>invent perpetual energy >instead of bringing about world

Losing.

>>161954310
>Red Ribbon Army
>giving the faintest of fucks about world peace

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nigga was petty and lusted for world conquest

>>161954310
Old age.

>>161954310
The easy part was getting the brain out...the HARD PART WAS -

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The Android saga should've took place before the Freeza saga.
I just can't buy that an earthling scientist managed to build androids that strong, when his last greatest creation was pic related.

>>161954310
>invent perpetual energy
>doesn't use it on himself
>use it on highly rebellious teenagers
He was retarded

>>161954310
>bringing about world peace and ending world hunger
Aren't those already given in the Dragon Ball world?

>>161955273
To be fair no one ever fought 8 and he tanked a gun shot that knocked out Goku

>>161955273
I chock the androids being do powerful up to the data Gero recorded from all the fights the Z fighters had, not because they were actually physically stronger.

>>161955273
cousin there was a girl who could blow up the earth on db

>>161955906
She's a joke character.

>>161955906
Arale isn't a girl, it is a robot and wasn't made by Gero.

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>>161955356
Not the world hunger part.

>>161954310
Please. With all the tech and his skills he could've made a company that would be equal rivals to Capsule Corp. He could've bathe in money.

INSTEAD POUR ALL THE RESOURCES TO GET REVENGE ON GOKU...

>>161955273
if you think about it though wouldn't a calculating machine be better at fighting than humans like freiza. Really i think the issue is just how strong they made freiza but then doubled back.

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The designs of the androids were great, Toriyama's editor was a pleb for not liking them.

>>161954310
I heard somewhere that there was some kind of backstory about his son being part of the Red Ribbon Army when Goku dismantled it. Probably me misremembering though since DBZ didn't give any indication of this.

>>161957568
"Dr. Gero's son was a high-ranking Red Ribbon soldier, but he died hit by an enemy bullet; Gero later modeled the powerful Android 16 after his dead son.[2] At one point, Dr. Gero brought home a doll decorating the command center of an enemy base as a trophy, which he later used as a model to design Android 19.[2]" This has nothing to do with Goku

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>>161954310
>Implying perpetual energy could bring about some kind of utopia

>>161957422
if it wasn't for toriyama's editor we would've never gotten Cell

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>>161954310
Just let the man do what he wants

>>161955273
Tao was the last cyborg before and he already used ki for his cannon.

>>161957568
That was only in Dragon Ball Z abridged. Mostly because TFS wanted Gero to actually have a good motivation.

>>161954310

Considering that their leader was a faggot who tried to conquer the world and get a wish with limitles potential just to be taller, being retarded enough to bear a grudge against some kid in his early 10's sounds like something Gero would do.

Having real intelligence isn't exactly the strong point of the red ribbon members.

>>161954310
Toriyama was out of good villain ideas. But still needed one for his Terminator inspired arc. So he quickly came up with two bland generic villains, and then spend the rest of the arc trying to fix his mistake.

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>>161954310

Because pic related

>>161957845
"An unnamed soldier is the son of the Red Ribbon Army head scientist Dr. Gero. He is mentioned in an interview with the Dragon Ball manga series author, Akira Toriyama, in one of the Dragon Ball Full Color Androids Saga volumes."
Looks like you're wrong.

>>161957986
Oh right. He was confirmed by word of god. But unless i'm remembering things wrong, Goku wasn't the one that killed him in canon.

>>161958230
Yeah, it seems like he was killed before Goku's conflict with RR.

>>161955273
8 is based, faggot.

>Android 16 modeled after his son
Was this the reason Gero didn't want to activate him? It was even stronger than 17 and 18 to me

>>161958444
It's because he was unfinished.

>>161957377
>if you think about it though wouldn't a calculating machine be better at fighting than humans like freiza?
>Frieza
>Human
And no, why would some Earth scientist be able to build a cyborg able to shit all over the galactic emporer. Also, why would his tech be better than Frieza's own tech when HE became a cyborg? Makes no sense.

No android ever beat a saiyan that was fighting at 100%.

So what if a scientist can make a super-strong android? It's a mystical world with chi and magick and kung fu and dragons and space ships and flying cars and houses in small capsules.
Perpetual energy is like the least impressive achievement possible in such an universe.
That's really just
>laaaaaaaaaaaame
tier shit.

>>161959072
You're just used to aliens being always technologically superior to earthlings in fiction. Doesn't mean every writer has to follow that trope.

>>161959224
⬑Very much this.

>>161958444
It's implied that it's because of how much 16 resembles his dead son. He couldn't bring himself to potentially send him to die again.

>>161959072
Earth always had some extremely powerful technology in Dragon Ball. Just capsules alone would be orgasmic in today's world.

>>161954310
>This old faggot
>on a back water hick planet
>Somehow creates machines that make the ruler of the universe look like a little bitch
How did he do it? How the fuck did he create androids that Frieza would lose to in a fight? His last wave of machines couldnt even stand up to kid goku.

>>161959683
See these:
>>161959224
>>161959226

>>161959683
He had years of butthurt and supercomputers in a secret high tech facility. He had data on Goku and the rest. Frieda couldn't rule the universe anyway. To the Kais, Dabura, Babidi and Buu, he might as well been mayor of CWCville.

>>161959224
>Bad writing is ok because there are lots of powers and stuff

>>161959226

But earth didn't even develop spacefaring technology by themselves without reverse engineering alien tech while Freezer's organization has been invading (and most likely assimilating their technology) planets all over the galaxy for generations AND also their weapons technology like blasters were years ahead mankind's peashooters.

Cue to gero who somehow magicked weapons that SHITS on Freezer's and probably 16's hand cannons can one shoot him

>>161959796
The kais wouldnt have interfered. Frieza didnt go around destroying shit just for fun. Dabura was only as strong as he was because Babidi possessed him.

Post bulma boobies

>trying to make sense of dragonball

Toriyama is literally, LITERALLY, a sellout fucking hack. Everything after cell saga is poorly written garbage, trying to make sense of it is folly because it was never planned to be written well in the first place. True Dragonball ended at Freiza saga, you know it to be true (even if the Cell and Buu fights were pretty cool).

>>161959834
Just because earthlings are behind in some aspects, doesn't mean they have to be behing in the rest.

Would you have rather watched an arc about an old guy who becomes wealthy and powerful through the invention of perpetual energy, then uses his power to get revenge on Goku by financially ruining all of his friends and family?

>>161959927
>Implying it isnt everything after Frieza

If the series ended right there it would be perfect

>>161959927
That's a myth.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/intended-end/freeza/

>>161954310
Yeah, that's why they call him Dr. Gero, not Dr. Hero.

>>161954310
He would have never gotten there if he stopped being angry.

>>161960029
Goku doesnt give a shit about such thing

>>161960033
It wouldn't have been because Gohan's character arc would be left unfinished and Cell wouldn't be a thing.

>>161959996

But they suddenly got good in shit that they weren't good with. I mean, before 16, the strongest mechanical dolls/armors they could create were 8, that terminator reference and those robot suits that pilaf and Black used, stuff that even DB Roshi could solo. And weapons wise, earthlings still used ballistic and explosive weapons no better than the ones of real world in the 80's with one or two beam weapons while Freezer's army had their raditz-tier blasters.

Therefore it doesn't make sense that there was such a colossal jump in advancement in a mere decade, where you get robots and beam weapons that could easily solo anything Freezer's organization can produce

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>>161959927
This.
Goku and Kulilin both died with Namek. RIP brave warriors.

>>161960029
Now that you say that, yes. Give Bulma and Chi Chi some screen time as they battle the financial problems and Goku and Vegeta have to deal with killer robots and cyborgs coming from an unknown enemy. It couldn't possibly be Dr. Gero could it, he has done so much good?

17 and 18 are leaders of a couple of robot death squads, but since they were human they are dealing with the conflicts of morality and programming.

When Gero is found out, he unleashes his untested prototype, Cell, but it turns out to be more than he can control.

>>161960149
So what? If you've played civilization, you could easily invent modern missile cruisers and still be stuck with classical era swordsmen fighting against world war 1 land battleship tanks.

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>>161959927
>not everything after King Piccolo

>>161960275
This may come as a surprise but real life technology is not the same as in video games.

>>161959867
That's the point. The Kai's don't give a fuck about Frieza beyond acknowledging his existence. Babidi also picked the best people from various planets and places. Dabura is some big name in hell.

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>>161960358
>not everything after Oolong wishes for panties

>>161960149
Gero was a gifted scientist like nobody else. The guy had all the motivation to devote all his time on revenge.

>>161960058
Not until he noticed dinner was getting smaller. Then he'd care.

>>161960584
Nigga literally hunted dinosaurs for meal, he doesnt

>>161955273
The problem is that the Freeza saga had the biggest powercreep in almost any manga. In his base form he could destroyed an entire planet with a tiny energy ball casually emerging from his finger, while Goku and Raditz instantly died from a ki-blast by Piccolo

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>>161960556
>>>>your mother and father meeting in the first place
>you are now partially blind and deaf

>>161959683
robot enhancements can do a lot, robo-frieza got a significant upgrade if I remember, he was just outclassed by Trunks anyway.
I like how in Resurrection Frieza reveals he's a lazy sack of shit that never even tried, it makes him being outclassed throughout the series a lot easier to swallow.
God monkey > Super spaceman > superest monkey > robo human > superer monkey > robo spaceman > super monkey > spaceman > monkey > human

>smart enough to create infinite energy sources
>loses to kid (secret op alien)
What do you think was his problem

>>161960581

But what about materials and money? With the red ribbon army destroyed, he had no more funds for his research, and even if we let him get away with somehow magicking 300 years worth of robotics progress in just 10-something years, there's the issues of finding materials that can resist planet buster-tier punches and ki blasts, and shit like that would only be found in the kai realm with that weird black cube shit that was hard to break, not in some underdeveloped planet

>>161960818
>shit like that would only be found in the kai realm
Nice headcanon.

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>aware of Beerus
>aware he has never trained in his life
>aware he could improve exponentially given his natural gifts
>sits in a bowser chair all day and sends thousands of low power henchmen to do everything with blasters
What was he fucking expecting?

>>161957760
that's fine, I only care about his first form

>>161961022
>Why is this poorly written character made a poorly written decision in a poorly written series that was prolonged for the sake of jew gold

Why indeed i fucking wonder

>>161961022

I don't buy that shit about having never trained. One must train to develop fighting techniques, and considering Freezer's aptitude for combat, he must've fought quite a lot of times to be able to fight against skilled warriors that have honed their powers via years of training. I mean, it's not like he randomly tossed fists in fight and relied in sheer brute force, he actually had finess and technique.

So yeah, Toriyama was being a hack as usual when he asspulled the whole never training once to justify freezer's defeat and eventual rise to power just by training with some no name dude.

>>161954310
There is no such thing as world peace when there exists literally anything with more strength and authority than yourself.

>>161961022
I guess Beerus was tolerable enough for him to not consider training and kicking his ass.

>>161961147
Learning how to fight through years of beating up your enemies isn't really "training".

OP, DBZ takes place on a futuristic earth with flyng cars and furries. Pretty sure they already have permanent energy,

>>161961447

It has the same effects of strengthening your body and mind. It is no different to how in Super he somehow got to super blue's level just by kicking the shit out of a hopelessly out of his league tagoma constantly.

>>161961447
Saiyans gain power through taking damage. Fighting is the best training there is.

>>161955273
IIRC the term used in japan is jinzou-ningen, which translates to artificial human. They aren't necessarily robotic, they're more like humans modded to have superpowers. When it comes to that, their power comes form biological sources, like any other fighter in the series.
Also, Gero had quite some time to make them, and maybe even he had an insight on how your pic was shit and that he'd need to be loads of tiers above it.

>>161961487
There is no furries anymore except for the aliens, the author forgot about them

>>161961946
we still have shu, but i get what you mean, toriyama totally discarded years of worldbuilding for the sake of being AWSUMXD

>>161954310
>turns himself into an android
>keeps his body old wrinkly and weak

>>161960818
It took years of development to make anything. Especially Cell.

>>161954310
He was a dick obsessed with revenge. Even though he didn't exist.

>>161955273
By your logic Tony Stark's armors should all only be marginally more powerful than his last 'main' armor.
People get smarter, do more research, find more flaws and fix said flaws.

>>161962054
Exactly. Hell, most of his creations prior to 16 ended up scrapped.

>>161962096

I don't read comics, but isn't that the case? At least in the cartoons and movies, his base armor only has minor improvements through the years instead of going for example from being only good enough to kick captain america in the balls to one shot galactus.

>>161961022
Beerus is so powerful he could could fart and kill him if he so much as woke up on the wrong side of the bed that morning. Freiza is a cowardly piece of shit and wouldnt dare attempt to cross him. Beerus was the one who gave him the go ahead to be a galactic superconquerer. So after killing off all the Saiyans Freiza had no reason to train ever.

>>161957760

Cell was shit. (Well maybe not him specifically, but the writing around him was the worst part of DB)

>>161955273

90% of his time was probably spent devising a sufficient power source.

>>161962267
Whats wrong with Cell?

>>161962318
The regen asspull

>>161957965
Beat me to it.

>I didn't exist, but I'm back for revenge years later. Also, I secretly created all the androids.
Toriyama at his finest.

>>161962334
>implying his perfect genes aren't good enough

>>161962334
Of all the poorly written things in Cell saga, you chose the fucking regen?

>>161960358
They definitely planned to explain the whole "saiyan race" thing

>>161962582

How? Until then, goku simply was yet another of the many "humans" with animal/alien traits and his growth as a fighter was roughly on par with the others, nothing bullshitted into being racial traits like zenkai and getting sick gains from training like dbz does with their saiyans

>>161961147
>>161961447
During the original fight, he literally says he trained with his dad. Something about not once having dusted himself off since then.

>>161960149
>DB Roshi
DB Roshi destroyed the moon

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>>161957939
>Having real intelligence isn't exactly the strong point of the red ribbon members.
Except for blue

>>161959177
In the future where they killed Vegeta and Co

>>161962223
>At least in the cartoons and movies
Yeah no.
Comics his main armors are usually massively superior to their previous incarnations, only the specialized armors are ever marginal upgrades.
But if you only looked at his main armors you'd see massive increases.
Cartoons and Movies don't use them because either A. They weren't a thing yet or B. Budget.

>>161962737
I think I remember this now that you're talking about it

>>161955273
That always bothered me too. However, if I recall correctly he collected dna for his cell project and used frieza's too, you know, the guy that naturally exerted a massive amount of ki without any kind of training, so if he was already trying to figure out how to get boatloads of ki for his android project maybe he studied how frieza operated through his dna and then perfected it. Maybe that's why it took 2 or 3 years after frieza got rekt for dr gero and the androids to actually show up.

>>161959226
this, op understimated humanity

>>161954310
You do realize that Dr. Gero, as a member of the Red Ribbon Army, was a war profiteer?

>>161954310
>What the fuck was his problem?

He's a commie.

>>161954310
Goku murdered his son.

He actually saved Universe 7 since 17 and 18 are very valuable fighters in the ToP.
APOLOGIZE

>>161955612
yeah that was always the issue. he didn't even know what super saiyans were yet the androids he made were stronger.

toriyama has always just thought technology automatically can do anything. The only saving grace for this fuck up was that it kinda made sense for cell to be strong because the other characters were already stronger.

>>161954310
>instead of bringing about world peace and ending world hunger
Surely he was aware of life beyond "earth" or whatever their planet full of anthropomorphic dog and catmen with humans and dinosaurs is. Wasn't Cell's goal to be the most powerful in the universe? Cell's goal = Gero's goal and Cell himself spoke of Gero in high regard making it appear like he was the will of Gero.

>>161964923
That's like pointing out that Freeza was a stabilizing factor, since he had hundreds of planets in his control but since he died that's dropped to 28 total.
Maybe if he was still alive Universe 7 wouldn't have been in the tournament to begin with.

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>>161965267
No it's his fault to begin with.
He probably destroyed so many planets to mortal level dropped by half.
The only factor bigger than him was probably Buu
And Shin being a fucking awful Kai

>kid doing the right thing
>the kid was looking for the dbs because he wanted grandpa's ball, like he owned that ball
>kid on a flying cloud appears and takes a ball from some adults
>adults ask to the kid to give them back
>kid says no and fighting happens
>shit was actually an army and army gets mad
>beats and kills some henchmen that were just doing a job because the kid couldn't found grandpa's ball
>kid meet his friends and agrees to take with him without telling what he was facing
>his friends almost die because they were in the middle of nowhere inside of a deep ocean cave
>friends say "no, thanks, you crazy. we back to the beach with old pervert"
>send assassin to kill the crazy ass kid
>some uga-buga with a spear thinks magical ball is sacred made by a god(that was some alien) and attacks the assassin
>assassin kills him off and the kid
>kid survives, gets stronger by climbing a tower and "kills" the assassin
>kid decides "fuck it, will get the dbs from those guys because i promised to revive some uga-buga to his son or daughter(forgot to tap tap) that i met 5 minutes ago and gave me some soup"
>kill a bunch of people and destroy the army from a midget that wanted to be tall
>destroy a bunch of hopes, dreams and work from a scientist that was making robots and androids
>years later realize that doctor made a robot exactly like his dead son that was actually good, same shit happened 8 that was good

Army had evil intentions but the kid was crazy and selfish.
Goku even attacked Bulma out of nothing because of how retarded he was. If Goku killed Bulma in that day(which didn't happened because Bulma throws the card "I HAVE A VAGINA") then Dr. Briefs would probably call an army, an assassin, make robots, send his immortal cat to curse Goku and his robot-waifu shooting lasers

In short, don't mess with some doctor's dream or family because they will grow a grudge and shit will happen

>>161962053

The kind of self-confidence I can only dream of obtaining.

>>161959683
>His last wave of machines couldnt even stand up to kid goku.
I'm pretty sure Android 8 was stronger than Kid Goku.

Not to mention he invented a nuke that is rather small.

>>161960470
You ain't talking about real life, you's be talking about za warudo of Doragon Ballz, breh.

Where a samurai with a sword fought against a chinaman-assassin, a little girl has a sickle on her head to throw it on guys, and a little monkey boy who was the stand in for the monkey king is an ayy lmao, people were sometimes funny animal people (now only the king of the world is still a silly dog person) and all that weird shit.

Technology in DBZ is whatever helps the story.