You got to be a little gay to handle a gang bang, like think about double stuffed vagina...your rubbing your dicks on another dick in a vagina.
Also sloppy seconds look hot in porns, but can you go full Russian Conscript and go 7/1 on a bitch?
Man, I was just reading some news that Blizzard removed a victory pose Tracer had because some faggot complained that it "was too sexual."
Maybe we should just link them some images from this thread, but then again, they might just remove the character all together!
I WANT TO HAIR-TUSSLE TRACER!
I WANT TO HELP TRACER CONFESS TO WIDOWMAKER!
Tracer ass is now contraband
>posing with your ass to the viewer
THAT'S OFFENSIVE! STOP OBJECTIFYING VIDEO GAME CHARACTERS!! REEEEE!
Bliz didn't cave to any demands though, people were complaining about the pose being too sexual and the devs were like "Yeah we were thinking about changing it anyway". People are stupid for losing their minds over this shit, if you wanna jerk it to tracer so bad just look at porn like the rest of us.
The anger from some people over this is a bit much, granted. But you have to lay down the law with SJW's at some point, though.
FEMALES ARE NOT ALOUD TO BE SEXUAL!
WHAT WOULD MY DAUGHTER THINK ABOUT THIS THREAD?
Her pose really isn't even that bad.
I'm confused by this entire argument.
Like widowmakers is way more "over sexualized"
Tracer hardly has an ass in her pose.
Widowmaker has junk in the trunk.
it was a single person, which makes it even less likely that Blizzard is changing it because of a single complaint
The point is that Widowmaker is SUPPOSED to be a sexy femme fatale.
While Tracer is just the cute and perky main hero-style girl.
It's like, why give Widowmaker a sexy pose? Because she's sexy. Even if she was a male character, she'd still have a sexy pose, because her character is about being sexy. Why give Tracer a sexy pose? There's no reason other than, "Because she's a girl".
For christ's sake, Tracer is fucking 26 years old.
This whole situation is just the same as; whenever a generally innocent or spunky petite girl wants to show a bit of her sexuality, everyone starts slut-shaming her.
All these SJWs are pretty much slut-shaming Tracer.
I though this was meant to be an argument to combat sexism, not encourage it. Fucking SJWs and their FEEEEEELLLLINGS can't even into logic properly
If they really wanted to set a sign, they should keep the pose and change her fucking pants. The pose is 100% in line with her personality, the pants are what makes it fetish fuel. Change them from yoga to running pants and it'd be both fine and fit better with the idea.
This has got to be probably the best Widowmaker video out there to date.
Ball stroking his face? He's getting his dick jerked off by Widowmaker, and will probably get some pussy too, or arse.
I personally would drag my balls through glass just to hear her fart through a walkie-talkie.
Here's the same vid with her visor down:
You can't slut-shame a fictional character, because the character cannot "choose" to wear anything, because they're a fictional fucking character. If a character that doesn't usually act/dress sexy is suddenly acting/dressing sexy, it's not because she randomly decided to be sexually liberated, it's because the person drawing/animating her was horny.
Gotta get that Tracer ass
This is either damage control PR BS or entirely hypocritical.
They designed Tracer. They designed her skin tight leggings, tight enough to reveal her ass crack. They designed those black straps under her ass that further accentuate said ass by marking where her legs end and where her ass begins. If you're not okay with her being oriented in a way that bring those design choices to attention, then you're not okay with her design period.
The Tracer thing might have been a false flag from Blizzard after the Sylvanas debacle. They decided to have the complaint come from the outside, rather than the inside, but fucked it up with being way too enthusiastic about getting rid of the pose. Either way it shows a shift in Blizzards mindset from embracing their juvenile nature to feeling guilt about it. Or being made to feel guilty.
There's definitely a "concern troll" vibe to the whole thing.
Between this and World of Warcraft completely shitting the bed with Warlords of Draenor, I'm done with Blizzard
Usually I understand the concern over content censorship and moral guardians interfering with the creative process, but this one seems like a weird one to get up in arms over.
Judging from the fact that Widowmaker is still in the game as she is, completely unchanged, and everything about Widowmaker is more sexual than Tracer by degrees, I'm inclined to think there really was just internal disagreement over whether the pose fit the character instead of an active attempt to remove the sexy from their game.
Total Biscuit's video making fun of the post is God like.
Now can we please get back to posting porn?
All this stuff is great/sexy.
Just feel a bit guilty for liking this though.
This whole thing is fucking stupid. Fucking neckbeards are getting their panties in a bunch over a pose that was going to be removed anyway. There's still plenty of ass in the game and there's plenty of porn of Tracer. The gameplay is still the same. How the hell do people think this is worth cancelling their pre-orders. It's like fucking Skullgirls all over again. Your fucking "SJW" boogieman isn't destroying muh freedom of speech. People are just going to sit back and laugh at every melodramatic thing you say and call you a manchild.
Amen to that.
The whole situation reminds me of when the mob cried "censorship!" when The Stanley Parable's author decided to patch out a joke people thought was too dark. There's still plenty of burning-babies-levels of dark jokes in the game and that individual joke mattered fuck all to the author, so changing it to a different one that worked better wasn't a problem for him at all - but the mob read all sorts of agendas into the whole thing.
There's virtually nothing inherently sexy from the pose in >>476869. It's a serious case of grasping at straws.
Your argument that it's fine for Widowmaker to be sexy but not for Tracer makes zero fucking sense, at least from a moral standpoint. You've just arbitrarily decided that because she's not as overtly sexual as Widowmaker, she can't ever, ever show even the slightest hint of being sexual.
I'd agree with you if she was wearing a thong and doing some weird body contortion while sensually licking a lollipop, but she's not. It's literally just a shot from behind, and the character has no ass anyways.
Well Tracer is supposed to be basically a superhero both to the characters in the story as well as the players. Like Superman or Spider-Man or something. And those are generally accepted as role model material.
>There's virtually nothing inherently sexy from the pose in >>476869. It's a serious case of grasping at straws.
I have no clue how you can't tell what makes that pose sexy.
Regardless, not only did the person making the complaint see it, but Blizzard themselves admit they were on the fence about it for the same reason. So maybe you should just accept that people see that pose as sexy, and that it doesn't gel with Blizzard's vision of the character.
I'm really not trying to be condescending here but it's important to remember that Tracer isn't a real person with agency to respect or anything. The overwatch characters are extremely simple and that was intentional. They're merely symbols, aesthetic archetypes. Widowmaker is sexy because her entire concept is a sexy femme fatale while Tracer is more akin to a spunky girl scout.
The problem with Tracer's pose is that it doesn't show off her character very well. It's identical to Widowmaker and the characters have nothing in common besides being girls with asses. I can understand a creative change from that direction. Where Blizzard fucked up is implying that the change was at least partially made to be PC which in this gaming climate was destined to blow up and cause a shitstorm.
Anyway I'm surprised this wasn't posted yet.
I'm largely proud of you for understanding this situation at an adult level, /aco/, and not just going HURBLBURBLE SJWS
Tracer is a goofy character, so a "sexy" pose with a sorta sultry seductress over the shoulder look doesn't really work for her
Widowmaker plays on her own danger and sexiness, she's like Molotov Cocktease, she "gets it" and so the pose makes sense.
Tracer is more or less a goofy kid
It's uninspired, though. It's like they wanted an over-the-shoulder pose for Tracer but couldn't figure out how to do it; her face doesn't really have any specific expression yet she's sticking out her butt a little like they, at one point, considered making it a sexy pose but backed off at the last minute.
Honestly, I'd like to see them replace it with something that's overall more polished... whether that's just a plain, hand-on-hips confident over the shoulder look, or a more energetic pose where she's clearly trying to be a bit of a tease (while being goofy about it, naturally.)
Fuck, I think I found my favorite new board. Every other board would have people flaming it all to help because one person saw a thing that wasn't there kink. /s/ had a crossfit thread recently that predictably devolved into questioning poster's sexuality, cause if they like fit girls why not just fuck a dude, as if that even makes any sense
Well yeah, I would agree with you, personally, but like someone else said, it felt like they were sorta halfway lurching towards a sexy pose but didn't commit, and what we ended up with was a pose that just didn't fit the character very well or belong.
That's clearly a matter of opinion.
But in the end, your individual opinion doesn't matter, because it is not actually about ANY one individual person's opinion. It is about communicative intent.
Clearly Blizzard wants to communicate certain aspects of a character through Tracer, and the over the shoulder pose creates a degree of ambiguity and mixed reception among a significant number of the audience that the pose is ultimately ineffective as a way to communicate Tracer as a character.
The characters in the game only have so much space to be expressed, and that space must be used with complete clarity. This over the shoulder pose is just clutter.
Okay guys, we get it. It happened and not a lot of us like it, but what's done is done. Move on.
Ironically, yes? I mean we see it all the time, with women having a choice between nun or slut, and constantly having to protect their image.
Might actually just reflect the sad fact that so long as people don't allow for women to have a spectrum of existence beyond 'whore you see in porn' and 'boring unsexy feminist', they probably would feel that they need to fight to keep Tracer from objectification.
Also to all those people using the 'she is a killer' argument, I find that hilarious given how many role models for men are literally those who do nothing but kill people. Women might actually want a desexualized female killer as a role model because it symbolizes power...kind of like most male role models who kill people without being overtly sexualized.
>Fucking neckbeards are getting their panties in a bunch
And in this post, you're not? I've been over the removed pose for a while now, but really, your panties sound as bunched up as anyone else's here with this post.
Just saying. We're debating about a single pose when we COULD be posting the rapidly growing amount of Overwatch porn and fap our troubles away.
Not sure if I'll be able to handle Tracer's vast Britishness, tee bee aitch.
best girl comin through
This isn't a long running comic where we explore the character in great depth, it's one of a limited handful of poses in a video game.
Maybe in a spin-off short we could see Tracer being sexy or whatever but in the space of the game you need to use it efficiently and if "sexy" isn't a primary aspect of Tracer's character then you're just wasting space with it when you could use it for something else. And if you insist on wasting space with it then what does that say about how you see Tracer? That's a valid question that any creator and designer needs to consider as being asked of their work and if the answer to that is bad and yes possibly misogynist then it is better for them to not needlessly take that risk when they could be going for an overall better, more streamlined presentation of the character.
>story in of tracer r34 art and SFM content
>literally only two pics of her using her time abilities to fuck/rape people or give them spontaneous orgasms.
C'mon pornmakers, get a little fucking creative, will you?
I feel you on that one. Time stop is one of my favorite porn sub-categories
Anyone have the high res webm of this?
bruh, you don't think you're reading a little too deeply into a rather simplistic shooter game? I really don't think leaving the pose in would have caused so much controversy. A few people complained. If anything, it caused controversy by removing, by causing both sides on this to start going full autist on it. It's just a pose where her butt's showing, it ain't that deep, love.
No you don't get it. The sjw tumblrina libs are cucking our vidya!
>The sjw tumblrina libs are cucking our vidya!
1/10, not enough buzzwords. Nice webm, though.
>a pose that was going to be removed anyway.
We don't know that, in fact I'm convinced that you either had the situation told to you or you have serious trouble with reading comprehension.
>bruh, you don't think you're reading a little too deeply into a rather simplistic shooter game?
You didn't read a thing I wrote and assumed I was being "deep" just because I wrote a lot of words.
When in fact everything I wrote was SPECIFICALLY about how the game IS simple and THAT'S why these kinds of changes are important especially from a design perspective.
> I really don't think leaving the pose in would have caused so much controversy. A few people complained. If anything, it caused controversy by removing, by causing both sides on this to start going full autist on it.
Okay, listen, mate.
This doesn't feel like a response to my post. It's like you saw the last line and responded only to the last part of it. The point isn't to prevent any and all controversy. The point is to prevent a specific sort of controversy that they don't intend to have. They know what they're getting into when they make a design change like this. They don't want to deal with any backlash that may happen with keeping the ass pose, because the ass pose isn't important enough to Blizzard to defend, especially when any possible defense they could make would only expose lines of thoughts that they don't necessarily endorse. Get it?
Fuck /aco/ only has 3mb ipload limit. Even /gif/s higher limit is way too small for posting a lot of good stuff.
it was more likely that they just didnt want a problem in the usa from people giving them bad press since our society endorses people crying over nothing so taking it out means nothing. oh sure some complaints but those people will get over it and enjoy the game where the ones who complained would continue to make a big deal out of nothing if it stayed.
Have you seen Symmetra or Widowmaker? There's still plenty of sexuality to their characters that were intended to be sexy. D.Va literally has a pose flirting with the camera while laying on her back on top of her mech. It's okay to want some sexiness from Tracer, but it's wrong to misunderstand their logic when they explain why Tracer was the only one who got a change.
It really isn't. No matter how I look at it, it's a simple result of physique and costume design. Sultry? Seductive? Those require more distinct mannerisms than just 'have a visibly tight ass,' regardless of how prominent said ass is. It's like walking behind a woman with skinny jeans and a fat ass. She's not trying to seduce me, that's just how she looks. It's a horribly dull pose, and would still be tremendously dull even on Widowmaker, because of how bland the fucking thing is.
It's insane the discussion this has created. I'm more upset at how little fucking effort is in these poses than how well they 'fit the character.'
Even d.va has meatier r34 ffs
Trigger warning, adding fuel to the fire, etc.
dude do you not think male characters aren't over-sexualized in... uh... i dunno.... fucking everything? Superman, Batman, He-Man, James Bond, to name a few? Holy shit it isn't even an erotic pose. So are we supposed to think of fully grown adult women as inherently prudish unless they have a sexualized archetype? How 2D do you see the world? SJW's think they're unifying society but really they're just confusing everybody with this contradictory bullshit.
EVERY fucking character HAS the pose, they didnt make it just for tracer to be sexy, you fucking retards dont see that. YOU are the ones sexualising a character, YOU ARE THE ONES WITH A PROBLEM, the rest of the world,WOMEN included does not..
That's the point, You Stupid fucking spic Kill Yourself you feminist pig lyke write now
who cares about the pose, post more art
More in the link. Solid stuff to be quite honest with you, familia.
Am I the only one that want to see Mei and Velma go at it together?
Also check out this great widowmaker vid done by Pestilence
Thanks, Anon. There's some good stuff here.
When all is said and done, the change and the shitstorm around it was completely pointless. Had no one called attention to the pose, whether or not Blizzard changed it would have gone completely unnoticed.
Do I think that the pose needed to be changed? No, it had little to do with the game and was likely an issue on Blizzards back-burner. Of no one called it out they may not have changed it at all.
Is it ok they they did change it? Yes, it's their character, their game, their choice.
The only part of it that is truly absurd is that people went ape-shit. It just doesn't matter.
Only guy I know so far who has made a shred of SFM of her.
Except the whole thing is backwards. Aren't feminists supposed to be trying to break down the Madonna-Whore complex, not utterly reinforcing it? Treating Widowmaker as a slutty lost cause not worth fighting over or Tracer as an innocent good girl incapable of showing even the slightest hint of sexuality is exactly that.
And what male role model killers are you talking about that don't get sexualized? They don't get sexualized by men usually for very obvious reasons, but they certainly do by women. Power fantasies and the sexual ideal are not mutually exclusive things.
I don't doubt that they were contemplating the removal before anyone said anything, but Jeff could have fucking mentioned that since when the topic arose since it's extremely pertinent information. Something to the effect of "We were already thinking about canning the pose." Instead he went full "Sorry for offending you, it's gone now," the absolute worst response he could have given and the fact that happened really does make the subsequent message look like nothing but PR damage control.
Love this. So true.
Also, maybe they only started this now because it's for the publicity. We came to this thread for one thing, yet even I am posting about the topic. Hmmmmmmm also, I see most of us agree there's nothing wrong, but arguing about other things in relation.
I feel there's nothing sexual about the pose, it's slightly "playful" if anything. which fits the character. Also, a lot of innocent seeming women/men are quite the opposite.
But yeah, I'm done with this for now, I'll come back after some drawing. See if this goes anywhere.
Outside of Tracer and Widowmaker, there's certainly a lack of diveristy for Overwatch girls, so I hear you there. Can't hurt for the SFM folks to start mixing in other Overwatch girls. That being said, I'll never get tired of seeing Widowmaker.
SFM artist: http://applebeingsfm.tumblr.com
There isn't that much diversity for Overwatch chicks to begin with. People care way too much about them to let Blizzard be creative at all.
I mean, right from the get go you had hypersensitive twats bitching over Widow's perky cleavage, combat heels and totally misogynist purple booty while on the other side trolls were whining over how turbodyke Zarya's physique and haircut were supposedly due to straight Tumblr pandering.
I mean, thrown in something like Snektits from XCOM2 and you've instantly doubled the female diversity in Overwatch. They're all strictly human looking for some reason.
>right from the get go you had hypersensitive twats bitching over Widow's perky cleavage, combat heels and totally misogynist purple booty while on the other side trolls were whining over how turbodyke Zarya's physique and haircut were supposedly due to straight Tumblr pandering.
I fucking hate my generation's over-sensitivity. What an embarrassment. If Blizzard had completely remade Widowmaker's character design because of what a couple feminists said, I might've lost it.
Sounds about right. I like how the "father" did not complain about Widowmaker. Bioware did this bullshit too. They make a forum post pretending to be someone else and signal everyone to get their good boy points.
Yeah, nobody fucking wins in that debate.
If it's one thing it's tumblr whining a hole in reality, if it's another thing it's impotent bitches here flailing about like fucking GamerGate
You must not know much about GG then because the person you're responding to is very sympathetic to it.
It's rather cute actually. Almost like someone told her how sexy she actually is (around the 3 second mark) and she's super shy about it from being overlooked so much.
Pretty much. The major contention comes from the way the situation was handled instead of the pose itself. It can be argued whether or not it was too sexual for her character but Blizzard as the creator gets last say.
However if they were truly considering removing it (and I think they probably were, you don't remove assets for just one person no matter how much they line up with your thinking) then it would have been appropriate for Jeff to mention that in his first reply to the thread complaining about the pose. Instead he made it look like they were removing the pose because it was offensive. The subsequent message explaining they were already planning on removing it just ends up looking like PR damage control because that extremely important info was omitted from the initial post for some boneheaded reason.
Tell me your secrets, Widow ass.
/aco/ is chill until the futa arguments start at least.
This just made me think of that episode of Dexter's Lab, where he slows down time to finish some homework, and ends up setting it on fire because he was moving too fast...
I was watching an Overwatch youtube video when this image appeared, it's censored. I can't find the source at all, anyone know where this is from?
Oh my fucking god, that video made me think Ster_ may be browsing these threads
Hi Ster, love the streams.
>All these pics featuring widow's ass
>none with the visor down and the ass even larger
jesus christ you're stupid. Tracer is a FICTIONAL character. She was posed that way because a team of men chose to pose her that way. It was clearly showing off her ass and is totally out of place in the game.
Batman, Superman, and James Bond aren't sexualized. They're meant to be male fantasies. Men are supposed to picture themselves as batman or james bond, which is actually fine. It's normal to want to relate to a character. The problem comes when a female character is made simply as a sex object, and nothing more. Once developers introduce sexualized poses in games, the female characters start to simply become sex objects, which is NOT what the developers wanted for Tracer. That's why they took out the pose.
Anti-Sjws always say that SJWs get offended over everything, but then suddenly turn into whiny five year olds as soon as the creator of a game decides to take away their cartoon butt pose.
It was a pose that matched 3 other characters, one that's ostensibly a femme fatale and two that were men. There was nothing deliberately sexual about the pose, she was simply displayed from behind (as she is in game, mind you).
The hubub is that a female character with a disarming personality (bubbly and energetic in her case) was seen as suddenly sexual by somebody. The view that this is offensive is in itself sexist as it boils down to the assertion that certain types of women are not allowed to be even the tiniest bit sexy.
As we can see both genders are sexualized, each in their own way. Grills are the only ones who freak out about it.
Are these supposed to be examples of male objectification? These are examples of male fantasies - what manly men should look like according to straight men, characterized by strong, harsh, angular features and massive, almost tumor-like muscles meant to emphasize power. Jesus just look at Batman's legs. Women prefer their animated men with softer features, leaner builds, and especially a bubble butt.
This one's lady eyecandy though.
She didn't have a sexualized pose though, it's not like she was sticking out her ass. She was shown from behind (as she is in game), looking over her shoulder with her guns out. If you had to isolate what was seemingly the most problematic part of the pose I'm sure you'd say it's her butt (if you'll excuse the assumption) which is a result of her wearing tights. That's a model issue, not a pose issue. Wearing tights makes sense for a goesfast character, and the bright, eye-catching color matches her personality.
Batman and Superman are as naked as Catwoman and Poison Ivy are. They're all naked figures of the human ideal with colorful suits painted on. Women frequently objectify what you're describing as the male power fantasy.
Being sexualized and being powerful are not mutually exclusive. They can be either/or to two different people or even both at once to the same person. Being sexy often comes right along with being powerful. The same logic that lends itself to power fantasies also pertains to the desire to play attractive characters that confidently own and flaunt their sexuality.
Demarcating the two concepts as if they aren't tied in many instances is just eschewing half the picture in context to support a biased agenda that splits fandoms apart on gender lines. Tracer's personality was already established. She's a fan favorite for it. Arguing that one suggestive pose represents a danger of her being reduced to nothing but a sex object is ironically reinforcing the Madonna-Whore complex that feminism claims to want to dismantle. To them Widwomaker ends up the designated eye candy, so she gets to be sexy and that's all her personality will ever be while Tracer is the woman with agency, so she doesn't get to be sexy lest she become a slut and nothing but a sex object. The original complaint about the pose was more regressive than anything that came after it.
Though in the end the contention was always about the way Jeff handled the criticism by seemingly bending over for one person's complaints while ignoring countless others with contrary opinions. And as it turned out, the pose was only enhanced, taking on the exact look of a '50s pinup model.
Lastly, labeling anti-SJWs pushing back against rampant SJWs as the true offended is like criticizing someone being violent with an armed home invader.
I'm sure you speaking for all men and all women is in no way incorrect. nuh uh No way at all.
It's literally a pin-up pose.
Well played, blizzard
They just recently replaced the pose with an even more sexual pinup girl pose.
I first thought Blizzard was being a sjw slave too but then they released this
fanporn existing is not the same as an out of character pose being in-game. i don't play overwatch or even care but from what i've heard, it wasn't about the pose being overly sexual; it was about such a pose not fitting into tracer's character and thus only being there as a way to stare at her ass. i mean really, did blizzard remove all the oversexualized poses from the game? shit, even the pose they replaced it with isn't unsexualized, but that was never the problem. the problem was blizzard lazily giving their spunky girl the same pose as everyone else insstead of something energetic.
fucking plebs ignoring the nuance of life and shit just grinds my gears. fucker.
If Blizzard intentionally did the buttpose just to see the SJWs reactions and from that make an even more offensive pose just for them to be more salty about, I'll take back everything I said about them and regain instant respect.
The father who made the complaint indeed hinged his argument on it not fitting her character, but precisely because it was too sexual and in his mind Tracer is above and beyond such petty things. He then went on to imply a straight "think of the children!" argument where he despaired of what his young daughter might pick up from Tracer's ass being in a victory pose.
It's nothing but the sense of sexuality being wrong and exploitative rearing its head once more. He's only fine with Widowmaker because people like him failed to have her toned down or removed and thereafter abandoned any hope of her being anything but a sex object despite her sexuality not being the entirety of her personality or characterization.
To people like this, showing any amount of sexuality results in an instant transformation into a sexual object so any attempts at character depth must eschew it. It's a puritanical idea that characters can be sexy or deep, but never both in differing degrees at the same time. It's one of the most unhealthy messages he could possibly send to his daughter.
Another full shot since that one failed.
Ok, that's hilarious.
Also, when he turned her around like that, you can really see the character design is inspired by Masamune Shirow's Cyril Brooklyn character.
And that's a GOOD thing. :) I might have to buy this :D
>Women prefer their animated men with softer features, leaner builds, and especially a bubble butt.
I will never not laugh at that argument
>Women prefer their animated men with softer features, leaner builds, and especially a bubble butt.
No, they prefer their men with chiseled, angular features, broad shoulders, and a chiseled butt.
Where are you getting your idea on what women like in their sexual objectification? You described what they want in their shipping.
That's not the same thing.
I really dont understand my sudden attraction to Tracer. I usually only enjoy real people porn, but I can't stop touching myself to this woman.
>I really dont understand my sudden attraction to Tracer.
>which is NOT what the developers wanted for Tracer. That's why they took out the pose.
Wrong, they put in place a much sexier posed based on a sexy pin up.
The reason it was taken out was because it was too simple.
>Women prefer their animated men with softer features, leaner builds, and especially a bubble butt.
So like Nightwing?
At first I thought he was black now that you two brought it up he looks closure to Hispanic which would explain the other Sinco Damio like skin
oh god muh dick