>Godlike protagonist in Part 2 >gets the worst stand of

He wasn't that bad. Aside from Jotaro, he was probably the second closest member in the crusaders capable of stopping DIO.

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>>162190396
None of the protagonists in Jojo are good, much less godlike.

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>>162190396
Everything else I'll give you but Hermit Purple absolutely wasn't the worst stand. As a matter of fact what really adds insult to injury is that people just treat it as a lame version of the rose whip when in reality if Joseph had been as young, spry and cunning as he was in BT with full hamon mastery he could've soloed damn near all of SDC with his wits armed by something so absurdly versatile and perfectly tailored for his combat style.
Keep in mind this is the man who killed an immortal ancient super-vampire lord with a wool fucking hat in the middle of a field of spikes, and now we're giving him an indefinitely extending hamon conductor that can manipulate electronics to give him any information he needs and can even make a pinpoint accurate map to victory out of fucking incense. Considering how many fights he's won against opponents no mere man should've ever beaten by exploiting his circumstances and resources in absurdly creative ways giving him an ability like this is basically cheating.
He had to almost completely lose his cunning edge and abandon his hamon training in his old age or else he would've won most of the fights in part three.

>>162190396
Basically the reverse of plot armor. If Joseph was strong, there would be literally no need for Jotaro/Josuke to be there.

>>162190396
The same thing happened to Jotaro to an extent. Araki doesn't like it when an old protagonist takes attention from the new one.

Also Joseph was far from the buttmonkey of the group. He was the leader and everyone looked up to him.

>>162191882
Young Joseph was good, but it's generally the antagonists and the sidekicks who are enjoyable.

>>162190396
>Reminder that Hamon can also increase your longevity immensely to the point that a 50 year old man looked like a teenager
>We could've gotten mid 20's Joseph in SDC
Cause Jojo's is story spanning generations, if it had been like you said then it would defeat part of the charm of the story, I do think Araki should've done a better job handling him in parts 3 and 4 though.

>>162192100
Jotaro was more than competent in part 4.

>>162192198
The same thing happened to him though. He got nerfed and got less screen time. Also he straight up dies in part 6

>>162192139
>>162190396
Old men are cool.
Especially in American movies, which Araki spends his time watching.

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>>162192503
Cool old men is a shounen staple though.

>>162192198
He gets beat by a rat

>>162190396
>becomes the buttmonkey of the group

That was Polnareff.

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>At 17 his mother was put on the brink of death and he had to travel around the world to save her life
>Newly made friend that he becomes close with gets killed
>Entire life is pretty much centered around trying to deal with a retard and his retarded followers who hated his grandfather
>Is forced to abandon his family to ensure their safety
>Daughter hates his guts because he was never around
>Gets killed more than once protecting her

>>162192856
Yare yare daze.

>>162192493
I wouldn't say he got nerfed. Kira was deathly afraid of him and treated the rest as shit.

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It's about time we got a manly Jojo

>>162190396
Him getting weaker makes sense thematically, JoJo is a generational series so it makes sense for the older characters to be physically weaker, it shows the truth that you shouldn't rely on your elders for everything.

>>162193195
and then there is straizo who was basically unaged for 50 years trough hamon

I'm pretty sure 80% of the Part3isms (ie Dio is back, villain of the day fights, Jotaro being Kenshiro 2.0) were due to publisher meddling.
They wouldn't have wanted an old man to carry the series

>>162192856
Jotaro had a hard life

>>162190396
Araki said he's still alive

>>162193983
araki has the memory of an amnesiac jellyfish

>>162193736
Kenshiro at least had a character arc happened mostly off screen but it still existed

>>162193736
but as i said straizo had hamon and he was unaged , how did joseph age

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>Was funny but less so than Jolyne or Gappy
>Has no other character traits
>Has no personality
BEST JOJO AMIRIGHT GUYS

>>162191924
>Keep in mind this is the man who killed an immortal ancient super-vampire lord with a wool fucking hat in the middle of a field of spikes, and now we're giving him an indefinitely extending hamon conductor that can manipulate electronics to give him any information he needs and can even make a pinpoint accurate map to victory out of fucking incense.
For this reason alone I understand part of the reason to nerd Joseph. It still sick but if this guy was allowed to run rampant he would have been an unstoppable force.

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>>162194107

>>162194107
>has no other character traits/personality
He's a goofball who enjoys outsmarting people. What more personality do you need?

>>162194107
at last he wan't
>kenshiro before the incident
>kenshiro with no charachter
>high school dude
>dios' kid
>daddy issues

Joseph was such a rampant memelord if he stayed young in part 3 he would have outsmarted pretty much everyone, he absolutely had to be nerfed for the gang to be in a sticky situation.

>>162190396
Well he sort of have to make way for Jotaro and Josuke.

I mean how else are you supposed to put spotlight on the new protagonist when they share the same stage with a suave, tall, built, and charming British man?

>>162194107
>Was funny but less so than Jolyne
Stopped reading right there

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>>162194398
>Daddy issues
Are you implying Johnny is bad

>>162194086
Too much sex

>>162191882
>None of the protagonists in Jojo are good, much less godlike.
Johnathan was pure as fuck

Seen the first 5 episodes of diamond is unbreakable and it seems really boring in comparison to the other seasons.
Does it get better bros?

>>162195371
I don't know how far the episodes go as I've only read the manga but part 4 is one of my favorite parts. Nobody's forcing you to watch it though but if you don't watch it it's not like you have any more Jojo anime to watch.

>>162194086
Joseph was lazy and didn't keep up with his training after he beat Kars

>>162192493
everyone dies in part 6, can't hold it against him alone

>>162193736
>I'm pretty sure 80% of the Part3isms (ie Dio is back, villain of the day fights, Jotaro being Kenshiro 2.0) were due to publisher meddling.

No, that was all araki. Dio and JJBA's popularity as a whole didn't take off until Stardust Crusaders so why would the publishers demand that Dio come back? Villain of the day fights were part of Araki ironing out how stands worked. Dio having followers made it easier to do that. Jotaro being Kenshio 2.0 was Araki taking inspiration from Clint Eastwood characters and at the time characters like him hadn't been done to death.

>>162194086
Straizo practice long before and long after he appeared in Phantom Blood. Joseph hates hard work so after the Pillar Men were defeated he stopped training.

>>162190396
>gets the worst stand of all the Crusaders in Part 3
A hamon superconductor that can divine maps and locations of important things and people is a pretty good stand.
>stops using Hamon, even though it does all sorts of cool shit like heal his wounds, control water, walk on spikes, possess people's bodies, etc.
Hamon requires him to get close/use Hermit Purple and even then it's only really useful against vampires. He used it to good effect during the DIO fight to try and protect himself.
>becomes the buttmonkey of the group, with only two fights in the entire part
He was the buttmonkey of the group in Part 2 as well.
>doesn't use clackers, or hide Tommy guns in his ass like he used to
What good would clackers or tommy guns do against Stands?
>in Part 4, it's shown that he cheated on his wife
Joseph is human just like anyone else. It doesn't make him a bad guy.
>literally going senile
He's old, anon.
>doesn't even get to visit Josuke's mom a single time
It'd be awkward.
>not even mentioned in Part 6, probably died offscreen
By Part 6 he'd be in his eighties, anon.

>>162194086
Straizo was an autist who wanted to cheat death so of course he'd practice long and hard everyday.
Joseph hated training and after Kars died he had no reason to keep practicing Hamon.

>>162190396
I agree with everything except the cheating.

Jesus christ why did his stand suck so much

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>>162191882
Fuck you, Johnny is GOAT

>>162194668
he's talking about jolyne

>>162194668
Daddy issues fit all JoJos except Gappy...yet

>>162197613
He has mommy issues.

>>162197031
Joseph relies on information to win, his stand let's him get information easily

>>162197708
Not my Gappy.
Also i'm sorry about what I said about Joseph earlier, i'm kind of pissed off today so I talked shit about Joseph for some reason even though I do think he's a solid Jojo.

>>162198386
What do you call someone who is the mother of only half of you? In any case his mommy issues is that his (Kira's) mom is dying.

>hamon user with easily the most potential
>gives up on it to become a family man
Joseph's first mistake was being American

>>162195371
It grows on people. I could go into detail as to why but you should just watch it.

>>162190396
HES NOT THE PROTAGONIST ANYMORE DUMBASS

those are protag powers, not jojo powers

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>>162196662
>buttmonkey of the group in parts 1 and 2
He didn't exist in Phantom Blood you fucking retard.

Hey guys, i have been watching JoJo for a while and i have a question about hamon, we already know that hamon have curative properties and it flows through your blood, so... can hamon cure AIDS? just a random question.

>>162201674
given all the other asspullery its caused, it probably can

Hmm...
>Caesar, whose powers manifested through bubbles, got flattened by a piece of wall
>Kira, who used air bubbles courtesy of Stray Cat, got flattened by a vehicle
>other Kira, whose stand used bubbles, as well as Josefumi, whose stand also used bubbles, got flattened by the falling debris
>Gappy, also using bubbles, can't sleep if he isn't being pressed down by something heavy

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>>162191924
Young Joseph's wit would make literally anything useful, it doesn't change the fact that on it's own Hermit Purple is a fucking joke. It's a fucking vine that makes pictures, compared to time stopping, phasing through shit, possessing people, conjuring torrents of fire etc it's fucking garbage.

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>>162197176
Gyro was the real MC, Johnny was the Koichi of SBR.

>>162202102
You are extremely undervaluing the worth of having infinite rope on demand

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>>162203809
>infinite rope
So it's just a shittier Stone Free?

>>162204034
I said infinite rope, anon
We never actually saw Joseph explore the limits of his stand, did we?