> What is El Goonish Shive? A webcomic. The early years were awkward and ketchy, but it's grown into something awesome in the last fourteen years. > Why is it in /aco/? Loads of fetish material and a Patreon-funded pin up blog. The thread image is an edit of one of those pin ups. The comic is still technically worksafe, but our discussion of it isn't. >>Any links I should know? egscomics is the main page. egspinups is the Patreon-funded art at Tumblr. egs-edits, also at Tumblr, takes pinups, sketchbook entries, and comics and makes pretty good nude edits. There are a few good fics at AO3 as well, but any drawfags, writefags, or editfags that want to hop on the train are encouraged to. > Previous thread: >>834875
Pick something that you want to do. If you're not doing something you love, you're not going to care.
Make a list of favorite characters. Ideally, characters you feel you have a story to tell about. Each picture you draw, each look on their face, each detail of their body language is telling a piece of a story.
Make sure it's something you have an interest in telling.
Remember that your efforts are going to look like shit at first, especially to yourself. Dan Shive has been doing this for over 15 years now ... if you feel the need to compare yourself to his work, at least go into his archives and compare yourself to the first year or two of his efforts.
That's why your pic above doesn't really suck. It looks like Susan back when Dan was drawing her in 2003/2005. Re-read Grace's Birthday Party; there's a solid resemblance, although your effort is a touch more manga-ish. And is your own style.
Practice faces & facial expressions, and Dan has given you an incredible archive to use as reference. Work your way to more dynamic body language ... but a simple, relaxed stance like you did above is a good start. Next try sitting. Then try from left, right and center. Then from above then from below. Don't expect to do it all in one week. Or one month.
Set yourself goals of something you want to attempt, 3 months out, 6 months out, etc. Susan swinging a light sabre, or a hammer, for possibilities. Then try different outfits, like Susan as Princess Leia. Slave Girl Leia, so that Susan would beat you up for it.
Pic related brings a lot of that together: Susan in a Star Fleet uniform as a fairy doll. Or Slave Girl Leia. But, pay attention to filename on that; Dan didn't do that in his first decade.
Develop a thin skin. The Internet is brutal, and 4chinnz is full of assholes. At least you're not trying this on /pol/.
>>954311 I don't even know what the point of the spell is. It doesn't affect the real world, right? I can't see what the use is in a spell that basically amounts to "Sarah interacts with her imagination".
>>965294 The physical simulation matches reality, as long as she doesn't mess with it too much. She could probably access a copy out of computer and get real information out of it, and probably handwave any password away.
>>965548 My first thought when her spell was revealed was that it had to be used for intelligence gathering. It's a spell that takes place entirely within one's own head, doesn't leave any traces, and includes a sense of time displacement. It's not even known what range limitations it has, if any. Plus, with the illusion-manipulation abilities, it's not only even MORE powerful for information-gathering, but it's also got some very obvious entertainment applications.
>>968794 I dunno about you, but the fact that the comic is as clean as it is while still poking at the fetish material is kind of what I like about it. Sure, I'd fucking LOVE it if Dan had a side-page for porn stuff (something like David Willis and his Dumbing of Age porn, but without the inherent Willis-iness of it all), but I'd be nearly as happy if we had some more people doing porny fancomics, like Carasibana's edits.
Hell, that way we could get into pairings Dan would never touch.
Tangentially related: Odds of an edit on this one?
I am assuming you mean, which character the player will conquest, rather than play? Of the choice you give, Sarah without hesitation.
Also, the game won't be worth being in the EGS universe unless both the player and the conquest(s) have access to sex morphing magic. Encouraging Sarah to draw out of her shell and explore possibilities, even & especially possibilities with other characters in 3- and 4-way romances and erotic encounters, would be a pretty amazing and unique game.
For example ... unlocking a path where I could morph into a cute girl and engage Sarah, Ellen and Nanase in a 4-way. Even unlocking Nanase's Fox persona and turning it into a 5-way. Or a 4-way with Cat & Rhoda ....
Under such a general layout for the game, it would be important to establish a solid bro relationship with Ted to access his tech, including a path for a permanent new sex & look as default for player & main conquest. Hopefully that would involve a 3- or 4-way with Ted and Grace plus Sarah to access Teds trust and willingness to share his tech.
I would not in the least mind starting out as a male character to Sarah's female and unlock a scene or two where I could play out a female (even a catgirl) to Sarah &/or Grace as males.
I mean ... if you're gonna go full EGS, it's a wide open universe with many possibilities.
I'd also like to make sure that the options remain for the female characters to keep slim and athletic bodies. I don't particularly object to the V5 forms and even experimenting with them, but I'm not a great fan of gihugic flopping tits and asses the size of Volkswagons. Catalina and Sarah are two of my favorites because they are somewhat tomboy-ish, in addition to their personalities.
>>971751 Elliot is nominally the central protagonist of the comic, and nearly half the cast has shown some level of canonical interest in him. Only a slight bending of genre is really necessary to make the dating sim scenario work. He also doesn't come with the intrinsic narrative baggage of an original character.
>>971751 Laying it out like that, my mind immediately jumped on a structure in which Grace is the "guide" of the sim, assisting the player (Elliot or an OC, either could work) in their pursuit of the chosen partner through advice and moral support. This wouldn't even necessarily disqualify Ted as a candidate, as I don't expect Grace would even think to be jealous/expect that it would jeopardize her relationship with Ted, and would just want to help her friends be more happy (can anyone confirm a negative here in Grace never showing jealousy in Ted's affections of another or vice versa?).
There's even the possibility of including a background meta-game where, through specific responses to post-date interview/next-date planning sessions with Grace, you actually build up a hidden social link with her (as compensation for them not having the strongest cannon connection in universe). At the deciding moment, you unlock an option to confess to her instead of the character she's been helping you get closer to the whole game.
>"Aren't you excited, Elliot. Today's the big day. You'll go to see CHARACTER and tell them how you truly feel and they'll feel the same way completely and you'll both be SO HAPPY oh I'm so excited." >"Actually, Grace, it turns out the one I really want to be with... is you." >"!!!"
>>973048 That sounds interesting. I had been thinking Pandora could make for a good 'guide' character, depending on how you wanted to fluff the game and it's story, but Grace might work as well/better.
>>944154 You should write another one where Sarah uses her ability to animate other people in the brain freeze, specifically Teddy and Grace. And keeps switching bodies around. And gets greedy and uses bodyswapping during sex to steal all the orgasms for herself.
I liked the description: >It was a gradual thing. At first, the very idea of being seen without clothing, or seeing anyone else without clothing, was enough to make Sarah blush and run out of the run. >As more and more experiments with various wardrobe complications took place, however, Sarah became more and more accustomed to it.
>It eventually reached a point at which not only would she not care, but she'd forget she wasn't wearing anything. On more than one occasion she started to leave Tedd's house without her clothes, and on one particular >occasion that Tedd has yet to make sense of, she arrived at his house as such, and never acknowledged the situation.
>Tedd has some concern that this all might be more a side effect of one of their experiments than a natural shift in personality, but he's far too nervous to say anything.
>>979255 I doubt he'll follow through on the whole thing as being canon. That said, some nudity is already implied and she's probably progressed along these lines somewhat as far as being comfortable with it around Grace and Tedd. Walking across the neighborhood nude is a step too far I think.
>>975408 >Just starts forgetting she's naked >Wonders why everyone around her is acting so strange >Doesn't realize the problem until she's back home >By then she forgets she doesn't have her keys He he he...
So, I'm putting together a script for the game. I'll pastebin a WIP when it's a little more developed - likely around Wednesday or Thursday.
Part of this is because I have two versions that I'm mucking around with, and I want to develop them juuuust a little further before I decide on which one I'll use. I'll still post them both up, for comparison's sake.
>>984666 So there's a non-coin but nearby pornoverse of mainline continuity somehow in contact with the game's universe. And at some point, they have to interact with them, and get them to focus on tasks without accidentally starting to fuck suddenly every 5 minutes. They regard the normalversers like alternate versions of themselves that don't blink or poop for somehow not ending up fucking every 5 minutes. Their notions of virginity are entirely centered around innocent things like hand holding and first dates, which they have trouble talking about or watching happen, unless they are very bold. Everyone from the pornoverse is a bisexual contortionist, and no one is asexual or a pedophile, although cuddle drive varies from person to person, with some people just seeming to have no interest in it. Tentacle monsters are just another type of person. Puberty happens to everyone in their sleep in it's entirety on their 17th birthday, and festivities mostly involve the birthday boy/girl/creature getting the hang of their new drives. Pregnancy takes only a few weeks, and only hurts as much as you want it to. Their men have no refractory periods, and futa-ism is an STD you can be treated for, or get all cultural about, as you wish. The more I think about this, the more I like it.
>>997180 Broken Ted would represent a level of conflict that HAS been decidedly lacking for years now. Even in contentious moments, every EGS character has a marked blandness to them in their level of understanding and degree to which they will think ahead to the most reasonable/rational explanation or course of action. Even attempts to the contrary often conclude quickly and with a sense of "best case scenario" that nullifies any perceived stakes. It's always been my biggest critique, lumped in with the often neurotic depth of explanation for near every facet of the world, magic or otherwise.
It's been so long since I got a sense of tension from EGS, it'd be nice to see some shot back into the forefront.
-Scene one, as listed in pastebin. -Scene two, gives you three discussion points that can raise affection, two each for Elliot, Susan, or Sarah. Two of these can also raise for Grace in the background. -Scene three has the same setup as scene two for Justin, Ellen and Nanase. -Mini scene with Tedd and Grace testing one of the new morphs for the TF gun. -TF test scene. Three people with highest affection show up. You pick morph for each of them, then discuss. Affection can pop up or down based on that, and also based on who else is there. Will need a flowchart for that, forms usable, etc. -After TF scenes and aftermath, Grace needles you about you 'making googly eyes' at who you've got affection raised highest with (unless it's her), and we start down character-centric path.
>>997431 I just had an interesting thought...While Tedd is definitely distraught, I think he'll wind up accepting it. However, I think it could be the perfect time to re-introduce Lord Tedd, perhaps as the next main villain. Like, Lord Tedd found out about The Will Of Magic and bent it to his own will in his universe. Perhaps he watches all the Tedds of all the universes, and, when a Tedd doesn't react the same way he does, he pounces and enslaves/whatever that universe. Maybe a sort of Rick & Morty thing, where there's a Council of Lord Tedd that will ask him to join their evil ranks and conquer the Magic of his Universe to add to their own.
Crazy fanfiction-like thought there, I know, but it just popped into my head.
It's funny that even though most of us come to this thread dicks in hand, and mostly to post or request smut, it still seems to feature a better level of discourse than the I ever saw when I checked the EGS forums.
>>997431 According to a twitter exchange, his brain is allergic to anything resembling a situation comedy and the like. He'll want things to always be clear, at least to the reader but he probably will keep characters from getting too tangled up as well. Just how he's wired, I guess.
This Susan/Diane plot really needs to die. I'm worried that Dan really is going to go "oh look, despite everything they ARE sisters" since I've never really liked the idea of them being related at all and much prefer it being some coincidence i.e. pre-retcon Madelyne Pryor.
It's also made Ellen and Nanase even more annoying than they already are.
>there will never be a best girl Pandora pin-up because people will always vote for 5000 Sarah pin-ups on Dan's Patreon
>>1025225 I want Diane to be Susan from an alternate dimension, one that was destroyed 15 years ago. Diane was shunted to this dimension to save her, hence explaining why she looks a lot like Susan but being adopted and having a different name.
>>1025264 They're super annoying. Separately I can enjoy them (well, Ellen at least) but together I can't stand them. These last few comics especially because of the constant insistence that hey, Susan and Diane are secret sisters despite every singel character telling them no. Just the constant forcing of the issue.
Much as I'm kind of sick of seeing Sarah pin-ups, I do like the in-comic Sarah/Pandora stuff a lot though. That's way more fun to read but that's largely because Pandora herself is really fun.
I've had a similar thought along those lines ever since Lord Ted was revealed. Just, I wasn't thinking along the line of Susan/Diane.
Interesting possibility. However, there would need to be a canon explanation for the exact time & date & hospital that Diane was born in.
Not impossible ... just needs to be a good explanation, rather than some bullshit.
Example: the universes were so perfectly, closely aligned & parallel that the records from one universe were transposed into the other one and is (almost) undetectable.
The cool thing is that Susan & Diane could be (under such a plot device) the exact same person right down to their genetics. Born to the same mother, even though the two mothers are entirely different people from different universes. And that would help tie up rather neatly the two of them having more or less identical magic affinity.
I'm becoming even more curious as this unfolds as to exactly what Dan has in mind.
>>1028201 I'm still holding my breath for the return of Magus. Mostly because I want to see a resolution to that particular thread. I was disappointed when Sirleck came back and didn't get a chance to banter. His sarcasm and mockery was great in his first appearance.
>>1030218 Right, a lot of doors in the US have two locks - one on the door handle (a twist lock or a button that can be engaged easily before closing the door) and a deadbolt above it. It's not universal, but I CAN NOT BELIEVE THIS IS A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION WHEN WE JUST GOT TEA-SARAH AND RHODA CATGIRL.
So had a thought on that game idea. Suppose magic went ahead and changed up on how magic worked and it causes all kinds of problems. Pandora, true to her word, works with Sarah on trying to master this new magic. Turns out the new magic is sex powered, and everyone needs to start screwing each other in increasingly perverse ways to defeat the vampires or whatever.
>>1033551 She has completely different spells for that.
>>1034296 In America there's almost always a lock on the knob/handle, which prevents it from even turning if it's engaged. Usually there's a secondary lock of some description as well, a deadbolt or a chain.
In the case of the former, it both makes it easy to lock the door as you're leaving, and easy to tell if a door is locked, because the knob itself won't even turn.
...wait, no, that's not quite right. I wouldn't fuck a Tedd. I'd tenderly make love to a Tedd. I'd giggle and joke with a Tedd as we made out, stroking a Tedd's hair, squeezing a Tedd's tushie. Whisper that I wanted this to be special for a Tedd. Guide a Tedd to bed and lay a Tedd down. Kiss and nibble all over a Tedd until a Tedd was good and ready, and only then start peeling clothes off like orange rind. Tenderly coax a Tedd to orgasm, after orgasm, after orgasm, until we were both utterly spent. Pass out in a Tedd's arms. Do it again in the morning, only this time with TF watches involved...
>>1039110 Think of the camwhoreing. She could know exactly what to offer to post to get the most amount of money. "Ebeneezer Scrooge was such a hard-ass tightwad that it took three magical personifications of time to break him. And they only managed that because they knew exactly what weak points to strike with what visitation." Everybody has a price...
>>1039457 Yaknow magic proxies would stand out because they violate internet protocols and the laws of thermodynamics and such, right? If your goal is anonymity, you want your transmissions to stand out as little as possible, besides being obscure to trace. You're better off magically gaining access to a conventionally secure device you can't normally be traced to for that purpose in order to provide an air gap, if you insist on using magic at all. Or just using the mahou shoujo identity protection charm.
While Dan drags out the Susan Answer as long as he can, I wonder which characters can simply snap their fingers and make it happen. If they have the power, do they have the answer? In a different area, with Mr Verres dealing with aliens, what does he have that would identify bodysnatcher replacements? And how would that lead to a Jacuzzi full of Diane duplicates?
>>1046654 The timestop spell with Sarah could become a very perverse game of Foursquare. Killing time waiting for the counter to finish at every section of town. Goto McBurgers, pose naked. Goto Town Hall, moon everyone. Goto the theater at the mall, fool around with the cardboard cutout of that movie star- you know you want to. On the floor, in the lobby, in public. etc
The forums are not currently functioning properly, and I’m asking the hosts at 910CMX about both that and whether the forums should continue being there. There doesn’t seem to be a lot of activity beyond the EGS forums, and while it doesn’t need to be a hustling and bustling place lest I lose street cred, I have a responsibility when calling them the official forums, and that responsibility includes making sure they are receiving regular maintenance and support in every which way necessary. I don’t doubt those at 910CMX care about it and do their best, but lives move ever forward, and if their focus is naturally elsewhere (work, family, etc.), it’s understandable that the forums would lose priority. 910CMX is not their jobs, and they have other things to do. I need it to be someone’s priority if I’m in a position of endorsing it, however, which is why I don’t think I’m going to be linking to it in an official capacity anymore. That doesn’t necessarily mean the forums will be gone; I’m not going to stop them if they want to keep hosting EGS-related forums. On top of the aforementioned issues, however, I feel very separate from the forums (I stopped regularly visiting myself due to how distracting they were to me), and that itself is an issue. I can’t afford to regularly monitor them myself, and while I have entrusted other people with that task, my absence is both necessary and a significant problem. Looking over everything I’ve typed here, I think I’ve already made my decision about whether I should continue linking to it. I’m not thrilled about it, but I think it’s a decision that’s overdue.
>>1050964 >AO3 there's 14 fics for el goonish shive, but they aren't about truth or dare. But do we care more about the truths (which are clearly in the comic) or about the entertainment of the dares we can put them through?
>>1050964 Truth or dare would be serious business with an Immortal playing. You could learn some terrible truths, and become subject to world shattering dares. Kind of like episode 6 of No Game, No Life.
>>1057255 >>1057294 Yeah, Grace doesn't actually have a Nudity Taboo to infringe. Granted, that does mean it could make for interesting reactions from the rest of the characters, but it might still be better to give that Dare to another character.
Maybe something involving her shape-shifting abilities... possibly doppelganger related? "Assume the appearance of Sarah, and then proceed to seduce her while roleplaying as her to the best of your abilities", or something else of that nature?
really dont know why we dont see more of this. its got something for everyone from furfags to plain fags. straight homo furry futa harem clone incest bestiality all that. happy to have found this because grace titties.
I had an idea for a SusanxTedxGrace story or comic once. >Grace blowing Ted >suggests something new. >blindfolds and ties Ted to the bed, hands and feet. >Susan was hiding in closet and comes out. >grace tells Ted that "someone who likes him and is shy" asked for some help. >Susan blows Ted and swallows >Rides him in cowgirl while Grace sits on his face
Yeah, it's cribbed from an old as fuck manga, but fuck it, the premise works. >And the comic NEVER had a goddamn legitimate 3-way...nothing but the same two girls fucking over and over again except the one being screwed while the other watched. Bullshit.
Grace is not bisexual, according to her ... but she very clearly will get intimate with someone she's attracted to no matter what gender she is or what gender the other person is.
I think Dan got a bit too cute about the use of the word "bisexual," at least as it's commonly used in English. If Grace was going to use a word, it might be something like "pansexual," where she's able to enjoy sexual intimacy with another person, regardless of their physical gender.
While Dan had her say she's "not bisexual" in that sequence. by all practical use of the term in our culture & language, she is, in fact, "multisexual," or bisexual, as context occurs.
tl;dr -- Grace bangs girl Ted while she she's a she and, pretty clearly, they have engaged in hot lesbian sex prior to that particular conversation.
I don't think, upon reflection, that >>1057255 Truth to Grace should be phrased exactly like a Yes or No question ... it should be more along the line of "Grace, describe the hottest lesbian sex you've had with Ted, especially what forms you were each in."
Same should apply to "Ellen: describe your hottest masturbation session while Elliot was in the same room with you." Because, for fuck's sake, you already know they both have. They just pretend they haven't noticed each other doing it. Probably.
>>1060907 >she's able to enjoy sexual intimacy with another person, regardless of their physical gender. That sequence is what I was referring to. She tends to be attracted to people the opposite of her current sex in her sudoers file. Hetero-oid. What you claim doesn't match the evidence you site.
>>1061175 I don't recall her being hetero in any sense, I'm not sure what he's talking about there. Being attracted to his masculine mind regardless of form? Not caring about the physical is all I get from her.
>>1063185 An Archive of our Own. Section is El Goonish Shive. Title is "Silly Sexy EGS One Shots." And I will want people to throw ideas at me as long as I'm doing this fic, which will last until the Sergeant Major comes in and declares that it's gotten too silly.
I've been waiting a long, long time now for Heidi and Ashley to go on A Hyperactive Spastastic Adventure. Don't really care if they get lethally caffeinated and rampage the local library, or get lethally caffeinated and rampage a mega sex toy shop.
We're sort of getting this currently in NPS with Cat and Rhoda's Excellent Adventure at the Mall.
But, really. Pull out all the stops and let Heidi lead Ashley astray, and Ashley egg Heidi on. Full dork mode, full-on r34, or all of the above. It just needs to happen.
Truth: (For anyone) Who was the last person, outside of family or significant other(s), who saw you fully nude?
Dare: Use one of the dynamic height-change watches to adjust your height however you choose, and deal with however your clothes end up fitting (don't remove anything!) until it wears off or another dare makes you put on or take off clothes. (Maybe this was one of Tedd's?)
>>1079088 Forgot to add, Dan wrote a mini-fic for that one, too.
Susan has always had issues with physical contact, but she wanted to work on becoming more comfortable with it.
Knowing this, Sarah had a proposition for Susan. She would allow Susan to practice touching her in any way she wants while Sarah remain passive, giving Susan complete control and freedom over the situation. Sarah would, of course, have the option to end the practice session any time she wanted to.
It began slowly, with Susan simply, and hesitantly, touching Sarah's arm. As time went on, however, Susan moved on to reaching under Sarah's shirt to feel her belly, and before she knew it, she was removing clothing to better feel the skin undeneath.
At no point did Sarah object. With each bit of escalation, she only smiled more, delighted with what was happening, and what was to follow as Susan became even more adventurous...
I've spent more than a couple idle hours speculating on Susan's sexuality(what EGS fan hasn't? duh.) I doubt if she's even fully aware of what she wants. Two turning points (in mind) were Grace's birthday party when she was a boy and experimented a bit with girl-Justin. Then she imagined what a date with Cat might have been like, and regretted not doing it.
If this part of the story ever gets explicitly told, I think Susan will end up being slightly more lesbian than bi, but probably still somewhat bi. There was that point where she was trying to imagine if she might be interested in Elliot, as a guy, and she just couldn't make up her mind. In my mind, that was a further tell. If she was really feeling her sexuality and feeling strongly hetero, I'm not convinced she would have backed off the Elliot option so quickly, even with relief. It was like she'd found a good excuse to stay in her closet at that point.
But, who knows. Dan may surprise us.
Sarah being very bi has been a surprising, and cute, development. I wasn't entirely expecting that from her. But now that that train has been set in motion, I'm really interested to see how her date with Sam goes. Just sad that it's clearly going to be a good bit of time before we see that, if we ever get to see it in any detail.
If Dan is really going to do a reasonably in-depth arc on Sarah & Sam getting into a relationship, I'm going to be a very happy fan. It could be THE sleeper relationship of the entire comic, if done right.
>>1079674 There's still that hanging plot thread with whatshisname who was into her - Matt? She won't likely be settling on relationships before that gets thrown back into the works. I get the feeling he'll just instigate something else, though.
On a similar note, Diane / Elliott is going to be an issue before too long... Or he'll sit on it forever maybe. I can only hope it'll end in Elliott x Ashley x Diane as an item.
>>1079088 I like to think Susan took off the rest of Sarah's clothes and started fingering Sarah and Sarah just sat their not-resisting and enjoying the feeling of being used and not fighting against it until she came all of Susan's hand.
>>1079100 >but she wanted to work on becoming more comfortable with it. She has also wanted to explore her potential to be a lesbian with someone she considers a friend, but the opportunity hasn't arisen yet. Do not leave out crucial details.
>>1079088 >>1081163 Okay, I know that the idea that Dan also does EGS-edits has been talked around a lot, but look at these two pictures. Specifically, look at Sarah's right "V-line" (not totally sure what it's called for women).
Can someone more experienced than me in Photoshop say whether this line is indicative of the nude drawing being made from a layer without clothes, or if it still looks like it came from the one with panties on?
>>1087549 I'd love to see Elliotts alts getting up to mischief, whether by being more in control for some reason or splitting off somehow. A possibily yandere version of Elliotts mild mannered persona lewding on Justin could be interesting.
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