Why do the Japanese suck at drama?

Little nip dicks

Okay, I'll bite. What do you think is a good dark drama series? Western or eastern media; whatever. You shitheels throw around "edgy" and "edgelord" way too easily.

>>162040852
The Wire?

>>162039756
Literally the three series I lump together with Madoka Magica to trigger edgelords. OP knows what's up.

>>162040852
I rarely hear "edgy" and "edgelord". It must have something to do with your taste if you hear the words a lot.

>>162040852
GoT
Walking Dead

>>162040852
Solaris

>>162040852
>You shitheels throw around "edgy" and "edgelord" way too easily.
Look at this enlightened anon. It's called bait, newfag.

>>162040899
>BBC 'should learn from HBO and commission edgy shows like The Wire'

Literally edgy shit.

>>162040852
Man in the High Castle

>anime has blood in it

EDGY EDGE xDDD EDGY SHIT AHAHAHA

It's like every few years you children find a new word to throw around like retarded monkeys.

>>162040852
>a good dark drama series
Twin Peaks

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>>162040961
>Walking Dead

>>162040950
What's even the point of this post? My god, you're retarded.

>>162040998
No shit, Sherlock.

>>162040961
>>162040995
>>162041059
>>162041115
Hold up, step on the breaks. He wasn't expecting to be proven wrong outright like this. Be nice to the edgelord.

>>162040961
>walking dead
DUDE
HUMANS ARE ALL ASSHOLES DESPITE BUILDING CIVILIZATION TOGETHER
LMAO

>>162040852
konosuba is about as far the edge goes to still be aceptable. shit like date is edgelord, same with dxd and elfen lied shit. difference with date a live is the fanservice and humor makes up for it a bit. but like anon said, GoT etc

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>>162039756
Missing Devilman and Getter Robo

Will the above post get replies?

>>162041183
>GoT
>Good drama
It's the Attack on Titan of /tv/, complete trash. It's also edgy as fuck, it's entire purpose is (was) to subvert cliches as edgy as possible.

>>162040961
>>162041183
>GoT
Writing went to complete shit the moment it overran the book

MUH SISTERS CUNT

>>162041125
Hipsters hear the words "pretentious" and "2deep4u" a lot. Yaoifags hear the words "fujoshit" and "faggot" a lot. Edgelords hear the words "edgy" and "fedora" a lot. You said you hear the word "edgy" a lot. It's not rocket science to presume that you're an edgelord based off of this.

>>162040852
>drama I like: good
>drama I don't like: shit/forced drama
That's literally all there is to it.

>>162040852
Utopia

>>162041336
Might as well not critique, discuss, or offer an opinion on anything then, right?
Fuck off.

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>>162040961
>the Walking Dead

>>162041210
"Starter Pack" kinda implies they're popular, the ones you mentioned are fairly obscure or at the very least not as interesting to millennials because of how old they are.

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>/a/'s simple answer , stop liking what i don't like

in short, get good tastes try expanding horizons tons of shows have come out and theres some gem's hidden in the past to be enjoyed, its true.

>>162040852
Neon Genesis Evangelion. The Sopranos. Mad Men. Breaking Bad.

>>162041433
>Let's agree to disagree!
Yeah, fuck discussion!

>>162041336
>drama that relies on characterization and storytelling (Utena, LotGH, Rakugo) = Good
>drama that relies on creating empathy by exacting violence on infantilized characters = Edgeshit

I know that's a lot for you to take in, but try not to hurt yourself.

>>162041406
>Might as well not critique, discuss, or offer an opinion on anything then, right?
Ah yes, bait pictures are critique now.
Fuck off.

Why do I never see Blood-C mentioned in these threads? That had the edgiest ending ever.

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>>162041505
What if it's both?

>>162041501
Discussion is overrated. It's often nothing but fruitless shitflinging and a complete waste of time. So yes, fuck discussion.

>>162041501
>Discussion
where do you think you are?

>>162041313
Except I literally didn't say that? Plus, those words have been thrown around on /a/ for over a decade. Jesus, how new can you get.

>>162041153
Prove who or what wrong? I was just asking the OP, if he thinks Re:Zero and Steins;Gate are "edgy", then what darkly toned series do they think is any good.

>>162041507
>bait pictures are critique now
No, but they are certainly an opinion. Try reading.

>>162041505
/thread

>>162041544
Then it's Evangelion.

>>162041563
So what do you think of those series that got mentioned?

>>162041313
Fuck off, you pretentious fujoshi edgelord.

According to your own logic, you're now all three of those things.

>>162041558
Why are you here?

>>162041505
Nice arbitrary opinion.

>>162041558
Then why are you on an anime discussion board? If you want to just mindlessly shitpost, /b/ is probably a better board for you.

>>162041563
Sensitive.

>>162041645
But I don't hear these things a lot? This is the first time I've been called any of them.

>>162041646
For the funposting.

>>162041652
Nice tautology.

>>162041652
That's pretty much the accepted standards by which good and bad drama have been measured for centuries dipshit.

>>162041694
But every one of your posts so far is gutter filth.

>>162041703
Thanks.
>>162041704
That doesn't make them non-arbitrary.

>>162041751
I don't think you know the meaning of the word arbitrary.

>>162041852
Neither do you from the looks of it. The decision to consider consensus to be a reliable indicator of what's good or bad is arbitrary in and of itself, even more so if the individual opinions that make up the consensus are, in turn, arbitrary.

>>162041751
There's no such thing as a non-arbitrary opinion.

>>162041691
What if I say them to you many more times, you pretentious fujoshi edgelord? Would that suddenly make you a pretentious fujoshi edgelord?

>>162041978
Drama is one of the oldest and most studied art forms in the history of society. Disregarding the fruits and critiques of that tradition seems much more arbitrary and downright ignorant.

>>162039756
Because formulaic by-the-numbers plot design which leaves no leeway for believable characters.

>>162042069
Not at all due to specific keywords in my assessment. I would have to tell you that I have heard these words a lot, and then you would only be able to presume. Learn to read, ape.

>>162042069
This is some serious autism.

>>162042144
How can you possibly call me an ape if I hadn't told you I've been called an ape prior?

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What? Re:Zero it's kinda ok, but no way Stains:Gate and Made in Abyss is edgy.
Blood C, Elfen Lied and Hellsing or Death Note would fit in edgelord starter pack.

>>162042470
Nobody on /a/ gives a shit about those shows though. Also, Re:Zero is worse than the other two combined.

>>162042470
Made In Abyss is edgier than all of those, except maybe Elfen Lied.

>>162041691
What a pretentious fujoshi edgelord. Look at this pretentious fujoshi edgelord and laugh.

>>162040961
Those could have been in the OP.

>>162043535
I'm not that guy, but you have some serious autism. That's not what he said at all.

>>162043588
But it is. If someone is called something enough times, according to him, they will be those things.
>autism
Where do you think you are right now?

>>162044238
He clearly didn't mean one dude repeating a string of random unconnected insults over and over in the same thread.

>>162041433
>get good tastes
>posts HxH 2011
Oh the ironing.

>>162044981
>unconnected insults
So just like the OP, then?

steins;gate isn't even edgy

i mean yeah the girl dies repeatedly but it's not extremely explicit meme gore with a loli

>>162045868
I'm pretty sure that OP gave the same insult to 3 shows. I'm sorry you don't understand the difference between the singular and plural forms of the word "insult," ESL-kun.

>>162041263
>MUH SISTERS CUNT
literally right out of an anime

what's the problem here again?

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>>162039756
Hibike's drama is also trash

I quite liked Steins;Gate. The route system was kind of garbage and some parts weren't that interesting, but overall it was quite nice.

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I liek sum animes that u don't liek, pls don hurt mee

>>162039756
It's not that the japs particularly suck at it, it's that the terrible shows are the ones that become popular.

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>>162046267
How can that possibly be the case when the best Japanese show is also one of the most popular?

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>>162046223
It's time to die, Pizza Hut Butt

>>162039756
Written by people who are out of touch with reality so it has a lot of nonsensical logic in its characters and their behavior.

>>162046309
A show that aired over 20 years ago

>Le EDGY meme
Fuck off. None of those shows are really "EDGY", learn how to use buzzwords next time.

>>162046894
>being this triggered
I'm sorry that the manga you've been speed reading was revealed to be edgelord dogshit now that it has a commercial made for it.

Drama is what you call a story without an obvious comedic or tragic bent. The events of the story (violence, death, intrigue) are emotionally impactful enough to not need a deeper meaning.
Anime is a bad fit for drama, since it trades gritty realism for expressiveness.

Take Utena. It's full of dramatic set pieces, but they're all metaphorical. Sometimes the drama is real, sometimes it's fake, and sometimes it never happened at all. If it were a linear story about a series of duels over women it would suck.

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>this whole dumpster fire of a thread
Just kill it already.

Japanese people literally don't know how to act
All of their theater traditions make for overblown dreck, it's why their film industry is a joke

>>162047692
Edgy stuff there, anon.
Also, don't you ever fucking post anything related to Aria in this kind of thread again.

>>162047776
>their film industry is a joke
Samurai films are kino. I guess that was the better part of a century ago though.

>>162047776
It's not like America is known for it's actors either. Jennifer Lawrence is still somehow not out of a job yet.

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>>162047801
I find that sentiment extremely difficult to take seriously from a common shitposter. And your perspective is flawed, if there's anything the degenerate cunts who falseflag and pretend to be retarded for their epic trolling purposes like our eternally cocksucking OP really needs to purify their disgusting, pitiful souls it's Aria. It might be too good for them but then again most things clearly are.

>>162047914
>not like America is known for it's actors either
Are you serious? American actors are literally some of the most famous people in the history of the world, for better or worse.

>>162040852
tokyo ghoul

>>162048346
>known for their acting skills
>famous
These are not the same things. Stop trying to pretend you know anything about film traditions or prestige because you reek of shitposter scum.

>>162048422
>thinks he knows about "film traditions"
>disregards all American actors
Wow, you're pathetic. Tell me about how Humphrey Bogart and Robert De Niro aren't good actors.

>>162048613
There are some good actors, but the majority aren't. It's just like Japan

>>162047914
This makes me think you have never seen Japanese "actors". There's a whole mountain between the quality of Japanese actors and bad American actors.

>>162048660
>backpedaling

>>162039756
Please dont put Steins;Gate together with Rezero.

>>162039756
I haven't watched made in the abyss, how is it edgy it looks like moe breath of the wild

>>162048884
It literally has loli guro.

>>162047776
>who was Akira Kurosawa
opinion discarded

>>162048961
Can you give some context please?

>>162049168
Chanbara films were a product of Japan over 50 years ago. One good film movement does not an industry make. Just like the fact that French cinema is shit despite the Nouvelle vague producing several masterpieces.

>>162039756
Re:Zero was a great ending away from a masterpiece. Steins;Gate is a masterpiece. So far Made in Abyss has done barely anything however yeah the manga is pretty edgy. Edgy starter pack begins with Kill la Kill by the way.

>>162040899
The wire was absolute fucking trash

>>162049264
Not him, the abyss is a one-way journey into hell and we just had a botched/interrupted survivalist amputation to mitigate spreading of poison at the same time as bleeding out of every orifice due to the curse that prevents you from going back up.

>>162039756
you are just mad because they recieve the attention they deserved unlike your favorite anime

>>162041114
this

>>162040852
Game of Thrones

>>162049410
My favorite anime are Urusei Yatsura and Utena though, and they're pretty popular.

>>162039756
But those are all good series

>>162049373
>R:Z and S;G are masterpieces
Edgelord detected.

>>162040852
Fargo

Made in Abyss isn't edgy and the other two suffer from bad writing so they seem edgy by accident.

>>162039756
Why does OP sucks dicks?

>>162049866
They are all laughably bad and the lowest tier of shit writing in the medium.

>>162049822
If those are edgy so Is Utena with literal rape scenes.

>there are people who unironically genuinely think that Japanese media holds a candle to Western TV and film

Jesus Christ how delusional can one be. All that trash anime has ruined your mind and ability to discern art from garbage. I mean I enjoy anime and manga too but I've never thought of it as anything more than lesser of Western media.

>>162039756
>any of those
>edgy
>shitty resolution
Great thread OP, it's almost as if you weren't a faggot.

>>162039756
How is S;G edgy

>>162050237
Name five good Western TV series from the past few years.

>>162039756
>no Angel Beats
>no Fate/Zero
Shit bait image.

>>162050253
>>162050074
Thanks for the (You).
I'm on a killer dopamine high right now.
>>162050176
There are no rape scenes in Utena. Or loli gore. Implication and depiction are very different. One is subtle, the other is garrish and in poor taste.

>>162039756
S;G isn't edgy, the others are. If you want edgy, add firepunch or even oyasumi punpun. Actually there's really no shortage of that shit. Not sure in terms of animu though.

>>162050359

True Detective
Black Mirror
The Young Pope
The Americans
Fargo


Now name me 5 anime that come remotely close to these series in terms of depth, writing and artistic achievement in the past few years.

>>162050359
Narcos
Better Call Saul
Black Sails
Fargo
Dark Matter

>>162050570
>now name 5 anime that I'll inevitably dismiss as garbage
FTFY

>>162050570
Dogshit taste/10.
>>>/trash/
This is your home now. Don't come back.

>>162050590
>>162050570
Trash. Twin Peaks is the only good TV drama of the last 25+ years. Even Armond White agrees.

>>162050359
Person of Interest
That's it.

>>162050237
Western films on the whole haven't been better than anime since the 70s. And western TV dramas are incredibly uncreative narratively and aespecially aesthetically, focusing way too much on finding a dramatic lowest common denominator that gets the most people interested in continuing on and watching the next episode - but never does anything all that innovative or surprising. Even the best western TV shows also tend to have uncreative premises and weaker world building than the best anime.

It's even more jarring if you try to compare specific genres like western sci fi to anime sci fi. There are plenty of things that Japan does way better than us.

>>162050570
Rakugo
Flip Flappers
Kaguya-hime
Natsume Yuujinchou
3gatsu

>>162050752
Mad Men and Twin Peaks are easily the greatest achievements in serial film storytelling ever. Nothing in anime comes close.

>>162050590
Dark Matter was worse than Stein's Gate and Madoka Magica, at the very least. Dark Matter has the depth of a fat tumblr girl's fanfiction, and all the annoying tropes you would expect to come along with that.

>>162050622

Holy shit anon if you don't think even one of those shows is far better than anything nips have put out in the last 20 years then that's some next level mental retardation. You should probably kill yourself since likely you didn't have much going for you in your life except perhaps a semblance of taste in consumer media but judging from this post you might not even have that.

>>162046334
>expects fictional stories to be connected with nonfictional @ 1:1 ratio

>>162050836
No one said that. Your reducio ad absurdum is painfully forced and irrelevant.

Made in Abyss isn't edgy because the dark stuff is natural and a part of the world established. Steins;Gate is edgy because it comes out of nowhere and repeatedly kills a child for padding the series.

>>162050771
>he has to list movies and meme shows because he can't find five (5) anime that are even half decent

Look at that list and tell me which one is supposed to impress anyone whose main consumption of media doesn't stem from shounenshit, capeshit or video games.

>>162050832
Let me guess, you stream dubbed anime.

>>162050412
>the other is garrish and in poor taste
I see your problem now, you're a lightweight who can't handle strong scenes so you call them garbage. Got it.

>>162050771
That's a pretty good list.
>>162050819
This.

>>162050819
Evangelion.

>>162050819
Mad Men is really overrated honestly, and I say that as someone who has watched through the whole thing twice. It is about as good as a 7/10 anime. It does'nt take enough narrative risks - everything is good and well crafted, nothing in it should leave anyone confused or feelings jarred by the experience, and that's part of why it is so boring. Twin Peaks is great - but it is mostly the bizarre atmosphere and strange sort of campyness that makes it so great. It is probably the equivalent to a 9/10 anime and can't touch the best of Oshii's works( GITS, Jin-Roh, 2nd Patlabor Movie, Angel's Egg), to give one example

>>162050941
>>162050605
Well, I should've known.

>>162050984
If we're talking about movies, then live action shits directly down anime's throat. You're a fucking idiot.

>>162050752
>focusing way too much on finding a dramatic lowest common denominator that gets the most people interested in continuing on and watching the next episode - but never does anything all that innovative or surprising

But you perfectly described modern anime anon.

>>162050824
The interest of dark matter is literally how cheesy and corny it is, and it's something we (who watched it) care about because there hasn't been and probably will never be a good sci-fi anymore, but this is a good approximation of the tropes of yore.
I mean, they literally have space japan. How can you NOT watch just for that?

>>162050984
The Return Part 8 > Fire Walk With Me > any Oshii work aside from maybe Angel's Egg

>>162050984
Also, Akira Kurosawa films > 90% of western films. Seriously, Seven Samurai and Kagemusha are way better than anything western save maybe something by Ingmar Bergman, or another arthouse director of that caliber.

>>162050984
Oshii is a wannabe Tarkovsky. Any random von Trier or Tarantino film is more insightful than GitS.

>>162051092
Kurosawa has nothing on Ingmar Bergman and Jean-luc Goddard. His cinematography is beautiful, but still lacks the full awareness of the capacity for movement in cinematography.

>>162051041
Except it really does'nt - unless we are looking at pre 80s western films, then the gap closes. I can't even think of a contemporary western director who has done anything more than just make a good movie outside of Lars Von Trier - and even he has his best works fairly far behind him at this point.

>>162051044
Yeah, not going to try to defend the last 5 years of anime.

>>162051057

I can't stand the SJW tabula rasa theme it has going for it ( Oh, bad people are just victims of their circumstance) which it isn't delivered in an interesting way at all on top of that. It has bad acting as well. First season was alright for some semi-competent sci fi world building, but why wouldn't you just go watch an above average 80s or 90s Sci Fi anime to get something like that but 10x better?

>>162051073
Well I don't really have bad things to say about any of Lynch's major works, but I disagree that those are better than GITS - the cinematography does'nt compare to the quality of GITS's story boarding, choreography or music choices imo.

>>162051003

No but I'm serious anon. Which one of those is supposed to impress? I mean let's put aside Kaguya which is actually a film and even though it might pull some weight when compared to Western TV it wouldn't make anyone's top 100 for film.

Rakugo had promise but it's no longer about the central themes it built it's best chapters around in the beginning of the series. I haven't seen the anime beyond a few episodes but the manga loses it's magic pretty early and devolves into a soap opera that's just too inconsistent with it's themes. It never reached the kind of succinct narrative structure something like TD1 has achieved.

Flip flappers? Really anon?

Natsume is too shallow and pedestrian to be anything meaningful, why the fuck would you even put this on your list. If you think there's any depth to this shit you genuinely need to read more books or something. I bet you like Gintama too don't you?

Haven't even seen 3gatsu but judging from your taste it's gotta be trash.

Nice job making me reply seriously. You still haven't listed 5 anime tho, just 1.5 at best.

>>162051126
Von Trier is on Oshii's level sure - Tarantino though ? 80s and 90s Anime has way better over the top schlock than that by the bucketload.

>>162051364
>but why wouldn't you just go watch an above average 80s or 90s Sci Fi anime to get something like that but 10x better?
Not live action.
Actually not better at all.

>>162051484

If you want cheesy and corny sci fi that actually has a good plot and interesting themes you can easily just go watch SDF Macross. I mean if having something be live action in itself is a bonus then obviously an anime can't satisfy that - but if there is anything that anime has definitively shown itself capable of doing better than western film it is sci fi.

>>162039756
>mfw all those shows are overrated on /a/

Its time to get taste

>>162051659
Quite the opposite. The only good anime sci-fis are yamato and logh. There are tons of options when it comes to western shows, it's just that the modern shit is garbage. But then again, the same also happens to apply to anime.

>>162039756
I've only watched one episode of Abyss and it looked kind of cute. Is it dark as a whole or was it just an episode?

>>162040852
The Wire
The Sopranos

>>162040852
Two and a half man

>>162052586
The entire premise is bleak. The main character embarks on what she realizes is a suicide mission. I don't know why people are surprised by the "edginess". She is a complete scrub that is tackling something even trained elites of their world can't handle. Why wouldn't she get wrecked? Honestly, her surviving at all is a sign of great plot armor.

>The only good anime sci-fis are yamato and logh.

Yeah, I disagree entirely. Akira, GITS, Patlabor, the early parts of the Gundam franchise, Macross, Gunbuster, and even lesser know mecha shows like Votoms shit all over most western sci-fi.

What's a sci-fi show from the early 80s that is better than SDF Macross? ( If you say Star Trek then I disagree. I'm wondering if there is something I may have missed)

Also, there is at least some semi contemporary sci fi that was great on the anime side since Japan gave us Psycho Pass, with Black Mirror being the only recent western show that comes close quality wise - but isn't even close to the same kind of show since it lacks a ongoing narrative. The new Battlestar Galactica is not quite contemporary and not quite old, and it was good - but GITS: Stand Alone Complex was it's contemporary and was miles ahead of it on all fronts.

>>162052905
>mecha
>good
>ever
>including movies
>gits
>good sci-fi
It was good anime, not good sci-fi. In fact, it was infuriatingly bad sci-fi. psychopass was pretty good sci-fi on the other hand.
All in all, C-. Apply yourself.

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What are some fun edgy shows?

>>162052995
I'm sorry that you have bad taste.

>>162040852
>>162052640
What this guy said.

>>162052640
>The Wire

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDcQbk78CSw

>He's an addict sir
>What's he addicted to?
>Himself!

>One of the greatest pieces of art in the last couple of decades-President Obama

HAHAHAHA

Is this show actually good? It looks cheesy as fuck.

>>162039756
?

I don't get it OP, all three of those shows are great with Re: Zero and Steins;Gate being among the best anime out there.

>>162043535
Is this the future of /a/?

>>162053931
Response

>>162039756
Fuck off

>Show clearly tells you of the consequences of venturing into the Abyss
>Characters constantly warn and stress to our protagonists the dangers of the abyss and how they're likely not ready and will die if they don't improve
>They fuck up and a character suffers the consequences we've been warned about for 10 episodes
>OH MY GOD SO EDGY EDGY EDGY
Christ, I hate falseflaggers. Give me the patience and mercy to forgive them.

>>162054282
>If I act like that person is baiting it makes my nonexistant nonsensical opinions seem credible

If this thread's proven anything, it's that most people don't know what edgy means. It's fine to have your own opinions; you can say something is shitty if you don't like it, even if it's popular. However, none of the anime series in the OP's image are "edgy". To say that they are is just misusing the term.

>>162039756
>S;G
>edgelord
You need a better bait. Madoka would be a better choice here, faggot.

>>162040961
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, nigger.

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>>162041505
Steins;Gate does not do the latter at all. My most emotional moments weren't at the expense of Mayuri. They were at Okabe's charade of a persona that he puts on as a coping mechanism crumbling as he deals with a situation he is not intellectually or emotionally capable of handling. And calling someone dying by a gunshot "violence" as opposed to "storytelling" is a bullshit, indefensible distinction

>>162056586
I don't think anon thought about Steins;Gate when he posted that. At least I hope so. For his sake.

Re: Trash obviously falls into that category.

>>162040852
OP is just a baiting faggot.

>>162050819
>storytelling
>Twin Peaks
what a joke. Season 1, sure. The Leland stuff of Season too, kinda. The rest is shit for storytelling. Lynch has great cinematography and tone, but the storytelling was shit in The Return, and the pacing wasn't great either

>>162056729
Twin Peaks in general was a piece of shit. Some people only like it because it was kinda different as a series in format.

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>>162041439
>Neon Genesis Evangelion.

>>162056757
Meh, I liked season one a lot. I do think that as a whole, the series doesn't deserve the praise. People will take any shit that Lynch gives them and tout it as genius. His works are "dream like" and "subversive". I guess subversion doesn't have to really have any purpose to be worthwhile

>>162039756

>A rare anime series that is not full of tropes and cliches...I must mock it because of its heavy drama

>>162040852
>defending Made in Abyss

Is this reverse trolling?

>>162056821
To be honest, most of his works are pretty solid (Mulholland Drive especially), though I have to admit some of his movies are total cancer (Eraserhead and Lost Highway).

>>162056891
To the discredit of my film knowledge, I haven't delved too far into his stuff. I have a passing curiosity after seeing TP, but as that was so arduous to watch, with the plotlines that just from and extended scenes of just driving, I don't know if I have the patience. Some of the stuff he does is cinematographically is cool and evocative, but most doesn't really impact me. Probably just not for me. But anyone who holds TP The Return as a bastion of narrative excellence has their head up their ass

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>>162040852
It's not a series but I think Pan's Labyrinth did what MiA tried to do but better.

>>162056889
Why do so many of you people have trouble reading? Read my post again: I wasn't defending anything. If anything, I was simply implying that none of the shows listed are edgy. That doesn't mean they are good or bad or anywhere in between.

>true detective
>black mirror
>the americans
>fargo

The most recent seasons for each of those shows have been super shitty. What a fucking joke of a list. You can't even throw in a series like Top of the Lake because you probably dont watch television or anime so you don't know about series like those. You only know the most entry level "babbys first cable tv series" shit. Pathetic. Only a pleb would compare across mediums anyway, god you pseudo hipsters trying to fake having 'taste' always out yourselves in the most obvious ways.

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>>162041439
>mad men
>breaking bad.
>EVA

>>162039756
Remove steins and abyss and add madoka and that last nanoha abortion

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>>162054493
Listen anon I can take gore and violence, even when inflicted upon cute lolis, anytime.

But I draw the line at pick related.

>>162057136
I literally started laughing when he mentioned NGE.

>>162057228
Wow thanks for sharing so cool that I know this now. Literally blew my mind

>>162057341
Whatever you said, buddy.

>>162057072
And then you post literally 0 examples from the anime side which just show that their medium is 10x shittier than those TV show. Pathetic weebs can't into criticism.

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>>162040961
>GoT
>Walking Dead

that's some low quality bait, senpai

>>162041249
Attack on Titan is infinitely better than GoT and an objectively great show/manga.

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>>162050467
you saying something like punpun suck at drama? it's not just some ''edge'' it's something that reflects reality. The sorrowness, happiness, and the desperation.
Even though it's mostly dark at times because main protag is a weakly, coward person who've been put in cruel situations, doesn't mean it's bad. It's by far melodrama.

Also firepunch is something else entirely

>>162039756
Those 2 didn't focus on drama at all. There are shows that better represent Japanese drama than what you posted. Don't know anything about the right one tough.

>>162060202
You don't know what drama is, do you?

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>>162057201

It had to be done! it was vital for survival!

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>>162040961
>Walking Dead

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>>162059280
WE