You know the anime industry is fucked when a Naruto sequel has

>>162041729
>You know the anime industry is fucked
Thank Americans and internet streaming.

>>162041729
What's so good about this webm?

>>162041769
>That smooth as fuck CQC where Shin steals the kunai
>All that crazy sliding and the pipes and running and the walls and ceiling

Its pure sakuga porn.

>>162041729
Sequel to very popular and financially profitable series known for its occasional amazingly animated fights also has occasional amazingly animated fights?

Seems like the industry is doing fine...

>>162041729

virgin soul has great animation but no one is watching it

>>162041729
Well when the remaining 23 minutes are a powerpoint presentation that's not too weird.

>>162041830
>That smooth as fuck CQC where Shin steals the kunai

It's pretty shit and has no weight to it, the choreography is shamlessly ripped from other movies

>>162041729
Naruto has always had top-tier fight animation on occasion, what are you on about?

>>162042240
what movie?

This is Naruto now? the Naruto I remember had very boring fights with lots of blurry framed animations, I haven't watched it in like 12 years, did the studio change or something?

It looks a lot better now, but its definitely at 600+ episodes at this point, how does the story hold up in all of this

Naruto always had decent/good fighting animations.
It was the main cast that was annoying most of the time.

>>162042240
Yeah, you can tell is it rotoscoped at certain parts such as the initial hand to hand combat fight at the start

>>162042506
also I totally skimmed something here
>Sakura being able to fight a real enemy on her own
what the fuck

>>162041729
Holy fuck this is years ahead of Naruto Shippuden animation
I should give Boruto a try

>>162042506
The studio was always held back by Kishi's boring fights and choreography. Whenever they did their own thing the animation was great and the webm is proof because literally none of that happened in the manga. Now they pretty much have complete control over the story so they can do things like the webm.

Its also about Naruto's son now. Its better than it sounds.

>>162042240
How unique can choreography be until it's all basically the same shit?

>>162042521
>always

Try sometimes

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>>162042618
Do it. Just don't be put off by the flash forward at the beginning.

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>>162042377

00:03 spin kick, Metal Gear Solid 4 02:23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ_ZbMOreZI

00:05- back hand knife stabs Winter soldier 02:11 (this one is unquestionable.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXPOl6EjbWg

00:09- reversed elbow to the face ,Only God Forgives 02:45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh45O6mcb-o

It's just a mixmash of flashy moves, copied from fight scenes in films and stapled together. Thats why it seem so disjointed and weightless. There's probably more in there, but I cant bother to find them.

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>>162042620
Really? damn thats surprising, back when Naruto first started airing, I liked the Zabuza fight but was ultimately unimpressed with the exams that came after when Sasuke fought Orochimaru for the first time, there was a lot of really derpy animation that turned me off, haven't seen it since then.

Are they any notably well animated or interesting fights in it, shippuden or the sequel? I'm interested to check them out without having to watch 600 something episodes of whatever

>>162042780
I'm legit impressed how you did that.

>>162042883
Rock Lee vs Garra? Naruto vs Sasuke?

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>>162042926
I scare myself sometimes.

But I knew I had seen that flashy spinny knife backhand stab before.

my very own "i know that bulge" moment.

>>162042937
Yeah, the Rock Lee fight was pretty cool, never got to see the Naruto vs Sasuke fight though, it looks like there's quite a few of them now, I'm watching the first one at the moment

>>162042506
Naruto always had the best fights in all of anime, until the power levels got too high. It has the perfect balance between strategy and action.

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>>162042780
jesus fuck, dude

good shit.

>>162042883
Shippuden
>Kakashi and Team 10 vs Kakuzen and Hidan
>Naruto vs Pain if you can stomach some weird smearing
>Kakashi vs Obito
>Sakura vs Sasori
>Sasuke vs Deidara
>Sasuke vs Killer B
>Naruto and Sasuke final battle
>The final few episodes of Shippuden which adapt some light novels have amazing art direction and animation
>Some of the filler has suddenly good animation
Boruto (so far)
>Boruto vs Hanabi
>Boruto and Shikadai vs stalker
>Both Mitsuki vs Sumire fights
>Boruto vs Nue
>>162042683

Those are the ones I can name off the top of my head.

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>>162043008
I never saw the rematch, but this was so hype as a kid

>>162043081
I have a good visual memory.

But I can understand why they take such shortcuts. 3-4 guys have 2 days to animate this scene before it's off to coloring and SFX, under such time restrains you take shortcuts and hope autistic little retards like me dont notice.

>>162043133
I'm surprised at how smooth the animation is on some parts of this fight, this is a lot better than what I was expecting, what the fuck

>>162043092
I'm gonna go through and watch these one by one and if the plot catches me I guess I'll watch the whole series, is the story decent or is it just the fights? Thanks for the list by the way, I'm out of the loop with this one

>>162042780
how did you recognize that?

>>162041830
Sakuga? This? This is Sakuso.

>>162043231
Shippuden after the Pain are is garbage. I'd say just watch the good fights and gain a general idea of what happened and just move onto Boruto where the writing has been pretty decent so far.

>>162043332
Not being a newfag

>>162043231
part 1 Naruto is actually pretty solid

part 2 (Shippuden) has its flaws, as anyone will tell you, but its never terrible or anything. Has cool moments too like the Kazuku/Hidan match, Sasuke vs Itachi, Madara vs the world, etc

I remember the days when Naruto threads would immediately get laughed off the board and narutards banned

>>162043231
Also check out the Boruto movie for the Naruto and Sasuke vs Momoshiki fight. The Last movie also has some good animation but nothing as cool as the other one.

>>162043468
Thanks for notifying us

>>162043468
well I remember a time when the only thing that was discussed on /a/ was moeshit.

Naruto is cancer

>>162043230
Why don't they give them more time to animate the episodes?

>>162043468
You mean the days where we also posted ragefaces, trollface.jpg and shit like "mudkipz" and "IMA FIRIN MAH LAZ0R"?

>>162043634
Gotta get them out for next week. I remember Kakashi vs Obito was nice.

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>>162041729
Naruto has always had fights like this on occasion.

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>>162041729
>You know the anime industry is fucked when a massively successful worldwide phenomenon has better animation than some niche risk.

>>162043378
Shut up newfag

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>>162043468
I recall moot cracking down on the board and banning faggots like you

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>>162043634
budgets, money. The studio can only alot so much time of the year to one series or project before they need to move on to the next.

This isnt the first time they have copied fights from film. Pic related.

>>162043814
Who?

>>162043869
;_; why did he leave us?

Oi, what the fuck happened to ninja running? What is that hand swinging shit?

>>162041769
>i know nothing of animation

But to OP, Naruto has *always* had an episode like this every 20 or so episodes. I haven't watched Boruto, but this is par for the course. The trade off is that the other 19, non-movie-quality eps, are usually shit. Is this still accurate for Boruto?

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>>162043891

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>>162042780
N-NANI

>>162043911
Dunno, not everyone does it anymore.
Even when Sasuke and Naruto teamed up in the Boruto movie, Sasuke was the only one doing the ninja run in the final fight, Naruto was running normally.

>>162043841
So when people sperg out about Naruto's animation, the animation that they hold in such high regard isn't even from Naruto?

>>162044025
They still had to draw that shit manually, you know?
They didn't just take a movie and slap a "naruto filter" over it.

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>>162043634
The epsidoes go into initial production up to four months before the air date. But even with that sort of timeframe for the whole process you can see they make changes right up to the last minute where episode previews from the previous week have animation that changes by the time the episode airs.

>>162044025
No, the animation is from Naruto, it's just that the good choreography came from a better anime.

>>162042780
sorry, but i dont see anything thats ripped off from these scenes. looks like bait to me

>>162044056
I suppose, but it's not like it's particularly impressive. It's still a feat that I wouldn't be able to accomplish, but I'm much more impressed with the people who did the original choreography.

Of course, it's not like this hasn't been done to Naruto in turn; the Boondocks, for example.

>>162044025
Most of the most memorable and well animated fights in the series are original, but once in a while we get lazy or rushed animation.

I liked the original naruto, but the quality and story just dropped like an anchor after the first Sasuke vs Naruto fight and shippuden.

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>>162042780
What da fug.

>>162042627
How unique can anything be until it's all the same shit?

AI will kill all originality within the next fifteen years regardless.

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Naruto has by far the most care put into its' "big episodes" out of any long running shounen, ever. Some of them are animated by fucking animation LEGENDS such as Shindo Yamashita and many, many episodes with Norio Matsumoto like Naruto 130, Shippuuden 166 and 167 that took like a year to fucking make. This is nothing new despite the MAH PAIN memes associated with 167 (it looks stupid as fuck in this series, but it was the best animated episode of anything in the last few years... well... actually, that probably aired like fucking 10 years ago now so nvm)

>>162044144
Need to feature things that have more or less than two arms and two legs to get into unique fight coreography.

>>162041729
Naruto is one of the most popular anime series
Dumb post

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>>162044100

>>162041729
>1 scene
Wow, I wonder how the animation is most of the time.
this isn't even anything new with Naruto.

>>162044351
See
>>162042683
as well as
>Boruto vs Hanabi
>Boruto and Shikadai vs stalker
>Both Mitsuki vs Sumire fights

Not to mention the series has some great lighting sometimes.

Naruto

17: White Past: Hidden Ambition (Naruto vs. Haku)

19: The Demon in the Snow (Land of Waves arc finale)

30: The Sharingan Revived: Dragon-Flame Jutsu! (Sasuke vs. Orochimaru)

48: Gaara vs. Rock Lee: The Power of Youth Explodes!

71: An Unrivaled Match: Hokage Battle Royale (Sarutobi vs. Orochimaru)

133: A Plea From a Friend (Naruto vs. Sasuke)

139: Pure Terror! The House of Orochimaru (Filler)

146: Orochimaru's Shadow (Filler)

151: Blaze Away, Byakugan! This is My Ninja Way! (Hinata vs. The Kamizuru Clan) (Filler)

Naruto Shippuden

26: Puppet Fight: 10 vs. 100! (Sakura & Chiyo vs. Sasori)

35: An Unnecessary Addition

42: Orochimaru vs. Jinchuriki (Naruto vs. Orochimaru)

82: Team Ten (Asuma's funeral)

85: Terrifying Secret (Team Ten & Kakashi vs. Hidan & Kakuzu)

120: Kakashi Chronicles Part 2

123: Clash! (Sasuke vs. Deidara)

131: Honored Sage Mode! (Jiraiya vs. Pain)

137: Amaterasu! (Sasuke vs. Itachi)

143: The Eight Tails vs. Sasuke

166: Confessions (Hinata vs. Pain)

167: Planetary Devastation (Naruto vs. Pain) (I know this one is debatable)

178: Iruka's Decision (Filler)

180: Inari's Courage Put to the Test (Filler)

194: The Worst Three-Legged Race (Filler)

204: Power of the Five Kage (Sasuke vs. The Kages)

209: Danzo's Right Arm (Sasuke vs. Danzo)

219: Kakashi Hatake, The Hokage

234: Naruto's Favorite Student (Konohamaru vs. Temari) (Filler)

>>162044491
248: The Fourth Hokage's Death Match (Minato vs. Tobi)

252: The Angelic Herald of Death (Konan vs. Tobi)

262: War Begins!

270: Golden Bonds (Shinobi Alliance vs. Kinkaku)

277: Unison Sign

280: Aesthetics of an Artist (Only the last few minutes; Shinobi Alliance vs. Deidara)

290-295: Chikara Arc (Filler)

303: Ghosts from the Past (Shikamaru, Choji, Neji, & Kiba vs. Sound Four)

311: Prologue of Road to Ninja (Filler)

319: The Soul Living Inside the Puppet (Kankuro vs. Chiyo)

322: Madara Uchiha (Shinobi Alliance vs. Madara)

329: Two-Man Team (Naruto & Kurama vs. The Tailed Beasts)

336: Kabuto Yakushi

345: I'm in Hell

353: Orochimaru's Test Subject (Kakashi vs. Smoke Ninjas)

363: The Allied Shinobi Forces Jutsu (Shinobi Alliance vs. Ten Tails)

375: Kakashi vs. Obito

476-478: Naruto vs Sasuke Finale

Were all movie quality tier episodes. This is nothing new.

>>162042780

...

The only one of those three you've specifically referenced that could reasonably be called a reference is the knife trick and stabs from Winter Soldier, since it's a specific shot and the rhythm of the maneuver is the same.

Nothing of the other two is directly ripped from the sources you purport, and they're literally such basic "flashy" maneuvers that even calling them a reference is reaching. You can find the same maneuvers in pretty much any amateur choreography reel or martial arts "trick" montage.

There is certainly a lot of direct reference on part of animators to specific fight choreography or film scenes but the ones you've attempted to point out really aren't that close and are, at the very worst, just referencing the general maneuver instead of specific shots from a given film.

The problems with this specific sequence are that the characters don't maintain continuity with their positions when switching from shot to shot, so when specific events happen it feels like they aren't moving in sequence. For example, when this Shin character does his shoulder throw he teleports to the opposite side of Sakura and her arm is straight up for some reason, when in the previous shot she was just reeling from being hit in the face and he was turned the other way. Then, in the next shot, sakura's head is on Shin's left when, during the throw, it's to his right in the direction of the throw. These mistakes from shot to shot, which may be due to referencing other animators' work, is what makes the sequence feel disjointed and awkward for some people.

>>162042780
Most well animated fight scenes obviously take reference from real footage, that way they look like actual real movement. Just because the scene is referenced from somewhere it doesn't mean it's somehow not well animated.

Now you'll tell me that since the Haruhi concert scene is clearly referenced from real footage that it's badly animated. Retard.

>>162042240
>and has no weight to it

That's what armchair experts say when they want to pretend they know about animation.

>>162041745
if anything japanese have the same if more shit taste than americucks

>>162044660
>...

>>162044660
We can safely asume that most of the first 10 seconds of that fight is rotoscoped from films since they are so blatant about the Winter Soldier one >>162044326, with only transitional moves being added.

And as pointed out, >>162043841 it isnt the first time this has occured in the series.

>>162044838
...

>>162042683
It's like they're trying to move everything faster to cover the mistakes. Especially that rolling at the end. That's not how the human anatomy works.

>>162043930
the fight in episode 14 was also very good

>>162044879
Yeah I'm sure having clones of yourself moving at superhuman speed while fighting a monster is not how humans actually work you fucking idiot.

>>162043369
Alright, I'll give it a shot, thanks.

>>162043466
I've heard the fillers have parts of the canon plot tied into them, is it enough to have to watch them, if I do watch the series? I was just gonna follow one of the filler guides and skip them but I'm seeing a lot of 'mostly filler' and 'mostly canon' too

>>162043468
Yeah, tell me about it, the last time I even watched Naruto was the time it was bannable on this board, it has to have been somewhere near 10 years now

>>162043528
Will do, thanks, I saw a clip from it a little while back with the DBZ style action stuff and thought it looked pretty cool, but I didn't know what it was from until I checked that title

>>162041729
filler series

>>162045078
>I've heard the fillers have parts of the canon plot tied into them, is it enough to have to watch them, if I do watch the series

The Kakashi ANBU filler is kinda canon and cool. The final 20 or so episodes of Shippuden are adaptation of some canon light novels which are pretty good.

>>162044720
>Now you'll tell me that since the Haruhi concert scene is clearly referenced from real footage that it's badly animated. Retard.

No because it's clearly footage of the performers of that song, who probably made that song specificaly for that series or licensed it to the series.

The winter soldier example borders on copyright infringement.

fuckface.

>>162045189
I didn't know you could copyright basic choreography

>>162043930
Might be on track for particularly good sequences every 12-14 episodes if they are cycling the animators regularly. But in any case the regular episodes have been pretty consistent in the animation quality so far and it seems the standard in general is higher than early Naruto or Shippden.

>>162045172
Yeah, I saw a previous anon mention those light novel episodes, they're the ones with the cool art at the beginning of the episodes right? One of my friends was going on about how unique and unlike the series they were, I'm currently making my way through all of these fights someone here listed, I'm pretty interested to see the LN episodes

>>162045078
>I've heard the fillers have parts of the canon plot tied into them, is it enough to have to watch them, if I do watch the series? I was just gonna follow one of the filler guides and skip them but I'm seeing a lot of 'mostly filler' and 'mostly canon' too

Watch Naruto Kai

The autism in this thread is staggering

>>162045189
That makes no fucking sense, how do you even copyright a 2 second sequence of a fight? Do you even know how animation even works you fucking newfag?

>>162045247
You can.
http://www.nytimes.com/1981/01/11/arts/the-copyright-law-and-dance.html?pagewanted=all

>>162045286
Oh cool, didn't know about this, thanks for mentioning it

>>162044848
You can't safely assume dick. Different keyframers have different tendencies when blocking, choreographing and animating.

That some sequences are rotoscoped or direct, animated references to other works does not automatically make the same true of every sequence shown in a given property or by a given keyframer, even within the same segments. I've seen a whole 1 second of animation I could pick out as a direct reference, with the other minute of it being, apparently, wholly new sequences with spuriously attributed inspiration. Show more instances of direct comparisons a la the knife trick, and then we'll "safely assume" it's been taken from other sources.

On top of that, there's an implication, from the way you've phrased the act of taking the choreography or blocking from other media, that it being rotoscoped or a referenced sequence at all is somehow a black mark against the animation. Which is ridiculous.

>>162044660
>...
Can leddit please leave?
Jesus fucking christ this thread is cancer.

>>162045377
>the act of taking the choreography or blocking from other media, that it being rotoscoped or a referenced sequence at all is somehow a black mark against the animation. Which is ridiculous.

Why not?
>Oh, I wasnt copying the bassline in Queens "Another One Bites The Dust" I was only referencing it in this song which is completely original.
In every other media it's considered copyright infringement. Get your head out of your ass.

>>162045071
Not him, but the events being fantastical doesn't have anything to do with what he's saying.

>>162044660
>...
Kill yourself.

>>162045377
>referencing is somehow a black mark
But it is. Is it impressive? Sometimes? Is it as impressive as making it yourself? No.

>>162045071
Look up "suspension of disbelief".

>>162041729
Why yes, a popular show has better animation than stuff that airs at 1AM and depends on 3k BD sales.

>>162045625
He's that Boruto moving really fast is there only to cover some "mistakes", and that real humans don't move like that. Of course they fucking don't move at super speed and get thrown onto a tree so hard it breaks. He's just trying to nitpick and say the animation somehow isn't good.

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>>162041729
meanwhile in dragon ball super

>>162042780
Only the winter soldier sequence looks similar enough, the rest are typical martial arts moves that anyone with exposure to the movies or styles can come up with on the spot. Anyway, it's no slight against the animator who came up with the sequence. He did a great job nonetheless.

>>162045936
> He's that Boruto moving really fast is there only to cover some "mistakes", and that real humans don't move like that
I'm pretty sure the "That's not how the human anatomy works" was specifically in reference to the roll, not in reference to the speed of movement.

>>162042780
the winter soldier one is spot-on, good eye.
The others are similar moves from completely different angles, thus irrelevant if we're talking about invalidating the animation skill because they "copied other films".

>>162041729
Naruto has always had the budget/talent for good fight scenes when they wanted to, partially because it's so successful it has that much money behind it. Nothing about this is surprising or unusual in any way, nor does it indicate any negative trend in the industry.

>>162041729
>blatant rotoscoping
fuck off
look at her stupid fucking run at the start, and then the jarring shift when her dogshit cartoon design suddenly morphs into realistic human anatomy because they literally just traced over footage

>>162045703
Most instances of actually good character animation are referenced from somewhere, that's why they look so good. If you think referencing or rotoscoping a scene is somehow easy you are seriously retarded.

>>162045968
Good thing this is a cartoon then. Things don't have to be 100% realistic or make anatomical sense. Breaking them for the sake of animation is fine, even western animators do this.

>>162045968
It looks fine to me, a real human would have their bones broken by that, so what?

>>162046095
If someone were to create something entirely on their own it would be more impressive than someone not.

>>162045348
I doubt this applies to martial arts moves, and a simple knife trick wouldn't suffice either. Anyway, referencing or paying homage to live action stuff isn't unheard of in anime. Directors and animators have their influnces and sometimes refer to other things for inspiration.

>>162046244
...not really? Nothing is made "on your own"

>>162046408
If I were to draw Naruto, it wouldn't be as impressive as creating Naruto. Correct?

>>162046244
ESL fag you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, just stop.

>>162047135
The person who invented the wheel is more skilled than the person who simply made another wheel, no?

>>162042780
I appreciate your memory skills and the fact that you recognize your own autism, but, unfortunately, the scenes you posted are at best reference material for what ended up in Boruto, and even that is a huge stretch.

The axel flip is an incredibly standard move in several kinds of kung-fu based "flipping" competition move strings. Considering that the characters are moving in entirely different ways and that the shots are entirely different compositions, you don't really have any weight to your argument that it's even a reference to that scene in Metal Gear 4.

The knife flip you've got, but I would like to point out Inuzuka Kick, and that complaining about the referencing and rehashing of fight choreography in anime is sheer stupidity.

That spinning back elbow counter is, again, a frequent move used in several different kinds of martial arts, especially Thai boxing (which is what is happening in the scene from the movie you linked). Again, given that the characters are moving in different ways and that the shot composition is different, at best it's a reference.

You've got an okay eye and a phenomenal memory, but you spend too much time watching things while not learning anything about them.

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>>162041729
>watches episode out of curiosity
>sees this not even five minutes in

>>162047183
No the person that engineers F1 wheels for Pirelli is clearly more skilled than the caveman that fucked a rock until it was round.

>>162042780
>these movies invented these martial arts move
Refer to your picture please.

>>162047409
But would that engineer ever be able to create that wheel without the assistance of that caveman?

>>162047392
Every anime has shots like this and it doesn't even look that bad.

>>162047392
That girl in the back looks like a Steven Universe character.

>>162047496
The caveman doesn't work at Pirelli ESL-kun.

Regardless, the most talented animators in the industry use reference material when making their best work, and if you think that somehow undermines what they do you clearly have no idea how animation in general works.

>>162041729
Yeah, because Naruto or any shounen has no right to have good animation nor has it ever had any good animation.

>>162047783
But what if they couldn't? What if someone could make it all without reference, thanks to years of studying Loomis?

Wouldn't they then be more talented and skilled?

>>162047998
In order to make a really good scene following a reference they have to be really good in the first place. Animation with references or by rotoscoping is actually a very hard thing to do but I don't expect you to understand that since you clearly have no clue about how the medium even works.

>>162048535
My point is that if someone were to do it without references they'd be more skilled than someone who didn't

>>162041745
At least Half the anime series that fail don't even get dubbed you idiot.
Oh no, I pirated a series that doesn't have a dub, it failing was MY fault.
Like seriously how fucking clueless is /a/?
I've had to have said it a hundred times by now
JAPAN IS IN AN ECONOMIC DEPRESSION!
It's why you see depressed salarymen, and even why birthrates are down and mobile/handheld gaming is up.
You want money for your apartment? Work 8 to 8, with possibly unpaid overtime.
Budget? Sorry have some instant ramen instead.
Home? You only need that for sleeping.
Anime isn't going to get better until Japan's economy stops being Pre WW2 Germany tier

>>162048987
>Japan is a depression

Source:my ass

Do you live in japan?No?Alright then how about actually trying to make a point.

>>162048578
It's nice to know your point is fucking retarded.

>>162042780
Well that's impressive.

>>162044326
>"We should put in a little easter egg homage for all the foreign fans :3"
>No one notices

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>>162049560
9/10 out of ten when someone says something is a homage it's also garbage

Soon /a/ will be defending this

>>162041745

Better fight scene than what Ochako, Tsuyu have gotten in BNHA so far.

>>162049267
Economic depression, anon. Japan is not the economic power house it's used to be for the past decade. China has overpowered Japan in it's industry and South Korea in it's tourism.

>OMG a Studio is actually being competent
>This industry is fucked.

You just want a excuse to hate.

>>162041729
>>162042683
>>162050054
>>162050122
How can Toei compete?

>>162041729
>60 seconds of good animation courtesy of that Chinese kid
It's shit

>>162050394
This was done by multiple different animators some of home are talented in house animators at SP.

Chengx Huang only did the part where Sakura throws the pillar.

This was a super shitty nurdu thread but it got one million percent better when a anon showed how how much the animation did the equivalent of a deviantart tracer and all the retarded nurduturds got triggered.

>>162050485
Go back to sakugabooru, faggot

>>162045945

fuck i watched both but seeing this again is embarrassing

>>162050530
>Gets BTFO
>"F-faggot!"

Stay mad.

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>>162041729
The whole fight

>10+ years
>some retards STILL hate naruto
I feel sorry for them. To not like something is one thing but to hate it? Sad.