What, exactly, does /adv/ have against transgender people? I'd

>>17794520

>I am convinced I should have a third arm
>to the point of grafting it on
>despite all the medical risks

Being transgender doesn't make any sense. Basically it comes down to "I want to have a pussy".

I understand being a fag. I understand being a cross-dressing fairy. But actual sex change? NOPE.

I mean, it's your life if you want to ruin it, but people advocating it make zero sense.

It doesn't matter to anyone. Looking for people to disapprove of what choices you make is foolish. It comes across as though you aren't certain of the situation in the first place. Do whatever the fuck makes you happy. Anyone who wants negativity in your life isn't someone you want. Do the treatments or kill yourself. Either way, it doesn't fucking matter to strangers on the internet.

I'm not trying to belittle your struggles but is it really an issue of life and death. I say this because I really fail to see how something like that will get you this crazy.
If you want to call yourself a woman, do so. No one is stopping you.
Also what he said >>17794537

>>17794528
How many people with third arms do you know?

Men and women occur naturally. Male and female hormones are also present in female and male bodies. What proof do you have that something didn't hiccup along the way, getting, say, me an extra dollop of testosterone despite of lacking a Y chromosome or the other way around?

Female dogs with unusually high testosterone levels sometimes pee with one leg up like males do, and they don't even HAVE a concept of gender.

>>17794537
All I'd like to ask are things about male social functions from which women are excluded. Women have stuff they don't do in front of men, so I have no doubt that the opposite must be true.

But being seen and raised as female, with a mentally absent father who made zero effort to raise me as male, I'll need more than "wtf bro just be yourself".

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>>17794520

>What, exactly, does /adv/ have against transgender people?

You know that one friend everyone has that thinks anything other people like that he doesn't like is stupid? He thinks his hobbies and skills are the most logical and anyone who doesn't "get him" is just dumb?

He talks shit about people's likes and passions and when they get upset he considers that their problem, not his?

Multiply that guy times a a hundred thousand. That is 4chan.

Personally, I don't give a shit. Take off your dick, sew it to your head for all I care. There is a lot we don't know about gender identity, mental health and sexual biology. I have enough humility to admit that I don't have the expertise, knowledge or experience to fall on either side of the argument.

Not to mention the fact that the whole issue doesn't really affect me so telling people they're right or wrong for doing what they want with their life is pretty pointless.

>>17794545

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Men and women occur naturally. Male and female hormones are also present in female and male bodies. What proof do you have that something didn't hiccup along the way, getting, say, me an extra dollop of testosterone despite of lacking a Y chromosome or the other way around?

>more estrogen
>want a vagina

Giant leap of faith there.

>Female dogs with unusually high testosterone levels sometimes pee with one leg up like males do, and they don't even HAVE a concept of gender.

Link to study. Link to study DIRECTLY correlating this instance to high level of testosterone. Link to study showing this never occurs when normal levels are present.

>>17794520
It's a mental illness you stupid fuck, holy shit, look up Occam's razor

>>17794553

>Giant leap of faith there.

Not really. I'm not that poster but he wasn't trying to validate the concept of transgender identity but merely highlight the possibility that there could be a ton of shit happening biologically to explain this that we don't know about.

You don't know that transgender biology isn't a real thing anymore than we know it is.

The fact is we don't know. You don't know. I don't know. None of us are biologists. We can talk about what "makes sense" to us all day long but the fact is that people are doing it.

Seeing as how none of us really know what the fuck we're talking about the only logical conclusion is to go about our day and stop talking out of our assess about something that doesn't really concern us.

>>17794554

Saying "occam's razor" is not an argument, bluntskull.

What is your question?
All I can read is "why don't you guys tell me what I want to hear?!?!" and the answer is because we don't care about your feelings. If someone thinks you're wrong they say so. Are they right? Who the fuck knows, ask a question, receive answers, do with those whatever the fuck you want.

>>17794559

>Seeing as how none of us really know what the fuck we're talking about the only logical conclusion is to go about our day and stop talking out of our assess about something that doesn't really concern us.

Most things in life don't concern you directly. With that in mind, back to the topic at hand.

The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of people undergoing transgender surgeries suffer horribly - they lose their natural organs and the shredded imitations they receive in return are constantly painful. Their "vaginas" don't lubricate, their "dicks" don't function. In case of a "vagina", penetration is painful.

Hormonal therapy causes a ton of problems. They never truly look their gender, etc.

That is a LOT of cons for "I have always wanted an organ which I can't possibly imagine." To me, it very much sounds like "progressives" taking things way too far.

It's because you have a mental illness and so nobody should support it. Over 80% of post op transgender people regret the surgery. Cutting your dick and balls apart doesn't make you a woman. It makes you a victim of a dangerous mental illness. If you keep your genitalia but change the rest of your body that's another situation entirely. You admit you have suicide on your mind, that's a red flag that you should seek professional help instead of a greedy surgeon.

>>17794520
Hey, I'm here. Don't listen to any b.s. anyone says to you on here. There are still good people in this world. Wish this site wasn't always anonymous and I could post my phone # or something. 22 yr old girl here. I'll be a real person and talk to you OP, don't lose faith in everyone because some shitty people decided to mess with ya

>>17794528
people make this argument and the funny thing is I don't think any of them know an actually tranny.

most of them just take fucking estrogen and maybe get a titjob. like to be honest what the hell is wrong with that?

>>17794587
OP please don't liSten to any of this bullshit ^^^^^^ you are a human therefore you are absolutely worth it. For real. There are still some good people around here. Don't listen to any idiot hating moron giving you bullshit.

>>17794601
Not op
Can you be my girlfriend I'm desperate

>>17794520
>why are y'all so convinced that I don't deserve any?

This is a general consensus on 4chan in part to the idiocracy of /pol/ and /b/. There's lots of dumb, ignorant and worthless opinions on this website and that happens to be a prevalent one. No this does not reflect most educated adults, something this site is severely lacking. Any LGBT advice should be asked elsewhere than the chans.

>ITT: shut-in NEETS pretending to be biologists

>>17794618

And not to say that everyone on the chan is hateful, but most act like it even if they arent. You'll find good nuggets like this: >>17794608 but the inflamatory and hateful posts will always outweigh the helpful ones.

So, just steer clear of here since most newblets on here think they are being funny or they cant take their personal prejudice out of the equation.

>>17794528
Out of plain curiosity, what is your opinion of people born with all or some of the physical characteristics of both genders, that is intersex. If they believed to be one of the two genders would you be opposed to them having a sex change to a specific gender?

>despite all the medical risks
The jury is out that there are much at all.

I don't think most people give a shit. I only hate the loudmouth activists who make their whole identity their gender. Just fuck off you twats

>>17794520
Trannies are disgusting fucking freaks. Please try to note that internet hugboxes are NOT indicative of the real world. 99% of the dating pool will be repulsed by you, you will be a genetic and hormonal abomination, you will never pass 100%, you will never have children, and you will die alone, usually at your own hands because trannies have a massively high suicide rate due to the aforementioned reasons.

Go to a doctor and get on TRT and be a man. Make your father proud of you. Parents of trannies usually fall into a deep depression wondering what the hell they did so wrong.

If having and not having a dick is what's stopping you from killing yourself I seriously think something else is the problem. I'm not saying don't even get it, but I feel like something else is the issue and if you do get surgery then seek actual legitimate professional help, maybe even before surgery. That being said don't listen to anyone on this site, me included.

You do have a mental condition.

>>17794630

>Out of plain curiosity, what is your opinion of people born with all or some of the physical characteristics of both genders, that is intersex. If they believed to be one of the two genders would you be opposed to them having a sex change to a specific gender?

If it was likely to be effective, no, I would not be opposed. Risk/benefit ratio. In this scenario, they are fucked already, so it makes sense for them to be less risk averse than those with clearly male/female genitalia.

>The jury is out that there are much at all.

Not according to what I read. Also, much simpler surgeries take half a year+ to recover and can be felt for life. Hard to imagine that turning a dick inside out would result in pleasant sexual intercourse.

>>17794644

>trannies have a massively high suicide rate due to the aforementioned reasons.


And that has nothing to do with societal opinions like these, right?

>Trannies are disgusting fucking freaks

News alert, this is a minority opinion..

>>17794655
When you say opposed does that just mean you dislike the idea of trannies but you're okay with their choice to go through with the surgery or do you believe they shouldn't be allowed to even get the surgery.

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>>17794655
>If it was likely to be effective, no, I would not be opposed.

Because psychological research has equated intersex individuals with those who are transgender. So, believing in one and not the other is scientifically inconsistent.

>Not according to what I read.
Yeah, but so do a lot of surgeries. Even a nose job takes weeks to heal. I agree there is healing that has to happen. But i do not agree that it is more painful or harmful in the long term than plastic surgery or having your kidney removed etc (all things we accept in society) Why not let them have the choice?
>seek actual legitimate professional help, maybe even before surgery.
This is a requirement from every single doctor who performs transition surgery. Generally they must see a psychologist many many times and live as the opposite gender for upwards of a year before being accepted/considered. This is status quo already, so what are you whining about?

>you will never pass 100%
pic related, doesnt even have a dick..

>>17794669

i couldn't give a fuck how people fuck up their lives.

> shouldn't be allowed to even get the surgery.

This for parents making decision.

> you dislike the idea of trannies

I absolutely don't care about trannies existing. You are confusing me with someone who has some sort of moral qualm about gender purity.

>but you're okay with their choice to go through with the surgery

If a friend I care about asked me if they should do something like this, I would tell them that no they shouldn't, because it doesn't make any sense.

>>17794601
wats ur number bby ;)

I hate trannies but I'll dick down a qt trap any day

Just be a trap anon it's much easier

>>17794686
That's fair enough.

>>17794685

>Because psychological research has equated intersex individuals with those who are transgender. So, believing in one and not the other is scientifically inconsistent.

One is apparent physically.

>Yeah, but so do a lot of surgeries. Even a nose job takes weeks to heal. I agree there is healing that has to happen. But i do not agree that it is more painful or harmful in the long term than plastic surgery or having your kidney removed etc (all things we accept in society) Why not let them have the choice?

I am against plastic surgery except for extreme cases. Most people do not understand how serious the side effects of any surgery are.

>This is a requirement from every single doctor who performs transition surgery. Generally they must see a psychologist many many times and live as the opposite gender for upwards of a year before being accepted/considered. This is status quo already, so what are you whining about?

1. Not my quote.
2. Psychologists are nothing more than glorified life coaches. Psychology is seriously a joke. You know what aversion therapy is? (e.g. asking a patient to masturbate past ejaculation to "de-condition" them, etc).

>pic related, doesnt even have a dick..

Name / link to life history.

>>17794614
Haha.. how do I contact you

>>17794699
>One is apparent physically.

Both are apparent physically with FMRIs. That is what im trying to say. Both are quantitatively and physically apparent.

>I am against plastic surgery except for extreme cases.
Okay, fair point. Glad we could find a more general clash point than purely transgenders.

>Not my quote.

Yeah sorry, i didnt intend that at you, but rather who posted it. Also the photo not aimed at you.

The person's name is Buck Angel. Idk about personal life but he's a pornstar so you can see his vagina if you truly want to on just about any site. Im sure googling the name will also give you life history.

>>17794520
>>>/lgbt/

>>17794709
You can't, I'm too much of a social retard for a girlfriend.

>>17794699
>Psychologists are nothing more than glorified life coaches.

Also, sure psychologists can be a joke, fine. But they are sincerely more educated about human behavior than you. So between an two bad opinions im more likely to believe the educated person who spent their life studying the subject rather than someone who formed their opinion in a handful of hours.

Also the proof is in the realm of brain science, not touchy feely qualitative only research. We're talking about literal blood flowing through the brain, tough to argue that when you merely have an opinion with nothing to back it whether it be logic or evidence.

Also aversion therapy is not a prevailing method and is certainly on the way out.

>>17794720

Some things to consider:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuemQxNbz_E

1. He doesn't have a working dick.
2. He was a butch lesbian before (appearance wise)
3. Being on roids IS bad for you (which he is on). Cycling properly is actually very difficult and has a shitton of side effects. I am not even talking about trans here, just in terms of putting on muscle mass.

>Both are apparent physically with FMRIs. That is what im trying to say. Both are quantitatively and physically apparent.

There is a difference between brain activity being different and readily apparent physical characteristics. Back to the risk/reward scenario.

>>17794746

>Also aversion therapy is not a prevailing method and is certainly on the way out.

It's been out for a while. But psychology has and has had a bunch of other dumbass methods. We still don't fully understand how lithium works for bi-polar disorder, for example.

>>17794746
>>17794699

Also a collection of the peer-reviewed research i spoke of if you're curious:

http://aebrain.blogspot.com/p/transsexual-and-intersex-gender-identity.html

>>17794553
I'd like to point out again that I'm female-to-male, and very likely got an unusually high testosterone dosage because of my mom's PCOS.

Do you know about this thing called google, honey? I'm sure your internet has a connection to it as well as mine.

Or do YOU have some alternative theory about the standing-pee-bitches? Did Tumblr brainwash them to not conforming to rigid canine gender roles?

>>17794554
Okay. Occam's razor -time.

I am of a slightly above-average intellect, and generally intelligent people agree with me on how the world works and vice versa.

By disagreeing with me, you also disagree with intelligent people, therefore making you stupid.

See how fucking idiotic that is?

Just because the most simple explanation makes the most sense to the most simple mind doesn't mean it's right.

>>17794563
If you went on a car forum and asked how to fix this random particular flaw in your car, and every single time it gets derailed into an argument about how bikes are superior, wouldn't that bother you?

>>17794759
>We still don't fully understand

So, let me get this straight. If we dont "fully understand" something it should be left to the opinions of anyone who cares to have one.

I side with the idea that those who spend more of their life studying or experimenting in a particular field tends to know more than the average person who has never done such a thing. And i mean hey if you dont agree with this then im satisfied. At least we could find a clear clash.

>>17794761
>http://aebrain.blogspot.com/p/transsexual-and-intersex-gender-identity.html

Bookmarked for one day when I am really, really bored. On that note, I am out, see you around.

>>17794763
If you went on a car forum and asked how to fix this random particular flaw in your car, and every single time it gets derailed into an argument about how bikes are superior, wouldn't that bother you?

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>>17794574
>mew mew but it won't be PERFECT

Bitch if you only did things that are absolutely flawless and feel fun and wonderful, instead of what has to be done, would you do anything at all?

>>17794733
Cool. Thanks for wasting my time then.

>>17794574
>they lose their natural organs and the shredded imitations they receive in return are constantly painful. Their "vaginas" don't lubricate, their "dicks" don't function. In case of a "vagina", penetration is painful.

>Hormonal therapy causes a ton of problems. They never truly look their gender, etc.

This is all plainly factually incorrect. Sad you never took even ten minutes to do your own research as opposed to making errant guesses.

>>17794587
I'd sell my immortal soul for real scientific proof of that, if you'd please.

>>17794786
No worries bby
You should post your tits though. That'd be a laugh!
Haha

>>17794644
>u shud b hated bcz ppl hate u

The logic of an elementary school bully.

>>17794648
It's not an ACTIVE suicidal thing, I should correct, and I do not intend to get either of the shitty genital surgery options anyway.

It's about having to choose between a shot at happiness and a 100% guarantee of being unhappy.

A sexually crippled mentally restricted and constantly-in-emotional-pain is roughly as desirable a mate as a transgender man.

You wouldn't date a girl who won't put out at all ever and resents you for having everything she can't. But someone's bound to want to date a short man with a weird eldritch horror for genitalia.

Transitioning isn't going to make me disabled. I'll still be able to work and pay taxes. It doesn't render me incapable of anything I'd be capable of anyway.

>>17794823
Yes, all you have said is absolutely sane/logical/reasonable and absolutely true.

Ignore the responder, they have literally nothing to back up their backwards opinions (even after being asked to provide it).

Take your time, think it out, decide for yourself. But ignore the hateful fucks on this website first and foremost.

>>17794606
For a guy to do that its actually very, very strange

>>17794587
Preach

>>17794847
They're actually the sensible ones who use facts instead of emotions to argue. Trannies are mentally unstable and the few i know personally all come from broken homes or have no genuine care in their life. No family looking after them either from their own actions to severe contact or just out of disappointment. Its a sad situation and i wouldnt recommend anyone to pursue HRT or surgery because regret is always a common factor. Be comfortable in the body you were born with and dont let tumblr make you think its something you need to change, because you cant.

>>17794882
>Trannies are mentally unstable and the few i know personally all come from broken homes

You are full of plainly obvious logical fallacies arent you?

Equally i the only Trannies i know have been from privileged homes and have been entirely happy and satisfied in their transition. See how easy and worthless anecdotal evidence is? ffs please make at least an attempt at an argument w/o blatant logical fallacies...

>>17794882
Well, I'm a tranny from a loving, supporting home where we all take care of one-another.

Also, do you have any other tangible sauce than your feels?

And I think you missed the part about being trans not being optional. Like someone else already said, it's visible in brain scans. In order to make someone stop being trans - or in your words, "be happy with their bodies" - you'd have to wipe out their entire brain.

Allow me to repeat that: wipe. out. their. entire. brain.

As in: A simple lobotomy WOULD NOT BE ENOUGH.

You would literally have to make them stop being the person they inherently are in order to remove that itty bitty bit that you think is icky.

The human brain is an absurdly complex biological machination unlike any other. The human body is a meat puppet.

Tell me again, why do your feels outweight another human being's right to exist?

>>17794767
It's more like going onto a car forum and asking how to convert your car into a bike. Then getting butthurt when everyone tells you it's a retarded idea and a waste of time, and your car will only be a mutilated hunk of metal instead of a bike when you are finished.

The transgenders ive had the displeasure of meeting were all disgusting rude entitled cunts. It's always about them and some like to constantly remind people directly/indirectly that they're transgendered. Holy shit.

You will never be or know what it's like to be a woman, just a freak who cut his dick off.
Ps. Women hate trannies even more than men do.

>>17794545
>How many people with third arms do you know?
How many XY males do you know with a vagina?
>b-buh it's what's in their mind that counts
>you can give them a gash with surgery!!1
Enabling a mental disorder is the worst thing you can do to these people.

>>17795039
>it's visible in brain scans
so are a plethora of mental disorders lol
even placebos can show on patients in scans. you can look it up if you don't believe me.