is there any external way to know if a guy will be good in bed?

you're not very clever. If the dude is out of shape of course he is going to suck in bed. There's one honest answer. If he's in shape (cardio and muscle) and knows how to flirt, he probably will be good in bed (honest predictor at least)

>>16492286
I've had bad sex from fit and slender men, though. So while fat men are virtually inexistent where I'm from (to my dismay, if we're honest), BMI 21 isn't a surefire bet. The sex is still bad.

>>16492261
The only """sure""" way to know is asking his exes or someone he had sex with,and even then it's not that sure.Just fuck him.

>>16492290
So get better after multiple times he has to figure you out

>>16492296
Sleeping with friends' exes is kind of rude, though, isn't it?

Ask him to give you a massage on different parts of your body. If those massages are "smooth" or too your liking then might be a good sign that he has some awareness of bodily contact (not too rough, not too stiff, can move his fingers and body parts with control and precision) and isn't all stiff and what not.

Is there any external way to know if YOU will be good in bed?

>>16492313
That makes sense, but how the fuck do I get a guy to give me a massage without having to fuck him regardless?

>>16492315
Pussy is pussy. I'm alive, so it's going to be warm.

Men will fuck literally anything.

>>16492261
Ask him to give you a backrub. If he's all knuckles and pushes down too hard and hurts you, he's a chucklefuck who thinks porn=real sex.

If he knows how to hit those sweet spots just right so that it slightly hurts but feels good enough to give you tingles, and he's paying attention to what to do and where, it proves he can and will want to please you

>>16492316

Well, when I met my wife I gave her hand massages. She FELL IN LOVE WITH THEM. I guess I have good skills at shit like that. I kept giving her these massages on her hand and she loved them so much she expected them even after we got married and shit. I got bored of giving them though. Ask for a hand massage first somehow like at work or something.

>>16492323
It's a good idea, but I'll still have to fuck him for that.

You can't get something for nothing from men, they aren't like women. They're not stupid.

>>16492316
>>16492286
This is not very true. I'm somewhat muscular but I'm way too fat, could stand to lose about 25 pounds. 6 foot around 215 or so, I mean I'm not a sex God or anything, I've had sex with two girls, both say I was there best, I believe it too, as they were brutally honest, I had a smaller dick than about half the people one had sex with, but the one with a huge dick busted too fast and wasn't enjoyable. I last pretty much as long as I want (too much porn man) but get really
Into it. I like being rough and pulling hair and slapping and stuff. Other girl told me I was far bigger than the other 3 or 4 she'd had sex with, and was far better. She was really boring though and the sex sucked. I do think if I was in better shape I may be better, but unless the person is obese or so I think that's a poor measuring stick.

>>16492324

I used to give them to her when we were at work on our break, when we were sitting in my car somewhere. Be funny about it and say get him to give it to you. If he doesn't want to give you a hand massage then he doesn't deserve your pussy. WHen I was young I wanted to do ANYTHING a girl would let me to do her. I wanted to give her pleasure and so I guess I was good at it. If a guy isn't eager to pleasure you then that shows he's going to be the same way in bed.

>>16492329
There are no men at my workplace or social circles, save for blood relatives and spouses of friends/relatives

this is my technic https://youtu.be/aAcPQMKNMFE, i am proffesional massager and i am god in bed

>>16492327
No you won't, and he won't demand it unless he's a fuckboi anyway

Just tell the guy that you don't normally ask this but that you pulled a muscle or something

>>16492334

Well, where would you meet a guy? if you were to meet one?

>>16492336
this is why woman always scream: OH ! GOD ! pls STOP !

>>16492261
Confidence. If he's uneasy around you, he'll probably be uneasy in bed. If he's not uneasy around you, there is no guarantee but hey slightly higher chances

>>16492320

I've definitely been with women who were completely fucking terrible in bed.

In fact, the majority of my sexual encounters have resulted in them cumming (either through oral, penetration, or other stimulation) and me just ending things before I ever get to. Pretty much my girlfriend's one of the girl i've been with, with the aptitude, creativity, and stamina to actually match me.

>>16492356

I agree with this, I think if a guy is confident he will not be scared to take control and things suck when you don't have help. He can take control of the girl a little bit and I have the idea that girls like that sometimes. Not to get abused and shit but have a man that's masculine and can pound it like she belongs to him a little bit.

>>16492338
Where people usually do. Bars, friends' parties, etc.

>>16492359
Are yoy sure you don't have a medical condition? It takes an idiot to not make a man cum.

>>16492364
>dominant
>abusive
How do I tell the difference? I've never had dick worth dying for and I am kind of skeptical it exists.

>>16492381

Well, whenever you do meet someone at one of those places, try and fit in the hand massage somewhere but not trying to be so obvious that you "are looking for good dick". Do you think you can?

Well, abusive obviously you don't enjoy. If you don't like it then don't continue with it. If it's dominant then it's not necessarily bad and if you enjoy sometimes being dominated by a strong healthy guy type thing then accept it and work with it.

I'm pretty sure good dick is there, you yourself need to get better at being more aware of what kind of guys have good dick and what ones don't. I think it's an instinctive thing in your brain. You need to keep thinking and thinking until it clicks.

>>16492381
A confident guy can be a moral people who is dominant in bed, an abuser in disguise or neither of the two. He is more likely to be one of the former two categories, but it is hard to differentiate between those two after just one date. All I can tell you is that the vast majority of guys do not actually cause harm to the girl while having sex.

>>16492399

She should be able to filter out an abusive guy also because if he has an abusive personality then it will reflect in his personality EVERYWHERE. Not just in bed. She needs to catch these signs and if she finds out in bed she probably missed those signs earlier on.

Filter out these men and get to know not only who you want, but who you don't want. If they have an attitude or something that sets you off or makes you even a little bit uncomfortable under normal situations chances are they'll be more explosive when they're alone with you.

>>16492409
it depends, a "good" abuser is able to seem really nice and will listen to everything you ask for up to a few months, in order to gain your trust. It's called the "honeymoon period". Then the physical and emotional abuse will subtly commence.

Of course, if he's not aiming for a long-term sort of thing, then it should be easier to catch signs of controlling behaviour earlier on.

>>16492420

True also, really stinks for guys that make women fall in love with then and then by the time they see who he really is it's too late, she can't leave because she listens to her emotions and can't leave him.

>>16492381
>Are yoy sure you don't have a medical condition? It takes an idiot to not make a man cum.

My girlfriend has no real problems. I just have a lot of stamina and tend to get bored if things aren't kept lively. I'm probably more mental based than most, but I've also been able to have full body orgasms because of it.

>>16492396
I've found that it's a good rule of thumb that good guys are always taken. So if he's available, he's probably trash.

>>16492399
So I have to fuck them to find out?

>>16492409
I'm not from an abusive home and therefore not inherently attracted to abusive guys (it's a sad cycle and I see it all the time) so I'm pretty safe from it. I usually end up with the indifferent or lukewarm guys.

One of my most stable relationships (ie. we fucked more than twice) was on a stable basis of "I probably hate you but whatever". I had to be drunk to fuck him but it was safer than drinking alone.

>>16492480

>I've found that it's a good rule of thumb that good guys are always taken. So if he's available, he's probably trash.

Come on now, that rule of thumb may not be exactly "good". It may "happen" to be right a lot because obviously there are a lot of guys that are trash but with that mentality you're never going to find anyone and may as well stop looking.

>So I have to fuck them to find out?

Unfortunately the bottom line is that is the only %100 way to be sure. Still you can analyze people before just jumping into bed with them.

Are you interested in getting dick and NOT getting into a relationship? or like getting good dick and also being stable with this guy? or getting good dick and no relationship?

>>16492491
I'm interested in getting as much as I can within realistic measures, and the matter is I am fucking ugly, so prince charming is not gonna happen.

Sex and love are mutually exclusive to me anyway.

>>16492495

Come on now, if you think you're ugly then you need to get a guy that can accept you for your personality, many guys out there are the same way, and they will probably value you a lot when they get to know you. Unfortunately pretty girls and guys can get sex easily and I think that's one of the things that many times leads them through a life of not needing to develop their personality too much. You need to find a guy who is interested and they will be and then go from thre.

>>16492320

Ever heard the term "dead fish in bed"? Or useless log? And if you're so certan about that, how come we aren't fucking logs and electric outlets on a regular basis?

>>16492323
That's more indicative of a guy with very good senses, a masseur, than a guy that listens to a body. There's more than how the muscles work, in bed, there's also the silent gestures, the wild screams, to go faster, slower, rougher, other positions, hand there, leg here, etc. I get what you mean, that such a person will listen to the female, but it's neither what they usually want, nor exactly foolproof.

>>16492324
Backrubs would be better. Bigger area, more muscles to cover, as well as being more varied muscles (very sensetive neck muscles vs very resilient scapula muscles) "My shoulders are so sore. Can you help me?" is a perfect reasoning as well, if you're even a little bit close to the person.


As to OP's original question, there's next to no way to tell.

>>16492507
I don't have a hard time finding sex. Like I said, pussy is pussy. It's a matter of what kind of sex you're willing to settle for.

>>16492526
You ever heard of the case of the dude who got caught fucking a bicycle?

Pussy is pussy, and that's why realdolls are a million-dollar business.

And while massages are a good idea, they really aren't. I don't want to buy a pig in a sack and "what's in it for me?" will always be the first question in a guy's mind.

>>16492541

I see. Well, have you learned anything about the guys you've been with that may lead you to think there's a pattern with them all and why you don't like w hat they have to offer?

>>16492546
I'm not worth fucking properly.

the attractive ones don't give a shit because they know they can get someone else whenever, and the creepy ones don't give a shit because they know they might never get laid again so they might as well have their fun and run with it.

>>16492554

How old are you? You have a pretty bleek look on things. Look I'm pretty sure you're looking in the wrong places. Do you have a friend that can introduce you to a friend? can vouch for him and the fact that he at least cares? is romantic? because sometimes that's something to go with as opposed to trying with someone you know nothing about. YOu been with white guys? blacks? Hispanics?

>>16492560
By default, my friends don't introduce me to their friends.

Romantic adult men don't exist, and age of consent laws forbid me from going for the boys.

I'm not an american. The only hispanic men are actual spanish and portugese dudes and mostly keep to the coastline if and when they exist. The black guys are 1st or 2nd generation somali refugees and I am deeply skeptical of the sexual skill and experience of muslims. If guys who don't care about casual sex are bad at casual sex, I don't want to get fucked by a guy who thinks extramartial sex and women who engage in it are inherently filthy and evil.

>>16492261
>If I ask, I'll bet dollars for dog shit they're not going to be honest.
Honesty isn't what you have to worry about. They'll tell you what they honestly think about themselves. The problem is that the correlation between how good they think they are, as opposed to how good they actually are, is not very high. Many who think they're good are not. Many who think they're lousy are at least passable.

Bottom line: there is no easy or quick way to tell. It would take some major cultural shifts before that became possible. If what you're after is a good experience, then perhaps taking some time to get to know your prospects -a few dates, perhaps- would be a good idea.

>>16492571

Hmm, well I can't speak much of Europe or places not American, I'm not sure what's available over there.

Do you have female friends that you have told them about this and if they find a guy that is right and get to know him as a friend (girls do have friends right?) then they can introduce you to him. Would they help you out?

>>16492576
If you ask a guy if he's good and he knows you're not going to put out if he says "no", he is going to lie. Men always lie when they know what answer you want to hear.

How the fuck do I get a date?

>>16492578
No. I don't know anyone who would have male friends, save for one, and that guy has a creepy face.

>>16492592

>If you ask a guy if he's good and he knows you're not going to put out if he says "no", he is going to lie. Men always lie when they know what answer you want to hear.

Well, honestly, you could tell him straight up look, I want a man that's good in bed and I'm willing to give you a shot then I'll give you all the pussy you want. If he says yeah then interview him. Sounds funny but I'd be willing to do it. I'd tell a girl my methods and all that shit if this was the case. Worst comes to worst she doesn't like what she hears then I don't get no pussy. I'd be bummed but oh well. If she gives me a shot I'll make sure I do my best to please her and put on a good show.

Hmmm, how many female friends do you have? where do you work? do you get more joy out of no good sex? or masterbating?

>>16492261
If theyre good, theyre modest.
If theyre bad, they say theyre good.
>Im not that good, only made my ex come 95% of time, the remaining 5% was when she refused when I tried to give her oral, Im sure many can accomplish these percentages
:^)

>>16492615

I make my girl cum when I give her oral. I always make sure she goes when I give her oral then I get my nut off inside her because she sucks at fucking so I know she can't get me off. By the time she gets off I'm ready.

>>16492598
Interview? What am I supposed to ask?

I have about four friends. I don't masturbate.

>>16492615
If a guy is too stupid to humblebrag he's too stupid to risk pregnancy with.

>>16492526
>electric outlets
Kek, look for "The Love Plug" on efukt.

>>16492634

Well, ask him does does he do oral? does he mind if you don't ride him? how long can he fuck for? how long can he fuck you before he cums? can he hold out until you get off? can he make you cum by oral?. I mean, That's the kind of stuff I wouldn't mind discussing because I'm fine talking about sexual stuff, if you're too shy to talk about that stuff with a person you hardly know then I guess you really can't do it. That's the stuff I would ask because if I want a good person in bed I'm not trying to waste my time with someone not good in bed and so this is being very blunt about it and getting to know if a person is just that. If he can't answer those questions or isn't comfortable answering those questions then I wouldn't waste my time with thim.

>>16492637
Pussy is pussy. There's a reason why pretty young men don't get abducted from Russia and Thailand for sex slavery.

>>16492645
What if I don't know what to ask?

I've never had an orgasm, how do I know if he'll make me cum or not?

>>16492705

Well that you really won't know until you get with him. Have you ever had oral sex? anyone ever given it to you? have you ever given? do you consider yourself good at it if you have? I'm a guy so not sure exactly how hard it is for a woman to get an orgasm but I would think that it's more or a chance that you will get an orgasm if you get oral sex so even if he doesn't give it to you by penetrating maybe you can have it that way. If you never tried oral then maybe you should give it a shot because I'm pretty sure oral feels better, but I think he still needs to be aware of how to stimulate you. He needs to know how to work your clit. Not sure how many guys are good like that.

>>16492712
A few guys have tried going down on me but I couldn't tolerate it.

Is fellatio really a skill at all? I can make a guy cum. It takes an idiot not to.

>>16492735

Well, my wife sucks my dick but it isn't as good as I would like, and even on porns they do it all retarded and shit. Girls is all gagging and shit and going fast and shit.

I would prefer a girl go slow and steady and keep doing it without all that playing around shit. Just up and down and very simple. I guess there's a better way I would prefer to have it done but it's up to the girl to know how to do it really I suppose. My wife isn't going to learn to do something like that and whatever I don't care, just wish it was better.

I assume it's the same way for oral sex on women. why wouldn't you tolerate it?

>>16492739
I don't know how to express it. It's not painful, but I am willing to kick him in the face to make him stop.

>>16492745

He just doesn't know what he's doing maybe. Not painful. Maybe he's not wetting your clit enough? I keep the clit wet otherwise rough tongue against rough clit doesn't feel too smooth. I also let the tip of my tongue go against the tip of the clit instead of messing with ALL the skin down there. The tip of the clit is simple enough to where you don't have to bother all the skin around it. I can do it with just my tongue without needing to get the rest of my mouth involved. I just salivate and find a good steady motion to play with the clit with. Not sure if other guys do the same thing. How long was he doing it for until you stopped enjoying? immediately? does he hold your legs while he does it? are you laying down? in bed?

>>16492745

Also, do you not like the idea of oral sex performed on you? I think some women don't like the idea and if that's the case then you probably won't enjoy it since you aren't into the idea to bein with. I think if you are ok with oral sex and like the idea of someone going out on you it helps you climax instead of just relying on the guy's performance.

>>16492754
It's been several guys. I actually did kick one. It was faster than saying "stop" and I needed to make it stop IMMEDIATELY.

I've never liked it, not one bit, ever.

>>16492764

Dang, well that might not be for you then and I myself like the idea so if you do it it would be to please the guy and not you. Have you ever liked ANY of the things the guy has done to you? maybe doggystyle? or missionary position? even if it's just from a single person?

>>16492769
No, not really. There was this one guy that liked it face-to-face like chimpanzees but I'm not sure if it was the sex or the fact that I liked him as a person (he was my first guy who wasn't a virgin, too), but being a reasonably attractive guy, he probably just lost interest and wandered off after we went on a few dates.

>>16492785

You liked the sex with him. I'm assuming you didn't cum but would you mind the sex WITHOUT cumming if it was with him again and again? or would you still need to search for someone else because he didn't get you to cum?

Do you think you maybe need the idea of finding someone you LIKE in order to enjoy the sex? if that's the case maybe you need to be in a relationship with someone you care about and at least kind of think is cute?. If that's the case nobody will satisfy you if they're ugly and you are going to have to spend a little more time searching but being patient will lead you to success.

>>16492791
He didn't make me cum. I've never orgasmed that I would be aware of it, and I have been told I'd remember it if I had.

I sleep with guys I don't like because guys I like won't sleep with me. Like I said I'm too ugly to afford a good one.

>>16492812

How ugly are you just curious? rate yourself 1/10 and do you wear make up? is it because you're fat? how would you rate the guys you "like'? 7/10?

>>16492820
I just honestly don't give a fuck about the way I look. Save for being reasonably in shape (human-shaped, that is, not a cardio bunny) and showering every few days, I don't do anything about it. I wear practical clothes, jeans and sneakers and hoodies, and I keep my hair pretty much shaved bald for the sake of convenience.

And I really don't know. I just don't like the absolutely skeletal types or guys with something wrong with their faces. No chin, eyes too close together, the kind of gummy extra-chromosome -vibe, pink or red skin....

I like fucked-up teeth, though. Not hygiene-wise, but weird, symmetrically uneven ones. There was one guy in my high school who had all four of his canines, upper and lower, on the outside of an otherwise even row of teeth, like on a gorilla. It's still one of the hottest things I've ever seen.

>>16492857

Alright, I see. There's still got to be someone for you out there. Maybe some women can tell you where to meet them though because I really don't know that type of information. How often do you go to bars? when you do how often do you run into somebody? how often does a guy take notice of you? do you at least wear some lipstick? dress a little differently?

>>16492261
Dance with him. If he has rhythm he's good in bed.

>>16492871
I don't go to bars these days because I am tired of bad sex.

I don't feel comfortable wearing any kind of makeup or "women's clothes". I just feel awkward and disgusting in them.

What do you mean, run into?

>>16492885

Well like how often would you get into a conversation or opportunity to get friendly with a guy or a guy that was "interested".

>>16492892
In eastern europe, it's rude to talk to strangers in non-alcohol settings, so only if and when I go to bars.

>>16492903

Are you serious? wow that really sucks.

Man, not sure what to tell you now.

>>16492914
Or it might just be that I have little to no social skills due to being bullied for 10 years, but I've never been talked to on the train or the street by a person I can't describe as "creepy old man", and the few rare times I've obeyed the americans' advice and Just Go Talk To People, they've reacted like I have, by visually stiffening and avoiding eye contact in hopes that I'll go away.

>>16492320

I'm going to go ahead and say that the vast majority of women I've slept with have been fucking awful in bed. Thank god I'm attracted to men too.

>>16492881
this pretty much. I've been told by countless women that that is something they always look for when meeting a guy. If he can dance chances are he isn't totally worthless in the bedroom.
also good kissing can be a sign or how he uses his hands during makeout sessions.

>>16492923

This might be an underlying problem of yours that is stopping you from getting good sex or relationship. Is it just as hard to get into a relationship with someone you care about? harder? easier? not sure because you don't want that? If you can't communicate and socialize I don't see you being able to get many opportunities to find a good partner or find anyone at all. Are your social skills better on here? if so how much better? 90% better? 30% better?

>>16492940
I have absolutely given up on ever finding a relationship, and I expect to die alone.

My social skills are fine, I can convince a doctor that I don't have a mental illness when they're explicitly looking for one. I'm just a deeply unlikeable person.

>>16492948

Given up? but you would like one just couldn't?

So your social skills in most areas are normal/good but go to shit when it comes to talking to a guy you are considering for a relationship? What about guys that you need to work with or just see as a friend?

>>16492953
I'd like one but guys worth having are all already gone.

I don't work with guys and I have no male friends. I have had male teachers and bosses, though, and I'm pretty sure I can behave normally around them.

>>16492968

That's crazy. Have you tried looking online on a date site for a guy interested in you? might be your only hope?.

>>16492976
Yes.

So far I've gotten nothing on OkCupid and zero matches on Tinder.

>>16492979

Can I see your profile? I don't have an account though. I need one or can I take a look without one? I want to see it.

>>16492981
I don't think you can, but if you can, you can't.

>>16492991

can you link it? I don't make fun of you or anything.

>>16492996
dude really? as if some girl on 4chan is going to show you her okcupid profile.

>>16493000

Well, she's talking about some personal stuff, I figured she would know by now that I"m not here to make fun of her otherwise I would have already. I mean just curious to see if there's any other info I can giver her to help her out. Also this is a very unique case. Not sure what to think about Eastern Europe now. Seems nuts. No big deal if she doesn't. Now that I'm thinking about it though it might not be a good idea for her to do it so if she's reading don't do it. SOmeone else on here might dox her or some shit.

>>16492996
>but if you can, you can't
>can you?

>>16493008
well but you're not the only one reading this. and not everyone is as nice as you.

>>16493015

Yeah, I hope she doesn't do it.

>>16493018
Don't worry I'm not gonna.