Why did Araragi choose Senjougahara over Hanekawa? What is it

Senjougahara asked first.

>>161839559
Araragi is definitely the kind of guy to do that purely over something like this and no other reason. There are probably other ones, but he wouldn't need them

Better question is why even bother with anyone else when you have Bat?

>>161839559
/thread
hanekawa is a perfect example of what happens if you're not straight forward

Because Hanekawa is a creep who makes other people feel shameful by putting on a mask of perfection.

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Senjougahara is simply prettier than Hanekawa

>>161839513
Because Hanekawa doesn't have the guts

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This cat is evil incarnate

Senjougahara is the most willful of the heroines. Rather than Araragi choosing her, I'd say she basically nabbed him before the others could.

Cat will always be there as an emergency option. Crab is gone the second Kaiki calls and asks her to get over.

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>>161840455
>pick Hanekawa
>fuck two

Best outcome

>>161839513
because he put Hanekawa on too high a pedestal and visa versa for the relationship to work.
he needs someone as petty, capricious, and selfish as himself to have a balanced relationship

>>161839513
crab is a better poster and does not require much effort to maintain. all you have to do is say you love her and she will stick with you forever. mean while, he is playing house with his one and only treasure under everybody's noses. cat would never agree to that. she want a serious, monogamous relationship with him. even if rrrg wants to choose her, he could not fulfill her demand. i.e. to drop everybody else and stick only to me.

>>161840091
She "didn't" have the guts. She did did gain them and confess, but he was already dating crab.

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>>161839871

The ironic thing is that Gahara might argue with you over that, besides, you even see her with her hair down without glasses? Supermodel tier.

Did you not see how she said she was trying imitate Hanekawa's style on her date with Araragi in Hitagi Rendezvous? Coupled with the fact that SHE loves Cat too.

>>161839644

Didn't Araragi basically admit he was being a betamax in that commentary for Tsubasa Cat when Hanekawa grilled him on if he noticed her feelings? She pretty much cut him to the quick and this was proven to be actually false.

In fact, she actually took measures to spend more time with him before Gahara came along, they took that part out of the anime. Sure, she took the slower approach, but it wasn't all her fault either.

>>161840683
You don't get the joke

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>>161839665
>Because Hanekawa is a creep who makes other people feel shameful by putting on a mask of perfection.
So essentially, it's because Arararagi is a faggot.

>>161840537
I don't think you would like to fuck her in cat form.
Your dick would probably fall off

>>161839665

Quiet down there Oshino, even you admitted that thought was BS and her parents were actually scum who felt bad because they were actually bad people when Araragi pressured you on that.. You just mad Gaen-senpai dommed you in college and started having flashbacks when you met class rep-chan.

braided hair is the worst

if you're a girl and you braid your hair, know that every male thinks you're disgusting.

She is not a commie like cat.

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>>161840485
>Crab is gone the second Kaiki calls and asks her to get over.
or crab will call con instead. crab is obsessed collecting his calling card. she lost contact with him in hitagi end. in hana we saw monkey getting a new one.

(monkey called crab)
>senjougahara-sempai!
>what is it?
>we have not seen for some time now. I was hoping that we could get together like we used to be.
>you know i can't do that. i'm really busy with my studies at the university.
>too bad. i have something that you probably would want more than anything.
>i doubt it. what could it possibly be?
>you see. i have this small card here with ghost buster written on it.
>so what. why do i even want to have a card like that?
>well you see there is a name and a number written on it too.
>like i care about anyone who is a ghostbuster or a specialist. i don't want to get involved in the oddities you know.
>i know that but the name here starts with a "k" and ends with an "i" and has five letters on it.
>where do we meet and what time?
>i can't meet you righ... (she gets cut)
>do you want to die? i don't want to repeat again. where and what time?
>(gulp) sorry! here in my house at 3pm.
>good! it is 1pm now so i'll be there at 2pm.
>don't you have class right now.
>does it even compare to that card. you know me well enough to realize that.
>i know but i was just teasing you. i could just give you his number.
>shh! no, it has to be the card. and don't you dare tell or text me his number.
>alright. you got it. geez. why are you so obsesses with him anyway, you already have a boyfriend and araragi-sempai would be furious if he founds out.
>not if he does not know. besides, i've met with him without telling koyomi a lot of times already. it is not like i'm meeting him anyway. I'm just going to get his card from you. it is no big deal.
>I understand. but i would not cover for you if araragi-sempai starts asking.
>fine. see you later. bye!
>bye!
(monkey drops the call)

>>161840091
Ayyyy

>>161841048
Is this canon? Sounds believable.

>>161839632
some niggas like to be noah

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>>161840455
>This cat is evil incarnate
In the future, she might set up kaiki and crab again like she did in hitagi end. She said it herself. she left town so that crab have not choice but to call kaiki. Cat is really up to something. She definitely knows about the thing between kaiki and crab. She did it anyway even though she knows that rrrg will be furious if he learns about it (or was it her plan from the start). Evil indeed!

>every discussion on /a/ about anything inevitably ends up on cuckolding
Its like our version of Godwin's Law

>>161840803
the power of energy drain. bat and rrrg had that problem in the doujinshi. bat's energy drain went berserk.

>>161839632
Because has bat forever. Might as well taste some other fruit before he has to spend eternity with her.

Araragi rejected his love for Cat forever before he even met Senjougahara. Less than choosing Crab over Cat, it's more like his feelings for Cat are too complicated and hardcore for him to accept, him being the kind of beta that he is he doesn't really have the balls to admit to himself that he loves Hanekawa because of all those reasons Nisio gave us in Neko Kuro. If one wants to understand why Araragi isn't dating Hanekawa, you need to understand Neko Kuro. Easier said than done, though. He grants himself some indulgences now and again like sniffing the panties and hair he keeps stashed in his room, but otherwise it's straight-up denial.

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There must still be lingering radiation effects on the Japanese people since so many of them prefer plain jane Tsubasa over male cat.

>>161839513
Because he is stupid.

Crab asked first, and Koyomi was far too indebted to Cat after and during the events of Koyomi Vamp.

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Here is a subtle cat shirt I got on order at Sears printing.

>>161842126
Can someone please tell me how there can be two of them? I've seen the entire series but it doesn't make any sense and I've seen more of these pictures around.

>>161842162
Think Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde.

>>161842162
its symbolic

>>161841844
is being attacted to cat form gay?

>>161839513
dat bitch be too damn thirsty, major turnoff

Because Hitagi forced herself on him, at the end of Bake I thought that might not be case and they actually loved each other deeply, but as the series went on It became more and more clear that Araragi is a very easy guy, who would date any girl who asked him first and he doesn't even love Hitagi that much, or at least doesn't show it. This sucks because it makes seem like their relationship is purely for convenience sake.

>>161841088
No it's not, Gahara even fucking said she pretended to like Kaiki but /a/mouthbreathers are too retarded to understand that and so they keep perpetuating the lie that's CrabxCon.

Senjougahara breaks up a couple times with RRG and vice versa, but in the chronologically latest chapter she comes back to Japan to get together with RRG again and they live happily ever after unless a new chapter says otherwise.

>>161842271
If you mean degenerate child raping homosexual, then only if your sex is female.

I also want to add that being attracted to cat form is the best of both worlds because he can be a bro but you can still fuck because Tsubasas body is still 100% female. So have at it .

>>161842333
>Gahara even fucking said she pretended to like Kaiki
Because she is lying. To herself even. Don't you get the whole "this girl pretends every relationship is her first and she is 100% into it"
I don't think CrabxCon will ever happen even if she isn't with Araragi though. Mostly because Kaiki will never start it and Kaiki knows he isn't good for her. Similar to how Araragi isn't good to be around Nadeko.

Because megane girls are always shit.

>>161842385
I actually wish that she liked Kaiki, as he is a much better than Shitragi, but Hitagi end made clear she was just pretending. Maybe she has sympathy for him, but it isn't anything close to love.

>>161842333
is that you cuckgaragi?

>>161842466
>but Hitagi end made clear she was just pretending
I think you are completely wrong here.

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>tfw no neko gf to walk home gently

>>161839513
>Deneb, Altair, Vega
I sort of get it. Though it's ruined when Araragi became a scum and chase after other girls as well to pander waifufags. Should've stopped watching after that episode. Shit was so beautiful.

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God regular Tsubasa sucks so much.

Do you think in the show when they all become old enough (18+) they will have sexual relations?

>>161842555
This. The end of Hitagi's arc on Bake was the peak of Monogatari, the series will never have a scene so beautiful again

>>161842655
Araragi and Crab had plenty of sex.
Cat clearly fucked lots of men during travels and both his sisters had boyfriends and will clearly get laid in college. Monkey ironically despite how lewd she is will probably be the last one.

>>161839513
Are the people that ask this just memeing or have you not watched/understood Nekomonogatari?

>>161842729
No, I don't think so. They all haven't had any sex yet.

>>161842766
Yes yes funny meme.

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>>161842729
What about Nadeko?

>>161842790
Seriously. There was never any rock hard evidence that any of them did. I know anime fans like to perv stuff up and imagine but that's just not the case.

>>161842821
Given her real personality I am sure she would offer everything to get her shit published. Probably calls them koyomo-oni-chan during it though.

>>161842822
I agree when it comes to Hanekawa and Araragi's sisters, but Hitagi and Araragi had sex, that much is extremely obvious.

>>161841308

Nisio answered what their relationship is already in Nise and then in another interview. Nisio said that she was another mother for Araragi.

>>161842870
I really don't see any point in assuming Cat or the sisters would stay virgin and wouldn't lose their virginities at a normal age.

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>>161842822
The idea is that she fucks Araragi but then immediately sends him back because she's terrified of him.

Remember, according to the transitive property Senjougahara is the biggest pervert in the series.

>>161842870
This.

Because Hanekawa is even more of a cunt then Senjougahara. She just tries to hide it.

>>161842947
>normal age
The problem is that you are thinking of the normal age a girl would lose her virginity in the west. In Japan it's not uncommon for girls to stay virgins until as late as their mid 20's, plus they are anime girls, so it's even more likely they will stay virgins for longer.

>>161842822
fuck off with this stale meme

>>161843021
>In Japan it's not uncommon for girls to stay virgins until as late as their mid 20's
Not if they are this attractive and in the case of the sisters have boyfriends this early and in the case of Cat literally explode into a demon if they get too stressed.

>>161842947
>normal age
Fuck you, degenerate Westerner.

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>>161843053
Aren't the sister's boyfriend's names just puns on their own or something? I don't actually think they exist.

18 years old is when you can start being sexually active.

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>>161842701
>That's it
>What?
>That's everything, all I can give you
This thread made me rewatch the scene again and fuck me it reminded me why I loved the series in the first place. The quiet atmoshpere, the characters, the ost. It's a story about a girl who needs help and a boy who helps everyone. This scene is the culmination of a teenage love that tugs at heart because of how simple it is. No trip overseas, no expensive gifts, just a picnic under the star with profound dialogue. It made me angry at the same time since they shit on this beautiful relationship for waifubaits, I dropped it halfway on Mathgirl arc. I'm not sure I should pick it back up again but at least this scene stays with me.

>>161842315
They're both depraved perverts, so they can at least bond over that.

>>161839559
Even if Hanekawa asked first he'd say no. He says this over and over again, he thinks Hanekawa deserves someone better than him. Or rather that he doesn't see himself as worthy of her, however you want to put it.

>>161842466
>as he is a much better than Shitragi
Aside from those one note vampire hunter guys Kaiki's worst boy in the series. Biggest manchild in the series who acts more like a dumb teenager than most of the actual dumb teenagers that make up the cast, he's a literal cuck, and every specialist introduced in the series is better than him too so he doesn't even have that distinction going for him either. I have no idea why it's always this sort of character /a/ is attracted to.

>>161843293
>I have no idea why it's always this sort of character /a/ is attracted to.
In this case they just like cuckolding. That's it.

>>161843053
>Not if they are this attractive
I don't think would understand just how many virgins Japan has:
>According to the Japan Times, a new survey of Japanese people ages 18 to 34 found that 70 percent of unmarried men and 60 percent of unmarried women are not in a relationship. It gets worse: Around 42 percent of men and 44.2 percent of women admitted that they were virgins

>sisters have boyfriends
Yes, but they are what, 14 years old? I doubt they would lose their virginity at that age, especially that again, they are anime girls on top of all.
As for Hanekawa, it may happen, or it may not. I deny the possibility until the show at least imply something.

>>161842555
>Though it's ruined when Araragi became a scum and chase after other girls as well to pander waifufags.
He was already chasing Hachikuji around in Bake, and no amount of
>bawwww it's just comedy it doesn't count! D=
will change that. Read/watch an actual romance story instead of complaining how Monogatari never was one.

>>161843334
>Yes, but they are what, 14 years old? I doubt they would lose their virginity at that age
How old are you exactly?

>>161843334
>Yes, but they are what, 14 years old? I doubt they would lose their virginity at that age, especially that again, they are anime girls on top of all.
I specifically said when they would go to college. I am not saying they will lose it to those boyfriends. But getting a boyfriend is an important early step.

>>161843348
>little girl
>chasing around
>not a joke
Heh, good one

>>161843354
Again, you using the degenerate females from your society as an standard to judge Japanese.

>>161843053
I thought the entire joke was that the "boyfriends" were obviously made up. Neither sister can really come up with a description for their boyfriends beyond "he's kind of like my brother".

>>161843388
So which girl is he chasing around that isn't a joke?

>>161843415
I thought they tried for them to set up to meet their brother.
Although I don't know the timing. If both of them got them around when he started with Crab then them being fake would be kinda cute.

>>161842333
B-but my cuckholding fetish

>>161843388
Be consistent and write off everything else Araragi does and being just a joke atleast. The only part of this series with more explicit scenes of the sort you guys complain about was Nise, that's it.

Alternatively drop the double standards and watch or read something else entirely instead of complaining about the series not being something it never was.

>>161843348
False equivalence. The perv stuff that RRG did with other girls on Bake was far less extreme than later on in the series, it's not even comparable imo. Not to mention that his relationship with Hitagi wasn't established yet at that point

>>161843427
>>161843468
It became not a joke after Bake to sell waifu shits. During Bake, Araragi only teases Hachikuji because he's a big brother, he deals with little girls like he deals with his sisters. Of course there are people who like girls like Hachikuji (read: pedo) so they need to keep it up a notch and it became disgusting.

>>161843468
He literally kisses Shinobu at Monogatari second season.
>instead of complaining about the series not being something it never was.
Don't give Araragi a girlfriend then? It's painfully obvious that Isin did that just to justify Araragi not fucking every girl he meets.

>>161843561
>It became not a joke after Bake to sell waifu shits
With whom? Name one girl he is after seriously other than Crab and in a more meaningful way Bat.

Its fine to fuck children when they are 10 to 12 but generally they don't form their own relationships until 20 or so.

Bakemonogatari was about a nihilistic guy with a wicked sense of humor deciding who he liked the best out of all the girls he knew.

The rest of Monogatari is about a slightly less nihilistic guy with a slightly more wicked sense of humor deciding which of the girls he liked the best he liked more, but he's taking a really long time to break it to the other one that he wants to finish it.

>>161843583
he became more perverted in his interaction with them. I can list examples like toothbrush scene, twister scene, Monkey undressing, etc but you get the picture. Serious in here is not in he wants to be their boyfriend but acts like he's not even in a relationship at all. This is done so the other girls has scenes that waifufags can fap/admire/see in order to sell merchandise and keep up the show's popularity.

>>161843680
>he became more perverted in his interaction with them
None of that is ever serious. Its played for jokes entirely.

>>161843293
>Biggest manchild in the series who acts more like a dumb teenager than most of the actual dumb teenager
Why would say that? Genuinely curious.

>>161843505
>The perv stuff that RRG did with other girls on Bake was far less extreme than later on in the series
Just Nise. Bake's the only season where they had to outright censor scenes for TV release despite it being the least fanservice-y part of the franchise according to you speedwatchers.

>Not to mention that his relationship with Hitagi wasn't established yet at that point
It was established after Mayoi Snail, so yes it was established already. Nevermind the things he says to Kanbaru in Nadeko Snake that Shaft cut out.

Be consistent and say all the shit Araragi does "doesn't count" if you're going to deny shit that hurts your fragile feelings, most of the time it's not initiated by himself anyway.

>>161843568
>Don't give Araragi a girlfriend then?
It's been clear from the beginning that it's just a story about these chick's problems with Araragi being the observer/narrator. His lovelife just frames the rest of the story and nothing else, you guys pretend it's at the forefront of the story and it's all that you talk about because you're all a bunch of lonely middle aged women at heart evidently that reinterpret everything to suit what you want.

>>161843680
EVERYTHING is exaggerated for fucks sake. Do you also think the shit happening in the scenery is exactly what is happening. He is not being punched into the stratosphere by hachikuji. He is just teasing her a little.

>>161843710
Not him but that is what his character is. He's early timeline Araragi if he never grew up and never stopped running away from everything. Kaiki's entire backstory is that he's moping about a chick who didn't return his feelings several decades ago. Says he has some sort of duty to look out for Kanbaru but does nothing for her all series because he ran away from that too. The only actually positive thing he does all series is give advice to the other character in this series who was as self-deluded as he is.

Not hating on the character here, Kaikifags get spergy whenever you say something bad about him for some reason but all the endless praise he gets from people here is sort of missing the point of his character I feel.

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Praise Black Cat.

Wow, guys, are you retarded? Of course he chasing other girls, it's a fucking HAREM show. God.

>>161843723
At Snail arc the only thing that happened was that Hitagi asked to be his girlfriend and he accepted, but their arc wasn't finished yet. He literally was dating Hitagi for about a day at that point and it happened in a very abrupt way. You would think that after an emotional scene like the end of Hitagi's arc things would change a little, or at least the show gives the impression that gives now became more serious, when it happened quite the contrary because the harem must go on.

I like how you ignored what I said about Shinobu. He blatantly flirts with Ononoki and Shinobu, going as far as kissing her in Monogatari second season, he also kisses Snail in the same season. What he did with Snail in Bake can easily be written off as a joke because the tone of the scene and the things that happened on it, same isn't true for the scenes I mentioned.

>It's been clear from the beginning that it's just a story about these chick's problems with Araragi being the observer/narrator.
Okay, so? You realize that you can interact with girls and solve their problems without groping, kissing and flirting with them right? Another thing that make what I said obvious is how irrelevant Crab became as the series went on, their relationship is there just as an excuse for him to not get serious with the other girls at this point. It was always like that always

>>161843701
>>161843764
there are limits on when something is a running joke or something else entirely, it's fine if you like harem show and love the development of this series but just don't change tone of the show as you present it from the beginning. Like what >>161843568 said, if you want him to be a pervy harem chad then don't do this in the first place. It cheapens moments like this >>161843191
and gave secondaryfags like me who enters this series blind and stars to love it from the premise. I actually thought the stories would progress in the manner that RRG can't help but saves all the girls and got their affections except it played more seriously with him not wanting to hurt Crab's feelings by accepting them or that they might face relationship drama regarding him actually not seeing Crab as special after all. As the show progress the respect I had for RRG started to dwindle with this so called "joke" scenes that I felt like I;m not watching the same show I watched at the beginning. Now instead of ghost shows in a rural town area with the heroic MC I'm watching pervy comedic guy with occasional spooky stuff thrown in.

>>161843978
Parts of the fanbase have a weird complex about it and insist that it's not a harem show while pretending that all the harem parts of the story don't happen.

>>161844004
>going as far as kissing her in Monogatari second season, he also kisses Snail in the same season
Not that anon but they kissed him to be fair.

>>161844005
>but just don't change tone of the show as you present it from the beginning.
That is not a real rule. That is just your own opinion. Personally I love the range of tone this goes through.

Again what you accuse people here I can just throw right back at you. You had a different idea of what you wanted to see. But nothing pointed towards what you wanted unless you are retarded.

>>161844004
>their relationship is there just as an excuse for him to not get serious with the other girls at this point.
was that intentional in-universe? I got the impressin part of why he was so ready to commit to her was so that he would have a motivation not to take things too far with every girl he knows, but would like other people's takes

>>161844012
Both cat and snake storyline wouldn't happen in a normal harem. Especially Snake is the opposite of how it works out in harem shows.

I still think it qualifies as a harem show but your connotations are wrong.

>>161843978
It is a harem show that the MC has a girlfriend, only difference is that. I'm just saying that It killed the emotional aspect of the relationship between Hitagi and Araragi for the sake of keeping the series alive.

>>161844071
>But nothing pointed towards what you wanted unless you are retarded.

>First season, first arc, first problem, first resolution
>I'm wrong to assume the show would be like what I saw at the premise of the show
So I guess if I saw a show about fantasy gore killing devils on the first season It's wrong when I get mad that it became CGDCT at the second season?

>>161844063
He didn't resist did he? If some guy kissed your girlfriend and she accepted, wouldn't you see it as cheating?
Also, you are right as far as Snail and Ononoki goes, but he kissed Shinobu.

>>161844194
>>>First season, first arc, first problem, first resolution
Was about what? Fighting monsters or fucking emotional metaphors? Hanekawa was right there from the beginning. So was Shinobu. And it was clear right from the beginning Araragi had more complicated relationships with them.
It might be a few years for you and maybe you were to young but I implore you to rewatch it now that you are older and maybe look at what it was about right from the start.

>>161844271
>Was about what? Fighting monsters or fucking emotional metaphors? Hanekawa was right there from the beginning. So was Shinobu. And it was clear right from the beginning Araragi had more complicated relationships with them.
and in spite of that he chose Senjougahara. I did watch it, and I why do you think I thought the Altair scene was touching as hell? It's because despite what he knows, his relationship, the girls around him, he CHOSE her. Not Cat, not Bat, but Crab. That's why I was hoping the tone of the show would stay the same, to explain why he did that. Why would a girl who he just helped out of the blue be more important then the girls he had more complex relationship with. This is the drama I want to see and explained, but I guess funny molesting harem guy is more important.

Why did OP choose his wife (and her son) over his sister? What is it about wale that made him choose her over qt3.1415?

He is a fag.

>>161844004
>was that Hitagi asked to be his girlfriend and he accepted, but their arc wasn't finished yet
Right, so more "it doesn't count because it hurts my fee-fees!" stuff.

>I like how you ignored what I said about Shinobu.
What did you say about Shinobu that I ignored? That he kissed her in Second Season? As much as Shaft played it down it established that he and Shinobu had some sort of intimate bond already even back in Bake. I've been saying over and over again that it was never "just a romance" story between Araragi and Gahara at any point, as much as you guys want it to be. On top of him being flirty with Hachikuji and Kanbaru, which doesn't count either because "it's just comedy bro" or whatever.

>Another thing that make what I said obvious is how irrelevant Crab became as the series went on
His lovelife just frames the rest of the story and nothing else, you guys pretend it's at the forefront of the story and it's all that you talk about because you're all a bunch of lonely middle aged women at heart evidently that reinterpret everything to suit what you want.

All that we are implying is that it cheapens the emotional moments in the series. Araragi has fun with some the girls on Bake, but it is:
-Muss less extreme
-In a less serious tone
-On a time where Hitagi was still relevant
-On a time where the conclusion of their arc didn't happened yet
Also, and this is important, Bake was the first in the series, the fact that he choose Hitagi and denied the other girls despite being a pervert makes you think that it will be different from your average harem, only to find out later on that Hitagi just exists as a plot point.

>>161844378
>and in spite of that he chose Senjougahara.
Yeah she is his girlfriend? So? I don't know if you have ever been in any relationship but it does not necessitate to have no other friends and have no other feelings for other people.
>That's why I was hoping the tone of the show would stay the same, to explain why he did that
What do you want to have explained? Emotions BY FUCKING DEFINITION can't be explained. He himself just says he loves her. Every relationship is different to every girl. And none of them lessen the others.

>>161844378
>because despite what he knows, his relationship, the girls around him, he CHOSE her. Not Cat, not Bat, but Crab
Not a Batfag but all the conflicts in that story literally resolve when he opens up to and accepts Bat. Watch the entire series instead of cherrypicking one episode.

>>161839606
Araragi isn't the type of guy to do anything. He's a cartoon with a plastic personality who exists so people can self-insert into a universe full of hot girls. There's no use arguing about why he did this or didn't do that, because it won't make any fucking sense. Just watch the series for the girls and shut up.

>>161844455
>All that we are implying is that it cheapens the emotional moments in the series
exactly. Now I don't care who or what RRG does because at the end he would just cheapen it. You can make the girl cry, have emotional moment, big love gesture, but the next episode he would just molest the ghost Snail all over again.

>>161844506
>Yeah she is his girlfriend? So? I don't know if you have ever been in any relationship but it does not necessitate to have no other friends and have no other feelings for other people.
I know that. I know people cheat, lie, move on, etc etc and that was the point I was trying to make in the first place. It cheapens what happened between them, it reduces Araragi from heroic MC to your average cheating dude.

>>161844455
>-In a less serious tone
>Bake is less serious than Nise
You retarded or something?

>>161844596
>it reduces Araragi from heroic MC to your average cheating dude.
I don't get it. Do you want it be less serious or more serious?

>>161844455
Hitagi's just a plot point in Bake too, why do you look at this one season with such rose-tinted glasses? (is it Shinbo & Oishi's shitty slideshow visuals lifted out of earlier Shaft works?) Any character could've filled her role as "chick who Araragi is dating" and it would've been largely the same (except for Kanbaru getting involved), all her role in Bake was is to serve as the trigger for a bunch of other characters getting pissy.

It's not a romance shoujo, Araragi's relationships with Hitagi (And Shinobu) just sets up the rest of the story and that's it. Applies to Bake just as much as it does the rest of the franchise.

>>161844644
>Hitagi's just a plot point in Bake too, why do you look at this one season with such rose-tinted glasses?
because it's the gateway to the series? because it's our first look at the characters and therefore the foundation in getting to know them? I don't know why you're confused on this point.

>>161844724
You're the one complaining about the series not revolving around Gahara when she was always just a plot device to set other plot events in motion and nothing else, not me. From beginning to end of Bake Araragi's had more fleshed out relationships with other characters than he did with his own girlfriend, Gahara very literally just exists to fill the role of "the girlfriend" and that's it. Rest of the series doesn't need to exist in order to reach this same conclusion.

>>161844396
>Right, so more "it doesn't count because it hurts my fee-fees!" stuff.
If you want to ignore sound arguments and common sense because it suits your point of view, sure.

>As much as Shaft played it down it established that he and Shinobu had some sort of intimate bond already even back in Bake
And I'm the one trying to twist reality to suit my views, sure.
It's established that he has a strong bound with her, but never ever implied they had any romantic relationship or that he had feelings for her at all. It could be something like mother and son, sister and brother, friends, anything. That's what I am constantly saying and you choose to ignore it every time, Araragi does perv stuff with other girls on Bake, but never it's implied that any of them are competition to Hitagi at all, save for Hanekawa, which Araragi denies It at the end, further enforcing his feelings for Gahara.
Later on in the series that changes, things become more serious with other girls and it starts to look like they actually are competition or that something more serious is going on. You can can't twist reality to say that the small stuff he does in Bake is anything close to Nise, Gatari second season and so on.
>On top of him being flirty with Hachikuji and Kanbaru
Sure, let's compare the playful things he does with the two with kissing serious kissing scenes and his play with the other girls getting more and more serious as the series go on.

>lonely middle aged women
And you sound like a lonely haremfag who uses false equivalence and twist reality to make It seem like what they did wasn't because it's better from an economical perspective, but because ''the series was always like that''.
It's like saying that Naruto and Elfen Lied are both violent series because violence happens in both of them. It's retarded and a false equivalence.

>>161844853
>You're the one complaining about the series not revolving around Gahara when she was always just a plot device to set other plot events in motion and nothing else
I'm complaining how the show cheapens the scene by doing so but you guys keep insisting it doesn't. You insist it's fine that Araragi became lewd comedy guy and that it doesn't cheapen his relationship. It's fine that this is a harem show, it's fine that he doesn't care about his gf, it's fine that he does pervy stuff for joke, but don't say it doesn't cheapen the Bake season. Call me rose-tinted. nostalgiafag all you want but it's true that they treat season 1 like shit.

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>>161839513
they both look like whores who'll cheat on you the second they see a more attractive guy.
Why couldn't Araragi just pick his sisters.

>>161845011
That's not possible, because Oshino Meme is the most attractive man in the entire series and they've both met him.

Good thread. There are actually discussions in here.

>>161845055
Oshino looks like a hobo or a character from a bara manga.

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>>161839513
Nisio prefers the wacky relationships like the sort the MC has with Cat or Monkey, that's why. I have no idea why Monogatari threads are filled with rampant Crabfaggotry vs Batfaggotry because even in Bakemonogatari Nisio focused more on Koyomi's bonds, positive or negative, with the other girls while his undoubtedly romantic (but considerably less fleshed out, less interesting, and frankly featuring less of the fun banter that defines this series) relationships with Crab and Bat are on the backburner most of the time. I get that Shaft pretty heavily cut out certain parts of the story and stretched out other parts but that much is still evident in the anime, Shaft couldn't do a thing to prevent Crab coming off as the most simplistic and the least interesting character in the series because that's just how she is by design. Koyomi's character and story doesn't center around her, she's just an actor in his story.

Most of Nisio's other superior works are like that as well, closest to a conventional romance he has is Okitegami Kyouko.

>>161844644
I'm not looking at it with rose tinted glasses, it isn't my favorite season, it just has my favorite moment and ED. I'm just stating the fact that there's enough reasons for people to believe that the romantic scene between RRG and Gahara lost its impact because of later seasons.
>>161844853
There's a big difference between ''revolving around Gahara'' and not ignoring her completely. It's impossible for the series to revolve around her anyway, her arc is over, but the point was the she is forgotten to the point that you even forget Araragi has a gf at all.

>>161844960
>I'm complaining how the show cheapens the scene by doing so
It really doesn't. Right from the start it was implied that there are SEVERAL stories to tell and that Crab is just one of them. Nothing he has done cheapens their relationship. Neither does the whole KaikixCrab thing.

>>161844960
The scene stands alone on its own merits. It is a beautiful, emotional scene, the best in the entire series. However, that doesn't mean that the series should be beholden to it. I think your problem is that you want Araragi to simply be someone he's not. You want him to be this guy who is entirely devoted to Crab, and Crab only. That's just not who he is.

That scene shows us how much he cares for Crab in that moment, but it doesn't fundamentally change him as a person. He still has a complex web of relationships with a diverse cast of characters. Despite his feelings for Hitagi, he's still a lecherous pervert, he still has complex feelings for Hanekawa, he still has a really deep and complicated relationship with Shinobu, and he's still got a strange, incestuous relationship with his sisters.

Araragi is an all around weird guy, who has to juggle all of these relationships simultaneously, while doing his best to do right by all these people even when it is all but impossible. If you don't like that, then that is your problem, not the series.

>>161845128
how about Medaka Box?

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Would they have been a better couple instead?

>>161839513
1. Araragi is a loser

2. He has a crippling inferiority complex

and that's basically it

>>161845185
>Araragi is an all around weird guy, who has to juggle all of these relationships simultaneously, while doing his best to do right by all these people even when it is all but impossible. If you don't like that, then that is your problem, not the series.
which is why I posted my opinion, and discussed it here. Now that we know where we stand I'd like to say thanks for discussing it seriously instead of spamming memes and avoiding the question. It's a good series, with unique characters and breathtaking artworks, but I guess it's not my cup of tea after all.

>>161845194
That is essentially masturbation.

>>161842729
crab only has kaiki sperm in her womb anon

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>>161845194
More mystery solving adventures with the two of them would be nice.

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Would you rather fuck the Valhalla Combination or the Fire Sisters?

The head of one of my dicks is bright red and feels like its going to explode and rip open.

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>>161845284
Explain Ougi to me. Is she/he like a tulpa made physical? Can I insert it in her/his bumhole?

>>161845322
Valhalla combination if threesome. Fire sisters if one after the other.

>>161845341
Use your other dick till it clears up.

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>>161845322
The araragi sisters are top tier. Koyomi would be fucking stupid not to fuck them until they're loose before letting another man take them away forever.

>>161845390
You have to fuck them both at once, yes.

Although I'm curious as what your thought process is as to why you'd fuck one over the other depending on the order.

>>161845382
Kind of? Post-Owari she seems to have her own existence since it's what Araragi & Meme wills it to be though I've seen people mention that Suruga Bonehead sheds some more light on Ougi's existence and it implies that he/she/whatever still has some sort of connection to Araragi so I dunno.

>>161845382
She/He WAS an "oddity" made by Araragi representing his adolescence. But then he let it become its own thing.

>>161845457
>>Although I'm curious as what your thought process is as to why you'd fuck one over the other depending on the order.
Well essentially during a threesome you want the girls to also make out with each other. And as close as the fire sisters are they would be more awkward. While Monkey would love to fuck crab.
But generally I like the fire sisters more. Especially Bee.

>>161845435
People don't actually think that Araragi and Karen haven't gone too far offscreen do they? He gets extremely irrational around her in general, even disregarding whatever the hell "extra innings" meant they end up living alone together for a few years later on.

>>161845551
They've gone pretty far. They've fed each other like birds and brushed each other's teeth multiple times.

Araragi is just lucky that Senjougahara doesn't seem to mind.

>>161845466
Meme or maybe Araragi could probably undo her current identity, not that they have any reason to but still.

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>>161845509
And as close as the fire sisters are they would be more awkward.

It would be way more hot. I also don't think they'd have any hang ups after a few rounds.

>>161845616
I just think Monkey would improve the threesome. I wouldn't say no to either.

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>>161845551
I think the toothbrush scene was weird and out of place.
Was this scene really necessary? What was the purpose for it?

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>>161845551
If they didn't fuck in extra innings, they fucked when they lived alone together while Koyomi was single. He even states that he would marry her if he could. A lot of people seem to overlook just how deep his relationship with Karen really is.

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>>161845686
To demonstrate that Araragi is an incestuous pervert that wants to fuck his sister. Pretty simple, really.

>>161845686
Dude he just really cares for his family okay

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>>161845686
To demonstrate the power that the third most perverted pervert holds in his hands.

>>161845686
Oral hygiene is not a means to an end, it is the destination itself.

>>161845699
I want that to be canon. They fuck almost everyday because they're together alone. It'll be just like my incest doujins!

>haremfags post
>thread turns to shit
as always

>>161845843
Don't bitch that no one wants to talk with you, fag. People will talk about anything on here, it's your own fault if you can't get others to buy into whatever bullshit you're crying about.

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>>161845843
I'm the incestfag.

>>161845926
What's your stance on Mamaragi

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>>161845959
wit biggie milky

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>>161845382
To my understanding even after Araragi "sets her free" she pretty much just becomes into a ghost who haunts the school and occasionally cheers Kanbaru up when she's missing Araragi. I'm not quite sure how far this "she's a seperate existence now" thing runs because she still seems to only show up in matters tangentially related to Araragi himself.

>>161845699
>extra innings ?

>>161845551
Kyomi definitely have sister complex with karen, I mean most "i said most" of his actions with tsuki can be considered prevet jokes

When it comes to karen it just feels dude can't keep his boner down

>>161844531
What did you watch the raws on mute or something? shit bait my friend

>>161844220
>He didn't resist did he?
Given the circumstances of the Hachikuji one plus how far at the end of his wits in general he was at that point in the story, that'd be an incredibly asshole-ish thing for him to do on top of it breaking the tone of the scene/arc completely. Crabfags (and Batfags too actually) need to drop this shit of complaining that every single scene in the series doesn't irrationally revolve around their waifu, how do you guys even manage to enjoy this series at all with that mindset anyway?

>>161846948
>how do you guys even manage to enjoy this series at all with that mindset anyway?
Have you read this guy's posts. He doesn't seem to enjoy anything other than crab's arc.

>>161844531
Araragi's too heavily characterized to be a self-insert though. Maybe not in Bake or Nise but after that, absolutely.

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>>161846464
How could you forget.

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>>161842821
>What about Nadeko?
She had her way with Kaiki.
(For those who are dreaming about NadekoXKaiki. If there are any. Here is some for you.)
Part 1
>Nadeko was having a hard time continuing her manga. She had exhausted all her resources and then finally she remembered Kaiki. She thought that maybe he could help her. After some time she finally got an opportunity to get in touch with him. This is after she learned that Kanbaru met with Kaiki. After bugging Kanbaru for some time, she finally got his number. Nadeko immediately called him and said that she would like to thank him and asked if he would not mind helping her out with her latest manga. Kaiki was hesitant because he does not really like manga and just mentioned it to her while she was still a god as a necessity. Nadeko said that she does not have anyone left to turn too. Tsukihi helped her a bit but was not able to help her but it was not enough. Kaiki agreed to her out of responsibility because he was the one who told her that she could become a good mangaka soon.
>Kaiki went to her house and the parents gladly welcomed him because Nadeko told them about him. She said that he was the one that helped her to come back when she was lost for days. After some chat with her parents, Kaiki and Nadeko went to her room to start business. After both of them got in the room, Nadeko locked her room and then she stabbed Kaiki at the back with a syringe and he started to feel dizzy.
>When he woke up, he was already on her bed and tied hand and foot with a sock in his mouth. He is semi-paralyzed. It must be the effect of the drug. Although he is conscious, he could not freely move.

>>161841048
Wow, she is addicted to the meaty cock

>>161847340
Why does Kaiki look like Nigel Farage.

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>>161847340
Part 2
>Nadeko then said to him.
>"Sorry I have to do this. I'm not really sure how I would be able to make you do what I want so I thought that if you became immobile, we could do it without a problem. You see, I was having trouble continuing my manga probably because I have no experience yet. I can't believe Tsukihi is still a D.T. even if she kept on bragging about her boyfriend. I'll try to make you feel really good so please don't be mad. Itadakimasu!"
>Kaiki said in his mind.
>“What does having sexual experience have to do in writing manga? Is she planning to write that kind of stuff I’m finding hard to even say?”
>Kaiki could not really do anything because of the drug. Nadeko had her way with Kaiki but it seemed that Kaiki had not done it with a woman for a very long time so he could not resist the urge. Because of that he hopelessly fell under the palm of Nadeko. She really knew what she is doing because she did her research but it was not enough. She had to have hands on training to actually make progress.
>After they are finish, Nadeko said to Kaiki not to do anything rash and act like nothing happened. That is what he is good at anyway. Kaiki was lost in words but as a man he decided to act responsibly. But then, Hitagi pop out of his mind. He felt really guilty about it but what is done is done. Nadeko then thanked him and said not to think about what happened too much and she wants to remain friends with him. She said that she could probably write something better now after the experience she had with him. Kaiki agreed to it but on the back of his mind he was thinking that he created a monster. Nadeko gave him a sweet kiss on his lips which was stuffed with sock the whole time. After that, he left her house.
>>161842821

>>161842333
>gahara breaks up with rrg
What

People who are waiting for Araragi to "choose" between Bat and Crab don't get how Nisio writes relationships. Hell, in Zaregoto, he had the protagonist genuinely ask out a girl in one scene while he was in love with another girl who he asked to marry him like a week later. He probably doesn't see relationships that encompass different "aspects" of the characters' lives as being in conflict.

>>161842821
how'd you think she got the real good booth at comiket?

>>161842858
>Given her real personality I am sure she would offer everything to get her shit published.
Kaiki is taking responsibility for her so he does the talking. In return, Nadeko takes care of him.

>>161848261
>Kaiki is taking responsibility
She's fucked then.

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>crtl+F
>Shoryuken
>0 Results

I knew Yozuru loved video games but I didn't actually expect her autism to actually have her scream out SHORYUKEN in the middle of a fight.

Why aren't you uppercutting vampires in the face /a/?

Wait didn't Senjougahara kinda forced him to accept her? But somehow Araragi said in season 2 he loved her more than anything else

>>161842701
>>161843191
And the day after that marks the end of human civilization. Their relationship is really bad omen. If crab is really up to marrying rrrg, she must make sure to put up with rrrg & bat's affairs. Hurt bat too much and it will be the end of her.

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>>161846035
What would Mamaragi say about Koyomi's sister complex

>>161848559
Bat is patient. She can just wait until Crab dies.

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>>161843947
>Furry detected!

>>161848654
>implying Paparagi isn't her brother

>>161847340
>>161847422
Kill yourself, autist.

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>>161849191
Holy fucking shit I am totally erect now

Senjougahara is the short cut to the true prize Kanbaru

>>161847340
>>161847422
when did kaiki fags become so fucking retarded?

>>161849502
>shortcut

Do you mean dead end?

>>161849616
Daying sounds good though. You always stop at the top

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>>161844378
>It's because despite what he knows, his relationship, the girls around him, he CHOSE her. Not Cat, not Bat, but Crab.
That is not what rrrg said when he was talking with bat in kabuki.
>What I do is what you do, what you do is what I do. No matter what you do, I may be angry, but I will never leave you. I love Senjougahara, and respect Hanekawa more than anyone. The person I'm most happy to talk to is Hachikuji. However, if I choose to die with anyone, I will choose you.

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>>161842822
it's just sex you retarded faggot

>>161847043
You mean the tooth scene ? i doubt they gone all the way through at that time, although they maybe did it when they lived together for few years

>>161839871
>tfw started koyomimonogatari and as soon as i finish i can watch kizu
i can finally see what happened during that spring break. my only question is why did they change the art style for the movies?

>>161849503
Probably because Kaiki is a cuck. He's literally japanese Snape.

>>161849916
i didn't mean to quote that person. please view this post as it's own post instead of a reply

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>>161849916
They had more budget for the movies.

>>161849839
>i doubt they gone all the way through at that time
She asked for Extra innings anon.
Although yeah I don't think they went all the way.

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Kiss ghosts
not really kiss

How are the english novel TLs? Any major problems?

>>161839513

re: Senjougahara - Hitagi faces her problems face on. Directly and courageously. This is something ARARAGI doesn't do. He doesn't like acknowledging the real problem. He'd rather gloss over them. Ignore them or look for solutions where "everyone" is happy. This nearly resulted in the death of everyone he cared about in the Hitagi End and Nadeko Medusa arc, and did indirectly lead to Sodachi family hell and mental breakdown. He's too much of an EMOTIONAL coward, and it's because he's an emotional coward that he hates himself to the point of suicide. Hitagi has an inner strength of character araragi wishes he had (being a fan of justice like he is).

re: Hanekawa - Hanekawa is an emotional COWARD, just like Araragi. In fact she's just as unwilling to address important issues as he is, and while she lacks his sense of justice, she's just as suicidal. While Araragi ignores the truth when it's inconvenient, Hanakawa ignores her own feeling whenever it's inconvenient. As a result she blames herself for her life being shit. Ultimately there is NOTHING about Hanakawa's personality that Araragi admires. Sure, he admires her intelligence, and he's indebted to her helping him (though her help was mostly out of some twilight tier fantasy or cinderella tier dream she'd escape her crappy home life somehow); he wants to fuck her and play with her boobs. But as a person she's just as lacking as he is. And while they have similar personality hang ups, to the point most people think they'd make a good couple, her personality basically turns him off (as he discovered in Nekomonogatari)

re: Shinobu - he's keeping her as a pet. There is/was an endless grudge/injury between the two which will never be fully reconciled. Yes they became good friends, may even love each other in a twisted way (helped in part by Shinobou's desire to die being changed to finding her life interesting as a shadow). Ultimately this isn't a romance.

>>161850242
Mr. Oshino sends his regards

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>>161844925
Kabuki
>It could be something like mother and son, sister and brother, friends, anything.
>"No but, I think you should not be so cold towards me. More than friends, but less than lovers, is that not how my existence is defined?"
>"I have no intention of being cold towards you, but I think you're completely wrong."
>"Then what am I to you?"
Shinobu Figure
>Leaving out all the details of how it came to be that way, it will suffice to say that for Koyomi Araragi, the little blond girl, the little girl yet an enchantress, Oshino Shinobu is in various ways and in every way more important than his own heart. That much is certain.
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if (friend < bat < lover) is completely wrong and (bat > rrrg's heart) then bat > lovers. In other words, bat ~ wife.

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So is Hanekawa Big Boss now or what

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>>161845055
>>161845116
Oshino Meme belongs only to cat.

>>161845128
>bitter monkeyfag

>>161839513
Crabs are tastier than cats.

>>161850298
>and did indirectly lead to Sodachi family hell and mental breakdown
Absolutely not, that was him failing to connect the dots of her living situation out of a combination of it being so foreign to himself + Sodachi staying completely silent about everything despite any attempts of his to talk to her. The denial came after the fact and as a result of him failing to realize her situation in time, it didn't "cause" her problems at all.

Also Araragi (and later other characters in Owari) outright state that he just feels like he's undeservedly taking advantage of Senjougahara falling for him the way he does. Dial down the headcanon a couple notches (and maybe acknowledge the fact that Araragi overpraises her and dismisses her inability to criticize anything and how she constantly encourages his own suicidal idiocy, though as of Second Season onwards people are too afraid to criticize any female character not called Nadeko I've noticed)

>>161850588
That anon didn't really say anything about Kanbaru though, just that Nisio prefers writing about fucked up relationships over normal ones

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>>161850588
Keep Monkey out of your shipperfag waifufests please. She's only there to be his wingman in the wacky supernatural stuff eroragi gets mixed up in.

>>161851120
They also practice different positions

>>161850648
you didn't bother to read between the lines, that whole arc araragi KNEW ALL ALONG what happened to Sodachi. He knew about her mother. He knew about the abuse. He knew the teacher cheated, then let Sodachi take the blame. He even knew she wanted him to tell his parents about the abuse when they were kids.

Araragi chose to ignore it because it was difficult. She is mostly why he HATES himself and wants to die in Kizu. He knew all along what was going on in her home. However he chose to ignore it because he didn't want to be responsible for breaking up her family. Then he knew all along the teacher cheated (or guessed that was the case anyway) and chose to ignore it because the class chose as a group to blame Sodachi, and it was easier to go with the flow rather then stand up and do the right thing.

OF COURSE he feels like he's taking advantage of Senjougahara. Jesus christ, he HATES himself you dumb fucker. Self loathing == low self esteem == no self worth, which means since he values her he feels like he's not worthy of her at all. Furthermore she fell in love with him first. which means he must have tricked her or taken advantage of her in some way (this is how his mind works you dim twat). This is why this date episode in Owari2 mattered so much. In this episode Araragi is confronting himself with his own self hate. And he realizes it's ok to grow the fuck up, stop hating himself, and enjoy having a girlfriend he loves.

Your problem is you trust araragi's fucking narration too much. the dude lies to the audience all the fucking time. try WATCHING the show and stop being so trusting of all the endless bullshit that comes out of his mouth.

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>>161845194
>Daddy, I want to make you feel better.
>I told you. Before, we can't do this, mom might wake up.
>Someone is having cold feet and scared with mommy.
>I'm sure you just want me to get knocked out by mom again like last time.
>You are starting to learn how to read thoughts like we do. That’s something new.
>Not exactly, it is just, you've done this countless of times already and I always end up being the one beaten to the pulp.

>>161845277
crab has kaiki's sperm on her hair too.
>Crab's hair only remains smooth, silky and get longer fast if she use kaiki's sperm as her regular hair conditioner.

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>>161851219
Kanbaru seems like an Amazon position kind of gal to me

>>161851496
I like to think that
https://exhentai.org/g/629859/852b4b7f53/
is canon

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>>161845551
>they end up living alone together for a few years later on.
Rrrg will never be alone with anybody except bat. He never was since the end of Bake. Whenever you feel like something is going to happen off-screen, always think of bat and her vampire punches. That would give you a piece of mind.

>>161851259
> that whole arc araragi KNEW ALL ALONG what happened to Sodachi. He knew about her mother. He knew about the abuse. He knew the teacher cheated, then let Sodachi take the blame. He even knew she wanted him to tell his parents about the abuse when they were kids.
Nope, he didn't. He realized it after the fact and then denied it ever happened because he was so ashamed of failing to help her. His extreme denial issues spawned from the incident, it didn't exist before it. It's the only fucking reason the arc exists, it's the root of his insecurity issues and everything that stems from it. The fact that he **failed** to help her did this, not that he let Sodachi suffer due to his "just go with the flow because it's easier that way" attitude that he didn't even develop until after that incident.

There are even parts where he's asking his sisters if they remember Sodachi or not living at his house since he couldn't pick her out from his memories, though that didn't make it into the anime.

> is you trust araragi's fucking narration too much.
That's what I said you were doing with you saying how strong Senjougahara is (when she isn't, it's mostly Araragi's one-sided extreme praise of her) Though you seemed to have dropped everything you said about her in >>161850298 and are now agreeing with me on that so whatever.

>>161851680
That anon clearly meant "alone" as in without his parents and Tsukihi.

Also Bat wouldn't even interfere anyway.

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>>161851259
Not that anon but Araragi didn't ignore what was going on re:Sodachi's family situation the time, he genuinely didn't realize it. He figures it out too little too late and then gets into the habit of repressing memories/failures he doesn't want to acknowledge, which Ougi interrogates him over in Owari. The incident happening at all was what he chose to ignore, not what was going on at the time, this is clearer in the LNs admittedly
(also Sodachi having these ridiculously convoluted plans that no one else understands becomes a running thing for her too)

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>>161848919
>wait
Bat did not wait at all. At the end of bake, she forced rrrg and her to live together. On top of that, she made sure that rrrg would no longer be able to live without her.

>>161852027
except Ougi knew all about it.

And ougi knows everything Araragi knows. Araragi knew from page one of that book what the fuck was going on, he just didn't want to address or face it. He was in such fucking denial hanakawa got tired of dropping hints and flat out told him.

>>161852181
Too hot

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>>161849191
Those are humongous! I might suffocate if she stuff my face in between those.

I Like how anime Girls are looking More like white girls now Than 20 odd Years ago.

>>161839871
>prettier
If that is true then that explains why rrrg chose bat over crab.

>>161852027
I think he's mixing up Sodachi's situation with Nadeko's, where Araragi did realise that something wasn't quite right with Nadeko but just let it be while continuing to offer Nadeko opening up to him out of her own free will instead of taking action about it.

>>161852206
Ougi knew about it through Araragi figuring it out too late. Not because Araragi realised all along that Sodachi was being abused but simply decided not to say anything, Sodachi was the one afraid of her family being broken up and not Araragi, he outright didn't realize what was going on at the time. Ougi was berating him over denying that the Sodachi incident ever happened, not that he knew all along but simply didn't do anything. He also did not know all the facts, among other things having to ask his sisters to clarify facts confirms that.

You're completely misinterpreting what happened there. He has no sense of self-esteem due to failing to help her (through his own shortcomings), not that he let her get abused and then had a random change of heart about it not being ok after the fact.

>>161851577
What's the name of it

>>161839513
Hanekawa should have raped Araragi.

He wouldn't have denied her body.

>>161852201
They are just too cute together.
Fuck shitgahara.

>>161852201
I still count sitting in his shadow as waiting.
As long as she is happy at least. Its weird how she is one of the characters I want to be happy the most.

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>>161850298
>re: Shinobu - he's keeping her as a pet.
BIAS overload!

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>>161850643
True

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>>161839513
Canon severe and permanent Inferiority Complex,

Araragi considers himself extremely unworthy of the minimum of affection from Hanekawa, it's pretty sad of him if you think about it for a second.

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>>161852986
He would be right for once.

>>161851811
>Also Bat wouldn't even interfere anyway.
She might not.but she is showing signs of aggression against Karen. If that continues, we might get snek yandare part 2 subtitled bee edition. Read Karen Brushing & Karen Ogre.

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>>161852027
>he genuinely didn't realize it.
You are on the right track there. People who take literally that spooky=rrrg tends to mix what spooky knows and what rrrg knows and ends up with the conclusion like spooky knows so rrrg knows also and spooky is smart so rrrg super smart also. The truth is, spooky != rrrg because spooky > rrrg.

What currently unadapted LN/short Nisio story do you want to be given the Kizu treatment?

I really want either Musubi or the short story where Senjougahara and Kanbaru meet to be adapted.

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>>161852413
Furry Detected!

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Cat tats.

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>>161852714
>I still count sitting in his shadow as waiting.
She goes out his shadow around 10pm and goes back to it at dawn. This was revealed in shinobu time. Which will make you wonder. What could she possibly be doing when she is out? Go back and read Kabuki LN and you will learn that rrrg & bat actually sleeps together at night hugging each other. Top that with bat not wanting snek to sleep with rrrg and you will understand why bat went yandare and talked snek to eat the talisman making it OK for her to kill snek.

>>161852986
>Araragi considers himself extremely unworthy of the minimum of affection from Hanekawa
This is true.
Even in the latest book he feels unworthy of even a simple visit when she tells him to return the borrowed panties.

>>161853501
I do think Araragi could come off as "smarter" if he dropped all the extrenuous bullshit, but then he'd be a different person completely so it's a moot point really. It probably was for the best that Ougi never comes into contact with Sodachi for example, Ougi would've ripped her to shreds which is not what she needed.

>>161843143
yeah I read that doujin too
doesn't matter if it's true or not, it's my headcanon now

>>161853240
Not that guy but I've read both of those, what "signs of aggression against Karen" are you referring to here? That time she yells at her about Araragi brushing her teeth?

No one (either in the fanbase or within the story really) ever seems to acknowledge that Karen seems completely fine with it. Moreso than Araragi himself is even, potentially.

>>161853501
The whole "I was right about x, I was wrong about y, etc" thing in Ougi Dark confirms that much, yeah. I can understand people going off of partial spoilers and assuming incorrectly before it was animated.

Araragi does come off as a bit dumber in the anime though in my opinion, partly due to a lot of his inner monologue being lost and a lot of the storytelling that would usually be told by his narration being told through visual means since it's an anime and not a novel format now. All that shit Ougi was going on about in Hitagi Rendezvous about stars and shit was nearly 1:1 lifted out of shit Araragi said back in Bake (some of it from his date with Gahara in Tsubasa Cat, and some from his 'date' with Kanbaru in Nadeko Snake though none of that made it into the anime)

>>161854028
>sleeps together at night hugging each other
Why the fuck did they cut that from the Anime?

>>161839513
>What is it about crab that made him choose her over cat?
Shit taste.

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So, wait.

In Bake, Crab mentions she has 5,000 uncultured associates ready to launch an attack at Araragi's family, and then mentions his two younger sisters. In that short story where Kanbaru and Senjougahara meet, she has a very large group of people following her around.

D-does she actually have an army?

>>161853240
What Shinobu was saying to Karen in Ogre felt more like she was just trying to look out for her as opposed to being aggressive towards her to me.

>>161855579
I got that impression as well. It wasn't like when she was lecturing Sengoku for whatever she was lecturing her about, it was much less aggressive and crass.

>>161839513
Senjougahara even when a bitch is normal, Hanekawa is fucked up in the head and lives in a conflictive family

>>161845686
First of all a reminder that nisio wrote nise for himself and did not originally intend to publish it

Secondly
http://wrongeverytime.com/2013/04/14/nisemonogatari-and-the-nature-of-fanservice/

>>161855700
>First of all a reminder that nisio wrote nise for himself and did not originally intend to publish it
He says this for all of the LNs. He's also said that the series was finished several times now.

Nise was also badly adapted in general, no one ever seems to mention that but always mentions this one gag note at the end of the books.

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>>161854028
>you will learn that rrrg & bat actually sleeps together at night hugging each other.
Shit, I might have to sit down to learn moon at last to read the actual novels. It actually sucks when you have someone like this and it's blazing hot out, whenever my sister does this in the summer she winds up on the floor, I don't care if she's only 10, we ain't got no AC here.

>>161855787
I'm not aware of any other LN he has said this about, do you got any quotes?

>>161854201
>he feels unworthy of even a simple visit when she tells him to return the borrowed panties
That reason has been the standard but I does make sense if we consider that he puts bat in a higher pedestal than cat. Regardless, he is fine living together and having a relationship with bat. Bat is smart, knowledgeable, well endowed in her full form, beautiful beyond compare even in her child form. It is becoming like an excuse rather than a reason.

That is even true in crabs case. They said that he needs her for strength and support but bat is already doing that also. Even the classic, so he would not do it with every girl, crab is his girlfriend. But crab cannot really do that because she is not together with rrrg all the time plus he keeps a lot of secret from her. Bat is like the air that keeps rrrg alive. She is the reason why he think he is alive. If she tells rrrg to stop or else she would leave him, I'm sure he would listen to her.

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>>161854368
>Ougi would've ripped her to shreds which is not what she needed.
She would kill math? What exactly will spooky do?

>>161855906
You know what you have to do

>half of the thread is some triggered shoujofag crying about Crab not being the main heroine
Monogatari is a true masterpiece. Also
>crabfags
That's why we need to have waifuwars, it keeps them at bay

>>161855970
Owarimonogatari is called Owarimonogatari because Owari means end, or final.

Bakemonogatari was also designed to be standalone initially, at least that's what I recall.

>>161856137
I'm pretty sure it was exactly two people complain about the lack of Crab, and one of them said he wasn't even a Crabfag.

>>161855787
Tbh if there was any set if arcs to badly adapt it would be Nise, less character growth and thematic significance and hey, got plenty of solid animation anyways.

>all these people believing Nisio's lies
He planned Monster season back in Kabuki, everything he writes in afterword is complete bullshit, stop believing him

>>161856137
Shinobufags are far more cancerous than crabfags ever were.

>>161855972
nobody cares about crab tbqh, specially not araragi anon

>>161854590
>aggression
In brushing, bee felt that bat is hurting and drowning her in purpose. She even spit all the water over bat and said that it was a revenge for what she did to her. In Orge, bat slapped her needlessly and slipped and told bee that rrrg is brushing her because she just puts anything in her mouth. Bee might have ended swallowing what was in her mouth it she was not lucky. It has become apparent the bat does not approve whatever is going on between bee and rrrg.

>acknowledge
It does matter. As long as bee & rrrg are too cozy with one another bat would not settle down. That is just two occasions. If something like that ever to happen again then we can be really be sure.

>>161856390
>Shinobufags
Go back

>>161856501
H-her dad does. And... um... Kanbaru did before the personality change

>>161854945
>Why
censorship

>>161856531
>In brushing, bee felt that bat is hurting and drowning her in purpose
She was describing Araragi as a frightening mad doctor akin to a killer in the same story, did you think Araragi was actually trying to kill her too?

>bat slapped her needlessly and slipped and told bee that rrrg is brushing her because she just puts anything in her mouth
She slapped to get her to spit out the bell she put in her mouth. That's literally how that scene is described, no injection of headcanon into events required.

No offence man but I think you're seeing things you want to be there but aren't. Within the story she doesn't seem to really give a shit about his sisters the way you're saying he does. I agree with what others were saying before, Shinobu was just looking out for her. Karen is fucking dense so there's a need to be blatant with her. You've got scenes elsewhere in the series where she gets pissy over Araragi's behavior around other girls for comparison even.

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>>161856804
N-NANI?

>>161856531
I don't like Bat that much but you're full of shit. She was simply attempting to straighten Karen out.

The only time Shinobu has been malicious to anyone in the Araragi-harem was in Nadeko Medusa, as well as in Kizu. She's even complimented Crab's cooking.

>>161856531
>In brushing, bee felt that bat is hurting and drowning her in purpose
Araragi was getting off to her writhing and foaming at the mouth in that exact same scene, and continued to do so while he ordered Shinobu to do various things to her.

>>161855569
crab is a fraud. deception and malice is what keeps her blood pumping. she could lie all she wants but con&cat can see through her deception.

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>>161842821
Why did they ruin snek?

>>161857304
I'm not a Snakefag but I think she looks kind of cute like that to be honest.

>>161857304
Because she needs to stop being cute for a while.

>>161857304
Looks cuckable

>>161839513
You dont get to choose the person you love if you truly feel love to him/her

>>161857637
Bullshit, Araragi and Hanekawa are both just assbackwards (in different ways) weirdos.

>>161857304
They just revealed she was always a cunt. Learn a lesson from it anon.

>>161857637
How do you know you are in love? Might as well give cat a chance. She was just there perfectly sitting for him.

>>161857739
Because they had interacted for extended periods of time prior?

>>161839513
Why he would choose a dirty commie instead of a proud daughter of capitalism?

>>161856836
>She slapped to get her to spit out the bell she put in her mouth.
That is not how you get someone to spit something out. Besides, it was just in her mouth like a candy, she would have realized it sooner and spit it out herself. Bat does not need to slap her in the first place and she definitely does not need to tell her about the brushing. That is not headcanon, those are simple facts.
>Karen is fucking dense so there's a need to be blatant with her.
She needs to teach her through violence. That does not sound reasonable.
>Araragi's behavior around other girls for comparison even.
Bee is a different case because she seem to be being too friendly with rrrg compared to others.She said it herself in owari, that rrrg & her are feeding each other with mouth. I've only seen two instance and just giving others a thing to think about. If this happens again in future arcs, we can confirm if bat is really pissed with bee.

>>161857776
That wasn't enough to know you couldn't love her. Fuck he at least liked her to give it a go. But I guess he was indebted to her before he ever had the chance to get to that point.

>>161857817
Is this entire show just one big allegory for the failure of economical systems?
>Crab loses her family, her personality and her weight because of capitalism
>Hanekawa instantly becomes unlikable when she becomes a communist

>>161839513

Because
> A) Senjougahara had the balls to ask him as soon as she knew her feelings.
> B) Because Araragi honestly just could not see himself dating Hanekawa seriously, because of her actions in Kizu, he's put her up on a pedestal and see's her like an angel, not just a normal girl that he can date.

As it is, Hanekawa was better off not dating Araragi within a certain time-frame anyway, since she was pretty emotionally messed up and she would probably have ended up having a dependency problem. Besides, she had a pretty unrealistic imagination of what her relationship with Araragi would be.

Besides, at the very least Senjou is happy for Araragi and herself to live normally, she wouldn't stop him from helping with supernatural shit again, but it's obvious she prefers that they're as normal as they could be, given their situation, which Araragi seems to be able to appreciate/agree with. Meanwhile Hanekawa's off trying to be a goddamn exorcist and can't just slow down for two seconds.

>>161856925
>>161857089
see this
>>161857979
If we see something like that in the future, we have a proof the bat is pissed at her. If rrrg stops doing stuff with karen then we might not see it. But we can't ignore the fact the bat does not karen.

In contrast, bat seems to like bird. I'm not sure if it is because she is an oddity or because of her name which has the word moon on it but in tsukihi brushing, bird noticed that bat showed some concern for her. That is where of all this started. Try to compare the two short stories for yourself and you will see the difference between how bat treats bee and how bat treats bird.

>>161855906
what the fuck I hate you now and want to be you

>>161840692

She tried to take the 'slower approach' but that doesn't really work with Araragi since he's an indecisive idiot. At least Senjou was clear and concise to him about her feelings and what she wanted from the start.

>>161843293
>Aside from those one note vampire hunter guys
Episode is great. Shut the fuck up.

>>161843427
his sister?

>>161858195
>Senjougahara had the balls to ask him as soon as she knew her feelings.
Cat has the balls to allow him to molest and impregnate her in kizu.

>>161858409
He had vampire powers at that point. Remember the charm thing.

Nah man. Allowing him to feel her up before a life threatening moment to give him courage isn't the same. Had she said at that point that she liked him we would be in a different situation.

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>>161848370
Because I'd rather spoil vampires.

>>161857979
It's literally how that scene was described.
>Anyway, because of the slap, I spat out the object in my mouth.
>It was not candy.
>It was a small bell.

Karen didn't realise what it was until after that happened. Shinobu goes on to praise Karen when talking to Araragi at the end of the story, not sure if you're unaware of that or outright pretending that it doesn't happen to try to justify this weird melodrama that you're pretending exists.

As stated by someone before, Araragi was actively enjoying Karen's reactions to what Shinobu was doing to her in Karen Brushing.

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>>161855970
See how half the books have stickers on the front that aren't about the anime? Those are puns on how he wrote the books 100% as a hobby.

>>161859146
>this weird melodrama that you're pretending exists.
You'll notice after a while that this is pretty much all Batfags and Crabfags do every thread. Atleast the most vocal ones anyway.

>>161856176
>Bakemonogatari was also designed to be standalone initially, at least that's what I recall.
Not even that, Hitgai Crab was originally going to be a one-off short story.

>>161859319
Nisio sounds like a man whom hates goodbyes.

>>161859146
All he does is insert head canon into everything. He doesn't even realize he is doing it. Interprets every line, joke, one off thing into some sort of fact. I am a batfan myself but the amount of nonsense he spouts is just retarded, and since he is the most vocal he just makes all batfans look bad in general.

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>>161859204
>Nisemonogatari 1 upside down

>>161857979
>Try to compare the two short stories for yourself and you will see the difference between how bat treats bee and how bat treats bird.
They both end with Koyomi doing mouth-to-mouth with them and Shinobu doing nothing to stop him.

All the rest of those stories seem to confirm is that Karen is for rough crazy sex and Tsukihi is for softcore cuddly stuff.

>>161839513
>What is it about crab that made him choose her over cat?
You are asking the wrong question.
The correct question is "What is it about cat that made him not choose her?"
And the answer is "Araragi thinks she doesn't deserve someone like him".

What the fuck is a Mai Mai? I thought the episode was called Mayoi Snail.

>>161859849
Hachikuji's getting a couple new arcs in Monster Season and one is called "Mayoi Snail", the "Snail" being written in English. Due to that, people are calling the Bake arc "Mayoi Maimai" which is how snail was pronounced in Japanese.

>>161859905
Good, I'm not crazy.

>>161859694
She knows it's just their weird sibling love they have for each other.

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Do you have any of your favourite girl's figures/statues, monog/a/t/a/ri?

Crab doesn't really have anything that appeals to me besides this creepy thing, and it's wildly expensive and apparently has an atrocious paint job.

>>161845277
Proof?

>>161839513
because he's a tasteless faggot.

>>161859905
Mayoi Chikan arc when

>>161860045
>She knows it's just their weird sibling love they have for each other.
Bat is the weird one not them. She is the biggest cuckqueen in the entire series. She gets turned on watching her husbando doing all sorts of nasty stuff on the side and enabling him. That is what cuckqueens do. She is not a vampire, she is just a succubus.

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>>161860472
Do not lewd your hard-working goddess please.

>>161860530
Will Nisio ever run out of puns?

>>161860503
Shinobu just doesn't care, because time is on her side.
She didn't ask for the restoration of the status quo for nothing.

Cat is a harlot, crab is a challenge to be conquered. Crab is the patrician choice.

>>161860621
That is just an excuse. I now understand why RRG called her a succubus in the LN. If I were to root for her, I might as well be called a succufag.rather than a batfag. At least crab does not have a choice because she is being lied to. So, she is not a cuckqueen at all. Only a genuine succubus like Shinobu fits that role.

>>161843947
Black cat is best cat.

>>161860929
Crab is also a collosal pervert who has kissed other girls in front of Araragi, so she might just not mind him playing around with his sisters/Kanbaru/Hanekawa

Shinobu is another matter entirely, but I don't think Crab knows much about her, you're right.

>>161860503
Doujinshi shows Shinobu powering up by drinking Araragi's sperm. Or was it blood from his cock? That is how succubus get their power.

>>161861081
There isn't really much of a difference between vampires and succubi.
After all the vampire is a metaphor for sexual degenerates.

>>161860682
>A challenge to be conquered

You mean Araragi has no real excuse, he just likes drama and crazy bitches.

Good to know.

>>161861151
Crab isn't necessarily crazy, she's just traumatized.

>>161861035
Crab kissing girls in front of him? Who was that girl and when? Even if that is true, she is far less of a cuckqueen than succubu.

Some of them aren't even 18 yet. Isn't all that child pornography to araragi?

>>161861132
So, we might was well call Shinobu as Succubu. Based on what I've heard from previous post, Succubu is fine seeing RRG have his way with his sisters and is fine with RRG doing it with crab too.