If Togashi managed to come up with the best power system for

It has been copied a lot but they miss the point which is the charm and simplicity of the abilities. Togashi's creativity in abilities is up there with people like Araki, but Togashi's abilities stand out not only because of his creativity and imagination but because of hiatuses he has plenty of time to meticulously plan out every detail of the 10 chapters he does per year so the abilities get tons of creative and well thought out uses.

Please explain the power system senpai

>>161976348
Power systems are outdated. The new age of manga doesn't need to utilize them or be held back by them anymore and I for one agree

>>161976483
>but because of hiatuses he has plenty of time to meticulously plan out every detail of the 10 chapters he does per year so the abilities get tons of creative and well thought out uses.
FUCKING THIS

>>161977870
that Netero vs. Meruem fight was so funny

>>161976348
>Hey here is a detailed explanation over multiple episodes on nen.
>Kurpika is going to introduce powers in the fight and ignore these set rules.
it's shit

>>161977685
Basically all living beings in the setting have magic aura energy called Nen.
Most people normally let this aura escape and can't do shit with it, but Nen users are creatures who can choose to direct the release in which this energy is released.
In order to learn Nen, you can meditate for several months, or you can force your Nen pores open by being attacked by someone else's Nen. This later option is likely to kill you after a few days if you don't get the handle of Nen fast because all your Nen will suddenly begin to leave your body without control, however.

There are different things you can do with Nen. These things can be grouped in 6 groups, but everyone is really good at only one use for Nen, mediocre at two others, bad at two others and really shitty at the opposite type of Nen. You can technically create Nen abilities in your opposite category, but they'll take you twice as long to develop and cost twice as much Nen.

The types of Nen skill are:
Enhancement: focusing your Nen in your body parts or inert objects and improve the natural abilities and endurance of these. Examples of things you can do with Enhancement: Superstrength, Superspeed, Supersenses, Indestructible Weapons and Clothes.
Transmutation: are able to turn their Nen into other types of energy or matter and can give special properties to their nen. Examples: make Nen sticky and stretchy at will to get Spider-Man's web shooters, turn Nen into electricity, turn Nen into fire, etc.
Conjuration: able to turn Nen into solid, permanent objects and creatures. It is best to use this ability in combination with Special Conditions in order to add special abilities to the object. Examples: create weapons/armor, create bombs, create small alternate dimensions, etc.
Specialization: weird abilities that don't fit in the other types. Rarest type of Nen user, but is considered related to Conjuration and Manipulation. Examples: memory theft, ability copying, invisibility, etc.

(cont)

>>161979505
Thanks man really informative

>>161979505
Manipulation: Can put their Nen inside inert objects and living creatures and use it to control the thing's shape, movement, feelings and/or thoughts. Examples: all flavors of mind control, projectile/weapon control, elemental control, shapeshifting, etc.
Emission: Can put a lot of their Nen outside their bodies and maintain control of it at distances that other Nen users can't. Examples: Clone and construct creation, all kinds of projectiles, distant detection, Stand creation

So for example, an arrow-wielding character could:
Increase his strength and the durability of his arrow and bow to shoot a Siege Engine-tier arrow.
Transmutate his aura into poison and apply it to the arrow.
Conjure a bow and arrow with magical powers.
Manipulate the trajectory of the arrow.
Just Emit a Nen arrow from his bare hands.

You can technically develop any number of abilities but developing them requires time, and being able to use your abilities fast and efficiently is probably easier if you use an ability often. Kinda like playing a musical piece in an instrument without reading.

Special conditions can be added to strengthen or add twists to abilities.So for example, the arrow-wielding character up there could add a condition like "I'll die if I miss my mark" in order to make his arrow bypass Nen barriers or "I'll also get a wound in the same part of the body I hit" in order to make his shots track heat. This requires further time training the ability, however.

Nen is a bit like psychic powers, so what things like inert or living, or anything you put in the conditions, mean depends on your personal definitions and philosophies.

Some abilities are technically possible by multiple Nen-types, but are used exclusively by some Nen-types because of combos. For example, you can Conjure a hard clone, but Conjueres will have a harder time controlling a clone because they are far away from Manipulation, while Emitters are next to Manipulation.

I'm not a JoJofag, but aren't stands also really well thought-out?

>>161979505
>>161980224
I really don't understand what type of Nen gives shape to aura. For example, Goreinu's monkeys and Netero's guanyin are emitted, despite their ridiculous amount of detail. Common sense would make me think that they either manipulated their aura to make it look like that, or that they conjure these things. Of course, conjuring could only be confirmed if random by-standers could see their abilities, but these abilities were only used in the presence of other Nen users.

Also, I'm not so sure that manipulation can control elements. We've seen that it can control thoughts, feelings, behaviors, and even the physical dimensions of something just from Illumi. If Manipulation could really control elements, I think there would be a lot of overlap between Transmuters, Manipulators, and Conjurers. I've always had it in my headcannon that it would be fucking cool if Manipulators could manipulate more abstract concepts like space and time, but that'd make them way too fucking OP.

>>161980749
Stands are more creative, but not as well thought out as Nen.
With a stand, it's basically just any superpower Araki can think of. There are rules to stands, but a lot of them just break the rules. They do all have limits, but each individual stand tends to just operate by its own rules.
With nen, each ability fits into the system, with even the most powerful characters having to operate by the same rules as the weakest characters.

>>161980749
>aren't stands also really well thought-out
Individual stands are, sure, but the "system" basically doesn't exist. Outside of the rule that arrows/Jesus alter them, stand powers are just whatever the author comes up with. To be fair, in practice nen is kind of like that, too (especially with specialists), but there's still a system of mechanics behind it.

I like how you can reproduce other series ability like how you can make JoJo's stand Emitter/Manipulation type ability.

>>161981262
I mean, it can theoretically do basically anything, so of course.

It's obvious that the hiatus is just to buy him more time so he won't disappoint with the story. I feel like he writes himself into a corner with the decisions he makes at times

>>161978664
Genuinely retarded

>>161980749
> For example, Goreinu's monkeys and Netero's guanyin are emitted, despite their ridiculous amount of detail.
Well, it is probably a bit of manipulation without fully deviating enough into manipulation to really affect the Nen cost because it is still just aura. Like 95% Emission and 5% Manipulation.

> Also, I'm not so sure that manipulation can control elements.
We've seen Morel controlling smoke and Pouf controlling his body at a cellular level, which seems to be a much more advanced technique of Gido controlling Tops and Kalluto controlling pieces of paper. I doubt it would be easy to control Fire, but there is no reason why a manipulator wouldn't be able to control Earth or Water, based on Morel.

>I think there would be a lot of overlap between Transmuters, Manipulators, and Conjurers.
A manipulator can only manipulate something that already exists. So if he has trained water manipulation, he'd need to carry his own water. He could easily create tentacles with the water or turn it into ice.
A transmuter could turn his aura into a water-like substance, but he wouldn't be able to control it at all beyond natural water physics because he is at the opposite side of Manipulation.
A conjurer can conjure water with the magical property of sealing the drinker's nen abilities temporarily, but he probably wouldn't be able to make as much as a transmuter and it would require a second Manipulation hatsu in order to control the water.

What are you talking about?
Oda is such a fan of the lazy bum Togashi he literally added nen magic to his manga for kids, because logia users were just too powerful.

>>161981422
What's with this fanfiction that hiatuses are the key to Togashi's creativity? Hiatuses didn't make Berserk or Vagabond substantially better writer and there are plenty of monthly manga that have stagnated. Only real valid claim is that he has more time to think things through but that's what any half decent writer would do

>>161977685
Aura.

>>161981566
*series

I thought the 6-category system was okay until the series introduced nen that might as well have been fucking stands (APR, Doctor Blythe, the weord cheetah pocket dimension, etc)

They're creative and all, but it overshadows all the mundane kung-fu based stuff

>>161981874
Oh, okay.
I thought stands were creative, but then you said they weren't without raising any points or giving any examples that might support your argument, so I guess they actually aren't creative.

>>161981566
Time to plan fights, plots, techniques, and introduce concepts. As much flake as Togashi gets, in that he goes on Hiatus to play DQ, you can't deny that the man is well-read. It also helps that HxH changes focus each new arc.

The Hunter's Exam was this sort of survival game, Zoldyck Family arc was training, Heaven's Arena was a tournament arc, York Shin was a thriller, Greed Island was based on video game/ board game mechanics, Chimera Ant arc was a war drama, Chairman Election arc was this mix of political drama and a war of attrition, and as of now, the DC arc is a war of attrition mixed with a detective "whodunit" vibe.

Each arc changes how the plot progresses, and I really think hiatuses let Togashi really learn about the current style he's emulating without it becoming to overbearing that HxH just becomes this clusterfuck of stuff he thinks is cool, which happens a lot in other shounen.

>>161981983
>They are a tiny subset of Nen. There is no creativity, just another scumbag stealing from Togashi.
HxH started in 1998 and JoJo part 3 started in 1989, so you're completely full of shit.
But let's just pretend that Araki is a time traveler and stole Togashi's ideas before he even came up with them.
In what way are stands just a ripoff of Nen?

>>161982097
I'm a hxhfag and I think he's baiting. Just ignore him

>>161982211
But you're not explaining your reasoning.
What can Nen do that stands can't?
What can stands do that's apparently just a fraction of what Nen can do?

>>161982364
Like what?
Give an example.

>>161976348
you say that, but HxH discussion threads are generally filled with people complaining about the bullshit power system

>>161982400
I wouldn't be surprised if that was a stand abiility in the near future.
In fact, there's a stand in part 8 that exists inside of a cell phone and can literally surf the internet, so it wouldn't be a stretch if it punched someone through the internet.

>>161982400
There's literally no reason a stand couldn't do that.

>>161976348
What makes Nen so good is not only how balanced and varied the system is, but the way Togashi introduces the mechanics and has them play a big part in storylines rather than just be a minor backdrop for every fight.


It also serves as a detailed explanation for certain shonen clichés like "characters 'sensing' malice from a villain" or "character is so angry they become powerful enough to kill villain" and so on.


The best thing about Nen is there's enough information to make for a great power system but enough mystery surrounding it to make you wonder what more there might be.


Every character so far has presumably used 'Shingen-Ryu' style Nen but there is most likely another teaching involving Aura that we might see in the future.

>>161976348
It's too specific. Going anywhere near it is embarrasingly obvious.

>>161976348
Having good powers doesn't matter when the fights themselves are shit.

>>161985175
what are shonens with better fights for you?

>>161985321
All shounen battles are pretty much the same shit.

>>161976348
Nah, HxH is getting closer and closer to becoming another shit series. After all those asspulls and shits Togashit did. hxH became worse.

>>161985175
HxH's fights are great.

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>>161979505
>>161980224
And where does this come in?

>>161980749
Stands are cool but I could never think of them as "well thought out".

Literally every stand rule has been broken at least once. The stand stats are all bullshit. The stand could be anything, it could have multiple powers, the power system just doesn't obey anything and it just suits what Araki is thinking at the time. Regular stand properties like being able to phase through people, being able to shrink are never used beyond part 3. Bites the Dust and Requiem powers were both only used in their respective parts and were not foreshadowed which makes me think Araki just made them up on the spot. He clearly didn't plan a concise power system from the very beginning.

>>161986176
Seakira could shrunk SHA but yeah, it was basically dropped other than that.

>>161976348
Why would anyone want to copy this? What benefit would that have?

>>161986176
I think every JoJo fan agrees with this but, despite this, Stands manage to be consistently fun and creative. I think its because of the nature of Jojo itself; Stands would probably be more annoying in something like Naruto

>>161985920
90% of the fights are one-sided asskickings

>>161981932
I don't think he uses the hiatuses to plan. Or better, he may plan something, but that's not the reason for the hiatuses.
Just look at the timing and the content in between, it's just too random. For this last one. the story did go forward one inch in comparison to last year. I don't believe anyone would need a year of time to come up with "Kurapika is gonna teach Nen to the guards, princes are starting to learn Nen", especially since it's not the start of a new arc, so there's just a finite set of ways the story could go.

His issue is just that he's fucking weak. He keeps wanting to draw HxH alone without assistants, and he can't do it, he's just a weak dipshit. For 20 years he has had proof again and again that he can't do it alone, because of muscle pains, probably even laziness sometimes.

There are times when you have to compromise between your fucking pride and the benefit of your work, but Togashi is a fucking stubborn piece of shit and keeps wanting to do it alone, taking years of breaks because he can't do it.

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>>161986000
I hate spoonfeeding idiots like you.
Alternatively, look at the chapter where Phinks and Feitan were at the auction with Gon and Killua. He literally explains it.

>>161986660
Togashi has assistants, try reading his interviews instead of spreading fanfics.

>>161987809
That doesn't really explain Hisoka's O MY RUBBER NEN asspull. It was an asspull, no one can deny it.

>>161976348
>best system
>system where asspulls are regurarly used

>>161979505
the Specialization category and Death Nen really ruined a nice system, it's basically anything Togashi can't fucking explain goes here

>>161989132
Death Nen makes sense in-universe but it isn't conducive to good storytelling. Hisoka's resurrection makes perfect sense based on his power set and situation, but it was presented in a retarded way that makes it feel like an asspull when it was quite clearly where Togashi was heading with the encounter from the beginning. The 6 chapter fight before then was basically fanservice which made Hisoka's involvement in this arc feel forced, unless his being a revenant now has a bearing on the plot in some way. Only time will tell I guess.

>>161989341
Is Togashi good at storytelling?

>>161988966
But only retards who don't think beyond their knee jerk reaction consider it an asspull. Non retards acknowledge that post death nen has been around for ages, and that cardiac massage, something that exists in real life, is the logical basis for how it was used.

People pick the most arbitrary shit to call asspulls. How come using post death nen is an asspull when used by Hisoka, but not when used by Pitou out of nowhere? It's the sort of illogical criticism used by brainlets who don't know how to pick out actual flaws in writing.

>>161989719
More like O MY RUBBER NEN was memed into oblivion by literal children that haven't read HxH

>>161989770
As much as I like O MY RUBBER meme, I don't think it's an "asspull".

>b-but he was dead for more than 15 minutes

12 years old kid also one shot grown ass men in heaven arena without even trying. Real life logic doesn't work here

>>161989111
>>161985890
The only asspull in all of Hunter x Hunter was Nanika healing Gon without a drawback, and that arc might have been drastically simplified/hurried by Togashi's desire to give a good closing point to the anime.

>>161988966
What about Pitou being dead but her nen ability activating and becoming even more powerful?

>>161990030
I wouldn't call it much of an asspull since we wont be seeing gon for a long time and he lost his nen or whatever, plus nanika works kind of like an introduction to the dark continent arc

>>161990030
Since it's pretty much confirmed that Nanika is Ai, it have become a lot less offensive.

>>161990030
Oh yeah, that was the only time he wrote an arc all in one go.

>>161990076
why would consequence dictate an "asspull"?

>>161990076
Nothing of that makes it not an asspull. Breaking all rules established at that point makes it an asspull.

>>161989719
>Not an asspull
>Been dead for almost 15minutes
>Lack of oxygen on the brain should have made him paralyzed and unable to do shit
>Resurrected with no consequence
>Pitou didn't resurrect, its Nen controlled Pitou like a puppet, still dead.
>Completely different from O MY ASSPULL NEN
Only Hisocucks believe it wasn't an asspull. Bias faggots.
Tell me more how it is not an asspull?

>>161991470
>lack of oxygen should have made him paralyzed after getting resurrected and won't be able to do shit
*fixed*

Isn't it in every shounen anime though? Reiatsu, Chakra, Fairy Tail spiritual energy or whatever, These are all Nen with different names.

>>161991470
Why do you retards pretend to know how long Hisoka was dead?

>>161991470
Didn't Gon hold his breath for like 9 minutes during the Hunter Exam?

>>161992015
Morel can hold his breath for hours.
Although, you can't hold your breath while dead.

>>161976348
It's because power systems are seen more as a way to have cool fights and power levels rather than world building. In Naruto, Fairy Tail, and Bleach for example , nearly none of the powers/skills are used for anything other than combat, which is only a small part of most of the characters' lives time-wise.

>>161992096
Even so, strong hunters like Biscuit can run for an entire day without even getting winded. Is it that much of a stretch to say that a human as strong as Hisoka could survive for slightly longer than average without oxygen?

>>161991649
Without carefully crafted mechanics to explain what is going on, no it isn't. Dude shooting fire in Jojo, Naruto or Fairy Tail is just dude shooting fire because he can shoot fire.

In HxH he is either:
Transmutating his aura into fire and the propelling the fire forward with his breath, in which case the fire is dangerously close to his body, so he must also be enhancing his toughness, which would mean he gets tired easily.
Or shooting his aura forward and then transmuting it once it reaches a certain distance, which means he is either a transmuter and thus has limited range, or he is an emitter, in which case he probably needs an extra condition in order to transmute the aura into fire.
Or he is hiding a flamethrower somewhere, in which case the flamethrower has limited fuel and is vulnerable to regular fire rules such as oxygen, etc.

>>161992257
It's not a question of getting winded or being able to hold your breath.
You may be able to run without getting winded, but if you're dead and your heart can't beat for shit, you're not getting blood into your brain, and therefore you're not getting any oxygen (while if you're holding your breath, your heart is still beating) and no blood = permanent damage to the brain.
Just for the record, I don't think it's an asspull. It serves its story purpose and it makes sense for the character and nen.

>>161986000
Apparently Nen doesn't go away after death and that was just a desperate trick.

>>161980224
That's pretty neat and I want to read HxH now, a Shame I'm already being tortured by Berserk hiatus

>>161992371
Nonsense. We know that transmuting Aura into electricity was considered incredibly hard and was only possible because Killua is a Zoldyck meaning excellent genetic Nen talent, and because he was tortured with electricity since early childhood.

Transmuting Aura into Fire would presumably be as hard or harder, so there is no way emitters or manipulators are able to do it efficiently.

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>>161981440
Did you forget about this guy?

>>161993139
The ability can only be used on rainy days. That is a major condition for an ability that creates water.