Why do people think Madoka Magica was a genre deconstruction?

It was a meme that got out of hand.

What's an example of a deconstruction? I'm still confused on what people mean by that.

>>161997498
Madoka

Is there even a single series out there that can be called a proper deconstruction?

>>161996763
Don't talk to me or my wife ever again.

>>161995249
the only real Maho shojo trope that was deconstructed was the mascot
regularly in maho shojo mascots are always lawful good sidekicks

>>161997498
I feel like it's not possible to name examples of deconstruction without stepping on at least somebody's toes, but some regular suspects are:

>Watchmen for super hero movies
>NGE for mecha
>Cabin in the Woods for horror
>Madoka for magical girl

It usually implies the mechanisms of what defines the genre are intentionally overexposed to show their flaws or impossibility. Most examples of something being mislabeled as deconstruction results form the line of thinking that applying a grimdark theme to an existing genre makes up deconstruction. Thus, Madoka is a bit debatable, although I'd argue it qualifies.

>>161995249
When did Gen or Shinbo ever say it was?

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Best example was in episode ten when Homura is falling into the hole screaming at Madoka to not make the wish. As she falls she sees Madoka light up in brilliant pink light and Homura screams the big no. What was supposed to be the start of the heroine saving the day, a magical girl transformation, became her doom. That's a good indicator that the series is a deconstruction. There's plenty more examples from earlier in the series but the transformation of Madoka in episode 10 is the best example.

subversion =/ deconstruction
not many people seem to understand this

>>161999192
>=/

>>161998624
So if there was a series where a bunch of middle aged dudes became magical girls and did things their own way and simply utilized their new powers because it works, would that be a deconstruction?

>>161998624
Cabin in the woods was not a deconstruction, it was satire.

>>161999703
You just put angry eyebrows on it.

>>161999956
No, that would be AOTY.

>>161999703
nobody's perfect all of the time

>>162000197
Why not both?

>>161999956
The key element of deconstructions is they take fictional concepts to a logical conclusion outside of the normal genre context (usually real life scenarios).

Madoka qualifies in the sense that magical girl fiction usually has characters that can't die, overcome any foe, get their powers for basically no reason, etc. Madoka places the core elements (girls with super powers) into a setting where real life considerations such as death actually factor into the characters' decisions. For example, Mami's explanation of how she was coerced into becoming a magical girl is probably the defining world-building moment where you begin to learn how deep the rabbit hole goes.

>>162000880
Deconstruction = brings the key elements to their logical conclusion or shows hidden consequences of those elements

Subversion = Takes the key elements of a genre and and flips them over or use them against the genre

Madoka is a subversion, not a deconstruction, as >>161999192 said

>>161998624
Yeah, you're a complete fucking idiot, and you don't know what deconstruction means. Also, the Watchmen comic would fit, but the movie removes almost everything that made it interesting. None of your other examples are deconstructions at all.

>>161998624
>NGE for mecha
Please, tell me how you think NGE is a deconstruction. Oh wait, you've never seen a mecha anime that wasn't made by Gainax.

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People still paid attention to TVTropes when it came out.

>>162000880
Sailor Moon had a lot of dying.

>>162001217
Seems to me like you could argue for both.

>>161999192
>>162001217
Seems to me like the same thing described in different ways

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The only thing that was deconstructed was mamis neck

>>162000880
>characters that can't die,
Sailor Moon, Mai-hime
>overcome any foe
They overcome every foe in Madoka, did you even watch it?
>get their powers for basically no reason
Sailor Moon and Cardcaptor Sakura both have very extensive backstories explaining why the characters get their powers, among others.

Madoka deconstructs fucking nothing. It's just a dark spin on the genre. Maybe watch a few shows from the genre before you start running your shitstain mouth.

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>>162001516
That's sort of the issue with Madoka, anon.

Its the NGE of mahou shoujo in the sense that it was made for people who weren't actually fans of the genre it was a part of. People who were only familiar with those genres of a surface level took them to be massively revolutionary, a deconstruction of their genre, when fans of said genre had already seen those things. Notice this stuff happens with, generally speaking, genres with long running series. Nobody but fans are going to watch a 200 episode anime about magical girls or mechs. They just get the distilled memes or watch a few episodes on and off, dubbed, on toonami with no real desire to follow.

>>162001428
This is the real answer.

>>162001856
I don't think there's another magical girl show where the main character isn't a magical girl for most of the show, and the plot is about making a decision to become a magical girl. That's Madoka's big claim to originality.

>>162001524
>>162001656
they really aren't

>>162002487
That doesn't make it a deconstruction. It does make it a commentary on the faustian elements of the genre, which Uta Kata had already done to an extent. Sure, it's original, and I quite enjoyed Madoka. That's really all there is to it though. People going on about deconstruction are just pseuds.

>>161999192
yes, its annoying

>>161995249
normies think darker than usual is the same thing as a deconstruction

>>162002759
>normies

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>>162001726
No head puns allowed!

>>161996763
You were a meme with that post.

>>162000026
Well Cabin in the Woods played things pretty straight though. So it's a deconstruction of horror movies while at the same time being a horror movie. Satire usually involves some level of sarcasm and ridicule, but instead Cabin embraced itself.

>>162002487
The main character not being a magical girl for most of the series is not commentary on what makes magical girls a genre.
In CCS, Sakura doesn't have a magical transformation, she just changes clothes.
Neither are deconstructions, both just do something different.

Reminder that TVTropes' definition of 'Deconstruction' is completely wrong. A deconstruction is a technique of analysis, not a genre. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deconstruction

>>162006580
Is there anything TV Tropes does right?