>Zero sold over 50k >UBW sold over 30k >meanwhile Aposhit

Well it's Shaft and Extra is actually liked

>>162102641
I tried Apo and dropped it at ep 2.
God, it was just so awful

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I'm glad. I hope neo-TM fails, despite how futile that hope is since people are fucking retarded and keep feeding into mobage.

Prisma Illya only sells 7k and is practically its own franchise now.

>>162102641
Extra will sell a tons, I'm almost sure of that, Apo was already dead even before it started.

>>162102641
The problem is that Apocrap anime is an obvious pandering, so the quasi-intellectuals TM fans (80% of them) can no longer pretend that it possess any depth.

>>162103116
Merchandising is king.

>>162103116
They rake in the dosh with figure sales though.
Plus, the new movie exploded in popularity, making Kadokawa double the number of theaters.

>>162103116
>Prisma Illya won't be the worst selling Fate franchise anymore after Apoc airs

What a world.

At least Ufotable didn't sully their name by adapting Apocrypha.

>>162102641
Last Encore will perform far better than Apocrypha. It wont approach Zero and UBW levels, but it'll sit comfortably third.

I know that video game sales don't translate to anime sales, but the Extra Musuo sold a quarter of a million copies just in Japan alone. If only 10% of those Extra fans buy the BD's it'll be a huge success.

I think Extra will do better. People like Nero / Tama and the story is pretty fun.

>>162103400
Apo wishes it can reach Prisma, 46 episodes and a movie, backed by lots of merch.

So, which studio will they get to animate Fate/hollow Ataraxia?

>>162102641
Did you seriously expect anything else? Apocrypha anime is just advertising.

>>162102641
Why that cup drinking from another cup?

>>162103522
Since it's the FSN sequel, it'll probably be Ufotable.

>>162103502
Shame they've completely ran out of material to animate. We were on the Shiroboat too long. There's only 10 chapters of material. They're going to have to cruise on merchandise sales from the movie for a while. No way to strike whilst the iron's hot.

>>162102641
Are you sure you want to talk about how badly it sells when prisma sales are garbage?

>>162103601
Kuro alarm clock. Miyu alarm clock.

Then they'll have an OVA series that adapts the Prisma event in F/GO.

Random question but do you think Fate/extra will have Shiki or Arcueid in it?

>>162103644
Not if it's Extella/Zero.

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>>162103644
Given that Tsukihime remake is basically left to rot highly unlikely...

>>162103676
>>162103678
It would be a shame if it didn't since that's such a fun part of the game.

>>162103116
>Prisma Illya only sells 7k
Uh, anon drei averaged to 3,484.

>>162103352
That's EVERY fate work, idiot, not just fate/pedoshit

>>162103676
The one from Nasu's blog? I don't think it will just be a straight adaptation of that.

Isn't Apo Netflix so it doesn't really matter?

>>162103726
If we're going to compare shit then you have to compare the first showings of the series.

Prisma Illya S1 averaged 7k.

>>162103781
That and apoc only got green-lit because of grand order anyway.

>>162103353
>exploded in popularity
>didn't even rank in most watched movies rankings in Japan when every other Fate and KnK movie did

You pedophiles are really really overestimating its popularity. Illya alarm clock apk didn't even make it to 2k. It's just a few dedicated pedos who like Prisma and bought tons of merch.

Apocrypha is fucking shit anyway. One of the worst iterations of Fate that was only good for its waifubaiting and husbandobaiting --- which then again is the entire point of the franchise.

>>162103616
Prisma is completely different to other Fateshit tho and Prisma have an ongoing manga, 46 episodes of anime, 1 movie, and sold a fuckton of merchs.

>>162103726
Well, 3rei adaptation was awfull.

>>162103830
It wasn't available at many theaters

>>162103830
Aren't majority of nips, applefags?

>>162103496
If it is a proper Extra adaptation, then it has the chance to do well. Redman, Kotomine, Taiga, Sakura, Rin, Cu, Shiki, Arcueid and Shinji all make appearances.

If they throw in some of the Extella cast then we'd have Iskander, Artoria, Gil and Medusa to boost interest too. Aside from Kerry, Shiro and Ilya, pretty much every popular character is in EXTRA somehow.

say something nice about studio deen's adaptation

>>162104361
they did fate stay night

>>162104361
They introduced most of us to the series

>>162104361
The last episode was surprisingly well animated.

>>162102641
Apo is shit, complete insult to the franchise.
Even prilya is much better.

>>162104361

The soundtrack is good?

>>162104361
The Archer vs Berserker filler means that Archer got to exist as a person in the Fate route.

>>162104361
OVER EDGE

>>162103315
No one ever argued that Aposhit had any kind of depth, though.

>>162104514
This.

Apocrypha is literally just a montage of shallow spectacles and attractive characters in a Fate setting.

>>162104361
Opening song is good.

>>162103678
If Tsukihime got a remake it would end up worse than the original.

I want Narita to finish F/SF so that we get an anime adaptation that blows Zero out of the water. Something written by Baccano/Durarara! author is bound to have a lot of normie support, and Gil and Waver being there will attract even more people.

>>162104361
Honestly, it's pretty decent. Despite low production value I had fun watching it.

>>162104624
>normie
Fucking hell, anon.
Don't use that word on here.

>>162104361
The opening songs are better than uforable's.

>>162102641
You forgot to mention that Ufo cucked Apocrypha for TouRanbu and it's also airing this season alongside Aposhit.

>>162103561
Cups drinking from other cups is basically the main premise of her anime.

>>162104872
I doubt there's much audience competition between Nasuverse and fujoshit.

>>162104624
Apocrypha is the most normalfaggy Fate anime there is also the worst.

>>162104872
Even if it's animated by Ufo, it still won't save Apo, just take a look at the recent anime made by Ufo: toz, god eater and tourabu, all of them are underperforming

>>162104600
>>162103678
I'm not sure I could handle a Tsukihime remake without Matsuki Miyu as Hisui but I guess they'll just use Kakazu Yumi instead.

Going into last encore, will I need much knowledge of other Fate/Extra stuff? I've played a couple of hours of Fate/Extra with Caster and plan to finish that eventually, is there anything else I should do before going into the anime when it airs?

>>162105419
It's an adaptation, so you'll need none of it is my bet. Finish Extra anyway because a lot of stuff is guaranteed to not make it into Last Encore.

>>162105419
We don't know anything about Last Encore except that it's by SHAFT and features Nero and Hakuno (with small appearance by Hakunon.)

If Red Saber didn't appeal to you when you played Extra, then you might not care for Last Encore. Seems like Nero's show.

>>162102641
No one likes Apo, not even nips with their usual shit taste.

>>162102641
>what is FGO

>>162104624
>normie
Wrong board dipshit.
Besides, narita doesn't have as much pull with normalfags as you think, as his works haven't really found popularity outside of anime communities. Could do decent in blu ray sales though.

>>162104361

>Fantastic OST
>Perfect voice cast
>Great OP/EDs
>Created the current Saberfag epidemic
>Berserker vs Archer was a good idea and spawned the GAR meme
>Shoehorning all those scenes from UBW gave more screentime to many neglected characters in Fate

>>162105708
>Created the current Saberfag epidemic
Takeuchi was the patient zero, though.

Are Aoko and Dirty red going to be in Extra?

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>>162104624
I don't fucking want more normalfag support, I want more VNs with the production quality of mahoyo in an urban fantasy setting with cool lore. You can't get that if you pander to mindless normals with more DUDE SERVANTS FIGHTING LMAO

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>>162104624

I actually like that it pulls some stuff over from HF and UBW, it makes the fate route seem less isolated.

Also adding in the archer vs berserker stuff was a great idea.

>>162106392
They are just gonna be glorified extras even if they are in.

>>162107423
That's fine

>>162103830
> Illya alarm clock apk didn't even make it to 2k

It was also like $12 baseline, and $20 with all DLC, when most mobile apps are between 99c and $1.99. The app itself was also poorly made, its pretty laggy and when the alarm ring it lags your phone.

>>162107595
What phone were you using? I've been waking up with that app ever since it came out and never once has it lagged for me.

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>>162107595
>2000 Prismafags are retarded enough to buy a shitty 20$ alarm clock

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SF will probably sell the least but be one of the best

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>>162102641
>buying people's fanfics

>>162102641
The main series, as bad as it is, is still far superior to all the fucking cash grab spin-offs, especially Apocrap.

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>>162107699
It just needs to be advertised correctly. Throw some Gil, Waver, Enkidu and Alcides in the PV's, hire Ufotable again and make it clear that the author has written Drrrr and Baccano. There, you sold at least 40k BD's

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>be me
>beg dad to let me take part in the grail wars
>get assigned a total shitter of a servant
>not properly magic trained so have no choice but to drain people's mana to replenish her
>find out your childhood friend is also a master
>ask him to team up
>he says no
>find out girl in your class is also a master
>ask her to team up
>she says no
>rider so weak she cant even hold her own against saber being wielded by the most useless master of all time
>run away
>get found out
>rider gets one-shot by saber
>run away
>get murdered in cold blood by a little girl
>your childhood friend then basically ignores your murder and lets the little girl live with him in fun happy harem house

is there anyone who had a harder life than shinji

>>162107796
>The main series, as bad as it is
You don't have to be so coy about things you like.

>>162102641
How much did FSN 2006 and Turkeyhandle sell?

>>162107846
Hey, at least in UBW he gets to happily rape Sakura some more.

Does UBW deserve the hate?

>>162105708
>Shoehorning all those scenes from UBW gave more screentime to many neglected characters in Fate

explain

>>162107641
Redmi Note 3 on Lineage 14.1 (Pretty much stock Android Nougat). Snapdragon 650, 2gb of RAM, so mid tier spec. GO runs great on it without lag.

>>162103873
F/sn uses the HGW as a backdrop for the characters and themes, which nasu excels at. All the other fate spinoff are just DUDE SERVANTS FIGHTING LMAO, which is fun but not as memorable. There's a reason why /a/ has had fate threads like every day for the past 10 years.

Fate/Stay Night is different from the later spin offs of the concept because the everything in the story had a *purpose.*

The point of bringing in mythological heroes was to ask the question "What makes a Hero?" and tie it to Shirou's own character arc.

Even the magic in the story exists to advance the theme. It's not just there to look cool (though it *does*) but each character's magic abilities is also a reflection of their character and personality.

>>162107898
The anime? Sure, some of it is, if you treat it as it's own thing.
>Kirei dies like a bitch without any development
>Ilya dies like a bitch with minimal development
>True nature of the Grail War never being explained properly
>Saber being a background character for 70% of the story
It works much better in combination with Fate and HF rather than a separate entry.

some of it is justified*

2ch reactions to UfoUBW translated :

>Miura wasn't the guy for it. Now, if Sudou delivers a proper HF adaptation, I will rage to no fucking end.

>Fucking Miura hinted how Shirould could feel Archer's presence in ep3 and never used it again. The fucker forgot that Shirou found Rin in ep12 because he felt Archer.

>MIUUURAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHH

>I'm rewatching the UBW movie just because and I love how they added key lines for the viewer to understand better the plot. It makes me appreciate it even more now. UBW anime failed in this, Miura failed because he is a hack. If HF turns out to be a better product, I'll be mad as fuck. Fortunately Miura got kicked out HF directing. The guy is a hack.

>Nasu saying he didn't want UBW and F/Z to be treated as part of the same story because they are not, then Miura saying he wants it to be a Zero follow-up.

>Nasu wanted to add new scenes and change stuff, but Miura handled it badly and it felt disjointed. The HF manga is a great example of adding new stuff that makes sense to add.

>The problem was in general that they tried to please both sides and came out wrong. They should have gone with Nasu's idea of a Fate route over UBW but Miura is a stubborn bull and wanted his Rin pandering. They had a bad call about the chosen route, HF would have been better too, but it was stuck for now after they tried that incoherent and inconsistent UBW mess.

>The booklet has Nasu version of some pivotal episodes and is far better than what Miura came up about at the end. It's kind of a shame really.

>Look at HF manga. It simply adapts a route and it's done a fucking good job so far so nobody complains. It's also self contained.

>>162103116
It's okay. Prisma is for Type-Moonfags, who are also fatefags, who are also Illyafags, who are also lolicons, who are also mahou shoujofags, who are also yurifags. The franchise is very niche but has a dedicate fanbase.
Apo, on the other hand, is for the same audience as UBW.

>>162107922
>Rin vs Shirou
>Shirou/Rin vs Kuzuki/Caster
>the entire Caster arc
None of these existed in the original Fate route. The last one was anime original, but those are the ones off the top of my head.

>>162107699
I doubt it, Strange Fake is always at top 5 in LN rankings everytime a new volume is released.
SF even gets rank 1 sometimes.

>>162103315
>The problem is that Apocrap anime is an obvious pandering

So like everything Fate made in the last 5 years?

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Why was Zero so good?

>>162108176
Because Kiritsugu is an infinitely better character than Emiya?

>>162108129
Winter Forest after Berserker's defeat to caliburn.

>>162108108
Yeah and much more people on 2ch prised UBW and Miura.

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>>162103678
>>162105108
Does Tsukihime deserve to be forgotten?

>Fate/apocrypha
More like Fate/flopcryha
They should fire the entire team of that garbage, fucking incompetent piece of shit

>>162108108
I know this is old pasta, but I'm convinced these comments are actually from that one faggot with a hateboner for Miura.

>>162108230
Again, the original plan was to adapt the Fate route. Go back to the original announcement trailer and there are many hints that was the Fate route. Then Miura (the director) sperged out and begged the higher ups/Nasu to skip straight to UBW.

It wasn't really Miura's fault but Ufotable's. All the episodes Miura directed while not treating the audience like they're stupid, drove the point home through movement. Ufotable scheduled the directings wrong. Maybe they were trying to save money but Miura should have directed more episodes.

Especially in the second season when what should have been UBW's production budget went into some literally who adaptation of a game. Said production didn't even succeed without massive delays. Just imagine how much more fleshed out the Answer arc and Epilogue could have been with the proper budget.

Every week, anons would translate the 2ch reactions. The fandom backlash in the threads were something else entirely. You had to really be there for it back in 2014-2015.

>>162108247
The original VN is mediocre at best.

>>162108260
The Apocrypha anime isn't all that bad; the fights are generally well-animated and the soundtrack is nice, even if most notable track are variations of the main theme.

>>162108284
>All the episodes Miura directed while not treating the audience like they're stupid, drove the point home through movement.
Any examples? I'm curious.

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>>162108216
He's worse than Shirou

Is there a version of F/SN out there with the voice acting from the re-release but without the censorship in the sex scenes?

>>162108321
It's not. It was good enough to outdo VNs with actual funding behind them despite almost 0 marketing.

>>162108394
The voice patch has on/off toggle for h-scenes.

>>162108394
Reminder that the sex scenes in the VN were entirely unnecessary and made no sense from a narrative perspective.

>>162108176
Because, except for the fact that it is a prequel, F/Z is a self-contained story. Any of the F/SN routes are incomplete and generally pretty bad to read in isolation.

>>162108394
https://drive.google.com/uc?id=0BwBwxIaW_6FJZzlWRHVxVmRvU2c&export=download

>>162108484
They were funny as fuck though.

>>162108484
You could argue that they made sense in HF. You're right about Fate and UBW though.

>>162108284
>the original plan was to adapt the Fate route. Go back to the original announcement trailer and there are many hints that was the Fate route.
Unless you have an interview that confirms this, this claim is nothing more than baseless speculation.

>Especially in the second season when what should have been UBW's production budget went into some literally who adaptation of a game.
Anime budgeting does not work this way, different projects have their own group of investors and especially in the case of UBW and GE where the former was led by Aniplex and the latter Bandai Namco. The more restrained animation in UBW's second half was due to the schedule getting tighter, Ufo had most of their team on the project right up till the end. If anything, GE was shafted due to unfortunately being scheduled for airing right after a very taxing project.

>the fandom backlash in the threads were something else entirely. You had to really be there for it back in 2014-2015.
Now that's some massive bullshit, I followed the threads back then.

>>162108394
Fate/stay night
https://www.mofumoe.org/content/fatestay-night

Fate/stay night [Réalta Nua]
https://nyaa.si/view/427133
realtapatch.tumblr.com/

Fate/hollow ataraxia
https://www.mofumoe.org/content/fatehollow-ataraxia

Tsukihime
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/1705201

Tsukihime PLUS-DISC
https://www.mofumoe.org/content/tsukihime-plus-disc

Tsukihime Fun Disc: Kagetsu Tohya
https://www.mofumoe.org/content/kagetsu-tooya

Melty Blood Actress Again Current Code
https://mega.nz/#!38YgRTIS!hXliYFjdKtYvtMYd9M2Az2HuigizUvNtpYMOAurmyXY

Rips of TYPE-MOON's PC games
https://mega.nz/#F!BA4yHYoT!NwGVKj4q9Z1vnpKlYY-4UQ

TMDict, a compilation of Nasuverse dictionary entries
http://tmdict.com

>>162108284
UBW was popular and got a lot of haters. It always happens.
I personally think that the staff did a splendid job. The production was almost fine though sometimes animation was slightly unrefined. But still the show was way above an average show that is not from KyoAni.
That "Answer arc" was a complete mess in the VN too so you really should blame Nasu.

>>162108565
FSN [UBW] threads were full of cancerous and entitled whiners who protested over the smallest chances and never actually discussed, they just kept bringing meta bitching about muh secondaries and muh flawless VN with barely any actual discussion of the episode. Gabriella Ekens, the same person that called the UBW anime a "misshapen adaptive chimera" that only fans of the "Mooniverse" would enjoy. CookingPriest aka Fai, as some people might know his former username. Just ignore him. He is really upset, to put it mildly, about lots of changes and that the BD box didn’t have as many extended scenes as he hoped.

Avoid the MAL forums (and the ANN and maybe even Neogaf ones, too) at all costs. They (and with that I mean him in MAL’s case) are so full of negativity and salt, it’s unbelievable.

Hope Chapman gets a “meh” from me. I don’t know if you were present, when her “VN experience” consisted of a friend streaming Fate on twitch, skipping and skimming large amounts of text and then tearing apart lines which can be interpreted as sexist, but that made me lose my respect for her regarding FSN related material. Her rambling on twitter also struck me as utterly immature . Of course she can’t remember Rin or Shirou were like that in the first episodes if she never even read the VN correctly, so any comparisons (and praising ufotable for “fixing” Shirou and Rin) were just beyond dumb.

She was partially censoring the forums, when she threatened with warnings and bans those, who criticized Gabriella Ekens’ attacks on how misogynist Nasu’s writing is in the first episode reviews, even if it was sometimes completely unwarranted or had nothing to do with the actual episode at all. Besides, there was the general bashing of the source material, as if ufotable had to completely fix everything about FSN. “Reading” Fate is not nearly enough to completely review and compare the anime with the entire VN.

>>162108484
You sounds like an insecure landwhale

>>162108587
>That "Answer arc" was a complete mess in the VN too so you really should blame Nasu.

Explain.

>>162103678
>>162108247
>>162108409
tsukihime had a lot of weird holes in it. Like how the Ciel route is half just a copypasta of Arcueid's route. Kohaku's route was something he wrote in a week after something a beta-tester said to him. Nrvnqsr comes and goes and has nothing to do with anything. Satsuki's death doesn't leave as much of an impact as it should considering what it was supposed to be. The story=exposition ratio is way too stilted. Don't get me wrong, all of Nasu's stories have ludicrous amounts of exposition, but the problem is over half the things that come outta, say, Ciel's mouth are just pure exposition. Furthermore, a lot of the shit that happens feels too abrupt. Roa's base was in the school the whole time and no one knew about it? No one noticed anything strange? And it's pretty inconsistent at times too, like some things are way too convenient.

At the very least, Fate/stay night and even the Fate/EXTRAs feel more complete and well-rounded than Tsukihime did. There's just this very large sense of imbalance throughout Tsukihime.

>>162108602
Depends on the route really. Fate in particular's whole OH BUT ACKSHUALLY YOU CAN RESTORE SABER'S MANA BY GIVING HER THE DICK bit after berserker tore archer a new anus was so contrived I legitimately laughed throughout.

>>162108284
>>162108565
TYPE-MOON gave the first route out for free for Android and iOS, you know? It’s kind of like they want to apologize to the Fate fans and at the same time give everyone watching the anime the opportunity to catch up. I mean, FZ-only people should be massively disappointed with Saber’s role in UBW route.

There were a lot of infodumps that they cut. For instance, there was right at the beginning an explanation about the difference between majutsu (magecraft) and mahou (True Magic). The rest was mostly about the Grail War and its rules though, but they probably cut it, since Shirou will hear it from Rin and Kirei anyway.

Nasu specifically told ufotable when they decided to adapt UBW “Hey guys, this isn’t Saber’s route, so I just want her to look cute and act like a motherly/guardian-like character”, so that was the reason why I accepted that she wouldn’t get any development. Any reactions or interactions with Shirou and Archer, where her wish and story is referenced and foreshadowed, in the novel, even if there were few, were cut out in the first half.

Then in the second half, they decided in the last three/four episodes to add original scenes to characterize her. It doesn’t feel right to me, it should have happened sooner.

>>162108492
>Nasu wanted Ufo to make a Fate route adaptation to keep it consistant with Zero
>Miura threw a tantrum because muh rin
>Nasu being a polite Japanese man bowed and said it was for the best
>then wrote a short novel about Arturia and Merlin and Camelot to bundle in UBW BD which had Fate route ending as the most important and relevant one of the three routes which directly connects to FGO and big Universe and timeline crisis

Reminder that Nasu is such a hack that the entire plot of his most famous work revolves entirely around Saber randomly deciding not to enter the church at the start.

>>162108150
Just a clarification, by Top 5, I mean weekly sales rankings, but here's the current Top selling LNs in 2017(First Half). http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2017-06-01/top-selling-light-novels-in-japan-by-series-2017/.116866
SF ranks at 20.

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>>162108216
>>162108378
There's a reason Nasu stated that Shirou as a character doesn't actually grow. He doesn't change nor does he learn, he simply comes to terms with things he already knows. Every "big reveal" he does about his own character is about things he is aware of already, but tries not to think about.

I'm not sure if it's just dumbass Zero kiddies or what, but anybody who thinks Kiritsugu is the most mature of the two completely missed the point of both characters. Shirou begins, right from the get-go fully aware of the impossibility of his ideal. The screenshot is from early Fate route. He's not just aware of the difficulty, he's aware of the inherent contradiction: a world where everyone is saved is, for the most part, logically impossible. Even with near omnipotent powers, you cannot preserve both the attacker and the victim just as they are, because success for one side implies failure for the other.

Kiritsugu was seriously going for the Grail to attain a perfect world. He lied to himself into not accepting the idiotic contradiction and thought such a thing could really exist. It's such a dumb idea that Rin points it out offhand to both Archer and Shirou early on, and neither does anything other than casually nod because it's not news to them either. Kiritsugu's obsessive with pragmatism to the point of needless cruelty was his idiotic overcompensation for the fact that he never managed to get rid of his childish nature or fully accept reality. He actually, up to the end, thought his dream was something that could exist in reality if he just got his hands on a big enough power.

Shirou never cared for any of that. He understood the contradiction right from the beginning. The worst Kiritsugu says here were something he only accepted at the very end of his life, but Shirou grasps them perfectly from the start. There's no naivety in Shirou.

>>162102641
I'll give you a single word that exemplifies why Apocrypha is underperforming:

Astolfo.

Remove Astolfo or make him a girl and the show would be selling like hotcakes.

>>162108724
>entire plot of his most famous work revolves entirely around Saber randomly deciding not to enter the church at the start.

Doesn't she tell Shirou to go to the church in HF?

>>162108778

Yes, but only so late in the plot that the stakes had changed and Saber wouldn't just go "wait a second, I know that guy, he fucked everything up in the last grail war".

>>162108631
It was hard to see the point in the bloated text. Nasu didn't exactly know what he was trying to achieve in UBW.
You can notice how Nasu's writing improved in CCC.

>>162108724
Was Saber having memories from the previous Grail War even ultimately important to the plot? I can't remember.

>>162108867
Except Kirei didn't fuck up anything, as far as she knows. From her point of view Kiritsugu did it by ordering her to Excaliblast the Grail.

>>162108758
Apo is a fucking trash, removing one character will change nothing.

>>162108867
>>162108941
Post quotes from the VN to source your claims, secondaries.

>>162108880
>You can notice how Nasu's writing improved in CCC.

Kinoko Nasu: With anime, I think power balance that is shown objectively is ideal. This is just the image that the creator has in his head, but the ideal Shirou as a character study is a guy who doesn't crack one smile through the whole show. But in contrast, to get players to enjoy themselves during the long game, I had to pull off comedy bits as well. I personally couldn't think of what to do about that contradiction in this anime adaption. So even as I explained to the staff that Shirou was a character who didn't smile, I was resigned to the fact that it would be difficult in anime, which reflects more of general public. Anyway, when I saw the finished product, lines that perfectly captured what I wasn't able to put into words were integrated into this human being named Shirou. What they made was so ideal it made me flinch. (laughs)

Kinoko Nasu: When I reread that old material, I thought, "Ah, I'm looking the users straight in the eye. Look at how frankly I'm laying out what I want to say through this story," and I got this weird feeling of, "So that's the sort of person Old Me was". It's embarrassing, but it's like I'm admitting defeat, that it's something that Current-day Me can't do. That said, shoving your main theme down the audience's throat is bad in terms of anime structure. After all, it's entertainment. It's transmission that's going out to hundreds of thousands of people with different dispositions and tastes, so I want to start by gradually tuning them in to my wavelength and getting them to enjoy this anime. So I think the ideal outcome would be that they'll stick with us on this slow burner, or "long single story," and the theme will ultimately get across. Game and anime are different in that respect, too.

>>162108933
Not really. The only time it came up was when she was seeing Shirou's memories.

>>162107953
>F/sn uses the HGW as a backdrop for the characters and themes, which nasu excels at. All the other fate spinoff are just DUDE SERVANTS FIGHTING LMAO, which is fun but not as memorable.
Completely agree, I'm a big fan of the original F/SN VN but I can't really care about the rest of the Fate franchise since the only common elements in other entries are the Grail War and the whole idea of servants, which were not the reason why I loved the VN so much. I played CCC and even GO since people kept talking about how some of the later areas were really good, but they're only good if you're the kind of autist who unironically engages in Type Moon power level faggotry threads and is into Fate for the stat sheets and historical trivia.

>>162109005
>F/Z events
>sourcing from VN
Kirei didn't even do anything outrageous (by the HGW standards) during Zero, he fought in the war like every other mage. There's no reason for Saber to do anything besides being wary of him.

>>162108933
There's some wind now.
The vivid setting sun is lighting the bridge red.
"Oh."
Saber notices something and stops.
She is watching a mountain of rubble.

It's not that tall even though it's a 'mountain' of rubble.
Steel frames and the likes are piled right up to the water surface and are slightly distorting the flow of the river.
I don't know why, but it seems like a ship sank or something, and pieces of it flowed into a mountain.
I heard the local residents have been demanding its removal for a long time since it damages the beautiful sight.

"…? What's wrong, Saber? Did that catch your attention?"
"No, I was noticing that it still remains because I was the cause of it. I used the Noble Phantasm here, having fought on water in the previous war.
The only damage was that the river dried up, but I also destroyed the ship that was unfortunately anchored there."

"Huh? You mean Excalibur!?"
"Please do not worry as Kiritsugu said the owner had insurance. He parked the ship there as a buffer, so he used the ship as a wall to reduce the power of the Noble Phantasm."
"…Oh. So you destroyed the ship knowing it was there?"
"I did not know! Kiritsugu prepared it without telling me.
…I think Kiritsugu knew how the battle would turn out. I did not notice since he never said anything before or after he prepared the ship."

>>162109114
It wouldn't be so bad if the fights were actually interesting to look at. Unfortunately, you'd need a good budget and lots of time to pull that off.

>>162104361
The soundtrack was fucking beautiful.

>>162109178
>HF

After hearing the name "Einzbern," Saber gives me a hard look.
>"Saber? Do you also know the name Einzbern?"
>"…Yes, I do. Let me ask you instead. Do you not know of that name?"
>"Well, I've only heard of it. An unrelated guy asked me how the Einzbern girl was doing before I even met her."
>"……I see. Then you have not heard anything."
Saber closes her eyes and ponders.
>"…This must be fate. You should go to the church if you would like to know about the Einzbern family. That priest should be able to answer your questions and guide you to the path you must take."
>"The church…? You mean the church we went to yesterday? But he told us we shouldn't go back there unless I want to revoke my Command Spell."
>"He must have said that for expediency's sake. That rule is only part of the face he puts up for his association. It has no power if you are not part of their association."
>"You're right. But I still want to avoid that place… And I don't think I should go see that priest too much."
Saber hesitates. After frowning, she lifts up her face as if to shake off her hesitation.
>"He took part in the last Holy Grail War. I do not know which Servant he had, but Kiritsugu always took him seriously. Emiya Kiritsugu was a Master in the last Holy Grail War. He cooperated all the way through to the final fight. During the war, Emiya Kiritsugu saw the priest as his greatest enemy. He believed the priest was the only one who could defeat us. But I am sure the priest did not tell you because you did not ask him. He is a man who will answer you if you ask. He will tell you the truth if you inquire him about it."

>>162109320
>Fate

>"On that day when the town was in flames, the Holy Grail was destroyed. By the Master who betrayed me, Emiya Kiritsugu."
>"Emiya… Kiritsugu…?"
>"Yes. He was my Master ten years ago in the previous Holy Grail War. I won to the end, and the Holy Grail came into Kiritsugu's hands. Archer and his Master still remained, so the Holy Grail War should have been ended by their defeat."
>"But Kiritsugu threw the Holy Grail away. As a result, the town went into flames. …That man ordered me to destroy the Holy Grail because Servants are the only ones that can touch the Holy Grail. Kiritsugu used his last Command Spell to force me to destroy the Holy Grail."
>"Shirou. As you have seen my past in your dreams, I also saw your past. …I was surprised by your past, but I could not believe how much Kiritsugu had changed. Emiya Kiritsugu is a great person in your memories. But he is not like that in my memories."
>"…To state it simply, he was a typical magus. He was only interested in his objectives and he eliminated everything in his way. I could not see any human emotion in him. He only spoke to me three times during the whole war. …I do not think I need to tell you when he spoke to me."
>"He was not cruel nor a born killer. But he did not have anything that you would call emotion. Just as he treated me only as a tool, he treated himself only as an object."
>I do not know what he believed in to make him do so, but he ordered me to destroy the Holy Grail when it was in front of him. To be honest… I have never cursed the Command Spell or a Master who has betrayed me, more than I did at that time."
>"…I do not know. Kiritsugu summoned me in a legitimate way. As Kiritsugu's aptitude as a Master was high, he was hired by a magus family with a long history and entered the Holy Grail War. I heard that everything he needed to become a Master was provided by that family."

>>162108394
The Mirror Moon translation, but there never was voice in the H-Scenes
>>162108484
They are the funniest part of the game.

>>162109591
>I have never cursed the Command Spell or a Master who has betrayed me, more than I did at that time."

Come to think of it that is a weird line. Is it a translation goof because at that point she has only had two masters and unless I'm forgetting something the only Seal Shirou has used was to summon her to the school.

>>162105708
The second OP was pretty bad though.

>>162109811
There are some anons that say that the F/SN translation is pretty bad. I don't know how true this is though.

>>162107898
We should have just adapted FATE

>>162110163
It's difficult to adapt Fate as a TV series without changing a significant portion of it.

>>162103567
I remember them saying they wanted to do it

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>>162102641
>It feels like Apocrypha anime is just a throwaway Fate to advertise FGO.

Because it literally is. There's an interview where they said that they decided to animate it because a lot of popular servants are in it.

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>>162104361
>delete
What a fucking retarded holy shit

>>162110789
>a lot of popular servants are in it.

Mordred, Jeanne and Vlad?

Karna isn't all that popular and Astolfo really only took off whilst the show was airing. If anything, it's got the most "literally who" servants in Fate.

>>162102641
Advertisement for FGO.
Nobody cares about apocrypha. It is shit.
As long as the anime make people gacha roll for Rulah and Astolfo, it is already a success.

>>162110845
>Mordred
>Astolfo
>Jeanne
>Jack

Astolfo has always been popular as fuck. Probably the most popular Apo servant alongside Jeanne.

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>>162110845
>Astolfo really only took off whilst the show was airing

>>162108747
Kiritsugu makes a better protagonist though because his hamartia makes the series resonate with the viewers.

A more mature/well-rounded MC doesn't make the series better; in fact, I'd argue it makes it worse. It's Kiritsugu's missing the point that makes the series so well-liked.

It's meant to be a tragedy revolving around the fact that Kiritsugu can't see his own flaws. If Kiritsugu was a more mature character, Zero would be all the worse for it.

>>162110926
>>Jack

Really? People like this version of Jack? Why?

>Apo happened because of GO
So does that mean that Fragments is gonna be a thing because King Arthur whales iirc sold better than any of the Apo Servants(unless you count Jeanne Alter as the same as Vanilla Jeanne)

>>162110789
>There's an interview where they said that they decided to animate it because a lot of popular servants are in it.
Sounds like lots of bullshit, maybe at some point they realized this won't sell so they had to backpedal

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>>162111093
Same reason Prisma has four seasons and a movie

>>162111283
They probably thought its gonna be easy money since its Fate + GO on all time popularity.

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>>162110845
not Emiya, Modred and Jeanne, the rest are irrelevant

>>162111398
That poll is irrelevant. Only Fate artists were allowed to vote.

>>162111367
But the Prisma's are all far higher quality than Jack. Why settle for the cheaper alternative?

>>162111485
whynotboth.jpg

>>162111468
The general consensus are more or less the same

>>162102641
I want more of the Zeroverse. It was the most fun.

>>162102641
What went wrong with Apocrypha?

>>162111370
I also remember /a/ predicting Apocrypha is going to sell at over 10k.

>>162112299
It's shit

>>162112299
No Shirou, Kerry, or even Illya to carry it.

>>162111745
Wait for Case Files to get an anime then, melon 2.0 is the only character who has any more stories to tell

>boring adults (zero)
>cute girls (stay night)

Which had the better cast?

>>162112700
>boring "adults" (zero)
Fixed for you.

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if a full 12/26ep fate/go anime ever gets made it will break disc records or sell up to 70k units

>>162108284
Why are you still mad Fai?

>>162113044
hahahahaahaahahahah.

>>162112699
Makoto Sanda is not that good a writer.
It will end up being Apo-tier.

>>162111745
there is no ''zeroverse''

>>162112580
The only way Apo could ever sell well was through bundled FGO shit. I don't know what they were thinking when they decided to release Apocrypha as $300+ BD boxes per cour without any FGO extras instead of just doing it like Granblue.

>>162113044
But Grand Order lacks Seibah.

There's no-one in the earlier Singularity's that would match her popularity. Jannu's anime is tanking. Nero's will probably fair a bit better, but nowhere close to even UBW numbers. They'd be the first two heroine's of Grand Order and would take up the entire 2-cour first season.

>>162113410
>Two singularities
>2-cour season
What the fuck are you smoking?

>>162113410
24 ep Camelot will sell 100k thanks to fujos.

>>162113334
There should be.

>>162107423
I mean, their only purpose was to level up your servant's stats and to foreshadow Ryougi being there as the optional secret boss fight.
How do you think that would work in an anime adaptation?

Anyone who talks about BD sales for anime is a total retard. BD rarely has anything to do with success of an anime. It's all about merchandise and advertising for the source material. Prisma Illya has tons of merchandise that sells great.

>>162113473
Fuyuki was much shorter than Orleans and Septem and that still felt rused with an hour and a half movie. Taking out the OP/ED and preview and you're only left with 19 minutes of show in a regular season. Sure you could do 6 episodes per singularity and get an hour and 45 that way, but you'd be galloping through the adaptation by that point. You sure as hell wouldn't leave yourself time for any of the interludes, which are sometimes the best parts of each sigularity.

If you wanted to tell each story to its fullest, you'd need to give it time.

Aniplex fucked up with giving Apoc to Netflix and not giving BD Box with subs.

>>162113830
What would that even be, you retard?
Zero is followed by SN chronollogically. You would have to change a lot of things in Zero for SN not to happen if you want some kind of "zeroverse" that doesn't lead to SN

>>162114041
He probably want stories dealing with Zero characters with the same tones as Zero.

>>162113397
Maybe they overesitimated the nip's shit taste.

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>>162113830
But a ''''''zeroverse''''''' is literally just the rest of the nasuverse, there is nothing unique to it that could be split off like the extraverse

>>162114084
Retarded. Everything that should be told about everyone was told. What more could you do?

>>162114084
Like the UBW anime?

Apoc was doomed to fail
>F/Z gets announced and gets a almost a full year before airing
>F/SN project announced Summer 2013 and UBW doesn't air until Fall 2014 and HF coming out next month
>Last Encore announced Spring 2016 and not coming out until Winter 2018
>Apoc announced New Years and starts a half a year later

Fate only sells well when it is being worked on extensively over a extended period. Apoc was thrown out the door as they even said it only happened because of F/GO

>yfw they releas the Tsukihime remake as a tv series and not as a VN

Nasu +UFO=ubw 35k
Nasu+shaft=fe
Urobuchi+UFO=fz 55k
Urobuchi+shaft=Madoka 80k

>>162114041
>>162114144
That's not what I meant.
Just side stories that are close to the tone of Zero. Maybe make something interesting of the failed previous holy grail wars.

>>162114215
Would more time really improve the series though? Since its an LN, Apoc should be easy to adapt.

>>162111745
>>162113334
>>162113830
Zero takes place in the Stay Night universe.

>tsukihime
tsukihime
kagestu tohya
tsukihime 2?
>Melty Blood
MB
Act Cadenza
Actress Again
>Fate/stay night
stay night
hollow ataraxia
zero
unlimited codes
lord el-melloi ii's case files
>EXTRA
extra
extra ccc
extra ccc foxtail
extella
extella link

>>162114399
Case Files would be the closest thing I guess. No grail wars though.

>>162113943
Orleans and Septem deserve to be trimmed anyway

>>162114383
Nasu is credited as series composition in the Extra anime, he probably has a lot more involvement with it.
He might soon start thinking of writing an original anime like Urobuchi-senpai.

>>162114422
It wouldn't have hurt it.

Look at Prisma.
It is meh but White Fox knows they need at least a year between seasons at this point which is good.

Imagine if the Shirou movie came out 3 months after the 4th season ended. It would not be considered such a great adaption based on Nips reaction to it.

>>162102641
I think Aprocrypha pretty much condemned itself to irrelevancy when they pulled the "Shiro" twist. And everyone knows it from the start with the anime.

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>>162102641
Fate/Zero never had an adaptation before.
Everyone already played the visual novel and saw DEEN's things, they weren't expecting a good job from ufotable.
Apocrypha is some shitty dragonball Z spin-off.

F/SN: Unlimited Blade Works by ufotable is still the best fate related anime.

>>162104361
They selected the now iconic voice cast.

>>162117751
>F/SN: Unlimited Blade Works by ufotable is still the best fate related anime.
Zero was a much better adaptation, mostly because it's much easier to adapt the LN than the VN route. I can't judge UBW in a void since it's hard for me to ignore my disappointment due to how it fails to properly adapt the source material. Someone who hasn't read either of the originals but has watched both anime would probably be in a better position to judge which one was better by itself.

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>>162107846
He was also starving the whole time.

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>>162118000
>due to how it fails to properly adapt the source material.
Stop it. It was adapted incredibly well. I've read the UBW route at least three times and I'm more than satisfied with the way it was treated in the anime. It's fine if you prefer the VN to the anime, I can see why, but the anime took every internal monologue and turned it visual.

>>162108394
https://mega.nz/#F!YsMExJRZ!VlBKuXGFC_I2O-sELqzmjA

But don't use the patch that comes with it, download the full patch from here http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/4745

>>162102641
Fate rides on the back of Shinji and EMIYA Archer.
None of the adapatations or comics work or sell without him.
None of them.
Even that deeply creepy and logically retarded camelot side story with saber bombed. And saber is supposedly the the pikachu of the fate series.

The FGO thing is doing well because the universe is well thought out has lots of history (if not chuuni and kind of stupid what with sex changing every character in history) and has a lot of potential for DONUT STEEL characters.
Illya is doing well because...well...it's "softcore"(lol, it's a thin strip of drawn assfloss and strategically placed flower petal away from being hardcore porno) yuri pedo porn. The pedo japanese neckbeards and legbeards eat that shit up.

>>162118267
They also added their own spin on some scenes, some great, some questionable.

For example, I thought the Berserker fight at the beginning and Caster's attack on the church was pretty good.

The Taiga hostage scene was weird. I liked that it showed Caster's growing power in the anime, but I also liked the scene in the VN because she invades Shirou's house, which is the one place he should be the safest.

>>162118731
Agreed about the hostage situation. Invading Shirou's house makes her seem even more threatening, like the characters have no safe places left.

>>162114807
He should write Fate/Grand Order Zero.

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>>162102875
>Watching F/A for the plot and not Astolfo
Kek

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>>162103116

>>162111626
>The general consensus are more or less the same
Except it's not see FGO surveys. Artoria is far lower FAR lower and Gil beats Emiya in those.

That poll was just taken by a few subscribers of that magazine. Nobody else was allowed to vote. Nobody in Japan gave a fuck about it, it had less than 1k.

>>162112299
Shit Protag.

>>162112299
No Shirou

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>>162112299
It's extremely inconsistent, the characters are poor (going with a huge, shallow cast instead of a few focused main characters is normally a bad idea) and the action scenes are extremely poor.
Do I need to tell you that magic laser fights are tacky and idiotic or can you figure that out yourself?

>>162120967
Marik is cool tho.

>>162121638
But does he need to look like a teenage Archer? His design reeks of lack of originality. He literally looks like that ONLY to trick people into watching/reading to figure out what the fuck is going on. There is no other fucking purpose.
If that isn't a huge red flag that the author has no merit as a writer and needs to trick people into checking out his stuff, I don't know what is.

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>>162121357

>>162122072
https://youtu.be/P01zSWCniH8?t=3m11s

>>162121694
I like the guy, but yeah, that was a bitch move from Hackshide even Marik's outfit is also red and black.

>>162102641
it's too bad, I like Apocrypha lot, UBW had a strong start but it becomes iffy during the last half, I don't know how Apo ends but it will probably be better than UBW at least

>>162119636
Artoria ranks low in GO surveys because she has 9 versions all competing for votes since they're counted seperately.

>>162102951
Apocrypha is pre F/GO, you know that right?

>>162104193
It will be 12 episodes of pure Nero banter and it will be the best selling anime of all time

Apocrypha sells bad because best girl died first. RIP Fran.

>>162108176
I'm liking Apocrypha more than Zero overall, it has Kotomine whose great in every scene he's in but overall but it focuses to much on stuff I don't care about like Kiritsugu, Tohsaka/Matou drama and a lot of down time and only a little on the stuff I like, Saber included.

>>162123115
She really doesn't look like she's up for banter in those PV's. It looks like melancholy and suffering.

>>162110789
that doesn't mean it's not good, Berserk anime adaption was in production for years and look how that turned out, just because something is spur of the moment doesn't mean it isn't good, the animation is good and the novels had tons of effort and care put into them to be a proper Fate story, don't make it sound like it's just some rushed story.

>>162123384
melanchic and suffering banter with her sousha, it's just depression play to make the sex more dramatic

>>162123417
>the animation is good
You can't be serious.

>>162122953
Apoc has two saber clones and the actual arturia and it's still shitting the bed in ratings and fan rankings.

>>162102641
Because they won't sell without Shirou.

>>162122910
>UBW had a strong start but it becomes iffy during the last half,

Explain?

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>>162102641
>It feels like Apocrypha anime is just a throwaway Fate to advertise FGO.
FGO itself is a "throaway Fate". The whole franhise has turned into soulless, hyper-commercialized crap. UBW was successful due to adapting the original, extremely iconic and memorable VN. Zero is the direct prequel. Everything else is milking and they fucking know it, which is why they won't bother putting too much effort into adapting them.

To be honest I just want Tsukihime Remake to come out so it gets a KnK-like adaptation, because it absolutely deserves one. I love it so fucking much. But hey, we live in a shitty world where normalfags only know Fate, and only for the Servant shit that wasn't even the core of Fate/stay night.

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>>162123478
what, you mean to say it's not a good looking show?

>>162123712
This guy knows. Most fate media is trash, there are very few good stuff.

>>162114433
could make a ova or something about one of the 2 failed grail wars in greece where all the masters eneded up killing each other over who to summon before it could even start

>>162123775
>picking the OP to show an anime's animation
not that guy, but that's not how it fucking works

>>162123712
What happened to Fate after CCC?

>>162123712
F/SN and F/Z were good because they actually told a fucking story. Everything else is just "ayyy let's get a bunch of servants to fight"

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>>162123991
I woudn't have singled out the OP if the show itself wasn't just as good, it's consistent

>>162124058
>Everything else is just "ayyy let's get a bunch of servants to fight"

That doesn't describe EXTRA and CCC at all. I wouldn't even say that describes Extella. Sure Extella only has one non-servant, but there's an actual story rather than non-stop servant fights.

>>162111093
Because in FGO she's the only 5* Assassin in the game that isn't a limited and she's the best at generating crits stars removing enemy buffs, and for being in a lolisquad friendship with Jeanne Jr and NR, a good portion of the fanbase like to be gameplayfags so there's that.

>>162124212
what about paul bunyan, is she part of the lolisquad?

>>162124135
>consistent
Not really. The peak of the animation itself is in the first three episodes (it tops at the Karna vs Saber fight at episode 3). The fights in the last episode and the episode before that just didn't have the same flair to them. It's not just the fights, either. Early on, even the way characters moved was well animated.

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>>162124135
You can't be seriously thinking this is a good fight scene.
Shit looks choppy as fuck and that garbage A-1 choreography makes me wanna puke.
Literally seasonal action harem trash tier.

>>162124135
No, it's really inconsistent and like choppy to try and make the characters look like they're going fast and also a poor attempt to hide that the studio can't fluidly animate fight scenes without shitty camera angles.

>>162124478
>Literally seasonal action harem trash tier.

Isn't that where Apocrypha belongs?

>>162123321
Nobody cares about Shirou, Rin and Sakura.
Kirei, Illya and Medusa carry FSN.

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>>162124396
it's stays a solid looking show throughout, you guys are acting like this show is a pain to watch

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>>162114367
Would be pretty great to be honest. They'd probably give it to ufotable and put lots of effort into it to make up for not being a full VN. It'd be a shame if they only did the promised Sachiin route and nothing else though.

>>162124577
> Kirei
That guy always talks like he needs to take a shit badly. One of the worst VA i've ever heard.

>>162124272
Wait until the next silly event that involves lolis or Christmas since NR and Jack in the Paul event were RiyoGudako's not yours.

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>>162124478
I don't know what your expecting out of a television anime but i've been impressed so far

>>162124544
Well, yeah. But I thought F/GO bucks would make it look above average.

>>162114367
>>162124619
Use the Tsukihime manga as a base. Nasu even prefers it over his Near Side.

>>162124058
Actually, the only good story to come out of F/SN was the UBW route.
And a good chunk of that was overly wordy nonsense and terrible porn.

I'd be all for an OVA that takes the best from the Fate and HF route and finds a way to seemlessly tie it all together into a single route and make it about shirou's history and archer's redemption

>>162124699
Expecting anything out of A-1 always leads to disappointment.

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>>162124823

>>162124823
Nasu is a hack when it comes to exposition and porn. It's like he just tacks H scenes on just to appeal to a certain audience.

I thought all three of them were pretty good stories, though HF is kind of meh towards the end.

>>162124971
>It's like he just tacks H scenes on just to appeal to a certain audience.
That's literally what he did, because Takeuchi is a money grabbing chinkjew.

>>162108758
How about removing about half the characters, limiting the fights to one every three or four episodes, and force the whole thing to be resolved with neither side winning, just everyone fucking dies?

>>162124898
People hate the HF route and Fate route is a distant second to UBW.
It's not even as egregiously bad or impactful as the HF route so it's just utterly forgettable.

>>162124823
>Actually, the only good story to come out of F/SN was the UBW route.

What's wrong with Fate and HF?

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>>162125163
What kind of bizzaro world did you fell off?

>>162125163
Fate and UBW > HF.

Prove me wrong.

>>162125218
Fate is very lacking. None of the other characters are ever really fleshed out, and a huge chunk of the war happens off-screen.

Nothing fucking happens for like half of HF.

>>162102641
Good.

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So do you guys still think it looks awful?

>>162125385
This is the beginning of Fate, right?

>>162125385
Yeah, it has decent looking scene here and there.
Doesn't make the whole package look less cheap

>>162125474
anime is cheap by it's nature, I think everyone is just jumping on the bandwagon and being biassed for the sake of it

where is buttmad eop FGO hater and his walls of text about "true nasuverse muh normalfags"?

>>162126134
Or maybe it's because we have standards and don't like choppy, cheap animation when we know it could be a lot better with just a bit of effort.

>>162126251
In the Apocrypha thread

>>162126599
you can say that about any show, I don't see everyone getting up in arms over Magical Guru Guru, there great fucking shows and you shouldn't worry over the details of how much better it could be when you can enjoy how good it is already.

>>162126852
>I don't see everyone getting up in arms over Magical Guru Guru
No idea what that is. Thing is, Fate is an established franchise and has a much larger fanbase, so it should have some better quality control.

>>162126852
People were simply contesting the original claim that "the animation is good". >>162123417

>>162102641
F/A was always the least popular spin-off/side-story Fate work, this is no surprise. And to add, even most anime fans in Nipland hate A-1 since they are literally the biggest garbage dump studio who do whatever Aniplex/Sony tells them to do when it comes to anime adaptions or original works.

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>>162126932
and it is, but everyone is obsessed with how they want better
>>162126932
Guru Guru is a 20 year old show and if anyone has reason to complain about how different the animation turned out to be from the original series to now it would be those fans, but they don't because their not fucking asses and would rather spend their time enjoying the show, something you guys seem to have trouble with despite it being good to spectacular, at the end of the day you just want it to be ufotable who did the adaption wether or not the studio who actually took it up have done a good job adapting it or not

>>162110991
That's not the reason normalfags like Kerry.

>>162127214
>yes, the animation is cheap and choppy
>but it's still good because all anime is like that
I'm not convinced.

>>162108176
It was basically a self-contained story preteneding to be a prequel.

>>162102641
Well that's what they fucking get for trying to capitalize on the trap meme to push sales, hope it bites them right on the ass.

>>162127539
>self-contained
No way. Without having read FSN you will have no idea what's going on with the grail bullshit.

>>162127607
Grail bullshit plays very, very small role near the ending.
Anyway, SF adaptation when.
I want some decent fateshit again.

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>>162110845
>Karna isn't all that popular

>>162102641
Why are you ignoring the fact that a shitty FGO ova without any fucking extras sold 33k?

>>162124971
>It's like he just tacks H scenes on just to appeal to a certain audience.

That's the point. You can't sell a VN without porn in 2004

>>162126251
Probably baiting in your own threads, brainlet GOfag.

>>162128179
Because everyone already knows nips love the taste of trash, or that "game" wouldn't have had any success in the first place.

>>162102641
Reminder that the point the novels started selling less was when Sieg was fully the lead

>>162108176
no shitrou

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>>162129809
He was in Zero though.

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It's almost like Fate's done nothing but go down hill, and all that remains is a thinly veiled waifu shilling simulator.

>>162102641
because A-1 always fuck up all their adaptation.

>>162128179
The OVA is such a mistake, Roman and Mashu got first place in a chink popularity pol because Chinks got spoiled on what happened to them.

>>162130529
At least we got carnival phantasm

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>>162127607
That's why it's a good "sequel bait" prequel. For newbies just getting into the series, they'd go "man I wonder why the grail is ceaselessly shitting evil poop all over the city".
Sadly most viewers didn't bother to watch UBW to follow up on this or the ones that did complained it focused on a small, well developed cast instead of a large, shallow pool of characters being "cool".

>>162125385
>Copy/pasted stretched fire
>Shitty composition
>Shitty water CG
>Almost 0 animation.

>>162124617
>They can't even keep the shading consistent.

>>162130529
What a surprise! It's almost like he wrote a complete story and then tried to milk it by adding unnecessary spin-offs.

>>162131503
Aka the worst possible shit.

>>162126251
Don't summon him.

>>162133081
False.

>>162133081
Carnival Phantasm was light-hearted fun.