>>1535300 I got some slots this month COLORED SKETCH halfbody/knees up - 15 USD (next character +10) fullbody - 20 USD (next character +15) FULLCOLOR halfbody/knees up - 30 USD (next character +15) fullbody - 35 (next character +20) background - depending on complexity 5-15
>>1535300 I'm really new to commissions but would like to be put to work right away! Prices are very flexible since I'm so new. What network do people usually pay on? I'd prefer Venmo but I'll set up whatever you want.
[email protected] sfw drawings will be quicker for me since I can draw them around other people. >>1535656 Had to delete it because of a typo, but yeah I figured that. What would you say is the biggest issue?
>>1535684 Splatoon is a nice style, but do some figure/gesture drawings and studies of real people first. Right now you should take requests and participate in draw threads, rather than ask for money. Good luck, anon!
>>1535662 Well a lot of this is inferred, so by all means correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears to me that you simply don't have control of lines yet. Like, just a random example, you went down to the underwear and tried drawing parallel stripes, and they came out like rock strata. You clearly don't know the first thing about hands if you think that's where the thumb goes when you make a fist. The angles and shapes of the limbs seem to be random, and the lineart makes a lot of waves and uneven marks that show you were hesitating all along, and/or not in control. Basically, for lack of a better term, it looks like a kid drew it. This is what we call "naive art". You have to practice more before you'll actually be at a point where we can give proper critique. Don't you dare give up though. I can already see potential since you have a few basic things down like symmetry and a good torso shape. And the improvement in basic control is going to come a lot faster than you think. Just keep bustin' that tablet out day after day
>>1535844 if you dont trust each other, you can go half before and half after. if the artist is trusted but the customer isn't (the usual situation since the artist is a lot easier to publically call out), just pay after the sketch is done, before working on finishing it >>1535836 ... would you by any chance want some of us to.. suggest ideas to you of things we'd like to draw? and then, because it's something we like and/or are good at already, it'll take less time, so we can give a discount?
>>1535864 oh, even better. You give a vague request and see what comes out In that situation though it's best to pick an artist you like, who does similar stuff, and just ask if they're into it. Most artists I think are happy to take a vague commission. Especially if you give a budget, like how much elephant anal can you give me for 30 bucks?
does no other board have threads like these? no pixel art on /vg/? no cute chibis on /c/?
>>1535853 has anyone ever been threatened with lies? I would imagine that's a thing somewhere at least once give me art or I'll say you jipped me/ give me money or I'll say you burned me- kind of stuff?
>>1535780 I'd say for me at least, it's pretty much what >>1535795 said, it's entirely too addictive to have a measure of control over whatever porn or risque bit of work you ask for, the delicious torture of waiting for results, the exploration of going around to try new artists with different styles, watching things develop and working with the artist (if they're one that's good to work with), and the finally that bit of pride and ego-stroking that comes with realizing that without you and your artist, that particular picture wouldn't exist, not in the way it does.
That's the way I look at it, anyway. It's going to be hell when I inevitably have to fight off the urges to commission so much and slow it down. Thankfully doing some commissions of my own helps keep me at a steady rhythm.
>>1535844 It seems to me that in a lot of cases, the best way to do something is to have an artist go do a sketch and stop at a certain point, so that they haven't committed much time potentially wasted, should the commissioner conveniently vanish, then ask for payment before completion. Whether the payment is full or a half-now half later deal is it's own debate, and pretty much every method has its pros and cons that could go either way for either side.
>>1535919 I have to wonder if there's been plenty of charge-backs on commissioned artwork that comes from someone making an impulse purchase, jerking it, and then realizing what they've done and taking the sleazy way out.
>>1535947 Chargebacks would be quite scummy. Usually when I get a sketch/lineart back for something I commissioned in the heat of the moment, it's mostly a "oh well, could be money better spent elsewhere" feeling
>>1535948 I mean, this is also a thread for commissioners so it's my duty as a fellow one to warn people
>>1535953 Well, it does probably happen though. A few threads ago people were talking about how more than a few artists were getting chargebacks from a guy who had commissioned a lot of people for a bunny-boy trap or something and was doing that.
I got a few commissions I kinda-sorta regret, but they're still paid and just serve as, at worst, failed experiments.
Even the scam I suffered was a learning experience, sad as it was.
>>1535896 I get those from a few people once in a while, and I think I'd get them more except they're holding out for me to do them for free, since i still do once in a while. Like a picture I did for me, but is probably just what they were going to pay for.
>>1535939 I had someone just say there was something slightly off about my sketch, they weren't sure what, but didn't want to go ahead with paying for it right now.. instead they asked what they should pay for just the sketch. Very polite. I had no idea what to charge, but it DID cost me some time so I took their money. bout a quarter of what the finished product would have been >>1535919 This is also something wise men have recommended for ages as a way to avoid sexual immorality. If you stop caring about something after jerking off, it's probably not worth devoting yourself to
>>1535947 There's one person who is supposedly infamous for it, a half dozen people in here reported he burned them.. but he didn't chargeback on me, and he just recently did another commission in here and didn't chargeback that guy (right?) so I guess he's changed his ways. I say we just let it go, as that will provide incentive for other scammers to stop too.
>>1535939 >>1535947 I know paypal doesn't protect against chargebacks for lack of proof but what about the half now half later method? surely you can argue that was intentional trickery. maybe without even detailing what the commission was
>>1535953 how often does this happen? I'd hate to be a client's regret
>>1536005 >since i still do once in a while it sounds nice to surprise frequents with shit, but not sure how it'd work out. does one just pull up suddenly and say "here"? what if they don't appriciate it? or hated being contacted over that? how do you do it without them expecting it to be a routine guarenteed thing? as it is supposed to be a chance gifting
>>1536090 Yes that would be justice (quadruple actually), but what we're talking about here is mercy. it can really get shit done for the people who are worried about coming clean for that exact reason.
>>1536113 >(quadruple actually) no, proper amount. paying once to right your wrong, and a second time for being a dick in the first place. 'double punishment' is suitable for most situations. heck, that's how fines work except those are 10x more extreme.
>mercy you get that when you atone. you atone by atoning.
>it can really get shit done for the people who are worried about coming clean for that exact reason. they should also do the same then. you can't really expect trust when you broke it and haven't done anything to remedy it
>>1536057 I don't know how chargebacks work to be honest, I've never tried to refund anything, even the one I've paid for now that's gone two months with barely any viable contact with the artist.
Person came through these threads shilling themselves a long time ago, had rosemary as their name, seemed like a cute style and quick results, got in contact with them and even got offered a Buy-two-get-one-free kind of deal on their prices. Delivered something that could be considered half a sketch, disappeared.
Checked in on them later, said they had personal issues, lost a job and lost my details and restarted, same issue, they re-did the initial pic and sent half a sketch then vanished.
About a month or so back, someone with a different name (yet still containing the word rosemary in the name, if not the contact address) shows up shilling themselves and with a story about needing money fast for something, style looks exactly like the ones I was supposed to be getting. Get in contact, make an oblique reference to them being the same person. They started to get aggressive/defensive, and since I'm not all that confrontational, I just drop it and write off the 30 bucks as a loss.
It's my one truly "bad" experience in a year of commissioning, though, so that's something.
>>1536145 yeah but that means 50/50 odds. you either gain X bucks or you lose X bucks. I think people would take that chance. the torah says you charge thieves 4 times what they stole, and force them to work it off if they can't. that sounds like justice to me. and no, you can't only give out mercy to the atoneful. Sometimes you have to just.. yknow? give mercy, knowing full well that you might need it yourself someday, when YOU don't deserve it. Oftentimes someone has to go first.
>>1536146 Haha yeah that happened to me too. The look on their ... text.. when you insinuate it's the same person.. >>1536151 oh you're talking about from the artist's POV? naw, what I meant by doing it for free is that's something I was going to draw anyway, just.. to draw. like I draw that fanart sometimes because I like it. and so, while that stuff is a good thing to commission from me because i'm sure to give you a discount, it's also a smart bet to just wait for me to do some on my own, if you were planning on giving a blank "just draw this character doing whatever" commission
>>1536151 >>1536158 Actually had that happen to me, making friends with and constantly commissioning an artist earned me a birthday sketch and a get well sketch at two different times.
I wonder how many other artists would do that sort of thing, if they had a repeat customer that had been with them for a while and knew the kind of thing they'd like. Guess it would depend on business and how many "regulars" they had.
>>1536171 >yeah but that means 50/50 odds. you either gain X bucks or you lose X bucks. ??
>the torah says you charge thieves 4 times what they stole, and force them to work it off if they can't. that sounds like justice to me. atoning is atoning
>and no, you can't only give out mercy to the atoneful. Sometimes you have to just.. yknow? give mercy, knowing full well that you might need it yourself someday, when YOU don't deserve it. I'd never expect mercy without having done my part. that's awful kind of you anon, but not really a requirement to be that forgiving. it's the most fair for you to give AND take trust.
>>1536191 I'm just reminded of the story of the guy who owed like a million bucks, begged not to get sold into slavery, and had his debt forgiven.. then he quickly ran out and grilled someone who owed HIM money (significantly less) and didnt give that fucker a bit of mercy. kind of understandable since he was probably worried about getting as much as he could, in case this happens again, but.. also a dick. you've gotta give mercy if you ever expect to get it. and if you always demand everything you're owed, you'll get what's coming to you. The whole point of an eye for an eye is to remind you once in a while to cut people slack. iiin any case, do the math with me. If all you pay back is double what you stole, that means you only lost as much as you previously gained. The first half, you break even, then the second half you're now in the red as much as your victim was. So that's not even double-or-nothing. Those are pretty good odds for desperate people
>>1536172 Besides the obvious of "affordable and quick," my favorite type of artists are the friendly and sociable ones, that don't mind shooting the shit if they're free, that will build a rapport with you.
I understand with some that commissioning is a business to them and they treat it as such, and there's probably incentive to not get comfy/attached/whatever with a person coming to you for a fetish drawing and such, but being too formal and clinical with the whole thing puts me off a bit. I'd like for an artist to enjoy drawing my thing to some degree beyond it being a paycheck, so those types of artists tend to make me feel like I'm bothering them with my commission.
>>1536172 I like when a client knows exactly what why want, that helps me to deliver a product they will like. I also like if a new client reads my commission info and rules (alot dont). I also like returning clients since they already know how i work and i already know what they like and how they want things done.
>>1536212 I try to mix it up a little. if I'm being clinical, that's what I'm doing instead of cringing. Just trying to treat your fetish like it's no more embarrassing than having a favorite color.. but at the same time I'm not gonna be like WHOA, RED! I love that color too!
>>1536219 I guess all I'm seeing is this guy who may have taken the first step in being good, appropos of nothing, without getting any kind of promised reward or forgiveness... and I'd like him to continue with that. If the reaction he gets to scamming cessation is "oh no you don't, that's not good enough, we won't let you off the hook until X " then he's not going to bother, is he?
>>1536921 psst. part of having an unhealthy fixation on someone is seeing them everywhere and thinking nobody but them could possibly be opposing you in any way. It's not a big conspiracy, anon. It's just you being a little more bothered than you oughtta be, and us wanting to just have a thread. If red does anything, we'll see it. We're not blind, and red is a really obvious color that you can't miss.
>>1537485 That's really cute, and reminds me of some shit a friend of mine used to draw pretty sure it's against the rules though. good luck! >>1537503 honestly most of the ones I see are semi-cool shit like SHADOW DAYSTAR and whatnot. I assume this one is a character this kid has had since she saw all dogs go to heaven, hence the last name.
>>1537682 desu I'd think it was some sort or mistake and ask them about it. after learning it was just cause they liked me/their service I'd be elated. both a real honor and always happy to know others appriciated my efforts. probably make my whole week
>>1537682 it's happened before. It's rare, but most of the time they phrase it as 'you deserve a little more for this' Or I once had this guy that paid fucking double whatever I asked, and the unspoken agreement was when he did that I'd stop what I was doing and do it right away. It paid better than my actual remote job at the time. He eventually kinda got into financial trouble though, after giving me like 400 bucks in a few months, so I think I feel a little guilty about that.
>>1537754 I don't think they'll bother to investigate what you draw unless someone tips them off. ...Or possibly they might take an interest if there's something strange with your numbers. So that's one incentive to be diligent as fuck when doing your taxes, I suppose!
>>1537771 Even before that becomes a concern, you REALLY shouldn't be taking gift payments for commissions because Paypal can and will shit all over you if they catch you doing it. And they should never know exactly what you're getting paid for, since, again, they'll shit all over you if they catch you peddling smut over their service.
So basically, if you're breaking their rules, they'll shut you down themselves long before it comes to the govt' s attention. :V
>>1537895 Unless they've changed their tos since last I heard about it (and I admit I'm too lazy to check if that's the case), they do not allow buying or selling porn using the service. I obviously don't know how many people have got booted for doing it, but it's an issue people have reported having if they've been too explicit about what the art depicts. Or maybe they're just full of shit and lied about it for ???? reasons, who knows!
>>1537775 I don't know if this helps any, but from what I remember last time I looked to see if PayPal was going to need to be looked at concerning tax return time, it said something about not being necessary until 20,000 dollars a year or over 200 payments that year, so...I dunno.
I do a lot more buying than getting paid myself, so I hope the only concern I might have is whether the recent payments of two separate 200 dollar commissions I did within about a week of each other is anything to worry about.
(Course, I also get paranoid whenever the odd commissioner or artist wants a "friends and family" payment done, giving or receiving. Thought I heard that PayPal gets suspicious about too many of those or seriously high payments done that way.)
>>1537754 i feel like if the government's not providing any kind of support for my income source, any kind of regulation or insurance or any of the usual stuff they give you in exchange for working, they aren't entitled to a cut. i'm essentially doing this wholly without them. so until paypal tells me they're notifying the gov, i'm keeping it. it's bad enough self-employed people have to pay tax on 4 digits of income while the rest have to have 5
>>1537778 >>1537924 as long as you keep them in the dark, how are they to know you dont get that many gifts? >>1537975 it's wayyy below 20k a year, even for normal income it's like 16k, but for self-employed I wanna say it's like 600. and the tax is a flat 15%, so you're pretty much fucked.
>>1538008 The flipside of them being so huge that they can basically give us the finger and we have to take it because they're sort of the only game in town is that there's too many of us for them to bother policing us all. Unless something happens like youtube where a bigger, more powerful entity sits on them and demands action, at which point they'll surely put a cheap automated thing in place that drives their customers off in droves, but they'll just write the loss of revenue off to the same government that allowed it, then.. we're probably fine from basic herd immunity
>>1538389 >thumbnail Whoa, this looks pretty hot >close up I thought Moon over June ended
naw it's not that bad, but this still is not very attractive. The fact that they have opposite facial deformities doesn't mean they complement each other. Is the torso to leg ratio intentional? Is that like a fetish thing? Steatopygia kinda shit?
>>1538394 >I thought Moon over June ended >naw it's not that bad >The fact that they have opposite facial deformities doesn't mean they complement each other Ouch. I drew them pretty basic, I think. The redhead has a small nose and a big forehead while the brunette is someone's OC with, I guess, ideal features. The commissioner didn't complain about the faces at all, other than wanting his OC to have a smirk instead of sticking her tongue out. As for the redhead, they said her face was perfect, so... go figure. If the person paying says it ain't broke and it looks fine to me, I don't waste time changing it.
>Is the torso to leg ratio intentional? Is that like a fetish thing? Yes. I always do these proportions. Torso is roughly 2 heads long, legs are roughly 4 heads long. Also the person's OC has an intentionally large ass as well and I can see how it might look weird to somebody else - it's intentional.
>>1538420 The problem with the legs is not their length, but rather their mass, especially on the girl on the right side. I mean, those legs are wider than the torso itself, which is certainly abnormal.
The faces in my opinion are okay, but another bit of criticism I'd give you is that the background color blends in with the skin tone and hair color of the characters in the foreground. You should apply more contrast between fore and background.
>>1538498 >but rather their mass, especially on the girl on the right side. I mean, those legs are wider than the torso itself, which is certainly abnormal Just as I pointed out, it's the customer's OC's design that I drew. I'm not comfortable talking about other people's characters so I'll just leave it at that.
>>1538514 >how the hell is that a thing welfare state. they consider you your own employer and employers are required to set money aside for social security and welfare and shit. When they voted that in, they thought they would only be inconveniencing 'biig evil executives' nevermind what happens when you make hiring a worker even more of a liability for a company
>>1538525 google wallet, aside from being google, seems to be the best alternative to paypal, and i think if it gets bigger we'll see paypal having to eat some of their words >>1538549 and i'm sure on the statement it says something else
>>1538740 You have to use your real name, but you can then set up a business account and name it whatever you want. Your business name is what's going to be shown to your clients in invoices and stuff.
>>1537997 >as long as you keep them in the dark, how are they to know you dont get that many gifts? Obviously they will look for anything like "payment for..." in the notes, but failing that, I suppose they'd look for patterns in the senders and receivers' accounts. Plus, it's not entirely unlikely that they can find your commission details by googling your email address, unless you've made a point of only ever putting it on images.
>>1536325 Just an update. Here are samples showcasing nsfw pieces as well as some styles experimentation. If you wanna toony and cute porn, just hit me up . http://imgur.com/a/MOabb It's ordered from recent to old .
Trying to get back into commissions, my financial situation has changed and I am very willing to work my ass off.
If you're looking for MILF, shortstack, Thicc/chubby girls, that's what I do best, but will absolutely take other requests. All fetishes generally accepted apart from the 'no', but please specify what you want beforehand.
>>1535939 Personally I don't consider commissioning any artist that doesn't work like this. I've been burned once before where the payment was asked for upfront and upon delivery it was completely different than what I requested, with massive details omitted. I was then told that if I wanted edits I'd have to pay extra to have them done. Total garbage.
That being said, if I've commissioned an artist a few times already and they've delivered well, I'll probably pay upfront because there's already a rapport and trust built. I know own they'll do good and I'm a lot more willing to give leway with whatever they might want to add or.change about the request. But first impressions are really important to these things.
>>1541859 >upon delivery it was completely different than what I requested, with massive details omitted. I was then told that if I wanted edits I'd have to pay extra to have them done. huh wha? so they accepted but then didn't meet their end fully? what were they hoping for from this? all that does is make you a shitty artist
>>1542207 Worst thing I got was, I guess, the first animation commission I got, and an SFM thing as well. It's not really terrible, so much as not worth the cost I ended up putting out, in my mind. It is what it is, though.
>tfw you are a regular for an artist >tfw you just send money and give details later >tfw sent a large sum of cash for a fully fleshed out commission >tfw everytime you go to send email with details on what you want you get a better idea
>>1545408 >Searching for pose references >Find a good one to use and prepare to send it to the artist >Happen upon an even better one which makes you reevaluate the original pose >End up finding so many great poses that you can't decide what to go for
My reference folder is quickly becoming filled to capacity.
>>1545663 >or just go through their works Yeah, nothing in their portfolio is close. Seeing as how I'm asking for an imitation of another artist's style, I figure mebbe they could spend 10mins to colour a sample to prove they're capable
>>1545835 >>1546043 >Yeah, nothing in their portfolio is close. the more sound in their fundies the easier it should be for them to replicate >10 minutes not enough to showcase their abilities. you know what is though? looking through their works
would doing name-your-price commissions be a good place to start if i know i'm only semi-decent at art? cartoon network isnt gonna hire me anytime soon, but i can occasionally pump out a simple doodle i'm proud of.
I need an excuse to practice, and I'm broke as shit right now. My new job still hasn't called me in for training, so I'm relying on my roommate.
(in case anyone asks for references, my art/OC blog is @maxslime on tumblr.)
>>1549034 >would doing name-your-price commissions be a good place to start if i know i'm only semi-decent at art? Never. Ever. clients will lowball as much as possible and you're only underselling yourself and the business of it. had a friend do this from low self-esteem and was turning out full colored pics for $5 at most. have a baseline for yourself at the very least you'll probably get a response saying yeah that sounds great but underpaying is never fair to anyone ever. no excuses. it's most likely another underselling artist or a cheap client saying it
>>1549052 i was considering doing simple 30 minute doodles, and based on my quality of work and unreliability, it only seems fair i dont ask for a lot as the minimum. I figure if I get the right people, they'll tip me as much as they can afford/think I earned. If you think clients will really be so cheap, what minimum price do you suggest?
>>1549268 lots of factors but a good rule of thumb is never less than minimum wage. then factoring these in >skill level (though everyone undersells themself here so grain of salt) >demand >branding
personally, not knowing much, I'd raise 30 min doodle to a fair 1 hour drawing and ballpark it to maybe $20 (like a cell-shaded cartoon pin-up, for example) at least. and that's assuming you're somewhere like new york (min. wage is $15 now I think). if you deliver god teir results, you could demand much more of course. (psst. also, I know there are some third worlders here too, but no one has to know. make a decent living for yourself and also not sell the business short. it's a win-win)
>>1549317 >$20 I know you want what's best for me but that will literally never happen. Even if people were willing to pay $20 for a shitty draw, that just feels obscene to ask for. I've seen artists who put an hour into a piece that's way better than anything I could produce in a lifetime and sell it for $15. Hell, I bet there are some in this exact thread offering more time and quality for less pay. I promised myself when I had to move that I wouldn't accept a job less than $10 hourly, though, so you've at least convinced me to ask for at least $5 per drawing.
Anyone here ENJOY drawing stonking huge, watermelon-/beachball-sized and up boobs? Not just "I'll draw it if you throw enough cash dollars at me" but actually having a preference for that sort of thing. My last contact for art like that faded into the aether and I'm wondering who else likes giant ta-tas.
>>1549350 >Even if people were willing to pay $20 for a shitty draw, that just feels obscene to ask for. I've seen more for terrible
>I've seen artists who put an hour into a piece that's way better than anything I could produce in a lifetime and sell it for $15. Hell, I bet there are some in this exact thread offering more time and quality for less pay. they too, are underselling. though desu some are underskilled and thus are justified in that. not trying to be mean.
>I promised myself when I had to move that I wouldn't accept a job less than $10 hourly, though, so you've at least convinced me to ask for at least $5 per drawing. If you can gauge your skill somehow that'd be a good start. maybe ask some IRL senpais, or test draw something then compare with references.
I work on all sort of commissions: from designing characters for your own story or videogame, drawing your OCs, fanart from your favorite series and also personal portraits or anime renditions of yourself and your friends. Also work on genres such as hentai, yaoi, yuri, lolicon and shotacon.
>>1535662 Work on anatomy for at least a year. Once you get that down come back. I'm not trying to shit on you at all, but work on your art for a while. If you got a tumblr; I'll follow you to see your progress.
>>1549034 to be honest, I actually started doing nsfw art in Pay-what-you-want slots. soooo... sure?
Better than nothing. It gets you some money, some clientelle, shows people you can be trustworthy and punctual. all in all a not bad way to start. don't expect a butt ton of money, but again, better than nothing. then once you know what people are WILLING to freely pay, you can price higher within reason. gives you a good base to start on.
>Send invoice to client 1 as I usually do >Somehow it ends up being paid by client 2 who sent me an email asking if I was doing commissions 10 minutes before I sent invoice to client 1 >client 1 unable to pay because client 2 already paid it
What the heck happened here and has this happened to anyone else? The invoice history shown on Paypal is literally just: >you created invoice >you sent invoice to client 1 >invoice was paid by client 2
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