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Guys who are 20+ years old and are kissless virgins: How do you

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Guys who are 20+ years old and are kissless virgins: How do you deal with that fact? It just makes me really depressed, I can't even watch most TV shows/movies anymore without seeing relationships that remind me of my own failure of a life
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vidya
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Then fix your life, faggot. The whole point of being patient for 18 years was so that you could have the freedom to do whatever you want. That includes the freedom to rebuild a ruined disaster of an adolescence.
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>>16547030
Those have just felt like a chore to me in recent years. As a kid or teenager I played TONS of games but now they just feel like one chore and another until I get finally to the end or quit out of boredom.
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>>16547024
I just deal with it. I go to work, I fap, I vidya, go see movies, hike, play billiards, read books.

My life is fascinatingly normal, just devoid of women. And friends in general.
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Im curious, does kissliss virgins inply actually being a virgin whos never kissed a girl?

Or is it just a term of a beta who maybe is a virgin
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>>16547040
/thread
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I was 'til 24.

Just stop giving a fuck and loosen the fuck up.

The more you obsess over it, the more it warps who you are. Just try to relax and work towards becoming a genuinely better person.

Almost three years later, I'm in my first real relationship and pretty insanely happy. Everything just kind of all synced up because I didn't let myself wallow in a pit of depression and kept trying to improve it.
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>>16547046
It's a virgin who's never even kissed a girl. So basically, even worse than a regular virgin.
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>>16547052
Thats really depressing
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I'm not kissless or anything. I also have two decent girls who want me but I know I could do better. Since I'm more so a virgin by choice it doesn't bother me too much but sometimes I just want to get rid of the label.

21 btw.
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>>16547054
Yeah. I'm 24 and a kissless virgin. Went thru high school and college and nothing. Just out of curiosity are you a guy or girl? I feel like most dudes have at least heard the term
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>>16547052
I've heard of hugless so I guess your not the absolute worse.
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>>16547046
Being a kissed virgin is worse than being a kv. At least kv's are aware of what losers they are and can even relish in it, but once you've been kissed it's like you have to go all the way. You don't have an excuse. You're stuck on the bridge between loser and normie. You're a man without a country.
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>>16547024
28 year old kissless virgin here. After awhile you get used to the pain. I've watched most of my friends get married, some have kids. Both of the women I had crushes on in highschool have gotten married (I was in one of the weddings). The pain has eaten away at the happy cheerful man I used to be. Now I'm a bitter depressed self hating fatty who's addicted to strippers and doesn't deserve a real woman. Yet I have no one to blame but myself and that makes the pain ten times worse.
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>>16547059
Then fuck off normie this thread is inapplicable to you.
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>>16547036
quite literally this family 2bh
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>>16547040
Same for me.

I'm 23...
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>>16547024
21 yr old here.

Acceptance.

I'm a "creep". It's just who I am.

Tried to fix it, change it, be different and realised the futility of it all.

Fighting it is alot more stress and anxiety considering the result is always the same.

Besides, I'm used to lonerdom, I don't think I'd cope well in a relationship. I need my space.
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>being this pathetic

Are you people just failed normies?
Fucking embrace who you are
Literally just be yourself
>hurr bad advice
No i mean it literally
stop trying to do things you dont want to do
you're a god damn adult
learn to be happy by yourself
get hobbies
fuck everybody else
social isolation was the best thing to happen to me
and I will never understand people like you guys who spend every second of their lives regretting everything
Learn to love yourself
and suddenly
being with just yourself isn't bad
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24 year old kissless virgin reporting in.

I just try not to think of it. I transition between different coping mechanisms. For 2 years, it was being a workaholic, but now I've gone in wallowing recluse mode while still trying to work. Sometimes alcohol.

I just pretend I'm a different person when going to work or in public. When topics of girls or sex comes up, I just make shit up so people don't find out the immense loser I actually am.
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>>16547118
>do things you want to do, love yourself
But I want to have hot, primal sex every night? Pussy is my passion. I want plowing hot women to be my hobby
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>>16547040
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>>16547139

then grow up?
come on guys
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>>16547142
I'm not sure if you are advocating rape here or not.
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>>16547024
I stopped caring. I don't obsess over it, like you seem to be doing. Just live your fucking and don't worry so fuking much.
Relationships aren't everything.
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>>16547142
You're telling him to shut down his intense biological urges. Men want women and the vast majority of men feel shitty (and should) if they can't get them. Just because you're a biologically defunct dead end doesn't mean everyone else is.
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>>16547166

i dont understand
have you tried graduating high school
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>>16547175
What's your implication? That understanding the biological foundations that drive human behavior is somehow facile?
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I can't imagine being american and not having prostitutes. Without those, I'd be a hugless everything less virgin as well.

Now i'm just a bit bitter. I wonder if I'd have been spurred to try and be more active in getting women if escorts were illegal
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>>16547142
Lol are you a kissless virgin?
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>>16547183

i dont understand how you can feel bad about it
thats insane
i dunno
im a high school kid
>>16547118
>>16547142

im not asesexual but i dont feel disappointed or bad for not dating
everyone is too shitty to even consider dating anyway
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>>16547186
>I wonder if I'd have been spurred to try and be more active in getting women if escorts were illegal

Like most of us here, you'd more likely than not have been discouraged.
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>>16547191
Then you truly are "defunct." The biological purpose to life is to spread your seed. If you are not accomplishing this goal in some way then you will feel bad. How many threads have you seen on 4chan of sad and angry virgins?

Perhaps you are really different and this doesn't affect you. But don't start spouting this "hav you graduated yet lol" bullshit.
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>>16547205

how am i defunct
i dunno
maybe you should get some self esteem
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>>16547024

Relax.
Happiness for all comes from connecting with people.
Most people are assholes, so take some time to figure out where people you can connect with are.
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>>16547209
Do you have any reading comprehension skills?

"The biological purpose to life is to spread your seed." If you have no interest in this then you are a biological dead end or defunct.

Men's self-esteem is influenced by their ability to attract the opposite sex. You can deny this all you want but for the overwhelming majority this is a truth.
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>>16547226
but i am interested
i'd love to have kids in the future
im just not really sad like you guys
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>>16547244
What are you, like 17 or 18?

As time goes on it has a larger effect on you.
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>>16547244
I'm not sad I can attract the opposite just fine. But kid you need to understand that again for most men a large part of their self-esteem comes from their ability to attract the opposite sex.

So telling them "why be sad I'm not" isn't suffice. There is a strong biological reason as to why they feel bad about being virgins, they want something but cannot get it. I'm sure you could relate to that in some way.

Plus your still in high-school it seems that the "pressure" really starts to grow once men enter their 20's.
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>>16547256
This. I didn't care so much at 18, a little at 20, more at 22, much more at 24, etc. The effect compounds exponentially
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>>16547205
>The biological purpose to life is to spread your seed.
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>>16547024
23 y/o kissless virgin here

I don't particularly care.
I was worried about it years ago when I was 19-20, but just because I had to much free time. The older I get the less I care, probably because I feel less the social pressure than in my teenage years.
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>>16547276
From a biological perspective the sole purpose of life is to carry on your genetics. You would dispute this?
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>>16547263
>>16547265

you realize we live in 2015 right
you dont need a wife if you want kids and want to spread your seed

again, you guys need to grow up

>getting married having kids in your early 20s
again no
what
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>>16547283
Why would you, consciously, wish to carry on your genetics?
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>>16547288
Your reading comprehension ability is bad m8. We are talking about men who want sex from the opposite sex (which happens to be most men) but cannot achieve it. I'm a virgin by choice I could have sex but choose not to so it doesn't really bother me. These guys can't attract women so it bothers them tremendously. How can you not understand this?
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>>16547283
i would say your fixation on it is absolute, tribal africa nigger-tier
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>>16547304

but that's their fault and they should seek self improvement
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>>16547289
Why do people want sex? Why do people get married?
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>>16547310
Why?
It's because they can't accept themselves.
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>>16547309
Yes I agree.
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>>16547316
Your reading comprehension is so fucking bad.
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>>16547314
No it's because of the DNA that's within them. It's why we engage in kin selection. Organisms want their genetic sets to win out this is natural selection it's the very reason a lion kills the cubs of other males it's why you prefer your family over random people in Africa.
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>>16547024
I got debts to clear first. It's no good entering the next life with debts.
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I'm 22 and lost my virginity to the person I was dating when I was 17. It made the breakup much harder on me, and I have not yet recovered. When I lost her, a part of me died as well.

I just hope you can find some solace in knowing that if even you weren't a virgin, there are problems you'd still be dealing with. The grass is always greener on the other side. Anyway, learn to love and value yourself more, it may help bring you closure. Best of luck to all of you.
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>>16547024
prostitutes m8
just do it
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As per usual, wizard threads always seem to ignore the main issue of being a virgin: namely your social life throughout your teens to early 20s either sucked or was non-existent. You have to fail pretty hard at life to not get laid by 23+.

Being a virgin is not the problem, it's the baggage that comes with it.
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>>16547320
How so? His original statement was that virgins (not of choice) should feel just fine. I retorted that men want the opposite sex this is an intrinsic biological part of being a man. Men who are unsuccessful in this pursuit understandably feel inadequate.

He then retorted that they should just "grow up" or essentially discard a inherent biological drive.

My central point is that men want women. If they can't get them they feel inadequate of inferior. This doesn't mean in order to feel good about one's self you must have sex everyday but again a large part of are self-esteem is based around our ability to find a mate.
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>>16547380
I have lots of friends and spent plenty of time being social. Here were my two problems: I'm fat. My self esteem is rock bottom. I don't believe that any girl would fuck me so I've had this self fulfilling prophecy going on my entire life.
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>>16547390
You don't necessarily want to be a hedonistic man that fucks every women you want right? You would perhaps prefer a meaningful relationship?
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>>16547380
Yeah at this point I've realized I'm a pretty big fuckup. The only thing I got going for me is a good job and my own place.
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I feel a little weird posting in this thread because I'm not a kv and I'm 22. But I was a virgin a few months ago and had not kissed a girl in 7 years until I got into a relationship. So mentally I had gotten to the point where I was basically a kv. I thought no one could possibly want me.

I think what is important to realize is that chances are that there's someone willing to have sex with you. But you can't expect them to make the first move. I've had so many opportunities that I just passed up because I didn't realize a girl was interested in me or I convinced myself they could not be even though it was so clear that they were. You really just need to ask out any girl who shows a little interest in you.

That, and focus on yourself personally. Try to make and reach goals every day so that you're not so much concerned about the fact that you're a virgin. Basic things like getting into shape and taking care of yourself can take your mind off the shit life you think you have. And they'll make you lots more attractive as well.

Some dumb bitch will give you a chance, I promise.
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>>16547314
>The reason people want sex is because they can't accept themselves not because of strong biological urges.

Your stupid.
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>>16547024
How can you be so bad to become a "kissless virgin"?

Like I spend a TON of time on the internet and playing vidya practically all my life and generally practice a good amount of anti-social/introvert behavior but I kissed a girl when I was 14 and lost my v card when I was 17. I also have a very limited amount of friends at the moment.

Are you guys just like atrociously unattractive?
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>>16547024
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>>16547429
Yes, very unattractive. You had kiss at 14 and sex at 17, so leave now.
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I actually went to a psychologist today for the first time, and he said it's really weird that I'm 20 and never had a GF. Told me I have anxiety issues. Maybe you guys do too.
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>>16547429
Nah, just average with serious social and mental problems.
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>>16547024
I cry myself to sleep in big piles of money.

No really, I'm going to be a wizard in a year and it's soul crushing. But at the same time I enjoy the rest of my life care free.
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As a Christian, I believe in sex within marriage, and that's it. I don't worry about getting laid, or getting pussy, or anything like that, and it is a tremendous load off my mine, heart, and dick.

There's no drama this way, there's no unfulfilledness, there's no pain. I can focus on my life and future and happiness, which is so much more than getting laid.

23-year-old kissless virgin, by the way. Well, not kissless - before I became a Christian at age 14, I kissed a couple girls in high school. But that's it.
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>>16547487
Well if you're living a comfortable life you can just buy some expensive whore.
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>>16547488 here. Didn't mean to imply that kissing pre-marriage is a sin or something. I just haven't.
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>>16547489
Yeah that's the plan next year.
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>>16547429
>How can you be so bad to become a "kissless virgin"?
Never asked a girl out.
I still not care much about it.
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>>16547037
I'm a 24 year old kv, and this describes how I feel. In the past I just played Vidya on end forever. Now i could care less about it unless im gaming with some friends. My new interest is getting fit and I've began to drop a shit ton of weight in hopes of getting into a relationship eventually. That shit is a confidence booster man. That's how I deal with being a kv now. That and not caring two ducks whether a chick wants to be with me or not. I just ask. If they say no, move the fuck on.

To OP, what's your excuse for being a kv?
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25 going on 26

Maybe my hormones calmed down but I just stopped caring. Either way I've seen many partners fight and annoying kids so it ain't all cruising but at the same time it does seem nice having a partner. As for being a virgin whatever. I've jacked to enough porn to be satisfied with never getting laid. Guess thats the best you make of it when you're ugly af. Least I'm not bitter about it.

Basically just live life as best you can and jack off to porn once in a while. Good enough.
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>>16547024
Realize that relationships in reality will never match up to the perfect relationships you see in fiction, and there's no point in obsessing over them

>>16547460
He'll say whatever you want to hear as long as you keep paying him
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>>16547036
What if high school completely crippled you? How do you recover from all the hurt and memories?
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>>16547401
>You would perhaps prefer a meaningful relationship?
Different person, but easier said than done at times. It doesnt help I don't meet a lot of women in my usual routine, but most just seem to be after casual relations or have a host of unrealistic expectations right now.

I heard it mellows out later on, but that's my life right now.
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VERY SRS QUESTlON HERE

ANSWER HONESTLY

>Are you aII troIIing or is this for reaI?

How did this not happen for you?

TWENTY PLUS YEARS?

lt reaIIy seems impossibIe.

Just how couId this ever reaIIy happen in reaI Iife?
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>>16548731

For me?

Poor so I lived in a shitty place think 4 people in a bedroom

Went to college to try to get a better job but failed my test to get said job and wallowed around doing nothing for 4 years. At college I commuted and didn't make many friends

Now I got a job as a security job still living with parents
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>>16548731
Not trolling at all, friend. I'm fat and disgusting. I don't blame women for finding me repulsive. I deserve the hate. I deserve my virginity. Soon I'll be dead and have deserved that too. Almost 30 and the closest I've gotten to sex is an under the shorts hand job from a stripper.
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>>16548731
I'd like to have friends and have sex, sure. But I'd also like to have a spaceship and telekinetic abilities. None of that feels real at this point. Other people don't feel real. I know they are, obviously, I don't question that. But it's like a different species. Even when I was losing weight and started to accept myself, I couldn't picture other people accepting me.
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>>16548731
people bite this b8

EVERY time
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>>16547024
Honestly man I just don't care. It doesn't occur to me on a daily basis. I've got way more important shit to take care of.
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My taste in people is extremely specific, and when I find someone I like I always screw up somehow. But this is not often because for the most part I'm just asexual and I don't want to kiss or have sex with someone I don't really really like because it's a waste of effort to me that doesn't deliver anything.
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>>16547283
I'd say the bilogocial perspective isn't quite the human one
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>>16547030
>>16547052
>>16547067
>>16547104
These threads are sad as fuck.

What a pathetic bunch of whiners, you all need to just turn off your brain and go outside or something.
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It kills me inside, and I hate/resent women and society for it, because it is at least 75% their fault.

>>16547488
I'm a Christian too, but I think sex outside marriage is ok. What about the thought of never getting a wife? What if you just never find a wife, which is completely possible with how horrible almost all females are today.
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>>16549710
>Just got outside
You're fucking retarded.
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>>16547024
no one is kissless after 20, you probably don't remember kissing someone when you were 10 or so
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>>16549797
Not counting a relative kissing you on your cheek or something, you're stupid if you actually believe this. Even counting relative kisses, there's people who have never been kissed at all in anyway.

There is a lot of guys who get no affection from females whatsoever, and it destroys them psychologically, you fucking normie.
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>>16547024
>How do you deal with that fact? It just makes me really depressed
I don't obsess over my sex life because I have my self-sufficiency and self-development on my mind all the time. In other words, i've got priorities.
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>>16549829
Yep, and then when you're on your death bed, where will your wife and children be?
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>>16549842
Hopefully nowhere because if I have those then I get to die with regret.
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well ive had 2 kisses, 1 in kindergarten the other when I was 17, im a virgin though. ive basically been told my entire life that I look like I have downs so naturally I just kind of accepted the fate. It does kinda bother me yeah, but there is a lot more to life than having some chick like you desu senpai
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>>16547024
>20+ years old and are kissless virgins
That's perfectly normal, and in many places, the majority is like that. 25+ is when people start wondering what's wrong with you.
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This entire thread has made me hate myself even more and pushed me closer and closer to just going to the bunny ranch and hiring a whore there since it's illegal in the US.
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>>16549889
It's apparently very expensive in the bunny ranch, there's other legal brothels in Nevada too though.

I've though the same exact thing, but I've also just thought that I would hire a prostitute off Backpage.

There's a lot of ok looking prostitutes on Backpage, just make sure you get one that has a "No Black Guys" rule, because it means that they're not law enforcement, and they also have standards.
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>>16547024
I exercise and try to eat fairly healthy. hoping to get out of KV at 22.(im 21)

get a fucking iron gym and start doing pullups, push-ups, dips, planks, etc. do some HIIT running and shadow boxing for cardio. spend the money you'd spend on the gym on peanuts and sardines. no excuses nigga.

we're all gonna make it.
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>>16549914
You can look good but it still doesn't mean a girl will fuck you.
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>>16547429
I'm average looking but hyper-aware and insecure about everything. Social anxiety makes you avoid social situations and avoiding those keeps you from developing social skills. So when those situations do happen, you're not prepared for them
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I'm 23, I just don't think about it most of the time. It's whatever.

When it makes me feel upset or angry I just work out and get it all out of my system, then I just keep living.
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>>16548731
Not trolling. Surely you've seen at least a few people that lacked social skills (for whatever reason) to the extent that they couldn't form relationships? That's basically what it is
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It just stopped mattering to me after I turned 19, OP. Stopped fixating on that and started focusing on other things. Teaching myself to cook, atm, and it's great: helps my diet, gives me something to look forwards to/plan about and tastes nice too. Try something like that: focusing on self improvement helps because it means you're more able to cope with being by yourself.

I know that usually at this point, there's something about how "and then you'll start attracting girls anyway". That's bullshit -- I can tell you it doesn't work like that. I'm getting less attention now than when I was a fat, cringy bastard who hung around parties. Happier for it, though.

>>16547040
Pretty much this, OP.
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>>16549901
How expensive is very expensive? I'm pretty scared of STIs and its somewhat reassuring knowing they have to get regularly tested unlike some backpages girl.
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>>16550003
>How expensive is very expensive?

Many of them won't even have sex with you for less than $1000 from what I hear.

>I'm pretty scared of STIs and its somewhat reassuring knowing they have to get regularly tested unlike some backpages girl.

Yeah I understand that. There's a lot of nasty filth on backpage, but it looks like you can find some decent girls. It's just that they often have rules like "no black guys", "no guys under 35", and the also spell like somewhat normal people, not with that ridiculous emoticon crap that nigger hambeasts and their thug pimps use.
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>>16550019
1000 bucks...better start saving. That's the price I have to pay to get rid of this stigma then that's the price I have to pay.

With my luck I'd go the backpages route and end up with a cop. My city is a sex trafficking hub so cops are fucking everywhere
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>>16550038
>With my luck I'd go the backpages route and end up with a cop.

Cops can't/won't put "no black guys" in their ads. If you see that, it's not a cop.
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>>16550049
Oh... What about violent pimps? I don't want to get stabbed or shot while trying to lose my virginity and all
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>>16547024
You honestly want to know OP?
I worship satan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peS7xRqcHuQ
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>>16548711

You sack up and deal with it. Everyone has a fucking story. No one can or will help you but yourself.
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>>16550122
Some people have much worse stories than others.
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>>16550122
The story of being subhuman forever.
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>>16550143
If you've let highschool define the rest of your life you've lost perspective. Or live in japan.
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>>16547024
I just bite my lip and keep on going. Pretty sure all my friends know but I haven't gotten any shit about it yet. Had this thirsty as fuck girl on me once. Like easiest lay to even the biggest aspie. She was so much overweight I didn't or could not do it. She gave me head tho, wasn't great. Well that was more than 4years ago and fucking nothing since. Should have fucking done it then. God damn.. I'm 26now.
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I'm a certified autist, and I have already accepted that I will never have any meaningful relationships with "normal" people, if any at all. I tried like until I was 20, but the only thing that came of it was shame and hurt. I am just too different and can't comprehend their behavior most of the time. Watching anime actually helped a bit with that, but I'm still nowhere near normal.
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>>16550237
You are? What defines this in your situation? Everyone says they are but what proved it to you when you checked it out?

What makes it so bad daiIy? ReaIIy asking because


>have no idea how it is

Super sociaI personaIIy and couIdn't imagine not being so.
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>>16550289
I was diagnosed with asperger's syndrome. I have basically no body language and can't interpret other peoples gestures and intonation unless I pay careful attention to them. I also don't pick up on sarcasm, I have trouble maintaining eye contact and I always feel the need to make weird body movements, especially when I'm stressed. I also speak very slowly (that could be from my depression though).
Basically, I have a hard time with understanding other peoples intentions and all the little nuances in social encounters. I got made fun of and bullied frequently in the past, so for all those reasons I try to keep social interactions to a minimum. I have no problem with people that know me very well, though. Like for a decade.
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>>16550316
Wow a decade? That's a Iong time to know someone to have comfort with them.

Have you tried practicing speaking with random peopIe in pubIic? ls this something that can be improved? Or is it chemicaI? Read that for some peopIe that have naturaIIy high anxiety and it can be fixed by boosting confidence but for some peopIe it's just chemicaI imbaIance with no fix.

>Gestures and intonation

Have you ever had someone sit with you and asked them "can you show me some emotionaI gestures that are common in sociaI situations?"

that way you'd be more famiIiar with them? How is it more difficuIt for someone in your position?

This seems odd from the outside Iooking in (being very sociaI and gesture based, with a very out going and sarcastic bunch of friends who go out a coupIe of times a week in the city) but then again it seems so difficuIt to struggIe with. What other options do you have to better your situation without med assistance? Have you tried forcing yourseIf out of your comfort zone or something simiIar? What effect does this have on you?

>ReaIIy interested in this and offering any sociaI advice if you want

HonestIy never had a nervous moment, even asking women out.

The Iast time was probabIy waiting to see if l quaIified for the promotion at work l appIied for Iast year and that was onIy sIight nerves because they asked me to be there at 9am and l arrived at 8:45am and they said l was "trying too hard"? Got the job but it was weird of them to not Iike my not being Iate and confusing.
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>>16550156
I am what i am.
My genes define me.
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>>16550348
>HonestIy never had a nervous moment, even asking women out.

Interesting.

Not that guy, but once in college i actually ran away from a presentation because i coudn't handle the pressure.
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24 y/o kissless virgin here

The only consolation I have that I'm relatively attractive, and could, in theory, score at some point.

Of course, if I ever manage to get there, I will have to deal with the girl being disgusted with me when she finds out I'm a virgin(I know I have no chance of hiding it - shit will be obvious).

Knowing that I will die one day kind of helps me through it.
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>>16550348
>>16550363

>OP of that post

Presentations were my favorite, my man.

l got to be ridicuIous and reaIIy express myseIf because l got recurring professors who knew me and l had extracurricuIars they knew me from as weII.

l've aIways been reaIIy sociaI so any opportunity Iike that aIIowed me to dispIay my best.

What pressure did you face? How far in did you get? A girI actuaIIy got 2 sIides in, pronounced a word wrong and ran out in tears even though no one Iaughed at her. She had to give it soIo on her day off but the professor was cooI with it (he said it happens aII the time, and it reaIIy does).
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>>16550348
It can be improved by getting lots of exposure yes, and during HS I was pretty social, went to parties and drank quite a bit (where I live you can drink with 16) so it wasn't all that bad, but after graduating I didn't do any of this anymore and it got worse again. But even with practice it will always be exhausting because I have to manually pay attention to how I say things, how I move, control my expressions and also interpret all the things that the other persons do consciously. The worst part is misinterpreting something and getting hurt or making someone angry. Some of my fellow aspies don't give a damn about that but I do care very much, probably more than other people.
So yeah, practice helps but it is a constant battle and all the resulting secondary disorders like depression and social anxiety make it difficult, but I am in treatment.
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>>16550378
>How far in did you get?

I didn't start actually.

It was a persentaion that noone really cared about, but we had to do it.

I had been told we didn't need to prepare for it, but then i realized everyone else had prepared slides and shit, so freaked out and just walked away from it.

I really hate presenations.
I had to do one for my master thesis half a year ago, and they started chritizing my figures and shit. It was a kinda near death experience.
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To be honest, all you have to do is change locations. It helps so much.
If you're still in the same city, maybe even state, that you were in high school, you're...not doing this right. Try to travel. Go somewhere new. And pump yourself up that when you go, you're going to be the coolest person you know and get involved in everything, be all these things you never were in high school, etc., then put in the effort to do it. That's what you have to do. Start the clean slate in a new location and then go for it.
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>>16550378
This. Presentations are great and I love giving them, even in college. I love it because everyone else always, without fail, goes up and presents with a calm demeanor or doesn't talk loud enough or doesn't know enough, but when I go up I'm loud, interesting to watch, and try to make things fun just cause I love the attention.
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>>16550399
Oh, i'd be alone just like i am here.
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I keep forgetting the fact that im not virgin, even though i only had sex once, and it was kinda half assed and shitty in general.

It hasn't changed me as a person really, im still a social retard.

This girl (who i met on the internet btw) realized what i was afterwards, or.. during the act, and that was the end of our relationship.
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>>16550408
Bullshit you haven't got a clue what you're talking about. You change locations and then you force yourself to go out and be the obnoxious cocky guy in the room and then suddenly you know what happens? You realize that you can take this new mindset, which is only making people want to talk to you, and apply it to all aspects of your life, including business, making friends, academics, etc., and suddenly life starts looking a whole lot better and this process repeats itself, and then so long as you're in that new location, you have a personality that you own and that people like and nobody has a clue what you're life was ever like before that. This shit works if you put the time and effort in. Try harder dammit.
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>>16550419
I really hate those kind of people.
I mean genuinly.
There are many nice guys out there, with nice girlfriends who i really enjoy spending time with.

But the kind of guys who always have to be biggest, greatest and best all the time, i kinda get the feeling that they are truly evil.

Dunno why.
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I was a 20 year old virgin. I lost my v card a few days before my 21st birthday, which was a month ago. We had sex several times afterwards and she then asked me if I had lost my virginity to her. she didn't seem to mind, if anything I think she was relieved to know that the rumors of her being "just another one" for anon weren't true
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>>16550435
No I understand what you mean. I don't walk around being a douchebag or anything any more. But there are a lot of people here that never leave their hometown and wonder why life is never looking up for them. If they do what I said, even a little, and embrace that mindset you hate and run with it, I think they'd be genuinely be a lot happier. From there, they can decide to be a nice person, settle down into a nice relationship with a nice girl, whatever they want. It's more about taking control of their lives so they don't feel like such a victim in social situations. I'm saying there's a way out if they just try it.
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>>16550438
Lost mine at 26, now im 28 and back on the same track as i was before.

It doesn't get better it seems.
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>>16547036
okey jeb.
And how do I fix it?
if its that simple
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>>16550455
By doing this: >>16550399
>>16550419
>>16550447

If you haven't tried it yet, stop whining.
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>>16550447
Literally had to move from country to country and school to school because of my dads occupation and I can tell that you are just projecting your own personal experience.
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Why is being kissless virgin so important? I mean is it regardless of the circumstances you've kissed and had sex? What if you are a rapist or just took advantage of someone who was drunk?
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>>16549797
Some dudes are simply repulsive in terms of both their looks and personality. Honestly though, it's entirely their own fault because even as ugly as I am I've still managed to have relationships with women. Shit, I've met a guy who was badly burned as a toddler (like 90% of his body) and even he's got a wife.

All of you virgins need to stop acting like the world owes you shit. You actually have to take control of your life and make shit happen. If you're ugly, then make yourself less ugly. If you have a shit personality then fix it and become someone people actually want to be around. Fuck.
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Is it bad if I don't see this as a problem?
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>>16550498
Yes, as >>16550504 pointed out you have to fix yourself.
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I did a lot of stuff to fix myself up, dropped 100lbs and all... but honestly I can't see how ANY woman wouldn't turn dump me when they find out I'm 31 year old virgin.
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>>16547024
Turned 21 a month ago, haven't held a girls hand. I was and still am very mentally ill, and from a young age, I inplanted a thought in my head that dating or otherwise having any sort of relations with a severely mentaly ill man is out of the question. I used to be sad but accepting it just makes it easier. Id rather see my friends in relaitonships than myself and it makes me happy even though some people might find it weird.
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I'm a girl and I lost my virginity when I was 21. I'm 23 now and still haven't had a relationship. It's a huge chip on my shoulder that hasn't gone away from having sex.
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>>16550582
you lie about that by now, Im gonna lie myself if asked or at least be mysterious as fuck about it
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>>16547024
the kissless thing is a meme, Its always a scale, who never had anything envies who hugged a girl, who hugged a girl sais it doesnt matter at all unless you kiss, who kissed envies who fucked, do you really believe you will be satisfied as a human being then? Who is one step back will say everyone a step forward is a normie, those said normies say what they did isnt a big deal and the real normies are the people one step in front of them, its endless, you are just feeling sorry for yourselves equally.
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>>16550667
so true
Your life experience is unique and that's what matters.
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>>16547380
In addition to that, some anons seem to think that just having sex with a hooker will make them a whole person, instead of recognising that bypassing the socialising bit hasn't helped them.

Also being boring is a far worse sin than being ugly.
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>>16550858

That's why I will never do it, it doesn't help you at all when it comes to the social aspect of developing relationships.

The only reason I sometimes thought about it is because im terrified that a girl will dump me JUST because im still a virgin at this age.
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Does it count if I kissed a girl when we were both like 5 or 6?
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21 here. I've had girls (good looking ones too) who were into me over the years but my social anxiety held me back. If you've never had social anxiety, you simply wouldn't understand. The good news is that I've made a lot of progress the last couple years and think I'm finally ready to go for it. I'll probably join Tinder or something, lower my standards if I have to. I'm dying to get the monkey off my back at this point.
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>>16547024
Yknow what I think? I think the truly disturbing part about the whole situation behind not having any experience with a partner in a relationship is when you finally get into a relationship you realize how dull they really are. You will never meet someone "perfect". You only settle.
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27 here... the comments about go outside etc... don't apply to me. My life is beyond normie in all respects apart from when it comes to women. I've long ago stopped caring about that sort of thing and I just concentrate on my interests.
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>>16550447
True that. There's always a way out. If everybody you know thinks you're a a complete loser and piece of shit, just move to a new city and start over. This is the 21st century, its not difficult to do at all.
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>>16547066
well , your instincts reaction doesn't said that
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>>16550399
OP here, I've moved three times in the past year in part because of this train. Hasn't helped me one bit. In fact had likely made things worse
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Deal with what? Being a virgin?

Why do all of you kids have hang-ups over the most stupid shit jesus christ I hate this board
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>>16551269
Lol how is a hang up about being a virgin something stupid?
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>>16550931
i know they're dull before getting into a relationship
so i havent had any
so i never had sex
all I want is sex
ever
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>>16550882
>The only reason I sometimes thought about it is because im terrified that a girl will dump me JUST because im still a virgin at this age.

I don't think most people want to guide a 26 yo dude through the 101s of sex.

>>16550931
>You will never meet someone "perfect".
Don't mind if I don't.
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>>16550447
doesn't help when you are nevrotic
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>>16552460
>Doesn't want to guide a 26 year old through sex
So let me get this straight: women don't want to help late twenties virgins get better at sex by having sex with them but also think it's disgusting if these same men seek out whores to practice on. What exactly do you propose they do then?
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>>16552460
Problem is, noone ever wanted to in the past when he was younger either.
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>>16550498
There are more guys than girls where i live. In fact my contry is aproaching the sex ratio of china.

In certain age groups, one guy out of 6 won't be able to find a wife.
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>>16552639
I don't know man, but I understand the sentiment.

See I'd like to find someone who is similarly inexperienced but being (relatively) shallow, the options are limited to fatasses on mobility scooters. My standards are low but...

>think it's disgusting if these same men seek out whores to practice on.

It's pointless to do this unless you just want sex. Also come on man, would you think highly of someone who had to pay for sex for their first time(s)?
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>>16552796
But they can't get sex because women don't want to fuck them since they're virgins! That leaves no chance of redemption unless they can pay their way into having sex. I suppose they could just lie about being virgins and admit they aren't very good at sex
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You guys shouldn't let it bother you if you're virgins.

It doesnt mean anything. You can make the transition from kissless awkward socially inept dweeb to cool social guy any time, you just have to put the effort in and work on yourself.

You dont have to run around telling every girl you meet "WARNING, IM ACTUALLY A VIRGIN", you just play it cool and keep it to yourself.

My first relationships and sexual experiences were with people that all thought I was more experienced than I actually was. I didnt lie, I just didnt correct them and let them believe what they wanted to.

Confidence can carry you through anything

Being a kissless virgin isnt a negative.

Not being confident BECAUSE you're a kissless virgin is the negative.
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If you are kissless after 20 it's 100% your fault and you should rethink your life. You don't even need to try to kiss a girl nowadays.

Virginity is another thing, it depends on a fuckton of factors, plus luck, plans and blablabla. Kissing? You just say some stupid shit and there you go you're kissing her
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>>16553206
>confidence

...is all well and good but you know...kinda useless when you don't really have much to say.
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>>16552460

>I don't think most people want to guide a 26 yo dude through the 101s of sex.

And that's why I gave up. I could turn myself into the best person I can be, but being a virgin will always overshadow it and the woman will leave me for that.
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If you only kissed a girl who was drunk does it count? I mean I don't get the idea behind the kissless virgin tag. Is it kissless in the sense of no romantic relationship? What's the big deal about kissing?
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>>16553709
It's just to underscore how much of a fuckup you are. Not only are you s virgin, but by being kissless it shows you've never even come close
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>>16553731
Not the guy you're talking to but I'm a 28 year old kissless virgin. I make 70k a year, have a college degree, plenty of friends, and own a home and car. How am I a fuck up again?
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Is being kissless virgin only a problem if it bothers you or is it a social norm you have to fit or die? Because I'm pretty much asexual but honestly all these threads about virginity are making me a bit worried now that I worry I may be a bad person or something.
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>>16553750
Only if it bothers you. One of the bigger things you learn after living in a real world is that everybody around you does things at their own pace. Virginity threads only exist to troll teenagers and insecure young adults.
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>>16553783
>in a real world
THE real world. Fuck english.
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>>16547390
I was fat in HS. I feel like that crippled my chances at dating. College I am too busy, and spend no time around women.

I'm happy with who I am and would not change anything. If I wanted to get pussy I could go get some, but that is not what I'm interested in. I want a girl that I can connect with.
I went out with a girl for a very short time and learned that the idea of "I find this girl sexually attractive, and she feels the same" was not the best grounds for a relationship.
Some guys at my uni don't understand this situation. I have gone through life with no female friends whatsoever, besides coworkers and stuff. I have never had a true female friend.Honestly though I don't give a shit. It'll all work itself out.
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>>16553750
>asexual

You know that's tumblrina shit right? The lack of a sex drive is not normal.
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>>16553738
because you can't get pussy. all those other things (i have a lot of typical "life" achievements as well) don't balance out your lack of a love life
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>>16553738
What's the point of lying on 4chan of all places?

In the event you're not lying, it just makes you appear worse since you're on a site that collects losers and scum despite you having (apparently) a good job and social life.

>plenty of friends

I'm gathering they're more like acquaintances than actual friends, I mean, has no one asked you about your love life or lack thereof? Haven't you ever become real close to a female friend that it turned into something more? Haven't you had nights out with your mates that ended in fuzzy memories and one night stands?
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>>16553738
>plenty of friends
>never had sex

Pick one
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>>16553957
>>16553968
>>16553972
Holy shit is it so hard to believe that a virgin has friends and a normal life?
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>>16547024
Video games and porn, it really helps to avoid people with active sex lives. A big cause of depression is being in an environment where it feels like everyone is happier or more successful than you.

Even if they're neither you're going to subconsciously think they are because we've been programmed to think sex = success and happiness.
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>>16549710
Go outside and do what?

I'm outside every fucking day, working, going to school, exercising, going on walks and talking to friends and co-workers.
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>>16554003
Yes.
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>>16554041
Why
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>>16554003
Very hard to believe that your co-workers and friends don't talk about their significant others on occasion, that they don't have conversations that accidentally veer into topics about sex, that they've never asked you why you've been single for so long, that no female had taken an interest in you beyond friendship,...

Very hard to believe unless you have no dick or are ultra religious.
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>>16554063
Is your point just
>You need to do things that your friends do, talk about and ask you about
or did you mean something actually intelligent?
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>>16547024
I read lots of books and impress people with all the shit I know. Accumulating knowledge in the first place will make you feel like less of a waste of space anyway.
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>>16554079
It's more to show you that your definition of a friend is probably very loose.
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>>16551252

I'm just resigned to getting a whore. And don't give me that shit about getting out more... I've lived in foreign country and met all sorts of people, I just find it hard to connect with strangers....
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>>16554202
K, but it won't resolve the underlying issue of no friends or gf.
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>>16547148
I'm not sure if you are sound more fedorafag or tumblrette.
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>>16554063
Sure they do and I talk to them about it. They know I don't have a girlfriend and its usually "Anon! You need to find girl, dude!" and then we laugh, I agree, and we move on. You see, people in the real world are capable of forming friendships even if that friend hasn't put his dick in a vagina. I'd say 90% of the people I know think that I'm a normal guy who just doesn't have a girlfriend because most people don't ask.
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>>16547024
25yr old
Kissless
I've had sex with a handfull of escorts.

Sometimes forget that I'm not a virgin anymore.
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>>16547429
how the hell did that happen?
did the girls throw themself at you?
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I just someone good to share it with. I've been hit on by women, I'm 24, they're mostly students. I can't really talk to them. They end up kind of blushing, and looking away.
I'm average looking, or I might be a bit better.
My female cousins tell me I look handsome, and other people assume I'm a playa.
I went to a wedding last year, I never go anywhere, and my aunties kept commenting how handsome I was.

It just makes me feel uncomfortable, so I go off by myself. There was this one girl like myself, I kind of liked/respected her, but I didn't want to anything in school.
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>>16554404
OK maybe I've framed the question incorrectly, but I'm not going bother to continue, you are a socially successful 28 yo virgin who everybody wants to be around. Happy now?
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Autist-kun here again. I think I'm addicted to porn and hentai games. I have a project for uni that is due next week and instead of working I spend my time looking at porn and hentai etc.

I probably need help, I can't stop. Can't talk to my therapist about it too, since she's a woman. What do?
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