But is there anyone who can beat All Fiction?

Altair

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Medaka is such a clusterfuck of shitty manga. I am glad it ended

Altair

Altair

Altair.

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>>161956071

>>161956094
>>161956129
>>161956152
>>161956186
>>161956191
It's not fun if you only bring up nigh-omnipotent characters.

>>161956094
>>161956129
>>161956152
>>161956186
samefag forced meme

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>>161956191

Step up yo game, sempai

>>161956277
>>161956191

The more words the more VALID it is?

>>161956277
Logos would beat Demonbane, normie-chan.

Hajun.

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>>161956071

>>161956312
ETERNAL MONOMAGIA WILL BEAT IT EASILY YOUR MECHS WON"T DO SHIT

Altair

>>161956191
It s true Logos fought a monster that set the internet on fire and punched a black hole to death just so everyone knows

>>161956363
Found Evageeks thinking they know what thy are talking about. Logos erases the concept of Eternal and wins.

Can someone post the broly copypasta, I forgot to save it

>>161956406
Please your Aquarios Logos doesn't even have Infinite in his name.What could POSSIBLY beat an INFINITE OVER MACHINE

>>161956463
He erases the concept of infinity and wins, it beat the concept of nothingness the same way and not even at full power. Checkmate.

>>161956463
Kirito with his own mech, apparently

>>161956508
Oh you mean THAT infinity that's just level 1 infinity, I'm not talking about level 2 infinity, hell I'm not even talking about level 10 infinity,I'm talking about MEMEFINITY

>>161956071
What would happen if GER face All Fiction not used by Kumagawa?

Altair?

>>161956624
They're the same, so whoever strikes first wins

>>161956071
Anyone since its user always loses.

>>161956624
Dio Over Heaven had the power to stop GER so Dio Over Heaven is a better choice against these memepowered hooligans.

featherine

>>161956632
VS battles are now possible because of Altair

>>161956624
Kumagawa would lose to Yamcha, he can't win ever because that's how he's written

>>161956640
>>161956671
We're not talking about Kumagawa, just about All Fiction, which is one of the most bullshit abilities of all time when separate from its user.

>>161956071
The dick

>>161956586
>look ma I'm making excuses
You need to be 18 here, kid.

Kumagawa would just shit on whoever and whatever on this thread.
He will just make them cease to exist. End of Story.

>>161956639
>>161956722
Is there a way to make All Fiction or GER less broken while still retaining their basic principle?

>>161956706
Excuses? All what I'm saying is canon.

>>161956750
Equivalent exchange

>>161956836
How would that work in the case of nullification, though?

>>161956750
All Fiction could have been overpowered but it's nerfed since it's Kumagawa, a minus, who is using it.

>>161956656
this, as the witch of theatregoing she literally brings fiction into existence and thus, all fiction is merely a subset of what she can do. and naturally she's immune to its own effects with text, plot, causality manipulation, etc.

>>161956722
>author couldn't even beat Altair

>>161956191
>>161956277
Sometimes I wonder if the source material those images are based on are nearly as engaging as they appear to be.

>>161956867
You nullified something, something of equal value is taken / nullified from you

>>161957505
What about stuff like
>nullify my aging
>nullify the concept of death itself on my own existence
>nullify my sense of pain
There's no counterbalance for those.

>>161956071
GER
EGD
Altair

>>161957597
>EGD
Esophagogastroduodenoscopy?

>161957605
Ember's Ghost Dquad

>>161957540
>nullify my sense of pain

One of your other sense is taken

>nullify the concept of death itself on my own existence

Your five senses are taken but you can't die

>nullify my aging

Same shit, or you have cancer

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>>161956645
THe World Over Heaven has to PUNCH something to change its destiny. So it's basically just a version of Made in Heaven that works on EVERYBODY instead of just certain people. While it appears to keep the time stop of the original The World, thus making it easier to get the punch, the requirement of physical contact at all would make things a rather up hill battle for Dio and The World Over Heaven against other reality warpers. It can match the same level of power, but its limitations should not be dismissed.

>>161956071
All Fiction is smalltime trash.
Bookmaker is what makes Kumagawa top tier.

Altair is weak desu. Her powers are heavily reliant on the acceptance of others. She is weak because her universe constantly threatens to delete her.
>Inb4 "but its real life!!!!1"
So many fictional stories take place in "real life" they just aren't so blatant and hamfisted in their showing, in those settings the people in it are still fictional. Altair is merely a doubly fictional character, a fragment of a fragment. Any reality warper would send her packing back to the fictional internet.

>>161958003
Anons clearly accept her bullshit.

>>161956645
as >>161957914 aludes to, TWOH negating GER was out of the stand's primary ability of rewriting the reality of whatever it punched. So what really happened was that Dio struck first. Dio and TWOH do not have an inherent immunity to other reality warping powers. Using The World to strike first just makes it seem that way.

Altair

>>161958003
I like the way you put it.

Why was All Fiction considered a minus, anyway? I thought the point of minuses was that they had negative consequences such as never turning off, but Kumogawa had perfect control over it at all times. Shouldn't it just be a talent?

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>>161956071

>>161958003
This so much

>>161958941
A minus was just an abnormal with a twisted personality, and the distinction is pretty shaky anyway. Even within the story there was discussion if Munakata shouldn't be considered a minus rather than an abnormal.

>>161956071
The cock

>>161957962
Bookmaker is just Kumagawa making a point. All Fiction is all around better

>>161958941
It's more about the "status" of the character in the story. A "minus" is someone who is hindered by the plot developing, while a "plus" has abnormal (heh) plot armor.
That's why Ajimu courted Zenkichi to that extent. He was basically a harem protagonist in a battle manga and her goal was changing the genre, so Medaka wouldn't be invincible based on plot contrivance.

Featherine

Is this it guys? Are we experiencing a birth of a new epic meme?

Will Altair vs Featherine become a thing to remember by future generations?

>>161959854
Now you jinxed it

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>>161959854
Nah, altairfags was already BTFO in her own thread, they need to find a new power level thread to regurgitate their shitty fail character, too bad for them >>161958003 basically destroys anything they will regurgitate here.
BTW, Touma can beat All fictional and kumogawa, since he's fighting a supernatural, his precog will always kick in and Kumogawa's is written as a loser so that's that.

>>161956071
Bobobo

>>161960279
>BTW, Touma can beat All fictional and kumogawa, since he's fighting a supernatural, his precog will always kick in and Kumogawa's is written as a loser so that's that.
He really can't for two reasons.
IB's mechanics are very clearly defined, it only removes distortions caused by phase distortions, returning things to their status in the pure world. This basically means it's ineffective on anything but Index magic.

>"precog"
Kumagawa has that too, and his is way better.


Regardless Kumagawa always loses.

>>161956312
>normie
Kill yourself, newfag trash

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>>161956071
The "Poor Sales", "Cancellation" or "The Author Dies"

Kumagawa always loses
But losing doesn't mean he can't kill his enemies
Because his losses are defined in other ways

>>161960395
It means that it is effective against any supernatural phenomena that it comes contact with and All fiction is a supernatural phenomena that distorts a natural thing to abnormal, unless it's clashing against extremely powerful supernatural attacks, IB can return anything to it's natural state almost instantly, making All fiction's effects against him to be nullified. Precog is subjective since a Touma being, at most a peak athletic human was able to react and deflects attacks at least faster than sound and coming from multiple angles, that's a big powerjump for me, but even without all of those still...

Kumogawa's still a loser by heart.

>>161961174
>>It means that it is effective against any supernatural phenomena that it comes contact with and All fiction is a supernatural phenomena that distorts a natural thing to abnormal, unless it's clashing against extremely powerful supernatural attacks, IB can return anything to it's natural state almost instantly, making All fiction's effects against him to be nullified.
No, that's just not how it works.
Read the novels, specifically NT10

>>161961197
I don't really see what's wrong with what he said. If you are talking about how it normalizes values based on the pure world, then instead of not working Touma would actually delete anything and everything outside of his multiverse.

>>161961197
Nope, phase shifting is still a supernatural phenomena, just a high level one, a distortion of natural state of things, IB is meant to primarily fix those shit and as a subset of it's power, it can nullify any other supernatural effects it comes contact with. Are you saying that All fiction is not akin to doing the same? Distorting the natural state of things by making something real a fiction? You're saying it's a natural thing? Or that all the supernatural beings and attacks that IB nullified are somehow actually not blocked by IB? Or that you separated Medaka supernatural powers from Raildex supernatural powers?

>>161957098
>got smacked by a gingerboy with only 9 times infinite level punch and lose
lamo

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>>161961426
That would be some bullshit at Demonbane's level.

>>161961505
The hell you're talking about? Featherine never lost in Umineko nor even fought Battler. Hey Newfag, are you trying to fit it? Lurk more.

>>161961522
The only issue being that he'd destroy the air around him and end up killing himself.

>>161961608
>newfag
lol are you trying to fit in here. You are the one who needs to read Umineko.

You guys all have really shit memory right?
Medaka used All Fiction and was unable to beat THE FRESH GOD.

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>>161961672
>He thinks Featherine even fought Battler
Hey retarded Newfag, YOU go read Umineko Chapter 8 and tell me when did Battler even fought Featherine there.
Geez another retarded shitbrain in /a/

For something as nigh-omnipotent as Featherine, she has blatant weakness on her memory device as R07 mentioned on the last official guidebook written by himself. She is high tier but not Demonbane Vortex Blaster tier that can one-shot and literally kill omnipotent.

>>161961724
True but IIRC Kumagawa All Fiction got further modification on the end of the series.

>>161961724
Well he's a given, no need to rub it to Kumogawa's face.

>>161961835
>manga as a source
>Archer reaction image
>throwing insults
kek, this secondary can't even hold his argument.

>>161961845
if someone killed an "omnipotent" then that character was never actually omnipotent to begin with. Logic 101

>>161961915
>Umineko
You can never truly discuss something with uminekofags.

>>161961915
Not him, but you're wrong about Featherine. You might be thinking of Bernkastel.

>>161961923
>>161961923
>Also trying to develop a theory to explain, assign or reject omnipotence on grounds of logic has little merit, since being omnipotent, in a Cartesian sense, would mean the omnipotent being is above logic
Sorry, are you talking about how you are above logic now?

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>>161961915
>he thinks that it means read the manga
>the retard don't even know the VNs story are actually separated in 8 chapters. UNNKN for Chapters 1-4 and UNNKN chiru for Chapters 5-8
>the fag even thinks the manga is not a valid canon source material
Well by this point I can't even tell if you're just trolling or actually totally retarded. Either way go seek a psychologist, you need help.

Regardless of that umineko baiter aside, this >>161961845 is correct.
I recalled Featherine's memory device is on her horn and Ryukishi said she will revert back to Hanyuu when her horn break.

>>161961845
How did April Fiction work? From what I remember it felt like a weaker All Fiction.

>>161962027
oh you actually mean in fictional sense? Since if someone is actually omnipotent no one can kill or defeat it. That's fucking simple REAL LIFE LOGIC. Meaning Azatoth is only nigh-omnipotent.

>>161962183
>The Hanyuu is Featherine fags
You guys never let go of that headcanon did you? How many years has it been?

>>161962234
It was All Fiction but only for a few minutes. I think he also has Non-Fiction where he can bring shit back. He also still has All Fiction as well

>>161962315
>

>>161962234
He just misremembering it, April fiction was meant to use to cancel All fiction. Remember when Kumogawa removed Keichi or whatever from existence using All fiction? April fiction negated that.

>>161962234
Knowing how it works won't make you move further in life.

>>161962266
> Since if someone is actually omnipotent no one can kill or defeat it
There is no if, or someone, or how can anyone kill or unkill or defeat omnipotent or not because your logic is contradictory.
There is no omnipotent character in fiction->this is correct
Author stated x character is omnipotent->this is correcton fiction sense
So for the sakes of storytelling, Demonbane is above omnipotent. Of course everything in fiction is just wordplay so you taking it seriously and using some nonsense as real life logic is nonsense on itself.

>>161962315
Cry more to the author. Maybe he will hear you and rewrite all his VN according to your taste.

>>161956702
/thread

>>161962412
Oh misremembering it sorry it was almost 5 years last time I read MBox.
>>161962432
Well, yeah Omnipotent word is something actually hard to use in fiction anyways.
INB4 Altairfags comes and says Altair is omnipotent.

>>161962315
is alter persona/tabletop avatar you massive dipshit

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>>161962457
You cry more to 07, delusional Hanyuufag.

>>161961505
that was bern anon

>>161962630
Yes I remembered it wrongly. lmao

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>>161956191
>>161956277
You guys are smalltime.

>>161962597
>>161962617

>he concedes defeat and can do nothing but linking to his stale brain meme post

>>161962753
who are quoting?

>>161956277
>>161956191
>>161962675
Who will win the wank battle!

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>>161956071

>Basically singlehandely taken it upon myself to destroy Altairfags whenever they show up in powerlevel threads.
Remember kids, DOUBLE FICTIONAL.

>>161962796
He can't even back up their headcanon kek

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>>161962874
Remember R E A L L I F E F I C T I O N

>>161956094
「No Feats」

>>161963204
Naaw man check out all these building level attacks!
Look she can probably even dodge bullets! truly the strongest R E A L L I F E fictional character ever.

>>161963204
>>161963255
Seething

Powerlevel discussions stop being fun when people bring up maximum bullshit character who are almost omnipotent.

>>161961174
All fiction is not supernatural phenomena. What all fiction does is negating an event in the past, not magically changing the current state of something to the desired state. Touma can't do anything to Kumagawa because after Kumagawa has deleted the desired even from the past, the current world is identical to the pure world. Touma can't remake the event Kumagawa deleted. In fact not even Kumagawa can.

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>all this altairfags

>>161963396
It just becomes two children arguing at that point
>"nuh-uh, demonbane is much much more all powerful than your featherine"
>"no way! Featherine is so much more omnipotent than demonbane its not even funny"
>"hey guys check out my altair she is super omnipotent because she is R E A L L I F E F I C T I O N and all ur omnipotents arent actually real like my altair is!"

>>161963534
The last one has a point though, Altair is actually real.

>>161963564
As real as this following statement
"Altair is not real"

>>161963599
You do know that Re:Creators is based on a true story, right?

Altair, literally. And anyone who says otherwise are either a contrarian, a shitposter, someone who doesn't know how powerlevel work or someone who haven't watched the show.

>>161963626
You do know you have brain damage right?
Every fictional character with any sort of reality warping power would school Altair. Altair is merely a double fiction low tier reality warper with at best mountain level feats. Sorry but she just isn't that strong

>>161963626
>You do know that Re:Creators is based on a true story, right?
explain

>>161963700
You're wrong as always.

>>161963734
No you are.

>>161963759
No, you are.

>>161963759
>>161963799
It begins!

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>muh feat
>muh mountain
>muh pay grade
The buzzwords of fear that Altair has crashed their little circlejerk.

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>>161963759
>>161963799
would you two please get a room

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>>161963700
anon, thats umineko tier and not so high

>>161963799
No fuck you, I'm right you are wrong. was there ever any doubt?

>>161961197
>>161960395
>IB's mechanics are very clearly defined
>Read the novels, specifically NT10
lol no, absolutely not. This is absolutely every line in NT10 that references "phase." Nowhere was it stated that every supernatural phenomena involved phases or that supernatural phenomena not involving phases can't be negated by Touma. We also have no reason to believe esper powers involve phases and Touma can negate esper powers just fine.

>(First, she seals off a limited portion of the world and then she chooses particular phases of different religions or sects and cuts through them.)
>Just as a summoned angel was manifested using condensed Telesma, these rulers of the end were likely masses of the type of power stored in their respective religion or phase. >However, these were nothing more than power focused into the images of the calamites people had imagined and so they would not necessarily look exactly like those gods of death or demon kings, but the raw power that presented itself made that fact easy to forget.
>But in truth, there had been one more layer. It was as uniform as a thin membrane, it had not even the slightest seam, and it could not be detected or destroyed by anyone, but one last phase had existed.
>“I made some adjustments to myself to ensure that would not happen. That way I can control something different than you bizarre magicians who can only live in a distorted phase.”

>>161963928
Source of this Bluemail graph?

I'm not watching re:creatprs. why this Altair is so OP?

>>161964252
Weaponized memes.

>>161963961
>I'm right you are wrong
yes

>>161964252
Baby first reality warper

>>161964252
She has a counter to everything.

>>161957314
They aren't

>>161964252
Plot armor incarnate

What can Altair do?

>>161964532
Everything

>>161961968
Featherine fags need to leave, it's not even worth discussing her vs Demonbane at this point

Most of these characters belong on /jp/ or /v/, not /a/. Altair is doing a good job in finally kicking them out and making /a/ pure again.

>>161964252
delusional altairfags

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this thread needs more oniisama.

>>161964252
Because she is literally "Asspulls: the powerset".
She is an O.C. that gets the powers of every fanart where she shows up, which means that her powerset is vague as fuck and she can just asspull new convenient powers out of nowhere.

Reminder that altairfags unironically believe fictional real life is a power tier

>>161964840
It is now, we're taking over.

>>161964822
No, that's Miku. Altair's power comes from her in universe fanbase where she is a meme character, not from her real life fanbase where she is a character in the anime Re: Creators

>>161964613
>Featherine fags need to leave
i will as soon as delusional altairfags realize their shitty waifu is just another powerless creation and can't beat a real life author

>>161964840
>>161964862
>>161961923
>>161963928
What the hell is fictional real life?

>>161964822
Does it mean that if no one cares for her then she won't get any new powerset?

>>161965016
And what does that change?
She literally has any powers the plot needs her ot have. That's lazy writing as its finest.
Watching any character fighting Altair is pointless because her powers are so vaguely defined that the writer can come up with any power she needs to win.

>>161965032
Yeah, pretty much, but she already has a huge powerset because apparently people love to make fanart of some random bitch's O.C.

>>161965121
It changes that until the author gives her those powers she won't have them, they don't come from anons arguing in powerlevels threads

>>161964822
Wait so that means the more people make coldsteel the hegehog versions of her the more powerful she gets?
kek

>>161965121
>people
Is that real life people or fictional real life people?

>>161965209
But the idea of her is anons arguing in powerlevels threads.

a reminder: the only power than can trump ominpotence is metapotence

>>161965209
I think we are arguing about different things.
My point is that she is a shitty character with the laziest moveset ever. She is like that little kid that said shit like "I have the power to counter any power you have"
Even fucking Demonbane has a more defined powerset than her.

>>161965223
Fictional IRL people.

>>161965236
So? She isn't above powerlevels, she isn't a true meme character like Miku and Powerman. She is a character in the anime Re:Creators and as such her powers are limited

>>161965344
>>>/pol/

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>>161965354
But her canon is that she has no canon. That's her point. She doesn't even have a description and god knows what those cubes that make her are. Nothing can defeat her unless it acknowledges her existence, and no set canon can keep up with her abilities and moveset.

>fictional real life
i love how it's 2017 but /a/ is still creative enough to make new memes

>>161965467
I don't see why you consider that a meme, it makes perfect sense what it means.

I get a little gist of Altair power. Can a real life affect her powerlevel?

>>161965460
No anon, she has a canon. She is a meme character inside the Re:Creators universe that became real. She needs acceptance for her powers as they come from her fanbase in that universe

>>161965460
And? That still makes her the epitome of lazy writing, a villain that can asspull any power the plot requires her to have and win, thus making all the fights where she is involved worthless as shit.
The fucking show is even wasting most of its second cour in a massive battle where the heroes do nothing but get killed because for every trick they have under their sleeves she has a new power taken out of her ass to counter it.
If you want to make broken meta characters then do it like Medaka and either make them interesting or have them fight even more broken meta characters.
Altair is nothing like that, she is a smug cunt with no personality beyond "muh dead Creator" that is boring to watch because she never struggles or suffers any meaningful setbacks and the heroes are so weak compared to her than they might as well be little children trying to murder a lion.

>>161965645
Re:Creators having shit writing is besides the point.

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>>161958941
Because it's not actually a Minus, it's the Ability Hundred Gaunlets, which Ajimu gave in return for stealing his original Minus. Kumagawa had the minus of Book Maker, which makes those stabbed by it perfectly equal to him in every way; body, spirit, technique, intellect, and talent.
Sadly I don't have her explanation of Hundred Gauntlets so have this.

Gagamaru's [Encounter] Is equally as broken as All Fiction, as it affects everything from physical and magical damage to sadness and frustration and is automatic. Presumably if you tried to meta attack and remove Encounter it would react and someone else would lose Encounter if they had it

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I haven't watched Re:Creators and I know next to nothing about Altair, but she seems like a shitty meme character that has ruined a Kumagawa thread.

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>>161965645
It's re:creators not re:creations though. The fight was between professional creators with unlimited budget (but heavy time and material constraints) against fancreators who give no fuck about any kind of power balance or plot consistency.

>>161965971
And somehow the audience accepts the power with no power balance or plot consistency and even consider her the "hero" of the story despite the fact that she is fighting against carefully written and properly fleshed out characters.

>no one count sluteora
>the one that can destroy altair with ease

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>>161966059
Fun > Intelligent

>>161965518
>HOT
>COLD
>ICE

>>161966110
>Altair
>fun
She is literally fucking Coldsteel minus the funny edginess.

>>161966059
The audience acknowledges her power and wants to see what happens to her next. Like some here do. She's nigh unbeatable. How can her story get an interesting resolution?

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A random fodder from suggsverse deletes the re:creator omniverse, recreates it to wipe their ass with it, and punches the mangaka in the face, while taking a shit on the bible.

>>161966167
I fail to see why the audience would want to see a bunch of beloved characters get killed off.
And no, they are not expecting them to turn things around. Before the Setsuna thing the only fighter left was Blitz and even he acknowledged he had no chance.
The show wants me to believe that ANY audience would support a shitty edgy O.C. with fanfcition-tier pwoers while it kills off a bunch of popular characters and acts like a smug asshole. Not only that, but apparently they want it to win too.

>>161966252
>ANY audience would support a shitty edgy O.C
Why are you projecting so much? Said O.C. is likely the most popular character there in the first place.

>>161966315
Do you even know what projecting means?
And no, the fact that she is as popular as she is shown to be is already pretty stupid but there is no way a character created by an unknown author that became popular in NotPixiv would be more popular than a bunch of characters from legit series that were shown to be extremely popular.
You could argue that she is more popular than the VN girl or even Meteora but she there is no way she is more popular than Selesia, Yuya or Alicetaria.

>>161965357
the fuck does /pol/ have to do with it
you know I'm right

>>161966197
Bible is the only nonfiction book on existence. I don't know what's with all the hate from you.

>>161966433
>Do you even know what projecting means?
Yes.
>I don't like this character so I can't see why ANY person should like it, even in a world where she is established as a character with thousands of fans, discussion and content from the very start.

>>161966433
She is quite popular, she led the audience on for an interesting finale. The cast weren't being decidedly killed, since getting cubed has no description. So it was a hope for them to be brought back, just like how it is for many people here. Anything comes after she fought and defeated Sirius was the aftermath, and the time passed only broke the story and the birdcage with it further. The audience doesn't matter when the worlds collide and reality breaks.

>>161963928
Can Altair solo Suggsverse?

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>>161956071
>But is there anyone who can beat All Fiction?
my waifu can.

>>161966504
And I'm saying that the fact that she is so popular is stupid as fuck, you dumb cunt.
The writer established she is super popular and keeps insisting the audience loves her and I'm saying that is fucking stupid because there is nothing likeable about her, specially when compared to characters created by pros who actually have a fuck about their personalities and powers making sense.
>>161966505
Resurrection was never introduced as a thing so I don't see why anyone would doubt the characters are dead as fuck, specially when the whole thing is supposed to be a crossover spin-off where anything can happen.
If they wanted a villain who seems invincible till the heroes manage to defeat her, then they would have meme'd Sirius into victory. Instead, they gave Altair enough acceptance for her to come back and nearly wipe out the whole cast.

>>161963278
>Make a claim but don't back it up with evidence to prove it

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>>161966732
>And I'm saying that the fact that she is so popular is stupid as fuck
>I'm saying that is fucking stupid because there is nothing likeable about her
Ok, anon. People liking something you don't (when we only know a small part of the character anyway) is stupid as fuck and doesn't make sense.

>>161966732
>Resurrection was never introduced as a thing so I don't see why anyone would doubt the characters are dead as fuck, specially when the whole thing is supposed to be a crossover spin-off where anything can happen.
Yeah but that doesn't stop me from wanting to see Alice come back.
>If they wanted a villain who seems invincible till the heroes manage to defeat her, then they would have meme'd Sirius into victory. Instead, they gave Altair enough acceptance for her to come back and nearly wipe out the whole cast.
Now this is just dumb. What happens after Sirius beats Altair, without the main ideological conflict of her against the world is resolved or at least argued? Her only merit was that she was stronger and used the same weapon Altair used. The government is being autistic about everything and think besting her on the field is enough without cornering her psychologically.

>>161966877
We know as much as the audience in the show does.
She got popular because of her cool design, sure, but when she showed up in the Bird cage everyone saw her personality was nothing but a generic OP shounen villain who acts smug as fuck, which makes me wonder why the fuck anyone would support her.
Hikayu even says some shit like "they have chosen her as the hero/main character of this story" which implies that the audience is actually rooting for Coldsteel 2.0 to win even though she has done nothing to earn their support besides giving them some speech about being brothers or something like that.
If Altair showed a more sympathetic side once she entered the Bird Cage (even if it was all a ruse) then the audience supporting her would make sense but that wasn't the case, she has been acting villanous as fuck from the very beginning and not even like a charismatic villain or one with a goal you can agree with.

>>161964252
Because she weaponized fanwank. By creating an asspull and memeing it into existence she can hold the other creations off.

She is still bound by the laws of a mere universe, making her status as op really questionable, since she is nothing compared to true wanked characters from VN like Dies Irae, I/Of or Demonbane who fuck up multiple realities as standard

>>161967082
Reminder that Re:Creators>>>>fictional real life(supposedly Ryukishi/Featherine tier is here along with those with Author ability like The Author from DCverse>>>>>fiction
Therefore the degree of universe or reality of Re:Creators is several time higher than fiction.
There is no reason whether a character from fiction can destroy multiple building or multiple reality because they can't interact with fictional real life. Fictional real life too can't interact with Re:Creators.
tl'dr AP doesn't matter.

>>161967266
The sad part is that I can't tell if this post is serious or not

>>161956071
Everyone could, the guy who used All Fiction couldn't actually win anything.

>>161967552
It looks like a reasonable post to me, much more reasonable than yours.

>>161967597
Go to sleep anon, you are drunk

>>161967266
Nope, the meta control of Altair works only for the Re:Creators verse. Although the fictional characters of Altairs world are lower ranked than her, the other verses operate on the same meta level as she. That combined with the fact that she is still bound by the laws of just one universe means she still just a weak Had character below universe level
tl'dr Her Hax don't on characters of other verses, making her a shitty weak wanked meme.

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>>161956071
tough question

>>161956071
Any mc of any manga/anime/etc. He is going to lose, it's his words.

>>161967721
this, completely and utterly this. the fact her
meme tier reality warping is entirely based on the shit from one specific planet in her univrse makes her weakshit ultimately in Powerlevel discussion.
Its like people just stopped being underaged and watched babby's first reality warper assuming its the end all be all.

>>161967721
>>161967896
Please write it again in proper English.

>>161967928
i'm only one of the two but i'll put it in /a/ memes so you can understand:
Ur Waifu is shit because shes a stupid fuck tied to one planet. shes not even all that stronk, shes babbys first reality warper, cry harder you assblasted shitmonger, your opinions will forever be irrelevant.

>>161968020
Seething

>>161968068
m8 you sound rectal ravaged, are you in need of assistance? :^)

>>161968129
If you are mad just say it so bro. We can figure it out together.

>>161968129
This is what Altair has reduced you to.

>>161968177
>>161968182
not even mad, sounds like your booby blasted though, i mean its your choice to samefag after all. :^)

All fictions are on the same level, one is tied to the other.

The "Real life" Altair is in mimics ours with one exception, and actively fights the exception and tries to expel the said exception. If a fictional character would appear in it like Altair it would fight them by definition in the same way, and according to it's description would kick him out if he contradicted with the logic too much. You can put people, like chuck norris or steven seagull and not worry about the world kicking them out, you can't put entities like demonbane or a planetbuster since the world has to fill in the details and make sense of them to work outside the drawings and the models. Nobody knows how they would work, that is the reason the world has to fill in the gaps of our imagination in our place. If you called a character has infinite abilities without specifying them, which you can't, the universe has to do it for you. It will buckle and expel you after all.

You really gotta watch the earlier episodes if you want to argue how Altair works, these are discussed extensively.

>>161968404
Does it mean that Altair is weaker than Demonbane/Kajiri Kamui Kagura or somehow the law imposed from Altair world is on higher tier than others?

>>161968507
Altairs Holospicon only works on being in her Verse. Any character from another verse can basically ignore, making her nothing compared to the KKK/Demonbane cast

>>161968507
I would argue it means Altair's world is higher tier than others. Altair's world acknowledges fiction and fictional worlds, where the only boundary is imagination, and declares how it interacts with fiction itself. If you put demonbane in it, and only specify it's infinitesimal abilities the world will try to fill in the gaps to make it work for you. If it can't, it will kick it out.

Altair is bound to the limits of the human imagination in the fictional world, unlike the "real world with an exception" she is tied to. Every character in fiction belongs to another fictional world, exactly like the one Altair came from to the "real world"

>>161968758
Someone needs to make a chart.

>>161968758
You can't claim a verse to automatically rank higher just through the fact that it deals fictional and real. To do so would be the same Bullshit as when those Marvelfags once claimed that the TOAA would rule about all Verses and therefore be automatically superior.

>>161968899
He's just stating facts.

>>161968899
Is it a hint? A hint of you nearly getting mad?
There is less consistency about Marvel definition of omniverse anyway.

>>161968758
No anon, all worlds are equally fictional, there are no tiers. Any other fictional character like say Demonbane would be real in Re:Creators because it doesn't exist as a fiction in that world, it's completely foreign

So Re:Creators world encompass all fiction?

>>161968970
Think of it like writing Aquarion Logos on a box. You never really designed it, never did the science behind it and you only expect it to work in your fictional world because it has no choice but to make it work for the sake of your story. Altair's world is aware of this piece and the idea of fiction, the leaps of logic it takes to achieve the results it takes, and tries to give you the closest resemblance it can reproduce from it. The "Real World" can't make sense of some of Meteora's magic she could do in her fictional world, so it denies her the ability to do so. If you put a universe-sized mecha in this world, since matter and information can't surpass the speed of light, it will have trouble making sense of it.

>>161969106
So it is the Law of the "Real World". I guess the likes of Kami Tenchi and Azathoth whom western fanbase deemed as omnipotent will be just a boy and amorphous blop with no feats?

>>161968928
>He's just stating facts.
That's fanwank, not fact stating

>>161956071
Accelerator
Madara

>>161969106
All is fine and dandy, but that applies to characters that are fictional inside that universe. Even if supposing those rules apply to Demonbane all you'll get is the Re:Creators universe self-destructing, and Demonbane can exist without an universe

>>161969103
No, Re:Creators has its own fiction and that's what its bound by the rules the other dude is talking about.
There is 0 proof that a character from a different series showing up in the Re:Creators "real world" would be bound by those rules or that all fiction is bound by them, otherwise that "real world" would be rejected too considering it's fictional too.

>>161960437
Kek

>>161969178
I can't say what would happen for sure. The creations themselves have displayed a considerable power within the "real world" but it was more than usually nothing more than destructive. We know one limit of the universe before deciding to kick you out is spawning Gigas Machina, a super mecha 4 times the size of Unit-01, so there's considerable wiggle room given to you.

>>161969103
Re:Creators is the fiction.

>>161969103
My answer to that would be no, only for the legal reasons. However, there's nothing stopping from someone out there coming up with the same stories as we do.

>>161969666
Eromanga, Oreimo and Gamers! are closer to encompass all fiction than Re:Creators will ever be

>>161967766
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>>161964822
Not how it works. If you don't have the feats to prove it works on people vastly stronger than what they've proven to take on or what they've proven to actually accomplish.

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>>161970255
>Implying that wasn't yet another one of her jokes

>>161956094
>>161956129
>>161956152
>>161956186
implying she can

USO NO USO was just used last week

>>161965922
As expected of Kumagawa.

Powerlevel threads are fun

>>161965922
If you wrapped this in 「」s it would've fit perfectly.

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>>161967766
Very tough indeed

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「I haven't watched Re:Creators and I know next to nothing about Altair, but she seems like a shitty meme character that has ruined a Kumagawa thread.」

>>161972536
>off by one
Yep, that's a Kumagawa post alright

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>>161972621
He learned well

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>>161967766

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>FICTIONAL
>REAL
>LIFE

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>>161968928
This is the equivalent of what your doing.

>>161974898
A fucking classic.

>>161962675
>literal fanfic

>>161956191
>repsect

>>161962675
Crowe's debt is stronger

>>161974103
Is that a new meme?Not even demonbane can stop that shit

>>161969286
There is no proof that Demonbane can exist on the fictional real life, or there is?
SUre it can exist outside of existance non existance whatever but Demonbane is still fictional material.

>>161957962
Wasn't bookmaker just his ability to seal someone?

>>161963973
No it work on all supernatural phenomena even in all the Crossover into different World which don't have Phase in them IB still destroy supernatural phenomena and even in the NT2 the giant fortress that was following after Touma could only follow him because he destroy the Ley Lines in the area and people in the series have make it clean that Ley Lines are natural' s supernatural things and because of this even if they are destroy by IB they just come back afterword and was the reason why the giant fortress was following him through the destruction and remaking of the Ley Lines and so fall in the series it point to that the Ley Lines don't have anything to do which the Phases stuff.

Well there really is no prove that All Fiction could work in any Universe but Medeka Box.

Some make omniverse charts with all the meta going on,its really hard to get points across

>>161963482
>What all fiction does is negating an event in the past
All fiction wasn't restricted to events. It could affect anything Kumagawa desired it too. It's shown outright erasing the concept of colors from existence for example.

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>>161956071
Her Majesty, but that's cheating. It would probably be more interesting to debate how All Fiction would react against the Ever Victorious Challenger or the Undefeatable Emperor

>>161976370
>Demonbane is still fictional material
Just like the Re:Creators universe. No, fictional real life is not a thing no matter how much you try to force that meme

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>it's Altair the Incarnation of plot armor?
>but Sota is going to defeat she using mental tricks
>soo Sota have the plot armor?
>if Altair is all powerful why she doesn't killed already Sota?

Man... Fucking plot holes

Also:where is power man pic when you need it