back to Earth.

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>>17899390
what is this piece even supposed to be about? no wait, let me guess, its something about periods and period blood

This is completely idiotic. I say this as a person with a degree in fine art. This is nothing more than pretentious art school bullshit that nobody in the real art world (or the real world in general) would take seriously.

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>>17902033

>the female body is vilified and covered up in society

>Feminists ACTUALLY believe this

Are you not aware of the millions of women living in the middle east right now who literally have to have their bodies covered in public under penalty of law? The women in Africa who have their clitoris removed at birth?

You don't find it at all strange or arbitrary that its perfectly fine in western society to dress scantily for the sake of sexual enticement but as soon as a woman whips a tit out to feed her baby people get all up in arms?

Maybe the brand of feminism we have now is not the brand we need but this willful ignorance of the actual issues concerning women and sexuality on this planet is a little startling. Like you're so eager to devalue feminists that you're ignoring a lot of really important issues that they occasionally do a lot to help and address.

I think feminism often takes leaps of logic to prove its legitimacy but the same could be said for people like you who take the same logical leaps to prove its illegitimacy.

B8

>>17902059

Do you not see the irony your post?

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>>17902078
holy fucking shit, are you THIS fucking retarded?
>millions of women living in the middle east
its ALMOST as if I referencing western culture on this WESTERN IMAGEBOARD

you should honestly kill yourself for being so fucking dumb

>You don't find it at all strange or arbitrary that its perfectly fine in western society to dress scantily for the sake of sexual enticement but as soon as a woman whips a tit out to feed her baby people get all up in arms?
You don't find it strange or arbitrary that men are dressed scantily for the sake of sexual enticement but as soon as a guy whips his dick out in public, people get all up in arms?
>its almost as if tits are sexualized : OOO

>this willful ignorance of the actual issues concerning women and sexuality on this planet is a little startling.
>ignorance buzzword
Wow, its almost as if I don't want to see some fat whale's disgusting, shitty tits and vagina. If you want a nude society, go fuck off to a nudist colony.

>Like you're so eager to devalue feminists
are you sure you guys aren't the ones eager to do that? because everything you say or do seems to indicate you're trying to make yourselves look like utter delusional fools
>this guy actually wants to watch their female friend masturbate in front of them, and then call it art instead of porn

Feminists are THIS retarded, people. Go eat some period blood cupcakes, pretentious faggot

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>>17902094

>its ALMOST as if I referencing western culture on this WESTERN IMAGEBOARD

Are you not aware of the vast amount of people from different countries who visit this site? A ridiculous amount, in fact.

>you should honestly kill yourself for being so fucking dumb

You sound pretty angry. You ok, man?

>You don't find it strange or arbitrary that men are dressed scantily for the sake of sexual enticement but as soon as a guy whips his dick out in public, people get all up in arms?

Breasts provide life to babies. Penises do not. The fact that I have to explain to you that breasts and penises are different speaks volumes about your diminished capacity for critical thought.

>Wow, its almost as if I don't want to see some fat whale's disgusting, shitty tits and vagina. If you want a nude society, go fuck off to a nudist colony.

I'm not sure what backwater swamp you crawled out from but here in the big city ignorance is not a buzzword, its just a regular word. You're ignorant. I also don't know what you're talking about. I don't remember anyone saying anything about wanting to live amongst nude people.

>are you sure you guys aren't the ones eager to do that? because everything you say or do seems to indicate you're trying to make yourselves look like utter delusional fools

Again, I'm not sure who you're referring to or what exact talking point you're referencing because you're kind of just spewing insults with no real direction or point of reference. If you're going for rage-poster of the year award you're right on track but as far as a debate goes you're a few sandwiches short of a picnic, sir.

>Feminists are THIS retarded, people.

You made no factual points, performed a series of poorly executed logical fallacies, insulted a numerous amount of people and made wide, sweeping generalizations with absolutely no direction or purpose whatsoever and that illogical verbal diarrhea is supposed to be proof that feminists are retarded?

You're a hoot.

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>>17902121
>Are you not aware of the vast amount of people from different countries who visit this site?
gee, its almost as if the vast usership of this board is from western countries

>You sound pretty angry. You ok, man?
Yes, I do tend to get triggered when I get flashed by retardation

>Breasts provide life to babies. Penises do not.
the fact that people have to explain to you why they don't want to see some chick flop out her disgusting tubular breasts speaks volumes about your diminished capacity for critical thought

>You're ignorant
Ha look, I called them ignorant! I won the argument, right??
> I don't remember anyone saying anything about wanting to live amongst nude people.
I can't believe I have to spell this out for you
>western society is quite ok with women in lingerie being displayed fucking everywhere
>you're still concerned with the "actual issues concerning women and sexuality on this planet"
The only thing left at this point to de-sexualize is the actual fucking sex organs you fucking dumbass, forgive me if I figured you could make the logical conclusion that being uppity about "actual issues concerning women and sexuality" involves freeing the breasts and vajayjay. Because what other problems are there for women in the west? Oh... women have literally every single right that men do, and even moreso because they aren't drafted for war among other reasons? oh women have literally no problems in the west except that they are expected to act with a smidgen of decency? how awwwful
>inb4 wagegap
retarded feminists are unable to comprehend the simple fact that the wage gap is entirely calculated by taking the average womans wages and dividing it by the average mans wages. no FUCKING wonder the average woman in the US makes less than the average man when women go into teaching and nursing when men go into oil and engineering

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>>17902121


By the way, its hilarious you're accusing me of logical fallacies when your initial post was quite the epitome of intentionally mis-interpreting the argument (hurrr urrr, the fact that women are fucking beaten to death in the middle east means that women need to walk around with their vaginas exposed to the open air in the west!) or accusing me of being de-based when you realize that YOU are the person aruging that we need "feminism" or social progress for women to whip their tits out, or consider it a good feminist cause to make it socially acceptable to literally masturbate in front of their friends or to literally eat period blood

>You made no factual points
Yeah, great debate tactic, say they don't have any when they actually do.

Goddamn, apologies if the unabashedly repulsive paradigms, culture, and goals that feminists have make me fucking weep for humanity, then go and have the gall to be pretentious about it

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I told her I couldn't do it and she was devastated, we both agreed this is a sympton of exactly what we're trying to fight, I'm pretty sad and she is too because she knows I really wanted to be a part of something. She asked me if I wouldn't even be down for another visual project she's working on of artistic depictions of the female body like the pictures I've been posting, no face, but I bet everyone would have a problem with that too. She wanted to include me in SOMETHING.

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>>17902249
if this is actually OP

>we both agreed this is a symptom of exactly what we're trying to fight
what exactly are you trying to fight? the pervasive SANITY of society that feels as though masturbating in front of your friends isn't socially acceptable? or are you just fighting the evil concept that porn isn't usually considered an artform? what a noble quest you are on!

>I'm pretty sad and she is too
if you really want to see her masturbate that badly, then leave your husband for a liberating life of advancing the feminist cause. You have to decide what's more important to you, and if your husband doesn't allow you to do what you think is important, then maybe its time to make some life changes honey, even if those life changes fly in the face of what's considered acceptable by society. After all, feminism is all about fighting notions of what's socially acceptable or even what's considered sane, amirite?

>>17898960
Would it be acceptable if your hubby was invited to a similar art project?

> equality

If anyone wants to read the Yoni Massage Lady it's here.

The Yellow Bellied Yoni Crony
Part 1: http://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/17611196/

Part 2:
http://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/17618418/
Part 3:
http://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/17620565/
Part 4:
http://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/17625723/#17626161

>>17902249
OP, I have a few things to say and I hope you consider them.

Understand that the project your friend asked you to participate in is pretty weird and strange by society's standards. It comes as no surprise that your husband would be against this; he is bound by many of the same social chains that you are. I would not be upset with him. Also, as many other artists in this thread have pointed out, your friend isn't going about this the right way. Is the goal to reach many people and effect a change in society? Is the goal to make your friend more popular as an artist? It should be clear that this project will not acheive any of those things.

The female body is not vilified in western culture much at all, and the west would be the audience of the art project. If you're actually concerned about giving women more liberties over in the middle-east, and you aren't just trying to feel good while actually doing nothing, this type of art is definitely not the way to do it.

Those pictures of the female body you've been posting are completely different from what your friend suggested. If you had asked, "is it alright for me to pose nude (but faceless) for a friend artist," this thread would have gone in a very different direction. I think the only instance in which I would be alright with that situation personally is if the artist is someone I knew well and trusted, and my spouse had chosen to remain anonymous.

I think you've made the right decision by choosing not to participate; your friend is looking for a particular type of person, but there is no reason she couldn't say another person was of that type for the sake of the piece unless she was deriving some sort of personal gratification from it - no onlooker is going to look into your life to conclude, "Oh, yes, she would be uncomfortable there."

>>17902249
If you agree to the pictures, make sure to wear a mask as you're taking them so there's zero chance your face will be on any of the pictures; whether it's for the public or for your friend's spank bank.

>>17902426
<implying OP is even good looking enough'
lol im sure guys would fap to some middle aged butterface

>>17902426
she won't wear a mask. part of the reason the dyke friend want OP was to see her reaction.

>>17898960
>husband is saying she's just a crazy dyke wanting to get off on my face and has absolutely *forbidden* me from participating on it
>saying he'd feel humilliated by so many people seeing this

Man what the fuck. I think your husband has a bunch of issues he needs to work out.

>I'd have to watch her masturbate. This is supposed to break down the prejudice society has against female sexuality, masturbation, and also provide a commentary on rape culture and female empowerment and things of the sort

I don't get it. This sounds retarded. I don't get these artsy people.

Either way, your husband is taking an extremely close minded, simplistic view on the situation. He's being completely unreasonable about it. The fact that he'd feel humiliated by it makes no sense at all. It has nothing to do with him for fucks sake and you're not doing anything in that situation. I smell a bit of an unbalance in your relationship but anomalies do occur.

>>17899003
As a male I don't see why that's fucked up and how that makes her a shitty wife. Your thought process seems barbaric to me.

>>17902517
I agree that saying "forbiden" is a little extreme, but certainly I can relate to the sentiment of being humiliated by, "So, anon, tell us why your wife had to watch another woman masturbate again?" By virtue of being his wife, the situation has a lot to do with him.

>>17898960
This is bait.

>>17898964
>btw i'm a photographer, would you mind posing for nude photos for me? totally an artist i swear.
It amazes me how many women fall for this.

>>17902521
So if your partner did something that became public that generally looked stupid or weird or whatever, you'd see that as a reason to be humiliated yourself? That makes no goddamn sense to me.

>>17899068
Same. And the same thing will happen to you OP. Nobody takes this garbage seriously as art. You will forever be associated with smut.

>>17902536
"Stupid" or "weird" is an understatement here. If my spouse does anything, it reflects back on me since I was the one who chose them as my spouse. I don't know why it doesn't make sense to you, it's a pretty obvious thing. Perhaps you've heard the whole "Bringing dishonor to the family" thing in Asian households - it's similar to that.

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> b8 thread
> 239/26/101/1
/adv/ I thought you were better than this

>>17899252
>Your husband is a controlling asshole. People in loving relationships don't FORBID anything.
This is such a stupid modern idea. Relationships are built on compromise and sometimes compromise means not following your every whim if it means seriously hurting your partner. I have skipped out on stuff I wanted to do for the benefit of partners in the past and I've asked for and received the same consideration.
You're not being "controlled", you're being offered a choice between preserving your relationship and following a whim.

>>17902536
Have you not read this thread? OP is obviously trolling, but if you're not, you're retarded. The entire point of the "art piece" was to mock the institution of marriage. She's literally taking her wedding ring off and holding it up in front of her while a lesbian masturbates on her face. In public, on video.

If you would be just fine with your partner doing something like this, you are pathetic. It is a blatant act of disrespect and public humiliation, with absolutely no benefit for OP since she's not an artist, just a friend of the artist. It's basically a declaration to the world that "My wife is a gullible moron, and I am a spineless cuckold"

>>17899393
This literally just looks like something from a soap advert in a magazine. Nobody is bothered by the human body anymore except small fringes and people who only exist in the imaginations of weirdos.

>>17899419
Its amazing how many people don't get this.
If you want to be "free", don't get married. Choosing to marry is choosing to give up a measure of your autonomy in exchange for security, companionship, and being part of a larger whole.
Getting married when you want to be free to do whatever you want is like joining the army when you want to be a pacifist. Don't make the commitment if you aren't, you know, COMMITTED.

>both a woman and a feminist
>Am i crazy?

>>17899471
Having tried to convince a lot of gullible, naive female friends like this not to make similar stupid decisions (usually nude modelling), its just how they talk.

>>17899485
>mansplaining
You had me going for a while, but this crossed the line into unbelievable bait territory.

>>17899507
>most men in the world look below average to be honest
If this entire thread isn't bait (which I'm almost certain it is), I am now sure that you're closeted, which explains your unbending desire to be part of this weird display with your "friend".

>>17899037
I thought that box thing was just a porn actress doing it for fun, I jerked off to it

>>17899175
Ay this is deep

>>17899815
What a disgusting hand and with the disgusting opinions, I'm not sure how anyone is married to you

>>17899690
This.
"Forbidding" something, in a modern Western marriage, is just saying "You can have this or you can have me." Its offering you a choice.
You can't force your partner to stay with you while you do whatever you like on the grounds that leaving you would be "controlling."

>>17900050
OP is Hillary Clinton.

>>17900853
BS, it's about both

>>17902520
>As a male
I'm glad you (rightly) didn't call yourself a man.

>>17898988
Nice b8 but I'll bite.
>Nicki Minaj makes all of her money from her big ass
>Kim Kardashian is only famous because she fucked a guy on camera
>Porn is a multi-million dollar industry
If anything, the female body is glorified and exposed extremely often in society. Nice try though, just divorce your husband and admit you're a dyke just like your """"friend."""""

>>17902249
I feel so sorry for your husband, but hey stupid is as stupid does and it sounds like you, your husband, and your lesbian lover are full of it. If you really want to help your friend with her "art" then either make a porno (because that's what most people will see this project as), or actually take her to get art lessons so she won't be some fame chasing hack.

Never. Let. Anyone. Control. Your. Hand.

No one owns you.
If he doesn't like it, he needs to get over it.

Try to see from his perspective of course. Talk it through calmly. Express why this is important to him, and that it won't threaten your relationship with him. Likely there is some deeply rooted fear or insecurity this triggers. Get it into the open. Show him that what you're doing is not a threat.

If he's more concerned about how he looks than your desire to express yourself, then I would do it anyway and fuck the consequences.

I once stayed with someone, and bent myself so strongly for someone who wanted to control me. When I snapped out of my stupor of love, I vowed never to let another being stop me from what matters to me again. At the end of the day it didn't work out with him, and all the opportunities I missed because of him I will never get again. The bitterness here has taught me this lesson strongly.

>>17902249
>I want to fight the patriarchy of marriage!!!!!
>I voluntarily chose to marry my husband, and choose to remain with him every day
>Boooooo, why won't he let me spit in his face without complaining?? Patriarchy!
Are you not seeing the part where you're full of shit?

>>17902738
>it won't threaten your relationship with him
The entire thesis of the art piece (besides sexual exhibitionism) is the defilement of OP's marriage. That's the entire reason her friend wants to include HER, specifically. Nobody forced OP to get married, nobody is forcing her to stay married - can you really not see how this would just be a hypocritical slap in the face for her husband?

He can't stop her from doing this if she wants to, nor should he be able to. But there are times when you just can't have your cake and eat it too, and honestly, if I was OP's husband, this would be one of those times. I would not stay married to a woman that publicly, explicitly denigrates our marriage, that would be masochistic.

Either the art is meaningless and pointless, or it DOES threaten their relationship. If you've read this thread carefully, you'd see that it really can't be both harmless and worthwhile.

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>>17898960
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>>17902249
Gr8 b8 m8 don't hesit8 to elong8.

>>17902157

>(hurrr urrr, the fact that women are fucking beaten to death in the middle east means that women need to walk around with their vaginas exposed to the open air in the west!)

Nice strawman.

>accusing me of being de-based when you realize that YOU are the person aruging that we need "feminism" or social progress for women to whip their tits out

Another great strawman.

>or consider it a good feminist cause to make it socially acceptable to literally masturbate in front of their friends or to literally eat period blood

Going for the triple. Nice.

>>17902628
>>17899690

>"Forbidding" something, in a modern Western marriage, is just saying "You can have this or you can have me."

Using your relationship as leverage to force your partner to do something is called blackmail, and its the trademark behavior of children.

I think you're confusing this concept with an ultimatum. There is a gigantic difference between "If you don't do what I want I will leave you" and "If you participate in behavior that is harmful to me emotionally I'll have to protect myself."

There is a very slippery slope between the two. People who hold their relationships hostage to control their partner typically don't just stop there. Acknowledging that she is PHYSICALLY capable of doing whatever she wants does not at all address the legitimacy of the ultimatum.

I think this whole thread is just one expounded hunk of shit because none of us here know the context or communicative qualities of this marriage. It is QUITE possible that OP's husband is a manipulative fuck who uses his marriage as leverage to control his wife and its also possible that OP uses the same leverage out of context to justify doing things despite her husband's protest.

The fact is we don't know. All we have is a couple sentences of information and the rest is just speculation.

>The rest of us are trying to impress upon her that he's actually looking out for her best interest

This sentence kind of contradicts everything you said beforehand, implying that anyone is justified in holding their relationship hostage to control their partner AS LONG as its in their best interest. So who gets to decide whats in their best interest? That's a pretty bullshit piece of logic there.

>It is a given that she CAN do whatever she wants, whether her husband uses the word "forbid" or "strongly discourage."

Also, this here is a logical leap of epic proportions. "forbid" and "strongly discourage" are miles apart in context. They aren't the same thing at all.

>>17899731

>It's natural for people to be uncomfortable when talking about this subject because it's embarrassing for them.

Yes, but why is it embarrassing?

>imagine a man telling everyone in public "hey guys im john I like to masturbate" I'm sure some would think he's disgusting or insane. Where is the prejudice?

You're not looking deep enough into the social fabric, sir. You're basically strawmanning the entire argument to assume that the goal of this "art" is to make everyone comfortable discussing their masturbatory habits in social situations and thats just not accurate.

Male sexuality is more easily accepted and accessible than female, plain and simple. Female sexuality is more of a treasured commodity and females without modest, or females who discuss or embrace their sexuality in any public form are considered worth less than their more chaste counterparts.

>What is the exact problem she wants to alleviate?

Why do you keep thinking that art is supposed to solve a problem?

>Why does she think only females have these problems?

I love this argument. I'm not allowed to start a fund for hurricane relief because what about tornadoes? Its ok to focus on one social issue at a time.

>In what way is her 'art' related to rape culture or prejudice against female sexuality?

I don't know, but you're asking the question aren't you? Maybe the goal of the art was to create a discourse?

>Why do you feminists always think women are more special and superior than men, while men are big bad evil guys who are pig rapists?

Ok, now you're just going full strawman.

>And period blood? I'm really sorry but the idea of her 'art' really makes me can't help but think she is fucking mentally challenged.

OP never said anything about period blood. She may be mentally challenged but here we are talking about her and her "art".

A smarter man gather that just by the mere fact that we're all here discussing this and what it means and arguing her project is a success.

>>17898960
man i wish i had 265 meaningless dotted lines

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>>17903403
>Female sexuality is more of a treasured commodity and females without modest, or females who discuss or embrace their sexuality in any public form are considered worth less than their more chaste counterparts.

uh yeah, that's basic supply and demand you skank

Increase quantity supplied OP's dirty pussy :: Decrease in marginal value per unit of busting that nasty ho out

>>17903383
> Using your relationship as leverage to force your partner to do something is called blackmail

the flaw in your argument is, that there is no forcing.
When I say to my partner "I leave, if you do X" I am in no way forcing him/her, because I have no power in their head. I could force them physically to do something that they dont want to do, if i am stronger. But I cant force them to say, do or think something they don't want no matter how much more intelligent I might be, they have always a choice.

and even the people you quote say.
> you can't force your partner
and
> she is not his property and can do whatever she wants.

your argument is invalid.

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>>17899815
>No time stamp, posts random hand with ring.

Thats not how evidence works. Proof would be a time stamp genius. Anyone can get a pic like that. Nice try though, it was cute ;)

>>17898960
I feel sorry for the poor son of a bitch who married your retarded ass kek
Literally no awareness

This is bait and everyone ITT is a retard.

>>17898960
Hey op I'm all for female rights and feminism and junk but this just sounds stupid.

>>17898960
imagine your husband in your position. would you really want him to watch some other woman masturbating infront of him?

>>17898960
only do it if you want to service apolloyon.

>>17902121
>benises don't provide life to babies

Lady, how do u think sex works

>>17898963
Dali did this all the fucking time, are you kidding? Jerked himself off in a statue of Mary one time. Artists are all bloody weirdos m8

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>>17898988
>she has no interest in me
> her original idea was gonna me more LGBTQ+ centered in which she wanted me to watch another woman perform cunnilingus on her.
These statements do not add up

>>17898960
kek
it'll amount to nothing, it's a waste of time, meaningless symbolism that no one will see except circles of feminists. It's also heavily flawed:
>the prejudice society has against female sexuality, masturbation
These things are far more accepted and supported in society than male equivalent, effectively there is no prejudice against females in this regard, it is promoted more and more aggressively actually. Female sextoys have been around for a long time and are far more accepted than male ones. Such activism would be relevant in the 60s and a little bit up to the 90s, but today? Not relevant, lessening overt sex and sexuality in everything would be a more relevant cause, really.

>>17899532
#bluelivesmatter

>>17898960
>Basically, my friend who's a small time artist invited me to be part of her latest project, which she believes is going to be hear breakthrough
lol

>>17899786
Is that now considered acceptable for blue board posting BC there's no meat sleeve?

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>>17902341
I don't even get how people fool themselves like that. Also amazing she didnt seem to understand how much she truly fucked up by going through with the affair.

>>17898960
bait? poes law