Say hello to Altair, the new queen of powerlevel discussions.

Who knew memes would make the ultimate power.

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Say goodbye.

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To be honest she ia rather weak

>>161874144
Her sister is cuter

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lawl

>>161874144
altair vs OPM, who would win?

>>161875919
saitama attacks before she reacts

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>>161874144
>magic
hope you enjoy raining iron pans.

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>>161874144
Nice to meet ya

>>161875919
Saitama is too fast for her

>>161875919

Are you kidding? Saitama would one punch the hell out of her, possibly after letting her beat on him for a half hour.

Considering Altair's shtick is playing on audience approval for her actions, the more ludicrous and absurd powers she pulls out of her ass, the more the audience will expect her to turn into giblets in the middle of a sentence.

Because that is the trope Saitama runs on. Altair's powers will run against her in that kind of fight.

>>161875997
But that's one of her abilities

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>>161874144
She would lose to Miku.
Altair possesses all her powers because of derivative works and the fact that she has no offical canon.
The same would apply to Miku. Miku would have all the abilities out of the 10000s of art, anime, manga, and 100000s of songs starring her.
Miku would possess every hax power imaginable.
This would make Miku undoubtedly the strongest character in all of fiction.

It was also established that a characters popularity plays a role in their power level(Sirius loses against Altair because her existance is less accepted).

If we compare their Pivix level: Altair(663) vs Miku(382108) ,the result should be obvious.

>>161876179
But she then gives Saitama hair then he turns back to pre-limiter break saitama.

>>161876357

Much like Saitama is effectively immune to psychic powers, Altair would be unable to remove inbuilt character traits that have been completely established and have a well accepted backstory to them.

>>161876330
But she represents characters like Miku/Pepe ,they're on the same side

>>161876330
Quick is there are of Miku punching Saitama?

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I was wondering, since Altair is basically an OC donut steel that draws her power from being constantly reproduced by an autistic fanbase, wouldn't a literal meme character be able to compete with her on her level?

I guess what I'm asking is: "Why does she wear the hat?"

>>161876392
What happens if she summons another Saitama?

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>>161874144
>picks up an eraser and scrubs your name out of the story script from behind

heh...pathetic
think again

>>161876444

Same thing that happens when she summons another Gigas Machina, except worse?

Probably get popped right out existence then and there. There is no way she has enough acceptance power to summon another Saitama when she trouble with Gigas Machina.

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>>161875919
Altair could just delete his plo-

Oh wait.

>>161876505
She doesn't have a story,you can't erase it if it doesn't exist

>>161876330
This is interesting. I don't know the foundation of Miku has something like holopsicon built into her to tap into the powers derivated from her fanart. If that's the fundamental rule of Altair I don't know if they can compete or compare in terms of powerlevels, besides, Altair is some punished miku in her own universe.

>>161876540
She summoned gigas machina in the real world, and the universe tried to kick her out. Her fighting Saitama in the real world would probably make the universe break.

>>161876540
The only thing that could defeat her is TNJ's or herself

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Only one way to beat Altair.

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>>161874144

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Nice power level you got there

I would like someone to go past anime.

Summon Exalted from the Exalted tabletop RPG.

Summon Deadpool.

Summon Nobilis.

Summon the Downstreamers.

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>>161876552
>holopsicon built into her to tap into the powers derivated from her fanart.
The holopsicon isn't needed, it is just how Altair uses her power in the derivative works.

>>161876399
Miku would never ally with a character like Altair, the general character representation of Miku isn't evil. She is more or less the queen of Otaku culture, and also doesn't have any reason to hold strong resentment against the world.

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>>161874144

Power man could take her down easily

The way a powerlevel character interacts with her is undetermined but Altair's impact on a character can be determined without relying on a creator's input or a canon. So yes, Altair can literally beat anyone.

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>>161874144
But he's Stronger.

>>161877048

We never saw Altair interact with any conceptual-level character. Some characters have powers which would protect their plot significance or otherwise protect their state.

There are also characters who are living stories -in their story- so they could warp and fuck around with Holopsicon effects in fun ways.

>>161874144
Altair has the sexiest creamy pale thighs. Too bad we hardly ever get a chance to see them!

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>>161874144

"Holoscopion" huh?

>>161877097
The thing is we don't need to see. If someone with an adequate understanding of how those characters you mention work has a story written for that she gets everything she needs to compete.

>Re:Creatorfags are now powerlevelfags
oh lawd i'm dying, i can't wait for when Dies Irae starts its anime and proceeds to shit all over all powerlevel discussion hard.

>>161877048
Altair is still based on the creations of her fans, theoretically even her character should be affected by the derivative works.
We don't even know if Altair can react fast enough to stop a high powerlevel character, she also seems to be more of a niche character (the goverment needed a long time to discover her).

She is more or less a shitty niche OC, she would get wrecked by all the meme characters who have a fanbase with more autism than her fanbase.

>>161876426
Bill Wilson is the first creation to start bleeding into the real world. I mean, remember the les baines? Bill is like her Dad, he'd just ask her to stop and if getting scolded was part of her plan.

>>161877238
>the goverment needed a long time to discover her
This is wrong though. They found her the day they started looking for her after getting a detailed description.

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Wouldn't any character that uses meta-narrative bullshit be able to compete with her?

>>161877365
Hime is meta meta.

>>161877363
>a detailed description.
It was discovered by the fat mech writer and not one of the Otaku authors knew her.
If she was an popular OC, every Otaku would realize who she is.

As long as your character comes from a VN/LN/Manga/Comic/Anime/Novel/Written and Produced by group of people. you lose

>>161875878
>timekiller
>dude just comes back

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>>161875878
>Literally got jobbed out of existence.

>>161877430
Altair also comes from an Anime written and produced by a group of people. She's not special. Hell she can't even survive the destruction of her own universe.

>>161877427
Fat mech writer was the one who saw her. And he recognized her from before, too. Which means he saw her video before it all began. The rest were looking for characters in military uniforms, and even if they spotted her they wouldn't know if she was the one.

>>161877430
lol shes honestly weak as fuck since she has human tier reaction times, She would be like one of those low tier baddies you'd see in Chinkshit Wuxia's/Xianxias since those fucks legitimately wank their bullshit too multiversal can shatter entire universes with the concept of sword dao retardation and other such massive supreme bullshit. Even among Jap shit theres much better because like i said her reaction time is terrible shit comparatively, anyone who can reach any amount of actual decent mach whatever the fuck speed can one shot her ass without trying,

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How about...instead of trying to kill Altair.

We Bargain

>>161874144
Shiki can kill her.
Discuss.

>>161877593
So who wrote Pepe's backstory and plot?

>>161877503
>dude uses hax more potent than altairs
fixed

>>161874144
She maybe can defeat anyone but literally not Goku. The fandom lives on powerlevel. Her defeating Goku would not be accepted and thus rejecting her power. She can do anything she want but she cannot win. The fandom won't allow it.

>>161877596
>white hair
>twin tails
>military uniform
Go to your favorite Booru, and you will find Altair on one of the first pages, and she is a unpopular character in reality.

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>>161877678
If that's the case, and this is Japan. I'd like to see her try and kill like pic related..


Or wait. Wouldn't Masamune be a hard counter to her?

>>161877600
lol <INSERT AUTHOR HERE OF YOUR CHARACTER HERE> honestly weak as fuck since she has human tier reaction times

>>161877727
point i'm trying to make is perhaps if your character is like the ones in Re:Creators where all they do is talk a metric fuckload allowing ms bullshit to actually get to sit around and do shit, but fucking anyone worth half a shit would off her ass before jack shit went down since shes ultimately slow as almighty fuck.

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>>161877691
I don't get why you are arguing with me when they run those exact details and find who she is on the same day.

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This guy could probably beat her, along with the Bakuman Guys.

>>161877765
What you are seeing in the anime is just one of many versions of her
>>161877789
she can asspull her way in depending on situation.

>>161875878
I need healing

>>161877795
>Creations that are also Creators.

Yup. This is why Setsuna is going to be the one that kills the Altair.

>>161877789
It was still made a plot point that they didn't know her and needed to search for her.
It was something for which Souta felt bad, and the entire thing could have been resolved in 2 minutes with Meteora looking at a screen.

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>>161876957

>>161876915
exalted characters are pretty much anime charcters anyway

>>161877857
Even if they did know her, which fatty did, did recognize her from before Rui burst out of the television screen, they wouldn't be so sure unless they either got fatty's or the main trio's confirmation.That was my point. They reach to a result the day they start doing something about finding out Altair's identity.

I'm glad that /a/ collectively agrees that Altair is the strongest.

>>161878211

Are you kidding? Altair barely qualifies at the bare minimum for even appearing in powerlevel threads. She is far from the strongest.

>>161878263
Go away /v/, /a/ already decided that Altair is the strongest.

Holopsicon is a a behemoth, I wonder why nobody came up with it before.

>>161876426
If I pull that hat off, would you die?

>>161877616
>Setsuna I've come to bargain
>don't kill yourself or I'll destroy the world
VROOOOOOOM
>Setsuna I've come to bargain
>please don't make me watch that again
VROOOOOOOM

>>161877859
I can't believe that Powerman is dead.

>>161876549
No but she rewrite the story of her own existance. Even the world she resides in she could change the story of I see little reason why she couldn't for a different world

>>161878490
This is literally Altair's power.

>>161878671
One of Altair's powers* That's how OP she is.

>>161877616
Bane, I've come to bargain.

>>161876548
underrated

>>161874144

I am so fucking sick of this bitch and her stupid hat

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>>161878878
>having shit taste

>>161878671
Altairs power it to rewrite the existence of other characters. She herself depends on her fanart.
Altair's power is more or less reality bending but she is still limited by what is seen as acceptable, and the world will kick her out if she uses too much power.
She was nearly defeated by a copy, and only remained because she was more accepted than Sirius.
This would mean it's always her loss against every real meme character.
In the end she is a secondary meme character who never got proper fanart in reality.
You could even call her a cheap rip-off, maybe all the Setsuna haters were right.

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>>161874144
probably Ajimu, Fresh and Medaka too

>>161877678
Just imagine if she fights Goku.
>she isn't fast enough
>can she blow up a planet?
>SSG is a god
>pixel measurement
>nope Goku wins because Goku is the strongest

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did somebody make an edit of this with Altair and Aliceteria yet

>>161878951
isn't Nienami Style basically USO NO USO?

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Where does Sirius stand though. She defeated and absorbed Altair, only to be hijacked by her. Is the new costume princess stronger than the old costume princess? What does strength even mean when there is nothing that can beat you other than yourself but optimized to use every tool to defeat you, and lost to you on top of it?

>>161879054
Think about it anon. The new costume is easier to draw so Altair is going to be featuring heavily in the next episodes.

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>>161874144
Hi. This is Quiz. She has every power her opponent hasn't thought of yet.

>>161876915
This made me remember Mage: The Ascension.

>Roll a Virtual Adept
>Access the Crystal Palace
>Fuck Asuka from Evangelion
>Drink with Wolverine from Marvel
>Chill in Prontera from RO

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Check this out, you motherfuckers know what time it is? I don't know why I'm even on this thread.

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>>161879189
Y'all niggas ain't even on my level
I'ma let my little homie ride
On you bitch-made ass powerlevel bitches, feel it!

>>161879162
Good think Altair doesnt have the ability to redirect her paradox to others like certain mages do.

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>>161874144
Sure.

>>161879241
I just submitted my artwork of altair having that ability on pixiv. Checkmate.

>>161879241

Holopsicon, 26th Movement of the Cosmos: Elder Diadem.

>>161879293
Welp. Best girl just won.

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>>161874144
Sigh, every time with this shit.

We've been through this before.
Demonbane wins. Demonbane always wins.
No, your cool new character isn't better than Demonbane.

>>161879493
Demonbane lost to Powerman and Powerman lost to Altair.

>>161879493
But can demonbane beat Stick? Didn't think so

>>161879493
I just submitted my artwork of Altair beating the shit out of Demonbane just like how she sliced off Gigas Arm on pixiv. Checkmate.

>>161877048
She literally loses against any powerlevel meme character with a established fanbase.

>>161877665
Pepe would beat her because his meme power>her memepower.

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>>161879512
Powerman is excluded from powerlevel discussions.
>Powerman lost to Altair
That's just wrong.

>>161879713
I guess it not about powerlevels anymore, its about ACCEPTANCE Powerlevels

>>161879493
Demonbane is a weapon, not a character.

>>161879693
Demonbane's fanbase is more autistic than Hime's so no, she doesn't.

>>161874374
It's funny, because he doesn't have a fighting power level, he has the power of the author. Even worse more so, since the author himself is afraid of backlash from fans he creates a character that can erase all of his characters and toriyama can say "he did it"

>>161879785
But Demonbane isn't powered by memes, the real author still holds the rights to nerf demonbane not the fanbase.

>>161879512
Oh to be so wrong

>>161879810
Hime is powered by fanbase approval, Demonbane autists won't approve of her doing shit to it, she gets fucked in the ass.

>>161879785
That's literally not how it works. Nothing in Demonbane's canon says he can beat hime any more than he can beat other threats. Hime's canon now clearly shows that demonbane cannot affect her and she can slice of his arms with ease. Hime is like a court case except every witness she calls the jury accept as 100% irrefutable evidence. As long as someone says she did or didn't do something the case rules in her favour. Further she can pick and choose canon (or witnesses to continue the analogy) because of hopscotch. You literally cannot win.

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Stan Lee will buy the rights to Altair, pretend like he came up with her and have his lawyers send cease and desist letters to her autistic fanbase and Setsuna's estate.

Stan the Man always wins.

>>161879867
>Hime is powered by fanbase approval
FUCK OFF SPEED-WATCHER. There were like 2 hours, literally 2+ hours of dialogue dedicated to explaining the mechanics of re:creators. How can you fuck this up. My GOD.

>>161879693
Again, it literally doesn't matter. You don't understand the power of the Shining Trapezohedron and shitty writing.

There is a Demonbane powered by fanfiction of Altair
There is a Demonbane made out of Altairs.
There is a Demonbane made out of Altairs that is powered by Altair fanfiction. Piloted by Saitama
There is a Demonbane from a universe where Demonbane is absolutely and undeniably stronger than Altair. Piloted by Yukari Yakumo.
There is a Demonbane made out of Bobobos and Featherines from a universe where Demonbane is absolutely and undeniably stronger than Altair. Co-piloted by Droopy and Popeye.
And many, many more Demonbanes.

All these Demonbanes and every other Demonbane that exists, can possibly exist or is impossible to even conceive can be invoked against your character endlessly until Demonbane wins.

Demonbane always wins.

>>161879888
Altair is so OP you have to buy her off

>>161879909
Except that Altair canonically beats demonbane, so it loses. Whoops.

>>161879909
>headcanons

>>161874144
Hilarious.

>>161879909
again, demonbane is just a weapon, not a character.

Hello, is this anime worth watching -solely- for Altair? I really like her character design, but I couldn't care less for anyone else.

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>>161874144
>>161874144

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>demon bane is the avatar of justice
>it exists as a righteous force across every possible and impossible multiverse
But justice is a spook and doesn't exist so Demonbane will disappear right?
>fuck you, go demonbane!
USO no
S
O

>>161879810
>>161879868
The power of Demonbane isn't fiction, it's both reality and unreality. To piggyback on your analogy, if Altair can convince the jury 100% of the time, Demonbane is the courtroom, the judge, the jury, the witness, the prosecutor, the defense, the policeman and even Altair herself, all at the same time, forever and always.

>>161879934
There's a Demonbane from a universe where he canonically beats Altair, so she loses.
>>161879942
Nope, this is the unparalleled fuckery of the Demonbane canon. Is it bad writing? Sure is. But it's still canon.

Even if other canons explicitly state that Demonbane loses, he still wins. That's Demonbane.

>>161879888
>So I was smoking a J with this suicidal Japanese girl and I told her, you know what would be cool? A hime type in a military uniform and lots of sabers. So I basically own 50% of Altair. But since that slanty jumped in front of a train, I have full creative control now. First of, lets put her in a crossover with She-Hulk to boost her sales. Because I don't think the concept has wings otherwise.

>>161880059
>There's a Demonbane from a universe where he canonically beats Altair, so she loses
Altair decides what is and isn't canon, both to her and others.

>demon bane isn't fiction
Neither is hime. She is a creation and her rules govern all existence. She is the weaver of her own story and edits others. To continue the analogy she can bar demonbane from entering the court room and have him arrested for contempt of court.

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Nothing personnel, kid.

>>161874144
Babies first anime.

I miss the OBD.

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>>161879909
Altair's ability to trigger powerlevelfags never cease to amaze me.

>>161880095
I think you missed the part where Demonbane IS the courtroom and the cop.

Demonbane can summon Demonbanes that don't even exist. Demonbane overrides canon. Even if your character makes it so that Demonbane always loses, DEMONBANE STILL WINS exactly through the sheer IMPOSSIBILITY (yes, that's what I typed) of Demonbane ever winning.
Look, I know it's hard to swallow, I used to be a Yukarifag, then a Featherinefag, thinking their powers are abstract enough to beat Demonbane. They aren't. Once you realise the power of Elder God Demonbane and the Shining Trapezohedron, you eventually come to terms with the whole absurdity of it all.

>>161874144
someone knows the indian god kevalam is the god of all just forget altair to beat it

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>>161880051
Nope, she's a got very little screentime apart from the finale.
She's also a crap tier character only liked by morons.

>>161880275
Faggots getting triggered that Demonbane beats their new favorite character never cease to amaze me.

>>161880326
I'm not the one with the 500 word essay here.

>>161880340
It's just a reasonable explanation to counter ridiculous claims.

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Undiagnosed Autism: The Thread.

>>161880298
Impossibility is still defined by a set of constants i.e things beyond demonbane's control which it makes real. Altiar controls those constants. Demonbane loses.

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>>161880400
>undiagnosed

>>161880414
No no, you got it all wrong. Demonbane operates beyond any set of constants. An infinitude of Demonbanes that are summoned do not adhere to any set of constants. They do not have to be and are not real in any sense of the word. This is what "Demonbane summons Demonbanes that are impossible to exist" means. Demonbane does not need to be in control of reality, Demonbane is ABOVE reality and what makes reality what it is.

>>161880611
Holopsicon

>>161880611
Holopsicon, the First Movement of the Cosmos: Reality Reinforcement.

>>161880720
I think that would hurt altair too. The universe doesn't like her existence.

Reminder that Demonbane got erased from existence and then came back because it felt like it.
Reminder that Demonbane is a figment of Azathoth's imagination, and that it killed Azathoth causing the entire expanded Nitro+ Omniverse to wither, and that this was not the strongest version of Demonbane.

>>161880799
Reminder that holopsicon

>>161880631
>Holopsicon
There is not a 1:1 correspondence between things the Holopsicon can achieve and Demonbanes that are summoned.

There are always, ALWAYS more Demonbanes popping out of non-existence, whatever reality Holopsicon brings Demonbane to, no matter how much Holopsicon forces Demonbane out of existence. There is a Demonbane made out of the concept of unreality. There is a Demonbane made out of nothing. There is a Demonbane made out of the concept of Demonbane losing to Altair. There is a Demonbane made out of the concept of losing powerlevel arguments on the internet.

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>>161880841
Holopsicon

>>161877678
Maybe not physically but if she use the thing she used against alice, people will accept that goku is stupid and would kill himself.

>>161880611
The simple fact that you called it impossible means that it aknowledges a set standard which it alters. It can operate in the impossible which means that it understands and breaks out of possible impossible principles. Altair is beyond such trivialities. Demonbane loses.

>>161880815
>>161880865
Shining Trapezohedron

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>>161874144
Whatever the holopsicon is, Kissshot would shit on her with the Kokorowatari.
She's Altair is an oddity and thus a snack for best vampire.

>>161877678
>The fandom lives on powerlevel
No it doesn't. Their existence relies on fans. There powers rely on canon.

>>161880897
Sorry it's not part of the plot anymore therefore not canon

>>161880925
Not like the D needs it.

I'm literally retarded, can somebody explain to me how exactly Sharks powers work?

>>161880936
Congrats you erased the demonbane franchise

>>161880874
Silly anon. Goku can regenerate in SSG. He also can become a ghost even if he's dead. Meaning not dead. She can't win anon. That's because I said so.

You could always find the author in the meta world and force him to nerf Demonbane so Altair can beat him.

>>161880964
Uso no uso makes you not literally retarded.

>>161880965
Good thing Demonbane is beyond the entirety of Nitro+ canon.

>>161880964
She lies to you about something, if you deny it it happens. It has some complicated limitations the show hasn't touched on much which I'm not sure of but it is not a wish granting machine

>>161880999
Because nitro+ said so, you wouldn't be saying that if they didn't

>>161880904
>>161880897
Hopscotch is the axis of existence through which life, death and all else flow. It can bring things in and out of existence alter concepts, physicality, causalities and exists beyond multiverse limitations.
The only way to beat hopscotch is for the world to stop believing in hime. This however could be altered by hopscotch as it allows the user to see the intent of others and she could just stop it happening. Even if it did happen she can will back into existence because she has existed and as such the hopscotch will re:create(rs)™ her from nothing and she will just retcon you changing anything.
If you create another Hime she will subsume it and integrate into it. As long as she decides to exist she will always exist and forever be infaliable. The only one who could possibly beat her is G O D O F I N K who would fuck Demonbane without even thinking about it.

>>161881030
Janitor-tier for the Outer Gods.

>>161880964
>>161881008
Here's the rules as I understand them.
Shark makes a assertion
A victim must deny that assertion
Shark uses her powers to make the refutation into a lie
The laws of the universe dictate that if a refutation is false then the assertion must be true
>USO NO USO
"A lie within a lie folds in on itself" her assertion is now a universal truth.

>>161880994
She doesn't need authors, mate. She's been trying to make the stakes reasonable and the show interesting but she nerfed the strongest creation without trying because she didn't think the character fit the tone of her story. She has complete control over all of that shit and as such demonbane. She could nerf him on her own or erase the concept or alter the source material manually.
The only reason there'd even be a fight is if Hime wanted to put on a show

>>161881119
Literally not even as strong as Nya.

>>161879888
What do you expect of members of the tribe.

>>161880072
underrated

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>>161880865
Athleta Aeternum

>>161881023
Yeah, he would.
Even if that anon didn't, even if noone ever did, Demonbane still wins.

>>161877430
This, honestly.

I recently read a Chinese Wuxia where the main character literally becomes omnipotent and creates a multiverse in "the time it takes an incense stick to burn" by studying the Dao.

Chinese MCs are fucking broken Mary Sues.

>>161880890
Here's the thing, Demonbane not only operates beyond what's possible, not only operates beyond what is impossible, but also operates beyond everything and anything in between. Demonbane operates beyond things that are both possible and impossible, beyond things that are both true and false.

Something (or even nothing) that is possible, impossible, in a quantum superposition between possible and impossible ALL at the same time is still only a fraction of the Demonbanes that are summoned.

When you say "Demonbane loses", Demonbane becomes the "loses" part. When you say "NO", there's a Demonbane made out of that "NO". There's a Demonbane made out of Holopsicons. There's a Demonbane made out of Holopsicons, piloted by Altair. There's a Demonbane made out of Holopsicons, piloted by Altair that DEFEATED the previous Demonbane. There's yet another Demonbane that defeated that one as well. There's a reality created by Holopsicon where Demonbane loses and Demonbane still wins.

>>161881513
Holopsicon

>>161881525
Shining Trapezohedron

>>161881308

A.Nitro+ retcons the story and nerfed Demonbane.
B.A random anon saying Demonbane is Pepe's son

Which would you believe?

>>161881559
Demonbane is already canonically the son of someone named Pepe in some incarnation.

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Can we at least agree that DOCTAH WESTO is a bro-tier character?

>>161881559
>Nitro+ retcons the story and nerfed Demonbane.

Demonbane doesn't care. There's a universe where Demonbane was never nerfed and an infinity of Demonbanes can emerge from that universe.

What we got here is bad writing. You can't reason with it. You can't deny it anymore. It obligatory IS so. Even if I stop arguing for it, it is so. Even if you wish for the opposite, there is no point. Even if Demonbane factually loses, Demonbane still wins.

I don't even like Demonbane or anything by Nitro+, but it's a prime example of how pointless powerlevel discussions across different fictions are. Here we got a character that is the strongest, not by claim of author, but by brute-forcing his way through claims, like a giant's shlong through a fairy's vagina.

>>161881712
Altair doesn't care. Demonbane can't touch Altair like Demonbane can't touch us.

>>161881559
>nerfed
You mean making it even more bullshit by creating the "Vortex Blaster" that could destroy Azathoth and the other gods with one single attack ?

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So we all agree that Altair would destroy Demonbane, who's next?

>>161881712
>there's a universe where demonbane was never nerfed
Not if Altiar alters the canon. Sorry f/a/m

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>>161881855

>>161881855
>>161881890
>Literally ignoring what every single demonbanefag said.

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>>161881712
Altair is even more infinite.

>>161881958
No offence but we really don't have time to talk about scrubs like Demonbane, it's like you trying to convince me that Hornswoggle can beat Stone Cold Steve Austin.

>>161882006
Altair's infinite is literally just in it's infancy.
Considering the time of their writing Demonbane has already reached way further beyond.
Once the obligatory asspull necessary to defeat Altair is revealed, you'll also realize that they would lose to half the thread in the first place.

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Leave Altair to me.

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>>161874144

>>161874144
Queen of asspulls*

>>161882065
But its still a VN/Anime, correct?

I miss when the most powerful being is something with an imposing and almighty presence like Lord Of Nightmare, not some faggot with God power like Altair.

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>>161874144
OP you can't be serious

>>161881379
Could Altair beat the power of the D ?
now i kinda want a mindbreak doujin of Altair

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*blocks your path*

>>161882156
A VN/Anime that established their powerlevel not being able to be retconned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gWLZyy5UYA

The very essence of Demonbane is stronger then Altair on a meta level.

>>161881958
>ignoring what Re:creator acedemics say
There's no such thing as a demonbane in a universe where he isn't nerfed because Altiar changed the canon. It's literally that fucking easy. Demonbane exists multiversally because that is its canon. Altair alters that canon. Meta>multiversal
Sorry, guy

>>161882006
There is a Demonbane made out of Altairs.
>>161882024
There is a universe where Hornswoggle has beat Steve Austin, the Rock and John Cena in a 1v3 match. There's a Demonbane from this universe, that's made out of those Hornswoggles and harnesses the power of the Holopsicon.

For every claim Altair makes, there's both a Demonbane and a Demonbane wearing red sneakers.

There's a Demonbane piloted by Altair that seduces Altair into submission.

There's a Demonbane rewriting existence from scratch every time Altair attempts to use her power. This creates an endless loop, from which another Demonbane emerges.

There's a Demonbane that, using the Holopsicon, claims that "Altair is always powerless", with a second Demonbane denying that claim in a fit of rage, thus making it true.

There's a Demonbane with a Holopsicon claiming "Demonbane wins".

>>161882209
She cant, no level of bullshit can beat the cock

>>161882301
>There is a Demonbane made out of Altairs.
There is not a Demonbane made out of Altairs. Altair doesn't exist within the fiction Demonbane is in.

>>161882301
Now you're just grasping at straws, jog on.

>>161882195
>some bullshit power kills Altair
>she can just basically GER and say that it never happened and that the person who hit her doesn't have powers
>they can't do anything
Arguing is a little pathetic, tb/h/. If you know her powerset then it's pretty cut and dry that she wins.

>>161882278
So it is a VN/Anime, therefore Altair wins

>>161882065
She's going to lose to GOD OF INK, which is fair because she was never fighting Soda and Soda is scary powerful even if easily harmed.

>>161882300
Nope, Demonbane exists multiversally because he exists multiversally. Demonbane exists by not existing. Deminbane exists despite the canon, not because of it.

>>161882278
>just retcon that it can't be retconned
GG demonlame

>>161882301
Other things with a hopscotch are integrated into hime, meaning hime is now infects all demonbane. Hime wins.

Demonbanefags on suicide watch.

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The true powerlevel discussion queen will probably end up being Sirius, since she has no personality and no weaknesses other than Altair herself.

>the real winner of Demonbane vs Altair is Kurou's massive dong

>>161882446
She lost via technicality.

>>161882319
>>161882332
See, you still can't comprehend the concept of "Elder God Demonbane can summon an army of infinite Demonbanes from any universe, timeline, and even ones that don't even exist." You read it, but you can't wrap your heads around it.

>There is not a Demonbane made out of Altairs.
There IS a Demonbane made out of Altairs, even if there ISN'T a Demonbane made out of Altairs.

There is a Demonbane made out of those straws I'm grasping, it's still powerful enough to defeat Altair.

>>161882446
Sirius is a recolour altiar and had access to hopscotch. As such she was rewritten by hime, the one true owner of hopscotch. The same thing would happen to demonbane

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>>161882170
I'd say D is pretty imposing when that fucker finally appears, although it's only three pages of it appearing and it being PISSED
>>161882456
Women can never top powerlevel rankings as they can never defeat the D.

>>161882469
>you read it, but you can't wrap your heads around it
I could say the same thing in response to the fact that you can't comprehend that if Altiar says that there isn't, there isn't. Altiar wins.

Holy shit. Ever since Hiroe's asspull of a show especially the latest ep these Altairfags have been shitposting nonstop.

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>>161874144

Can't wait until this place gets introduced to Hajun memery, your heads will fry.

>>161882469
When you were playing the VN who is in control?Who programmed it?Who's pressed the buttons on the keyboard?Is it you or Demonbane?

>Demonbane still wins lol because I pressed a button on the keyboard that showed a wall of text showing he is omnipotent

>>161882521
>have been spreading the good word
ftfy
Besides, it's true. She could/can/would beat demonabane

>>161882532
Saitama is almost entirely 'plot' based. His power is whatever level it needs to be to win. Altair wins easier than ever because she is the plot.

>>161882555
>shitposting
ftfy

Altair is powerlevelfaggotry incarnate. Setsuna you genius

>>161882548
>Altair still wins lol because I pressed a button on the keyboard that showed a clip of the show saying she is omnipotent
Nice argument, very sound.

>>161882504
What Demonbane is overrides what Altair claims Demonbane is. When Altair says that there isn't and there isn't, Demonbane still is.

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>>161882585
>This thread

>>161882572
This whole thread is a bunch of grade school kids yelling "nuh uh, my dad can beat your dad".

>>161882588
Exactly.

>>161882548
I'll blow your mind: I have never played the VN. Demonbane still wins.

>>161882619
I wish Altair was my dad.

>>161882617
Don't expose my cute cat to this autism please.

>>161882521
Most hilarious part about it is that all they respond to Demonbane with is just "M-muh Hopscotch".

>>161882619
Typical 4chan faggotry, then.

>>161882619
Powerlevelfaggotry in it's essence right there. I'm just joining in and having some fun with it myself.

>>161882604
What Demonbane is only exists as long as Altair permits it. She controls the canon, what is, isn't had been and can never be. She is the story. Demonbane is a figment of Azathoth who is but a spec of axis of his multiverse which is but a chapter of its genre which is but a joke of its medium which is under the complete control of hopscotch. Hime wins

>>161882666
Most hilarious part about it is that all they respond to Altair with is just "M-muh O MY POWERFUL EROGE GAME".

>>161881008
>>161881076
So if you go "yeah whatever you crazy bitch" does her power not work?

And that also means that you can't say "I am going to fuck you" to create a paradox that forces her power into making you fuck her? Damn, there goes that doujin idea.

>>161882717
>>161882666
>"nuh uh, my dad can beat your dad".
>"nuh uh, my dad can beat your dad".
Ad nauseam

>>161882717
>EROGE GAME
Altairfags lol

Altair is cute!

>>161882717
Neither of you chucklefucks is better, you're both just as stupid, there are no winners here, only manchildren.

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Are we making Altair even more powerful by comparing her to the strongest power-wank characters?

>>161882753
>there are no winners here, only manchildren.
WELCOME TO 4CHAN

>>161882743
>"nuh uh, my Altair can beat your Demonbane".
>"nuh uh, my Demonbane can beat your Altair".
maesuan dA

>>161882743
Except the Demonbanefag's dad is a bum while Altairfag's dad is a MMA fighter.

>>161882619
4chan is the lowest tier when it comes to vs debating now that Moviecodex is dead.

Even plebbit has higher standards, because they require feats to be posted.

>>161882729
If you say yeah whatever it counts as a denial and it triggers. You just don't directly respond to the assertion or, in theory, answer with a question that doesn't suggest she is right or wrong (but implies it if you still want to talk with her).
Also she chooses what to turn into a lie retroactively. You can't cheat her because she'd never activate it.
In terms of raw reality bending fuckery Shark is top tier. The issue is you can just shoot her without saying a word.

>>161882792
>hurr durr
Yeah, no. Both sides are dumb as fuck and all off you are acting like children.

>>161882713
What Demonbane is only exists as long as Altair permits it AND ALSO exists if Altair forbids it. She controls the canon, what is, isn't had been and can never be and Demonbane is beyond what is, isn't, had been and can never be. She is the story, Demonbane is beyond the story. Demonbane is a figment of Azathoth who is but a spec of axis of his multiverse which is but a chapter of its genre which is but a joke of its medium which is under the complete control of hopscotch, which in turn is under the complete control of a Demonbane made out of hopscotch. Demonbane wins even when Hime wins

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>>161882792
>MMA fighter

>>161882770
Yes. Our posts are considered canon. She can choose to add them to her powerset as she likes.

>>161882770
Yes and no. By comparing her with the strongest power-wank characters we're probably making them ridiculously overpowered, but at the same time we're exploring the exact limits of that overpoweredness.

In truth I think Demonbane VS Altair would result in a long as hell stalemate until they unleash Athleta Aeternum and their infinite copies, only winning through numbers.

>>161882831
Connor would have beaten Floyd in a street fight.

>>161882819
>"nuh uh, you're acting like a manchild ".
>"nuh uh, my dad can beat your da-".

If there is a Demonbane for every possible and impossible outcome, wouldn't that mean that EVERYTHING is an incarnation of Demonbane and that Demonbane always wins and loses because there is nothing that isn't a Demonbane?

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>>161882822
>AND ALSO
You are wrong.

>>161881605
>there will never be a Re:Creators special episode directed by Nabeshin with Altair getting btfo in every second of her appearences for trying to fight the director

>>161882859
Anyone could beat a boxer who built his fixed career on obtaining points rather than KOs outside of boxing.

>>161882886
Yes, which is why Demonbanefags are surprisingly correct in their assertion that Altair would lose, in truth it's just babby-tier Meta level shenanigans and Altairfags don't seem to understand that.

>>161882859
But he didn't, and what happened back there was a circus act by two clowns, not a real boxing match.

>>161882770
No matter how powerful she becomes, there is always a Demonbane that's stronger.

>>161882892
But you CAN, you just need money to pay for that and it gets added to Altair's power

>>161882770
We can dictate how Altair defeats demonbane since holopsicon permits us to decide how she interacts with demonbane's canon. It's the perfect tool for assassination.

>>161882910
Yes, which is why Altairfags are surprisingly correct in their assertion that Demonabane would lose, in truth it's just babby-tier Meta level shenanigans and Demonbanefags don't seem to understand that.

>>161882951
This, we're buffing up Altair as we speak.

>>161882951
Pretty succinct.

So the more we ""((discuss))"" the more Altair wins

>>161882929
What would happen if someone draw a doujin of altair getting gangraped by a bunch of bald old guys .?

>>161883001
I'm not sure what powers she would get from that but she can just choose not to use it.

>>161883001
It's added to her power she just chose not to.

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>>161882960
The moment Altairfags start simply copying posts and editting them to match their views without genuine thought Hopscotch would logically start breaking itself down btw.

>>161883026
This is going to be great

>>161882960
Of course it means Demonbane loses, but since its fighting a Demonbane made up of a bunch of other Demonbanes it still wins.
It's Demonbanes all the way down.

>>161883026
soon

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>>161883055
This cute girl can beat defeat Demongay with the power of ACCEPTANCE

>>161883111
It's hopscotch all the way up

>>161883026
So why did this bitch commit suicide anyways?
Because cyberbullying?
Honestly Altair has a boring generic design. It's literally a cross between boatsluts and miku.

>>161882888
What Demonbane is is both what Demonbane is, what Demonbane could be and what Demonbane is not.
>>161882886
Absolutely. You can replace every word in this entire thread with "Demonbane" and it's valid. That's the fuckery of Demonbane.

>>161874463
That physically hurt. Well done!

>>161883223
Demonbane is and only can be whatever Altair deigns acceptable. Sorry, fag.

>>161883223
And this the power of just one or a group of writers, Altair have all powers the writer/creators/any person could imagine.

>>161883255
Factually incorrect.

>>161883255
and since Altair is a version of Demonbane, Demonbane is the strongest.

>>161883275
Honestly this is the biggest problem with Altair, what happens once Altairs powers start inherently contradicting one another?

>>161878671
Featherine doesn't need a reason or acceptance from the audience, she can just write whatever she wants.

So what happens when Altair spawns demonbane outside of fiction? Does everything turn into demonbane?

>>161883428
Clusterfuck there will Demonbanes fucking Altair,Demonbanes that fuck themselves,Altair fucking Demonbanes and Altair fucking herself in a clusterfuck reality.

>>161882951
>>161882995
Since Demonbane summons Demonbanes that exist, but also ones that don't exist, there is a Demonbane that has Altair's power as it was in the beginning of this thread, a Demonbane that has Altair's power as it is right now, but there also is a possible Demonbane with Altair's power as it will be after this thread is deleted. This last Demonbane exists even if Altair has NOT achieved that kind of power yet. There are infinite untold Demonbanes that have Altair's power as it will be after a million powerlevel discussions, and infinite ones beyond that and so on.

Altair needs fiction to power up, Demonbane does not. Demonbane is beyond meta and yet not meta at all.

>>161883509
>after this thread is deleted
Even Demonbane isn't strong enough to make the mods do their job.

>Altair
>Powerful

Just start shit talking Setsuna near her and she'll go on a blind berserker rage that will make her easier to take out with another bullshit strong character

>>161883428
Altair will do to Demonbane what she did to Hikayu.

>Hiroe is making powerlevel threads even worse than before instead of continuing Black lagoon

>>161883308
Since all those who harness the hopscotch (which apparently demonbane does in one dimension or other) are integrated and controlled by hime, hime wins.

Also a fun fact we haven't mentioned is hime can mirror any concept but subservient to her. Meaning for every one of the infinite demonbanes there is an equal and opposite demonbane-like. Where demonbane is K Altair is K+1.

>>161874144
Thumbnail looks exactly like a dick showing through a uniform cutout.

>>161883509
And all of these comes from one or a group authors of nitro+, You can literally create yours and make a character specifically for beating Demonbane and nothings gonna stop it, all you need is the power of acceptance

>>161883275
>Altair have all powers the writer/creators/any person could imagine.

Demonbane has all the powers any writer/creator/person could NOT imagine. When -you- banish Demonbane from existing, then Demonbane, not any writer or creator or narrator or reality warper, wills itself back.

I can't even mention all possible incarnations of Demonbane. It is a self-contradiction.

>>161883323
Nothing unless she wants it too. She controls the narrative.

>>161883331
So can Altiar. You're misunderstanding the show. Only creations with sufficient acceptance can exist. Once that occurs all their powers are based on canon (which can be altered and integrated with acceptance).
Hime exists, and has the hopscotch (which is the nexus of reality basically) she needs nothing in terms of acceptance. Because she has no true story they can't even affect her canon unless she allows it. All she can do is expand.

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This thread went well, Altair has now been accepted into powerlevel threads. It's only a matter of time before she takes over completely.

>>161883509
Any demonbane with Altiar's power are Altiar, so really she's just gaining more power. For every iteration of demonbane that involves altair or hopscotch demonbane gives power to hime's side of the battle.

>>161883646
That includes a creator that wrote all things that he can't imagine and that includes you.

>>161883323
She can pick and choose which powers to use, I'm sure she already has powers that contradict each other considering its random sources.

>>161881914
>Setsuna got run over by a train

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>>161883663
She cant even control her emotions or defeat the power of lies. Meme girl not so smug after getting memed on

All you have to do is abuse her biggest weakness being Setsuna and you can shatter her like glass

>>161883646
Altair also wills herself back. Burned again. The only way to beat Altair is to be the GOD OF INK or to have a hopscotch and if you have a hopscotch they you're integrated into altiar. You can't beat her, only become her.
She is primacy made form

>>161883712
I haven't actually mentioned the things I can't imagine, nobody has, nobody will ever will.

>>161883795
Okay but gink is a Demonbane and therefore Demonbane wins

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>>161883795
>You cant beat altair

Are you sure? Because a lie about a lie turns out on itself

>>161874144
>ctrl+f batgod
>0 result
wew

Altair IS Demonbane.

Demonbane IS Altair.

What now?

But can Demonbane defeat GER?

There exists a Demonbane piloted by Setsuna.

>>161883853
I said that like 50 posts ago and it didn't stop shit.
>>161883861
Demonbane's Stand is GER:Requiem

>>161883840
>being a series traitor
Don't do it Magane. If you let Demonbane be altair then Demonbane beats you. As long as you own Soda who owns Setsuna who owns Altair you own Demonbane by proxy.

>>161883892
>Demonbane's Stand is GER:Requiem
Maybe in an alternate universe, but how does it summon it over?

>>161883663
But can she survive the destruction of her universe?

>>161874144
She isn't even above mountain level, feat wise. Her magic has never shown to be that strong.

>>161883937
The alternate universe version can summon itself over, it's Demonbane I don't have to explain shit.

>>161883840
We really don't know the extent of Magane's lying power, I doubt it's that strong otherwise she wouldn't be just a side villain character.

Demonbane wins because it has better songs.

>>161883968
So the question here is whether or not GER's ability is multi-universal

Is Demonbane at least fappable? How are the H scenes?

>>161883853
>Nitro+: We have a character that can beat you
>Random Anon: I have characters that can beat yours times infinty +1
>Random Anon 2: I too have characters that can beat yours times infinty +2
>Altair/Miku/Pepe can now use all their characters abilities.

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>>161883975
>because it has better songs
Well I guess we now know who the real winner is.

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can beat Altair.

>>161883988
If it was then GioGio should be in the post SO universe.

>>161883861
GER isn't unbeatable, man. There are set rules in JJBA.
Multversal power>Concept power>Universal power<Anti-concept power

D4C>GER>THE WORLD<TUSK

Did Altair's power really affect the real world in the series ?

>>161884016
https://exhentai.org/g/1000000/52e8cffd00/

>>161884157
It seems she could only use her true power in the bird cage or else the universe would force her out of existence.

>>161881076
>Shark uses her powers to make the refutation into a lie
I feel this part could have been more clear in the show, but otherwise that is basically my understanding.

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>>161883970
It reverses cause and effect. If she wills it then she could do whatever with it but that wouldn't be 'fun' so she'd rather watch everyone struggle to entertain her.

In the last episode she literally told acceptance to go fuck itself and made soda's fuck you to altair appear anyway with only a little lie power because she wanted to see Altair's broken face when her plans fell through.

The limiter here is that she'll only use her power to fuck with people or to do the equivalent of shitposting people offline but she can do whatever with it, she just doesnt want to and wont do it.

>>161876611
Mah nigga

>>161883840
Where were you when Magane's existence proved Demonbane won?

>>161884138
Is it confirmed by Araki that GER only affects its target in the same universe, or are you just pulling headcanon out of your ass?

How would GER enter erased time then, if it's literally removed from the universe?

>>161883975
How could altair beat this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRCZMJEzwFI

>>161884184
She is a weaksauce then.

>>161884045
He'd beat anyone in a street race, but not a fist fight.

>>161883970
It is that strong but she doesn't give a fuck. That's the whole point of her character. If you take the challenge away from someone what do they have left? Taking interest in the struggles and challenges of others.
Her whole angle is just a constant battle against boredom. Do you even listen to her?

>>161884206
I'm pretty sure entire Japan would be on alert if her powers were that widespread. She can't change her description and make herself into something she is not so the ability must have some boundaries.

>>161884303
>Do you even listen to her?
Why would I trust her? She could be bullshitting the entire time for all I care.

>>161884312
>Entire japan would be on alert

Entire japan is retarded.

>Hey this girl can make everything you deny real, dont fall for her provocations
>Yeah whatever
>Falls for it twice

A++

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>>161884270
>great theme
>/fa/ as fuck
>arms big, dick bigger
>great looking mech
>qt loli book wife
Why is he so perfect?