Just watched this, truly a 10/10.
It's so sad that this film alongside Mononoke Hime will never be topped.
I feel so stupid for taking so long to watch it.
>>161858451
great now read the manga
Manga is better
>>161858451
Spirited Away is better than both, though.
>miyazakishit
>good
Good one
>hippy shit
>will never be topped
Fucking 18 year olds
Kikis delivery is better as well desu senpai
>>161858451
I've always said Nausicaa is his best one. I'm glad someone thinks similarly to me
>>161858451
you're wrong, it's terrible, bottom 3 ghibli film, they could have just baited all the ohms to death centuries ago, then burned the poison forrest.
completely BS premise/situation
>>161858451
>truly a 10/10.
It's not even as good as the manga though.
>>161858451
It's great, manga is overrated for hipster cred
>>161858939
Porco Rosso is Miyazaki's magnum opus, this is a fact.
>>161859034
>manga is overrated
No it's not. Next thing you'll tell me Akira's manga is overrated for """hipster cred"""
They're both popular as shit you absolute retard.
>>161859079
I will tell you that next, actually.
>>161859050
Could Porco Rosso defeat Amuro?
>>161859050
K' mate, in a few days I'll watch it.
>>161859050
He has way too many good movies for me to pick a magnum opus. But maybe Totoro.
Laputa > Kiki > Buta > Chihiro > Totoro > Mononoke > Nausicaä > Howl
haven't watched Ponyo or Kaze tachinu
>>161859050
I don't get why so many people insist this. Good film but his least inventive.
>>161860069
>his least inventive
You just don't understand the mature nuances within the film. It's easily his most personal film.
you talk like youre from reddit or MAL OP. grow up a bit then come back here
>>161860088
Yeah I get that. Doesn't make it his best.
>>161859974
You've seen the good ones. After Spirited Away, Miyazaki gets progressively worse. Howl, Ponyo, and Kaze are genuinely boring and uninspired movies. Nausicaa and Totoro were his best to be honest. He peaked early.
>>161859974
Besides Totoro I pretty much agree with this, this is rare.
>>161858627
>hippy shit
>not Mononoke
u wut?
>>161860069
>muh inventive
Grow Up
>>161860333
He listed both MUH OHMS and Mononoke in the OP as the best movies.
>>161860069
>inventive
Jesus christ, not everything has to have magic and spiritual shit to be "good".
>>161859974
Kikis only saving grace is the bowtie, outside of that its a total blunder. Calling that a coming of age story is a complete joke.
Totoro is a massive joke as well. Atrocious writing and characters, uninspired visuals that take a bland setting and add a couple giant bunnies and a cat express.
Nausicaa has by far the most inspiring visuals Miyazaki has ever produced since they are actually pure fantasy. While Nausicaa is a shit movie in regards to writing, its by far his most visually impressive accomplishment. After that comes Spirited Away.
His best written work isThe Wind Rises, no matter what you cock sucking nigglets think of it. Jirou is a great character and Naoko is my wife. It might be visually bland, but its the first some in his career that he managed to write a compelling main cast.
>>161860536
I love how easy it is to tell when people have never watched any decent movies that weren't anime.
>>161860536
>The Wind Rises
It's garbage, no doubt. Porco Rosso was 100x better than this trash. To top it off, we have to hear Anno's terribad voice acting.
>>161860368
Imaginative inventiveness has always been a universal standard for quality in all arts, faggot.
>>161859974
It's actually
Mononoke > Buta > Laputa > power gap > Kiki > Nausicaa > Chihiro > Kaze tachinu > Totoro Howl > Ponyo
The order of Miyazaki's movies by quality is literally just their release order, starting with Nausicaa (not including his previous work). He's been getting slowly less interesting since Nausicaa.
>>161860590
What does "watching non anime movies" have to do with acknowledging that Miyazakis writing is bottom of the barrel tier?
>>161860501
>magic and spiritual
This is not what I mean. Being artistically inventive is to express your nuances in captivating and original fashion.
>>161860264
>>161860673
These guys get it.
>>161860731
>what does exposure to a medium have to do with appreciating it?
I don't know man, you tell me.
>>161860762
>Being artistically inventive is to express your nuances in captivating and original fashion.
Is this literally not the entire point of Porco Rosso though?
Porco's entire character (through backstory and present) is built on that exact premise.
>>161860806
I mean, even if we ignore the fact that I have very likely seen more actual movies than you have (since I am likely way older than you are), how does watching MORE suddenly turn something that is BAD into something that is GOOD? Do you really think that exposure to better material will suddenly make me think of Miyazakis works as well written? Whats the train of thought, here?
>>161860731
Miyazaki's mise-en-scene is rooted in the style of directors like Ingmar Bergman and Akira Kurosawa. If you're watching his early works without a simple understanding of cinematic language, you're not going to understand the subtlety of early Ghibli films. Totoro is one of the most beautifully constructed films ever made. The use of subdued sound editing and pastoral imagery, along with the juxtaposition of fantastic themes with Ghibli's hyper-realistic animation is incredibly effective and suggestive.
True patricians know Ponyo is his best and the fulfillment of everything he was trying to do in his whole career.
>>161861059
>True patricians
I think you mean literal children, as Miyazaki himself said Ponyo was really just for kids.
>>161861021
But that still basically says that the writing it shit. The only difference being that you claim that "writing wasnt required to transport the message".
>>161861086
Ponyo isn't a film made for children, it's a Child's Film.
>>161860897
>I mean, even if we ignore the fact that I have very likely seen more actual movies than you have (since I am likely way older than you are)
Yes, because everyone knows that the middle-aged are always automatically cultured and we'll exposed. You're a complete tool. Also, I'm 24, so if you're way older than me, and still shitposting in 4chan, you're probably a pathetic creep.
>>161860812
Yes, Porco's a good character. I don't think the film is the best because it's the most constrainedly archetypal though. I think Miyzaki is at his best when he expresses his themes and characters in more free-form creative fashion - and he is incredibly creative, also having the ability to make his images work with the nuance. The emotion and theme to the image becomes more memorable this way.
The really sad thing is we'll never get a proper adaptation of the Nausicaa manga. The OP movie was just the kiddie version of the first part of an incomplete story.
The full manga is a long, complex story with some very dark moments. It's like a teenage environmentalist Berserk.
>>161861195
Please, give me your critique of the writing in Totoro. It's an incredibly subtle story about a family finding healing after loss through the experience of the natural world, and the way children see that world through eyes full of wonder and mystery. The writing is one of the best parts.
>>161861021
Do you know of any free university level online resources or courses about film theory?
>>161861225
>automatically cultured
Was never implied.
>you're probably a pathetic creep
That one hit hard.
>>161861225
If you're 24 and on an image board instead of leddit and 9fag, people would probably find you to be more of a creep by normalfag standards. Treat wizards with respect, kid.
>>161861241
>it's the most constrainedly archetypal
Uh what? Please list the 'archetypes' in Porco Rosso that you think exist.
>>161861242
You never know anon,Anno still wants to make a sequel.
>>161861297
>give me your critique of the writing in Totoro
Cant specifically criticise what doesnt exist. Plot as well as character writing are paperthin and almost non-existent.
>the way children see that world through eyes full of wonder and mystery
This is not even related to the writing, its more related to the storyboard and the visualization of certain events. It involves no actual character written depth or dialogue. All you need is have a child act like a child. Worthwhile characterization looks fairly different.
I get it, you think that the beauty of trash like Kikis and Totoro lies in their subtly, but the bottomline is that they are feel-good movies made for families. They arent meant to proper dialogue, overarching storylines or anything that requires the direction to come up with a properly written script or a fleshed out cast of characters.
>>161861299
You don't need one. Francois Truffaut, Woody Allen, and Hideaki Anno all dropped out. Just watch tons of movies. I recommend starting with early Hollywood film noir, westerns, chanbara, and German expressionism. After that move into revisionist movements like New Hollywood and the Nouvelle vague.
>>161861332
You're not really a creep anon, I just don't like the implication that age has to do with cultural exposure.
>>161861554
But I want to look cool on the Internet by using cultured film snob vocab.
>>161861242
>It's like a teenage environmentalist Berserk.
That is the dumbest fucking thing written in this thread and is a middle finger to both manga.
>>161861506
There is more to writing than dialogue. Also, the dialogue in the film ranges from serviceable, to effective realism. The characters are great. Star Wars, Charlie Chaplin films, and Looney Tunes are all "feel good family films." That doesn't stop them from being genre defining masterpieces.
>>161861725
>star wars
>feel good familiy movies
>with plot and characters as thin as totoro or kikis
Not sure if you really to make that comparison.
>>161861725
>Looney Tunes
Famicom detected, please end yourself.
>>161861771
Not that guy but
>with plot and characters as thin as totoro or kikis
I'd argue even thinner.
>>161861816
You don't want to trigger the Looney Tunes autists.
>>161861771
The first two Star Wars films are the epitome modern Hollywood cinema. They have just enough edge to please people like you, while still being innocuous enough to appeal to Southern Baptists and soccer moms. If you don't think those are family films, try watching some Andrei Tarkovsky or Lars von Trier films. Then you'll really see what darkness film is capable of conveying.
>>161861975
I never said that they arent family feels. However, categorizing them as feel good seems a bit farfetched to me. In my book that implies little to no drama, close to what that Iyashikei genre stands for (and basically what Totoro and Kikis are). There is hardly any conflict or actual drama, its feelgood from start to finish. I wouldnt really consider Star Wars plot lines to be comparable to that.
>>161862090
Totoro has drama though. It has the underlying drama of the loss of a maternal figure and readjustment to life in a new local, and the overt drama of a supernatural experience and a child becoming lost in dangerous woods. Not all drama is "NO LUKE, I AM YOUR FATHER."
>>161862287
>It has the underlying drama of the loss of a maternal figure
Her mom didn't die you moron. Amazing how you go on about all the intricacies of the film and forget the most basic details.
>>161861816
>screencapping phoneposters
Disgusting
>>161862379
I never said she died. She is in the hospital with Tuberculosis. Although the film never explicitly stars that's why she's been hospitalized. Way to not read. If I had meant death, I would have said "death of a maternal figure," but the point stands that she is absent from their lives at the moment. I'm also done talking to you, because you're a fucking idiot.
>>161862287
>readjustment to life in a new local
No idea what movie you watched that there was no drama involved. There are no conflicts or misunderstandings, its just two kids moving into a new house with their father. Their daily lives are completely free from any form of negative emotion out of the usual 3 year old tantrum.
>lost in dangerous woods
Ahem, there was literally no implication that the world she was "lost" in was dangerous. In fact, the movie made it pretty clear that those creatures pose no threat whatsoever. If what youre referring to is Mei running away, well then thats not really related to any supernatural creature or "the woods".
>>161859050
Poco Rosso and Castle In The Sky are tied for my favourites.
>>161862465
>all this backpedaling
Way to prove your competency.
>I'm also done talking to you
Good, it's not often that braindead morons like you know when to shut up.
>>161860536
That's some garbage crtiques right there.
>>161859079
I agree that the Nausicaa manga is better but the Akira movie really is better than the manga.
>>161862774
Don't waste your time with that guy.
>>161862698
It's not really backpedaling if his point still stands 100% if you replace "loss of" with "hospitalization of". You still haven't refuted any of his points.
>>161862849
>the Akira movie really is better than the manga
Objectively incorrect!
>>161862862
>it's not really backpedaling if your replace one part of his statement with a completely different statement
I think you need to go back to Kindergarten before you decide to be a film critic.
>>161862862
>You still haven't refuted any of his points.
He had one point, and he backpedaled the fuck out of it.
>>161862955
>>161862923
>t. can't read/don't know what backpedaling means
The film is very much about a family dealing with the loss of a mother. You're just contrarian philistines.
>>161862923
Okay. Let's, as a thought experiment, assume he did in fact use the wrong word.
Now refute how the hospitalization of their mother isn't an underlying dramatic theme of the film. Not the structure of his argument, the logic behind it.
>>161862955
But even if he's wrong or misspoke (which is debatable) that doesn't say anything for the film itself. Only his argument. His argument doesn't define the film. Refute the point, not the semantics. If I say "the film is good because it had a spaceship in it" and you say "no you are wrong it didn't have a spaceship in it" that doesn't mean that you have magically become correct in your earlier criticism.
>>161863024
>>161863097
But no one's hand gets cut off by a lightsaber, so there's no drama.
>>161863016
>contrarian philistines
Well, and Marvel movies have mid 70s ratings on Metacritic. Guess acknowledging those as trash doesnt make me a contrarian since they are, right?
I've said it before and I'll say it again: You retards who keep pretending that Miyazaki is on par with directors like Welles, Hitchcock, or Fellini are delusional twats.
>>161863411
Who's pretending.
>>161863411
No one said that. Also, name-dropping Welles and Hitchcock pretty much secures that you are a giant fucking poser.
>>161863244
>looking at metacritic
You understand that those are based on amateur journalists and literal bloggers right? Film journals are the only worthwhile place to seek out critical consensus or opinion.
>>161863676
I dont think thats your call to make. The average Metacritic review is that of the average critic. You cant have it both ways and call others contrarian for questioning "Miyazakis acknowledged works" but call it ok for them to criticise "Marvels acknowledged cinematic universe". EIther people are contrarian for questioning acclaimed works or they arent.
>>161863508
>Also, name-dropping Welles and Hitchcock pretty much secures that you are a giant fucking poser.
Yeah, because name-dropping Kurosawa and Bergman makes you look so much more high-class.
Point is all of these directors shit all over Miyazaki in every way imaginable other than as painters and animators.
>>161863797
This is an awful attempt at logical entrapment. No one has mentioned Marvel other than you.
>>161863924
It's a good thing we're talking about animation then, genius.
>>161863244
I mentioned them for a specific reason, not to score faggot points like you. Miyazaki's use of natural scenery in-between scenes is a hallmark of Kurosawa's style. His use of child protagonists in esoteric settings is directly influenced by Bergman's work. You just picked the only directors you know so you could sounds smart, with no point of reference or prior engagement. Fucking idiot.
>>161863979
Kurosawa and Bergman aren't animators, genius.
>>161858451
This is Miyazaki's best film. Mononoke and Laputa are the other two top tier ones.
>>161864126
And no one said they were. Are you confused?
>>161864052
Meant for
>>161863924
>>161864052
REKT
>>161864145
>And no one said they were
Except for you twats bringing them up when talking about a director working in an entirely different medium and style of filmography.
>>161864052
>I mentioned them for a specific reason
Yes, to show off what you've learned spending a couple days on /tv/.
>Miyazaki's use of natural scenery in-between scenes is a hallmark of Kurosawa's style. His use of child protagonists in esoteric settings is directly influenced by Bergman's work.
So you take two vague aspects of their styles as a way of saying that Miyazaki is comparable to them because he does something similar? Are you going to tell me next that Miyazaki and Fellini are similar because of their "usage of surreal and whimsical imagery as metaphors" like the retard who runs the Ghibli Blog?
Miyazaki's techniques are nothing special and have been used by dozens of other anime directors to far more adventurous extents. His specialty is extremely well-animated family-pleasing films with lots of animation that no other person or studio in Japan has the money to make.
By bringing up two vastly superior and very different western directors to validate Miyazaki's alleged "superiority", you make yourself look like even more of a tryhard cocksucker.
>>161864210
Kind of sad how you can't even articulate your own opinion and have to rely on this dumbass to talk for you. As expected of a bandwagoning Miyazaki cocksucker.
>>161864515
>western
live action I meant to say
The only thing in Nausicaa keeping it from being perfect is the end of the manga.
The ending itself is perfectly fine but it stops so abruptly. After the turning point of the climax there's like six pages of wind-down before closing on a tiny panel of narration. Even a few more pages to reflect on the events would go a long way, or maybe cut out the narration completely in favor of a stronger closing scene.
Was Miyazaki just burnt out by that point?
>>161864589
>The only thing in Nausicaa keeping it from being perfect is the end of the manga.
The ending with the crypt was the only saving grace of the manga, which lost track of itself and its characters after the 3rd volume. Nausicaa is probably one of the most overrated manga of all time, filmed to the brim with poor paneling, characters who only exist to be plot devices and forgotten, and one of the worst mary sue MC's ever written.
>>161864515
I've literally never been on /TV/ in my life, and Kurosawa's influence on Miyazaki and Takahata is a widely discussed feature of the Ghibli style. Middle period Ghibli films we're clearly influenced by Bergman's Fanny and Alexander. I also don't know why you think I esteem his work as highly as theirs, I very much don't. I think Miyazaki is wildly inconsistent as a director. I also don't think he has made or been part of the production of a quality film since Spirited Away other than his minor involvement with Kaguya. He has still produced several films that easily stand among the greatest works of animation.
>>161864839
Here's an article for you before you ask me to back up my claims.
http://digitalcommons.kennesaw.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1163&context=jgi
>>161864839
>I also don't know why you think I esteem his work as highly as theirs, I very much don't. I think Miyazaki is wildly inconsistent as a director.
At least we can agree on this.
>He has still produced several films that easily stand among the greatest works of animation.
Because he had the financial and manpower means to pull them off with some very high-quality animation and good design work. Put him in any other anime studio nowadays outside of Ghibli and he wouldn't last a week in any position. Miyazaki's actual directing tends to be very bland and easy to mimic, which is why you get so many "Miyazaki knockoff" films like that one from Shinkai years ago.
If we had to compare Miyazaki to one live action director, the most obvious would be Spielberg. Lots of mass appeal, a director with his own thumbprint, and a very inconsistent directing career that happens to have some of the best films ever made.
I do think Miyazaki has made good movies, but the anime industry, as far as films go, is still a joke. When even Shinkai's Your Name is being compared to Spirited Away, you know that the bar for quality is not set very high.
>>161865133
>At least we can agree on this.
That was the only thing we disagreed on, when you jumped into the middle of an argument you weren't part of. Of course the anime industry is a joke in terms of film production. There are less than 100 even worth naming, if that.
>>161865312
One "good" anime a year is generous.
>>161861671
Prove it.
>>161864515
>Kurosawa
>Western
>>161858451
I would've enjoyed it a lot more had I not read the manga first.
Also Doroc emperor is the most entertaining villain ever. He's just having fun the whole time.
>>161864807
Check out this fag.
>>161867120
Check out this non-argument.
>>161858451
Nausicaa was what got me into anime when I was a teen. The fantasy-esque setting and that sweet soundtrack really hit home. I watched it on Toonami's Month of Miyazaki iirc. She was definitely one of my first crush's as a kid, badass and cute and that scene when she opens her shirt for the fox squirrel was A+.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGf_C42lEL4
>>161861242
>It's like a teenage environmentalist Berserk.
You're thinking of parasyte.
>>161858627
at least princess mononoke said that men weren't wrong
>>161869048
Has great nostalgia factor and plus it works well for the dystonia setting. Fucking love Joe Hisaishi.
https://youtu.be/B51bLBdUt3w?t=53
>>161869775
*dystopia setting
My bad.
>>161861021
I agree with what you're saying but holy shit that's pretentious as fuck
>>161870189
It's a /tv/ copy pasta of rick n morty or something.
>>161869775
It'll be a sad day when Joe Hisaishi passes that's for sure. He has such a great composition with instruments, I've never looked at movie or anime soundtracks the same way since. His pieces always seem to match the mood and setting just right.
>>161858451
Finally someone else understands it
Nausicaa and Mononoke Hime are the absolute best things Miyazaki has ever done in his entirely life,i dont think anything can top Nausicaa