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Why are more and more men seemingly afraid to approach women

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Why are more and more men seemingly afraid to approach women now?

It seems that as the years go by, less guys are making the first move. And almost come off like they're devolving into misogyny and bitterness now.
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>>16542316
Because of the wave of "feminism" that criminilises men for being bold and brash, classifi=ying it as assault or even "rape"
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>>16542316

multiple reasons. part of it is women. not all of it, but women in general play a role.

it used to not be a big deal to ask women out, they'd kindly reject. but now a lot of women are more ballsy. if a guy asks them out they have no problem making fun of him or shooting him down hard, putting him in his place, for whatever reason.

another reason is men. being rejected by women means other men can make fun of you. especially considering we tend to ask people out who are in our social circles, classes, etc. and women like to talk. men find out. men tease you for liking someone then being shot down.

the dating culture in general has made it difficult. women hold much of the power, so its pretty much up to the woman. she gets approached by a lot of guys, many of whom are all about the same level of attractiveness, success, personality etc.

so she often rejects guys that have absolutely nothing wrong with them. not for bad reason, but because when you have access to piles of men that are all relatively the same, how is one supposed to stand out to you?

women will turn down a man cuz they feel no spark with them, which is totally normal, fine and okay, but it makes men feel like they are inferior.

its ironic cuz a lot of men, especially here, act like its some weird cosmic numbers game and that not asking girls out is the loop hole.
>if i dont LET them turn me down, then its not a rejection

its like if they get too many rejections it means they are a bad person.

i prefer the bold approach. its all about finding a match, not winning or losing.
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This thread's going to boil down to one answer: it's all women's fault.
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Because women are cruel and heartless creatures. They truly have no souls.

It sounds ridiculous, but you will learn this too, anon.
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>>16542360

except for here:
>>16542351

where its women, men, and general dating culture.
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>>16542345
As if you'd be making the first move if that wasn't the case, bro. Come on, it would be a pretty good rationalization if it were true, but you wouldn't approach a girl in any case, regardless of Feminism

Otherwise it would be easy for you to spot single girls who've been in relationships before without crying rape and going after them.

Admit it, you're just a bitch.
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>>16542316
Because the Internet has caused everyone to be massive pussies with inflated egos that don't translate into face-to-face interactions.

It wasn't like this when I was in high school/college. We didn't have social media. We had the Internet, but it was dial up and online dating didn't exist. You could search for homework answers on Netscape once every 20 minutes because of dial up.

Guess what? When all you have at your disposal is going up to someone and talking to them, that's all anyone does. And it worked just fine.

Now I watch my little sister and brother do nothing but swipe Tindr all day and flirt with people online. They have never once gone the "traditional" route. It's not men or women who are the problem. It's everyone's problem. They're scared little pussies who think they deserve the world and want to shop for it online like they do everything else. No one knows how to approach people in real life because they're used to the comfort of not being put on the spot. The comfort of typing up the "right" words at their own pace, in hopes it will entice someone.

You can thank the Internet for what your dating pool is like.
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>>16542316
If girls wants something with me, i think they can start with making conversation, then i can do the asking out.

But im not going to be that guy at for example the gym, who tries to talk to some girl on a thread mill way above his level, and looks like a fool when she treats him like air.
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>>16542360
Of course. You'd never expect men on 4chan to take responsibility for their lives, would you?

Most of us are the very worst of the male stock in the western world
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>>16542406
Worst, and among the top 20% best educated, and of coruse, the top 20% richest in the world, among men.

That's why whe suck so much.
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>>16542391
Ok well enjoy staying single, it's gonna be a while.
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>>16542413
Oh please, anon, do share with us your research about how men of 4chan are the richest and most educated in the world.
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>>16542389

thats some insight i didnt have before, but i imagine its true. not just the dating aspect, but the fact that women are validated 24/7 being told how beautiful they are every 20 minutes. they already get so much attention in that sense that finding a boyfriend to dote on them wouldn't be worth it unless they are exceptional.

not that i blame women for that happening, but very interesting point of view. the comfort of online dating is also an issue. everyones just looking for a partner and they can shop for it now.

unfortunate.
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>>16542413
>a bunch of autistic NEETs in their late teens and early 20s are among the top 20% of men in terms of education and wealth
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>>16542416
Because only 2% of the population in the US are "poor".

http://www.pewglobal.org/interactives/global-population-by-income/
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it's been a long time coming.

It used to be that guys socialized more and met up with females while surrounded by other males. It wasn't a "hunting" session, just people meeting up.

Now guys sit in front of the computer with very little social interaction, never mind social interaction with females. They have no idea how to start of carry a conversation and the spaghetti spillage is massive if they have to.
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>>16542417
That isn't what this thread is about. This is about why men won't approach women, not whether women are more willing to enter relationships or not. Another good subject, but for a different thread.

Now answer the main question.
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Caring about making a good impression but having absolutely no idea what those women will consider a pleasant interaction. Lack of empathy is growing on a frightening scale. People want to get along but that requires Person A being able to relate to Person B. That connection is evaporating.
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>>16542431

>its about why men are afraid to approach women
>not about whether women are more willing to enter relationships or not

the subjects are not only closely related, they are literally the same thing if you read the thread.

why would men want to approach women if they are scared of being shot down? why are women shooting down men so much? because they are getting all the attention they need and it helps to inflate their egos.

if you look back at my actual post where i did answer the question but you didnt bother to respond, you'll find this reasoning ties into what i originally said.

>>16542351
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>>16542316
Its the salesman's curse. When you ask a girl out you are trying to get her to buy into you. So, when she rejects you, she is essentially saying that you aren't good enough. It hurts at a personal level that, after awhile, you either callous up to or succumb to it and become bitter and jaded.
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The word "creep" became popular.
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As a coward myself, I've devalued women and myself to the point where it seems impossible to enter a relationship. I've pedestalled sex and love. I'm afraid of those things and there's no good reason to be. So I seek easy outlets for frustration that don't fulfill the need.

Why I've not killed myself yet I don't know.
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>>16542316
I used ti do it tons at middle school.
Then highschool happened and I just stopped giving a fuck. Women have tons of options to choose from, tons of guys willing to get on their knees and beg just to fuck her. I feel like I'm just a number if I do that, so I'd rather make the girl come to me and ask me out instead because 1, I know she's interested in me, and 2 I don't need to ask her out ang go through the tons if rejections I did back in middle school.
And if a girl never comes along that I like I'm alright with being alone, I just don't like begging for a "chance" to get a girls number and go out with her.
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>>16542457
Which has essentially became as much a slur against men as "nigger" is to black people. Or "cunt" is to women.
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>>16542470
Men are so sensitive
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>>16542316
ITT: an incredible number of men who recognize and admit they are too cowardly and/or afraid of rejection to approach women.

Absolutely astounding. I don't know how you're not ashamed of yourselves.
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>>16542316
>Why are more and more men seemingly afraid to approach women now?
>seemingly

Some men have no problem flirting, some are terminal loners. This isn't a new thing.

If by "as the years go by" you mean your own years, it's just that as you get older single men and women grow rarer, have less time to spend taking a shot at a relationship, and, of course, some of the ones left are social retards who lose even more confidence and get stuck with their lonely routine. Also an aging person attracts less flirting in the first place.

>misogyny and bitterness
Misogyny isn't anything new either, it's honestly pretty unsettling how unashamedly widespread it used to be not so long ago. And there will always be bitter fucks of both genders angered by their past failures.

Of course, if you spend time on 4chan you'll see more bitter misogynists than the average person.

>>16542470
Boo fucking hoo.
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>>16542485

I for one am ashamed. I wanted to think that virginity has any value. Now, I think of it as a mark of failure because of my age. Without sex and love, there's a certain lack of balance. A feeling as if I am not a person, but a void where something should occupy that space.
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>>16542316
Because we always have to do everything

A good job
Good looks
Good attitude
No emotions because that's what girls do
Big dick
Tall
Not waste life doing "no life" shit like Videogames and other non normie stuff

Fuck all that women should be doing something , all they have to do is look good and pretend to have the same interests as you. I gave up at that point.
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For a guy, hanging out with guys is a good, easy time.
A guy doesn't have to prove himself to other dudes. I can drop by the darts at a bar and ask the guys playing "anyone wants to play me after".
Whatever happens, refusal - acceptance - banter -no banter - I can implicitly trust them not to humiliate me or ask me my darts credentials.
In other words Ill be trusted from the get go. I dont have anything to prove.

Now I ask a group of chicks to play pool or whatever. After I ask them, right off the bat there's going to be this split second where they all turn around to each other with that "girls this is it" look. Whatever I do I am not trusted and have to furnish whatever social reason to calm the social anxiety of the specific girls in that group. In case of rejection which honestly I can handle, I always expect it to sting, because girls, to generalize bluntly feel like they have to defend for some reason.
There this constant 'prove me that you are not a piece of shit" general, unspoken attitude that is VERY tiring.Jumping through hoops to get to socialize fucking turns off loads of men to having a good time.
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>>16542500
m8 it's valuable if you're young. valuable to a lot of people. especially religious people. but when you get to be 25+, if you're not married, you're odd to those same people. Because people who value virginity are the kind to get married young, start their families, etc. traditionalists. if you're over 25 and still hanging on to it, you fucked up in a huge way between 18-25. the virtue in it is fading and now being rolled into the ball of failure that is your singledom as you approach late 20s. give it up already. just fuck some people and move on.
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>>16542484
I don't know about that, but I'm sure as fuck is afraid of the word "creeper," and the stigma that surrounds it. Enough so that after two years of thinking hard about it, I bought a gun with the intent of using it on myself in the event some girl accuses me. The stigma, your friends and family potentially abandoning you, the risk of the creeper reputation not only costing you your job, but making it impossible to find another one. It's just that once the accusation comes down on you, even if false, it's all over for you; everything is out the window. So it's best to get it over with and do yourself in; you probably won't have an option otherwise.

The funny part? I'm gay, but still immensely terrified of that word. I've seen too many of my friends having their lives ruined over it; before they could even finish college. And I've seen too many female friends getting shat on for using it, even in situations that justified such accusations. It's basically the new N-word nowadays. It's an awful, awful word. So it might best to put a bullet in your temple if you need to. You probably won't have a choice otherwise.
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>>16542316

A bunch of spergs got together on the internet and decided to opt out of manhood and a generation of boys grew up learning how to be a man from beta sperg blogs and message boards.

Yes, it sucks. Yes, this is the way it is going to be from now on.
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>>16542316

we get discouraged more than ever
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>>16542316
Because you don't filter circlejerk virgin
>OMG FRIENDZONED
threads
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>>16542485
>wahh wahh YOU have to do all the work and approach

Fuck off cunt, they wanted equality and they got it.
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>>16542537
>getting this mad at internet strangers all because your testicles are severed

it's for the best. weak men shouldn't ever reproduce anyway.
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>>16542520
>rawr, look at me, I'm A REAL MAN
>you're not to blame for anything m'lady, now please reward this valiant whiteknight with sex ;)

LMAO, fucking kill yourself you compensating loser.
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>>16542510

So just screw a some people and ignore the whole marriage and kids deal. Makes sense to me. Now if I can just do some screwing.
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>>16542421
At least 80% of humanity lives on less than $10 a day.
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>>16542593
>all those poor people in the world living in sticks
>still get more sex and relationship fulfillment than the men on /adv/

my sides
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>>16542605

We need more on this side of the nuthouse than a stickhouse with a little grub it seems.
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>>16542544

>wahhhh someone on the internet disagrees with me
>b-better call him a whiteknight amirite guys?
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>>16542653
Keep crying beta C U C K.
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>>16542316
Dating culture is so fucking obnoxious. There's so much pressure on everyone. I feel with you guys.
From my experience, rarely any normal guys approach women in social situations. It's either ovreconfident "Chad" assholes approaching or normal men not approaching at all because of all the fucking pressure.
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>>16542664

>being this upset on the internet
lmao
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>>16542485
Just having a conversation and carrying it on is hard. I haven't even gotten to the rejection part.
>Implying I'm not ashamed of myself
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>>16542316
>Why are more and more men seemingly afraid to approach women now?

Do the faggots on 4chan live in the real world or just through clickbait internet articles?

It's the same as it ever was.
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>>16542665
+1
And It is always funny for me, when women tells you about that romantic spark towards handsome assholes. It's true love for sure. Average looking guy knows his chances, not even worth that extra stress and she knows, she always could do better (guys are not that picky).
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>>16542763

>how to get a giant dick in six weeks

Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?
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>>16542763
Fuck off retard.
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>>16542441
You didn't even consider that beforehand. Now that you've heard it you say, "oh yeah, and that too!" But you didn't even think about that before.

>thats some insight i didnt have before, but i imagine its true

So what was it before you had all these grand strawmen set up? What was it, back when you were in HS or even earlier, that caused you to never once challenge yourself, never once expose yourself socially or walk through some fear, even to the level of emotional degradation you live at now?

It's sad to see you all the way you are, but somehow the alternative still seems worse to you.
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>>16542503
Your opinion is noted by society and laughably discarded.
>i think this
>i think that
>they need to do it

Meantime i suggest dealing with life on its terms instead of yours if you want to ever be more than you are
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>>16542316
I approach women.
Not every women I meet, usually one I've seen around a few time and only when in a social setting.
>hey it's you from there.

None find it too strange, if they make an excuse I drop it, if they smile and seem please to meet me I carry on.

Or when I was younger I would chat to fellow students.

It's a shit brick moment but you'll find most people are welcome to speaking to a friendly face
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Dude everyone knows the best way to not failing is never trying
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>>16542848

This is why we are dying. We aren't failing towards success.
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>>16542316
>Why are more and more men seemingly afraid to approach women now?
The answer is that more and more men are generally more afraid of taking any risks. With comfy homes, video games and porn it's easier to just stay home and be alone. But it's also debatable is what OP says is even true, plenty of men approach women constantly with a frequency that would be considered socially unacceptable in the past. It might seem like men are approaching women significantly less than before, but it's easy to think this when we have internet now. 50 years ago loners would stay at home and you'd never hear about them. Today, millions of loners all across the world go online and whine 24/7 about it.

A lot of people ITT are complaining about being called creeps and women having ridiculous standards, but I think they're being completely silly. I'm nothing special as far as looks go yet I was never rejected by a woman in an unpleasant or hostile way. No one ever called me a creep. These are probably just excuses people make to convince themselves that it's pointless to even try finding someone.
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>>16542796
Fuck you.

This guy explains it better >>16542957
>50 years ago loners would stay at home and you'd never hear about them. Today, millions of loners all across the world go online and whine 24/7 about it.
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Why do guys have to be the ones to approach girls? That's sexist.
Besides, once virtual reality has reached a certain point in the near future no man will need to chase after girls.
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>>16542484
>>16542470
>>16542494

If you're a black man and you're called a nigger, all the stigma is on the one who proclaimed it.

If you're a women and a man calls you a cunt, the stigma is shared at best. Furthermore, cunt doesn't really "mean" anything. It's like calling someone a dick or an asshole; it implies they're not nice, but so what?

If you're a man and a women calls you a creeper, you're really fucked. No matter the context, the man will take a reputation hit, always. It's the 3rd scariest fucking thing to call a dude, behind "rapist" and "pedophile".

Truth.
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>>16542957
>The answer is that more and more men are generally more afraid of taking any risks
source?
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>>16542351
I agree with this for the most part but I really want to stress

>now a lot of women are more ballsy. if a guy asks them out they have no problem making fun of him or shooting him down hard, putting him in his place, for whatever reason.

I've seen a disturbing number of women act dickish in college towards a guy that wasnt rude, and was at worst just a bit socially awkward. That's not going to make a guy enthusiastic about leaving his comfort zone.
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>>16543053
Yeah. Especially when it's quasi in public, she's semi attractive/popular and so she gets to revel in the put down and just fuck him up to make her feel a bit better.

My cheeks just got really red and I made an awkward excuse to get out asap. Went back to my dorm and laid in bed for a bit.
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Personally just stopped giving a shit, previous relationships weren't worth the effort I had to put into them anyways.

Better to wait till 35 and then get a low twenties woman for a wife from religious community.
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>>16542316
>Why are more and more men seemingly afraid to approach women now?
source?
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>>16543068
I mentioned it in a previous thread, but there was this girl I was interested in a bit from a mutual friend. Then the two of them started talking about a recent ex of hers.

She goes out with this guy, and apparently shes a number of firsts for him. She thought it was "super weird", and her idea of breaking up was to ignore him until he became angry at her and blocked her from all social media.

THEN she decides to do stuff like vandalize his car for "closure", even though she was the one who initiated all of that crap. I could at least have understood it if he had cheated or something.

I swear my dick crawled up into my stomach as they kept talking. College is a real blast, I wish I could say these were just internet boogeymen.
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>>16543117
Sadly man will date crazy, we are our own worst enemy.
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>>16542351
>its ironic cuz a lot of men, especially here, act like its some weird cosmic numbers game and that not asking girls out is the loop hole.

i've noticed that the majority of men here on 4chan complain about the girl they like always going for chad after they spent 'so many months/years' talking to them, but they never seemed to have asked out the girl explicitly in the first place.
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>>16543173
Everyone's crazy these days.

The days make everyone crazy.
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>>16542316
>Why are more and more men seemingly afraid to approach women now?
Man approaches woman for number/dinner
Woman laughs and says no
Alternatively, they ignore the man completely even if he has good intentions
Man is crushed
Man does this many more times
Figures women don't like this
Man tries sleazy says like hitting on Facebook or sliding in Twitter DMs
It works

Other men just give up completely. Saying men are misogynists is generalizing. That isn't true. Half of them are content with people and just gave up on asking women out while the other half are indeed bitter.

I'm the former. I see girls Retweet shit like how men should ask girls out on a date and not resort to indirect methods; then I see how they're proven wrong every single time. Question is, do I slide in DMs?

Nah. I just gave up on dating completely. Not worth the headache. If someone's interested in me, then I might pursue if I feel the same for her. So far, no ones interested so fuck everything. I'm living for myself
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>>16543251
>sliding in Twitter DMs
Wut
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>>16543258
"Sliding in her direct message inbox"

Get with the times grandpa
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>>16542517
Kek

You'd kill yourself over being called a creep?

That is a new level of pathetic
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>>16542316
>Why are more and more men seemingly afraid to approach women now?

Well, not speaking for all guys, but myself in general here.

I know my place.

It has been made abundantly clear that I'm a creep and have no business with women in any way.

So why try?

Every attempt so far has been met with enough negative reinforcement for my to simply opt out.

It's not just rejection, but how I am rejected.
I could handle a simple "I'm not attracted to you" or a "You're not my type". But I never got that. I was a "creep".

And now, that is what I identify as.
Even if nobody sees me as that anymore, I still see myself as a "creep".

Just who I am.

"Creep" mentality never goes away.

Also, negative reinforcement is probably why guys don't do it. You can't be all like "Men only want sex, men are pigs, men who aren't trying to get in my pants are "nice guys" who're evil because they secretly want to get in my pants. The entire world wants in my pants. Also, me me me me" for decades and seriously expect men not to be affected by that... unless your parents happen to be cousins in which case that entirely explains why you think the way that you think...
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Its not so much the rejection that hurts, it's the shaming afterwords. Sure, I understand that I'm fat and not attractive but why do all these women have to make me feel like shit for even trying to become romantically involved? I refuse to be apologetic for finding a woman sexually attractive. But, the things they say about me and how they laugh with their friends about me later... I can't blame people for giving up.
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>>16543294
you get rejected that way when your approach is fucked up garbage.
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>>16543324
if you're following women around after they've rejected you you're a creep.
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>>16543333
Where did I say that I followed them around?
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>>16543333
>Reminder that continuing your work / school / life after being rejected is not encouraged

And you wonder why people stop trying
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>>16543330

Never just cold approached.

It was with girls I already knew, and for the most part, got on well with. The moment they found out I liked them, all hell broke lose.

I wasn't pushy... Hell, I was far too shy for pushy...

Nevermind. Dunno why I'm explaining. You people hear the words creep and you think "Greasy neckbeard groping women on a bus telling them that they "like it really" while tryin' to get their number".

Fuck you, you're the reason things are the way that they are.
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>>16543333
You're the reason why gender relations are so shit right now.

Thought I'd let you know.
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women are parasites

the end
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>>16543345

>how dare you call a creepy person what they are
hit close to home?
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I don't understand it myself. I think most of you on here are massive losers. The unfortunate thing is, the longer you're segregated from social life, the more of a loser you're seen as and the fewer social skills you learn, so the harder it is to break in.
Honestly all of the gay shit you complain about is in your power to change. But most of you never will because you're afraid, scared little pussy bitches. More scared than a woman. What would your grandparents or parents fucking think of the spineless exuse for a man you are?

Prove me wrong.
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>>16543338
if you're trapped with someone it IS inappropriate and more importantly very stupid to pursue them.
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>>16543324
because women are sadistic pieces of shit. i think they would love it if you committed suicide from all the rejections too.
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>>16543359
Not at all.

But how is he creepy? Like be real with me.
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>>16543362
>What would your grandparents or parents fucking think of the spineless exuse for a man you are?

My grandmother frequently tells me that I'm smart for it because I'm saving soo much fuckin' money NOT tryin' to get women.

Also, I'm >>16543294
>>16543343

That guy.

My entire family is pretty red-pilled to be honest. I've got chill parents and grand parents.
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>>16543367
I'm a guy but I am enjoying the thought of this stupid fat creep killing himself.
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>>16543363
I fail to see how going to school / work is "pursuing them"
Literally just living your life while the woman talks loudly around you.
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>>16543367
No, they aren't! How can you let someone else have this much power over you? Not even a real person, but an imagined scarecrow of "evil women."
They're just people. All people can be good or bad.
Start taking control of your own life and yourself. Be in charge stop being a scared faggot.
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>>16543370

I don't know what you're not getting, is it really difficult to understand that someone who rejected you does not want to be around you?

I'm not saying if you get rejected by someone in your class, stop going to class, but if you're rejected by someone who is clearly disinterested in or uncomfortable with your company, why would you go out of their way to remain there? spite?
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>>16543343
this is true. usually when girls find out that a boy likes them (especially an ugly pathetic one) they make fun of them because they hold more power by knowing that you're attracted to them. of course this isnt just exclusive to women, but its human nature to pick on the weak. men do this too, in fact all the time, but you'll find they do this in different forms. but i really cant imagine that girls would still pull that kind of thing after high school, at least with you knowing.
>Fuck you, you're the reason things are the way that they are.
you could either choose to accept that shitty people exist and move on, or you could be like the manchild you are, refusing to take responsibility for your actions and blaming others for your issues.
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>>16543367
>subliminal suicide message

I like this post. This thread is almost 98% shit.
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>>16543385
Who exactly is going out of their way here?
If the girl talks to her friends in the class loudly what are you supposed to do exactly there.

You need to stop projecting mate.
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>>16543359
He never answered why I was creepy. I don't follow these women. As I'm walking away from being rejected I can hear them snickering to themselves and laughing about it. Some have looked me up and down, laughed at loud, rolled their eyes, and turned back around to their friends. I've had friends of friends who I've asked out tell me no (politely) only for my friend later to tell me that she told my friend that there's no way she'd go for a guy as ugly as me and that she can "only imagine how bad the sex with him would be lol".
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>>16543370
creepy is just another word for "unattractive"
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>>16543376
See
>>16543382

Please. Don't let this warped world view and this shit hole of a site rub off on you. What others think is literally irrelevant. It's how you feel or respond to what they think.
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>>16543380
>I fail to see how going to school / work is "pursuing them"
nobody said that, read the thread.
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>>16543345
>You're the reason why gender relations are so shit right now.
they're the best they've ever been.
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>>16543399
You did though.

You constantly keep talking about "following them" or "going out of your way to meet them" or "pursuing them" when none of that is in fact happening or even implied in any of his posts.
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>>16543343
>The moment they found out I liked them, all hell broke lose.
nobody just finds out you like them, either you told them or you're a drooling creep.
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>>16543414
>pursuing them
as in pursuing them romantically you dunce.
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>>16543422
>No one has ever pursued a person from their work or school before and it's totally socially unacceptable to do so

O wowsies mate so thick bait here.
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>>16543397

What's with all the shaming anyway...

What if I want to be a scared faggot who saves a lot of money?
Hell, so what if I believe my rightful place in this universe is being a "creep", and choose to disregard any form or relationship?
So what if I don't want the drama, the negative reinforcement, the bullshit that comes with just trying to find the right person, let alone stick by them?

Honestly, if I want to be what you people consider "pathetic", so fuckin' what?

Hows it affect you?
I mind my business, you mind yours.

OP asked, I answered.

I'm a "creep", and I accept and embrace that.
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>>16543429
That's your choice. It's 100% yours, not forced on you. Just know that it's always your choice. Only you have the power to change your life.
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>>16543414
>You constantly keep talking about "following them" or "going out of your way to meet them" or "pursuing them" when none of that is in fact happening or even implied in any of his posts.
he didn't imply that it WASN'T the case until someone finally spoke up and said that he was probably making them uncomfortable - we literally only just got context now
and honestly, before he gave us context it WAS creepy.
>>16543395
>I asked her out and she laughed when i walked away
Okay? That's the awful evil thing they did to hurt your feelings?
Its an awkward situation, people laugh when they want to make themselves feel better. And it IS uncomfortable to be asked out publicly by someone you aren't attracted to.
>she politely told me no and then I heard she said mean things
so in at least one case she WAS nice to you, but then she spoke to your friend in confidence and they proceeded to break that confidence to tell you something they knew would hurt you
and the girl is the bad guy in this situation
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>>16543438
Only an autist would take it like that mate.
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Gonna be honest with you OP, it's pornography.

Seriously.

Easy access to pictures of a woman's vagina greatly decreases the need to approach women.

So unless you are a 8/10+ who shows interest there are pretty decent chances you are going to get ignored.

You can close the thread now.
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>>16543438
Except this happens all the time. I took advs advice and kept my chin up as its a numbers game and kept on trying. How the fuck can you think that shit doesn't hurt? You think I like getting laughed at after putting myself out there? It fucking sucks. There are plenty of ways to reject people you don't find attractive but you're defending these people being giant douchebags. Fuck you.
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>>16543456
You know things are fucked up when porn provides more for average man than average woman.

Porn pretty big contributor though definitely for both men and women.
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Flirting while unattractive is sexual harassment
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>>16543463

don't get your panties in a knot. It IS a numbers game, and it WILL hurt. A lot of shit hurts in life. you're allowed to be upset.

>There are plenty of ways to reject people you don't find attractive but you're defending these people being giant douchebags.
Like I said, laughing after an uncomfortable situation doesn't make someone evil. Sure, there are going to be mean people who say hurtful things from time to time, but its your decision to let that stay with you.
Feel free to keep thinking that anyone who acts visibly uncomfortable with your approach is a big bad meanie and feel free to stay in the exact miserable position you're in for the rest of your life. It doesn't affect my odds any.
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>>16543475

It's not really fucked up or surprising.

Pornography is the number one place to create unrealistic expectations. Women have bodies professionally built to be beautiful, with makeup and clothing to add to the mix not to forget the right lighting. The average guy could never have these girls, but here their pussies are out for display, and these girls don't look nearly as good off the set.

Then you have the stigma with modern marriage, divorce rates, the increased expectations from both men and women means fewer guys are approaching girls and girls are rejecting more guys, either because they feel they aren't good enough or the guy just isn't to her standards.

But hey, the internet is worth all that bullshit I'd say.
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>>16542506
ANON! GIRL HERE AND i ACTUALLY AGREE WITH YOU VERY MUCH! This is precisely why all of my friends are male because I cannot stand the petty games that other females play. Like you said it gets tiring. And as an introvert I can only take so much social interaction before I get worn out.
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>>16543502
Ye at least we got porn so there is that.
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>>16542316
>>16542316
don't know but I'm enjoying every bit of it,
every girl throwing themselves at me
and I was told it would be hard
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>>16543493
You're fucking retarded. Holy shit. I tried giving you a chance but that was a mistake. The projections you make are out of control.
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>>16542316
Fallout 4, Xbox one and ps4
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>>16543438
>he didn't imply that it WASN'T the case
And there was no reason to assume he was following them around either. You are assuming random stuff about people when people are listing their experiences, for no real reason.

Meanwhile, you're defending petty shit like gossiping like a teenager.
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>>16543528

Too true.

I'm >>16543429.

So yeah, I'm creepy. I like how the companions in this one seem to actually have more or a personality.

I shit you not, I was honestly just fucking things up in the wasteland until I met piper, now I'm second guessing every decision hoping she likes it.

I don't even put that much thought into what real people think (because lets face it, they're lost causes, they'll think the worst no matter what).

Goddamn fallout is replacing life.
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I don't know but it's pretty weak. If you walk up to a girl confidently she will take notice(well, most will). But if you're just gonna stand there all creepy and staring its very off putting. Grow some balls man, women aren't scary witches with golden pussies that are untouchable lol.
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>>16542316
what do you have to offer your worthless fucking cow
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It's just personal experience, but I once asked my crush on a date and said I liked her.She bailed for like a month, but I was stupid enough to still do it. I found out things about her life, about how easy and slutty she was, and saw trough the bullshit she was telling me. I just never talked about it again, but one day at college one of the guys made a reference about that date and I froze. Never considered asking someone out again ever since.
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i don't know about you autistic niggers but I can't hold a decent conversation with anyone, man or woman.
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>>16542316
In my experience, suggesting to women that you're interested in them makes you look like a creep and unwanted.
I always assumed it was a general rule that you had to wait for women to exhibit interest in you before approaching them.
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>>16543604
Often women are too chickenshit to express interest
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I'm not scared, or ashamed, or bitter. I'm just tired of being rejected after trying my best and am surrounded by divorce and divorce statistics. I just keep focusing on my science and hobbies and have stopped trying to grab the attention of women I'm attracted to because I think "eh... The chances of success are not worth the effort."
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>>16543589
>omg someone knows i did something once
>i can never do that again

Holy fuck my man, laugh it off and call them gay who taught you to be such a bitch? Even your father was socially competent enough to bang your mum
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>>16542316
>afraid to approach women now?
It's not about being afraid, it's about total disinterest. The women I'm interested in usually aren't 'out there' to be approached in the first place, you gotta use other methods to meet and get familiar with them.
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