KIKU CAME IN KONATSU
unforgivable ending
retroactively ruined the whole series
Only watched S1, but I regret putting off for as long as I did. It was great.
>>162192244
Might as well stop there. The story is good, but the supernatural side gets a lot more focus and it really brings down the quality.
The absolute state of Rakugo
>>162192194
>>162192194
>>162192473
too much shit taste and lies in this thread
>>162192765
The ghosts were stupid and you know it.
>>162192602
Age gap sex is so hot. It's sad that they couldn't just be together as lovers.
I hope they still kept fucking on the side after she married Yotaro.
I want to cum in Konatsu.
>>162195072
I wanted Kiku to come in Konatsu when she was still small and cute.
Yota is a cuckold. Literally raising his wife's son while being completely in the dark.
>>162195257
Yota is probably happy that he gets to fuck Kiku by proxy.
>>162192175
My Wife's Son's Dad Is Actually My Wife's Adoptive Father And He's Also My Master?!
>>162195257
Didn't the writer say that even Yotaro noticed how similar Shin and Kiku are?
>>162195735
Yota should fuck Shin so he can get even closer to Kiku.
>>162192175
I don't get why people get upset by this implied ending. Konantsu fucking Kiku is perfectly believable and it doesn't ruin their relantionship, shit happens and most importantly Kiku's bishounen genes didn't get lost.
Since I just got spoiled for this, I may as well ask, since I dropped the show because it was getting too depressing. Does Kiku die in the end?
>>162196524
>>162196524
>most importantly Kiku's bishounen genes didn't get lost
This. Mistakes into miracles.
>>162196654
Yeah.He meets Sukeroku and Cunt in the afterlife
>>162196831
Then he grew up to be a faggot.
>>162196831
Getting Komatsu to voice this kid was cheating.
>>162193844
Yotaro may been a criminal on his backstory but Konatsu knew him as a nice guy so she was definitely fucking Kiku on the side
>>162196870
Perfect.
>>162196859
Christ, I don't know if I want to go through with this.
>>162196831
Too bad his sister was nowhere near as cute. Must be because she's not into rakugo.
>>162196922
By the end you kind of want him to go because of how long they drag it on.
>>162196524
Personally my biggest gripe is Japan's obsession with bloodlines show its ugly head once again.
I don't like Yota giving up the Sukeroku name to take on Kiku's. My biggest gripe with the series really.
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>>162192473
It was weird having their reunions in the afterlife be so undramatic, but I appreciated the happy ending.
Why Kiku never accepted he wanted to fuck Sukeroku all along instead of Miyokuchi?
>>162197052
Well, I've never been dead but I think all the shit on life stop mattering once you're dead
>>162196870
He can't be a faggot if he has the good taste to want to fuck his little sister.
>>162197212
I don't remember that.
A reminder for the normalfags that don't want to believe Kiku is the father.
>>162197630
I don't mind that he's the father. I'm mad Yota isn't the one.
>>162197675
>Yota isn't the one.
The one what?
I imagine she mounted him once in a fit of passion and he was morbidly into it, then they swore to never speak of it again but the damage was done
>>162197675
Yota has weak genes and Japan is ruled by literal nazis. Not including this show was based on a josei manga
>>162197675
But Yota fathered the hot daughter.
>>162197758
But he didn't father Konatsu's firstborn. This is crucially important.
>>162197758
Women are useless. See the entire show
In retrospect, I cannot believe Yota didn't fucking die here.
I'll never understand why people got so mad at the reveal, especially since those two didn't even have that much of a daughter/father relationship. The only "daughter/father" moments were the flashbacks that one could count on their hand, and depending on who you ask, the final scene between them before Kiku passes on. Hell, it's even stated in the manga that they never acted like a family when Konatsu moved in, and that it felt more like a roommate situation. Even when they do decide to have sex, Konatsu is already over 18 and well into her early 20s; she's been in love with him since her teenage years, and finally went for it.
Also the fact that Kiku actually fucked, and impregnated the child of the two people he was in love with will always make me laugh for some reason.
>>162197938
>Also the fact that Kiku actually fucked, and impregnated the child of the two people he was in love with will always make me laugh for some reason.
Reminds me to Karekano
>>162197052
>It was weird having their reunions in the afterlife be so undramatic
The afterlife scenes were kino as fuck. Very bleak, melancholic. I loved it. It's a great rendition of the Japanese afterlife
>>162198057
I only watched the anime a long time ago. Who is that? Was he a rival who appeared after the main love interest?
>>162197840
Really. I wonder if Kiku told the Yakuza boss before or after this scene about what was actually going on.
DERU.....DERUUUU
I get chills down my spine just thinking about the "candle going out" scenes, especially the last one. 10/10 anime.
>>162198169
It's "kieru."
>>162192175
hell yea he did
>>162192194
This. It genuinely makes me sad to think about, it was all set to take a spot in my top ten but the last episode ruined it so thoroughly that I basically erased it from my brain. I thought about it for the first time in ages a few days ago and I couldn't muster up any good feelings about it, despite adoring every moment up until the end.
>>162196859>Sukeroku and Cunt
I kek'd
>>162197938
>Even when they do decide to have sex, Konatsu is already over 18 and well into her early 20s
You don't know when they started having sex. All we know is that that's when he impregnated her.
>>162198476
I'm kind of okay with it though because it kind of feels like Kiku lives on, in genes and in rakugo. These people were so closely connected with each other that I'm not surprised it turned out like this. You have to look at it in a symbolic way because realistically it is fucked up.
>>162192175
Christ, I was thinking about the original post earlier today. The trauma will last forever.
>>162198889
That was the face he made when he came inside her
>>162199233
And this was her face
>>162199392
You know she made that face while doing all of the work while Kiku just lied there and took it
>>162198889
Can't believe my stupid post became a meme.
>>162198785
Fuck Japan and muh bloodlines
>>162199717
>Japan is the only one who muh bloodlines
>>162192175
Did he basically take in Yota because he reminded him of Sukeroku and enjoyed the perverse idea of fucking his daughter while Yota is living in the same house?
>>162199791
>>162199791
>enjoyed the perverse idea of fucking his daughter while Yota is living in the same house?
Literally what?
>>162199827
It's about revenge from his personal perspective. The young guy reminds him of Sukeroku, who was his friend and rival that cucked him, so he fucks his daughter while the unknowing substitute lives in the same household. That also enforces the idea that the actual Sukeroku might've been ignorant about it if he were alive.
>>162196932
>Red hair
>Beautiful sharkteeth
>not as cute
So much shit taste in this thread
>>162200142
>black wavy hair
>blushing face
>genki and smart as fuck
>shota
>not the cutest specimen you ever done see
>>162200221
Sister is maximum over cute
>>162198712
It was obviously a one time thing.
>>162200067
>That also enforces the idea that the actual Sukeroku might've been ignorant about it if he were alive.
If Sukeroku had lived, do you think Kiku still would have come in Konatsu? I think he would have.
>>162200729
He would have come in Konatsu and Sukeroku would have come in Kiku.
>>162198057
This will never stop pissing me off.
>>162198125
>kino
Fuck off, retard.
>>162200760
What beautiful symmetry
For a moment I honestly thought that Yotaro's friend with the glasses and black hair was the father, because of how Konatsu looked at him in the hospital and he said
>so, you finally looked at me
>>162192473
>the supernatural side
It's all in Yakumo's mind, genius. Also, if you didn't cry at the farewell scene in episode 11 of S2 you're a faget.
>>162193844
I don't think it happened more than once, or maybe just a few times until they were sure Konatsu had conceived, and there was definitely no romantic love or even much sexual attraction involved. She probably went to Yakumo outright and struck a deal with him - he killed her dad, so he can make it up to her by letting him live on by providing the genetic material for a superior rakugo baby, and he gave in for various reasons.
>>162195257
Literally the fucking opposite of that. He implored Konatsu to let him be a father to the baby knowing full well that the biological dad was someone else.
Get your sophomoric "lel cucks desu" mindset away from this show, the grownups are talking.
>>162202563
>there was definitely no romantic love or even much sexual attraction involved.
Mangaka literally confirmed in an extra chapter (that she tweeted for fans to please read because it was that important) that Konatsu fell in love with Kiku when she was a teenager.
>>162201312
Mangetsu has a fucking Louis Vuitton man-purse; he's the gayest man in the show by a country mile.
>>162202588
>he's the gayest man
The anime showed us that he had a crush on Konatsu, but the manga put more importance on it. He always had a thing for her, and always wanted to make a move, but never did.
>>162202587
Do we know how exactly Kiku felt about her? I kind of had the impression that his feelings were also romantic or close to it, just that he could never be with her or anyone for obvious reasons.
>>162202587
I have, and I don't think that contradicts what I said. There's no indication that she was in love with him like that as an adult. People can change as time goes on; it's a central theme of the story. The attraction and the romantic attachment she felt for him may have lingered but she had a lot more resentment, so I don't think romantic love was a secondary reason or even a tertiary one for sleeping with him. The affection she had for him as an adult, while considerable, was different.
>>162197797
Only if you have the mentality of a bible belt teenager.
>>162202673
>Do we know how exactly Kiku felt about her?
No.
>kind of had the impression that his feelings were also romantic or close to it
Disagree since I think the only people he had romantic feelings for were Miyo and Sukeroku, but to each their own.
>>162202749
I know she wasn't around for long but don't forget about poor O-Chiyo-chan.
Oh boy, Rakugo thread? This show's amazing in ever single aspect. I'm one episode away from the end, and I'm going to miss it dearly when the journey is over.
Post moments that made you cry. This was the first one for me in part 2. Yota is such a great guy.
>>162202454
>It's all in Yakumo's mind, genius.
That's what everyone assumed until Kiku finally died and Sukeroku debunks that.
>>162202855
>This show's amazing in ever single aspect.
>I'm one episode away from the end
Yeah, we can tell
>>162202855
>I'm one episode away from the end
>>162202855
>I'm one episode away from the end
>>162202939
If you're talking about the paternity of Shin, I already know; I've read the manga, and regardless of how you feel about that this was a near-flawless adaptation and a wonderful experience overall.
>>162202855
I was nervous during that entire segment because I thought she'd mess up. It was pretty heartwarming.
>>162197074
I think he accepted it.
>>162199791
>>162200067
Get your doujinshi out of here.
>>162203201
He's such a catch. Their wedding photos scene was the cutest thing in the goddamn universe.
>>162192175
This is one of the most unappreciated anime out there. I honestly think it's one of the best anime ever made. I rate it 9.5/10. Everything about it is so unique and fresh.
I miss a show like Rakugo so much.
are there no pure maidens in this show?
>>162208674
Pure maidens only exist in fantasy and it's not a fantasy show.
>>162209018
how about the other girls in this show?
*record scratch*
*freeze frame*
Yep, that's me.
>>162200330
this whole episode was a fucking feels ride
>>162209057
The other girls in the show are literal whores or someone's wife
rakugo would probably be my favourite anime ever if they hadnt gone the fucking Usagi Drop route with the ending
>>162209891
you just know Shin is going to bang his sister
the cycle must continue
>>162197840
I still believe the boss had no relationship with Konatsu and simply want to adopt Shin and thus actually holding his laughter when Yotaro verbally abused him for bullshit reasons.
>>162200067
You got it all wrong. The slut was the one who cuck him by stealing the male friend he had romantic feeling for. I am not even a yaoi supporter.
>>162209891
Weird enough it didn't make me mad. Kiku never even tried to present himself as Konatsu's father unlike in Usagi drop that the whole point of story is about adoptive parenthood changing a man to be better.
>>162197675
Yota was never supposed to be Shin's father so you must have been angry the entire second half of the anime.
>>162198889
>mfw
>>162208674
>are there no pure maidens in this show?
The answer to that is literally performancefags. When you go into performance arts, you're basically exiled from polite society and have to deal with all sorts of debauchery, you're even expected to partake in most of it.
Konatsu was a slut from the beginning to the end, just like her mom.
>>162211768
>have to deal with all sorts of debauchery, you're even expected to partake in most of it.
Is that like when Kiku decided to get a prostitute because he needed to see how they/women act in order to perform better?
Why the fuck would Konatsu want Kiku to fuck her in the first place? Are shriveled dicks that irresistible?
>>162212212
Women aren't the same as men. In general they value emotional connection more than physical appearance.
A question for the manga readers, if it's ever answered: does the Yakuza boss (sorry, I forget his name) know that Shin isn't actually his?
I see two options: either he never really fucked Konatsu, in which case he'd obviously know and is keeping the secret out of some obligation to Kiku or whatever, or he really did fuck her at least once, in which case I wonder if she ever told him the truth.
>>162212212
I thought she just wanted superior rakugo genes
>>162212343
>Yakumo mentioned rakugo talent isn't related to blood on S1
>Except it is
>>162212343
It had nothing to do with making rakugo babies. It had everything to do with women being women and thus volatile and incomprehensible emotional creatures. Konatsu said as much in the season 1 finale when she declared what she learned from her father and what she learned from her mother.
>>162202587
I bet the female readers were creaming their panties after reading that tweet
>>162202587
I thought it was when she was a child.
>>162214310
>that 180 attitude change
That was the cutest moment.
Does the afterlife allow Sukeroku to know that his best friend fucked his daughter?
>>162214961
Probably, but he probably understand the circumstances in which it happen better than we, the audience, do and is not one to care. He knows that Bon always had Konatsu's best interests in mind, even if he (and his daughter, truth be told) did fucked up things at times.
>>162214961
It also probably allows Sukeroku to fuck his best friend, so I'm not sure why either of them would care.
>>162209051
Matsuda-san a cute at every age. Him being able to be with Shishou even after the end was so sweet.
>>162197840
>>162210066
Yeah, this. He didn't get to be the boss of the gang by flying off the handle and mauling every punk who got in his face, especially over something as insignificant as this. He had to put Yota in his place because he was being rude, but I don't think he cared about the accusations.
>even the yazuka are handsome old gentlemen
Based josei mangaka.
>>162219033
I wanna fuck that whole family.
>>162219140
Matsuda is immortal.
>>162202563
There's nothing 'grown up' about being cucked. Yotaro is a cuck.
Boring fujoshit
Tried to get into this series, but the characters weren't interesting to me so I got bored quickly.
What happened? MC got cucked?
Guys, is this real? I didn't watch the series till the end, but I enjoyed season 1. Did Kiku really fuck Konatsu?
>>162221138
>Did Kiku really fuck Konatsu?
Yes. See >>162197630
My only disappointment with this series is how the 2nd OP was shit when the 1st was godlike.
>>162213881
They'd cream their panties more and self-insert if she said Kiku was in love with Konatsu
>>162221241
I can't tell which ED was better. They might be equal.
My favorite part of Rakugo is how triggered it makes closet cucks.
>>162222462
What's a closet cuck
>>162222686
Someone who wants to watch an alpha dominate their woman, but can't admit it.
>>162221138
Not on-screen, and it makes sense given the characters' motivations.
Finish it, anon, Sukeroku Futatabi was even greater than season 1.
>>162214961
>fucks and has a child with ex-girlfriend
>fuck his daughter as payback
Had it coming.
>>162221241
In terms of the music I don't like Imawa no Shinigami nearly as much as Usurahi Shinjuu, but the S2 OP's visuals and symbolism are incredible. OP1 is good, but it doesn't punch you in the guy like OP2 does with Yakumo turning away from everyone trying to reach out to him.
>>162222451
The EDs, on the other hand, are equally amazing. So evocative and beautiful and the music for each of them is sublime. I'd give the edge to ED2 for how cleverly it leads in from OP2 visually, but they're both great and each was ED of the year in my book.
>>162225164
>ex-girlfriend
She was never his girlfriend. Kikuhiko didn't even like her; she was coming on like a freight train and Yakumo VII was cheering for him to fuck her but he wanted nothing to do with her. He didn't have any interest in her until after (and probably because) she finally fucked Sukeroku.
>>162225164
It was the closest he was ever going to come to that threeway with both of them, at least until the afterlife.
>>162221241
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBva7Fu0O2Q
How did you dislike it? It fit so well with Kiku's depression and melancholy.
Someone post the webm of Matsuda coming into an absolute mess. I think it was an edit of Always Sunny.
>>162225528
>Kikuhiko didn't even like he
He was definitely in love with Miyo. I honestly don't understand how people are still denying this.
>>162213881
>implying
I didn't care. This whole plotline is outside of my narrative.
>>162225604
The song. The animation itself was great though, I liked it more than the first.
>>162225757
That wasn't until later. He'd been brushing her off for years at the time she slept with Sukeroku. She wasn't Kikuhiko's "girlfriend" except in her own mind.
>>162225586
Did Kiku lick Konatsu's tears as well?
>>162226619
>She wasn't Kikuhiko's "girlfriend" except in her own mind.
Their relationship lasted 10 years. He sure as hell didn't mind her company if he kept her around for that long. He did love her, but always knew that he would eventually have to let her go for rakugo.
>>162221241
Kill yourself.
>>162200806
why?
>>162219243
They're all seriously adorable.
>>162221241
Shit taste my friend
>>162225604
Tonally it's fitting, but the discordant parts of the melody make it less pleasant to listen to as a stand-alone song.
>>162227943
Did he also lick other parts of her? Did they bathe together when she was still loli?
>>162221241
When is Kana Shibue going to score another anime?
>>162225416
What's the significance of the bamboo forest? There was one in the first series' OP too.
>>162225757
I think he loved her as a friend. I never felt like he had any sexual attraction to her.
Now that's how you end an anime. God knows what whoever said the last episode ruins it were talking about. The only sour note was Shin growing up into such a dour asshat, but I can forgive it knowing how nervous he must have been, and how cute this scene was.
AOTY. I can't imagine how anything could top this. It was a wonderful journey.
>>162235301
They did have sex, or at least fooled around quite a bit; there's the scene in volume 4 (right before he dumps her) where they're kissing, and she says he's getting better at it, which implies it was a regular thing. But I don't think Kikuhiko ever considered her his girlfriend. It was a love-hate relationship with benefits, and also two thirds of a bizarre love triangle. They cared about each other but it was too fucked-up a situation to sum up anyone's feelings for each other simply as "love".
>>162235712
>Kiku consensually fucked mother and daughter 40 years apart
Dude's got unreal game.
>>162192194
I unironically thought the exact same thing. I had to pause and stop watching the final episode like 5 minutes in. Fuck that shit.
We have to breed the ultimate Rakugoka to take the art into the Heisei era
>>162196831
God, I hate this little smug piece of shit so much.
>>162240836
He didn't choose his parent.
>>162240841
I don't think he could be redeemed with Yakuzaman as the father.
>>162240854
Exceptthat isn't his father
>>162240893
I think he means that either of them being the dad is shit.
>>162240934
Oh right I misread that.
>>162240713
>>162238545
>>162241668
>Kiku got a chance to fuck all three generations
A true pimp