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What kind of audience would accept such nonsense writing? I mean that both ways
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I'm only watching this for her at this point.
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My new wife Altair's new look is so cute.
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>>161813959
>not only watching this for her from episode 4 onwards
What is wrong with you?
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>>161813789
>What kind of audience
Japanese audience for sure
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>>161814047
Hard to do when she only had two minutes of screen time every couple of episodes back then.
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>>161814047
I've been watching only for her since the first episode.
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>>161813789

>Soda got Setsuna's glasses wrong

Plot point or animation oversight?
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>>161814224
Hopefully the former.
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>>161814224
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>>161814224
I think it's going to be significant. This is Soda we're talking about so him screwing up would be about right.
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>>161814224
>surprise, hack artist gets details wrong
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>>161814224
There was a close-up of her face, TROYCA's incompetent but not that bad.
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>>161814258
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>>161814258

when she killed herself weren't her glasses red?
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>>161814224
Soda oversight.

Can't expect the dude to remember such minute details perfectly right?
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>>161814461
Yes. He messed up.
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I feel like waiting to marathon it all at once instead of watching it with /a/ is a big mistake that I cna''t erase now
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>>161814461
They were. I don't think that it was an animation fuck up that went on since episode one and I don't think that it's about Soda fucking up either since they bothered to foreshadow it.
>Altair is hat, Soda is glasses
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It saddens me that it took 20 eps of irrelevant fighting, plot twist and holospsicon movement whatever "I win now" to reach what was obviously the only solution.
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>>161814568
The opposite here. It's worth marathoning for a couple of characters but being invested into it for half a year and ending up being disappointed really sucks. The episode 11-16 drag probably doesn't feel like forever when you marathon it either.
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>>161813789
>>161813789
>>161813789
i believe in the golden ending
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>>161814568
I can't even imagine marathoning it, I don't think I could tolerate all that exposition and cliffhanger bait in a row.
Most of the fun for me was watching it with /a/ since it's an original and have all my expectations get crushed as I continued.
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>>161814812
I believe.
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Leave Altair to me
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>>161814604
If Altair lost it wouldn't make sense unless it's the usual overconfident god-like enemy made a dumb mistake that locked her out of victory, we literally knew from the start that she can simply erase anyone since episode 11.
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>>161814812
If Altair ends up good there is an 80% chance she has a revive ability and uses it before the actual reset.
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>>161814910
>>161814910
i believe
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>>161814970
Indeed, that made the whole planning and fighting phase not very interesting since it was doomed to be useless.
Only a minority of developments were actually interesting like bringing back Blitz's daughter, everything else felt pretty boring.
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>>161814993
>>161814993
>>161814910
friend not girlfriend alice it is not pedofile
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>>161814531
What if it's calculated?
>intentional mistake
>Altair sees it
>kills !Setsuna
>public's support shifts against her
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>>161815213
It doesn't matter anymore, the moment the public acknowledge that there is nothing more to do in the bird cage it will collapse.
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>>161815213
Well they're still in the birdcage and it's failing. If Altair goes ballistic she could easily shatter it right now and then everyone is fucked.
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>>161814047
>Watching for her at all

She's a compilation of all the series' flaws, and unique in that she was meant to carry the plot and failed utterly to do so, both as a character and as a potential one-dimensional plot device. She's even lacking that essential element that makes "X did nothing wrong" and "our guy" posts fall hollow, and they're shitposts already.
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>>161814993
you can differentiate a strong friendship a loving relationship if it was a love relationship would have more screen time alice los his companions los his family lost his village and los a friend
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>>161815501
>"X did nothing wrong"
Imagine if Altair actually fought for the rights of the fictional worlds
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>>161815280
>>161815285
The public might be the only hope. Their sheer rejection of Altair and hatred of her as a character and her writing might force a universal rejection, thereby essentially bullying her to death literally with a righteous reason. It would also defeat her in a significant way, as she would both die and realize she utterly failed her creator's reputation and legacy forever, and it would be something completely outside of the protagonists' actions and thus possibly count as a "miracle" as described in episode one.
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>>161815501
X did nothing wrong is used for characters that did everything wrong. Altair was just taking vengeance on extra-dimension existences that literally wished and made her this way.
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>>161815584
you can diferentiate a string friendship a loving relationship if it was a love relationship would have more screen time alice lost his companions lost his family lost his village and lost a friend>>161814993
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>>161815639
Well the audience want's her to win or rather see how her story finishes and they're aware that this is the ending of the show. Either way the birdcage is about to collapse and if it's a pissed off Altair that causes it then everyone is back in the real world and we're right back we started before the ECF.
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>check the past threads
>retards STILL asking about why the government didn't delete all of Altair's fanworks
>that other retard who kept asking about how the goverment couldn't find Altair.

You know, you don't have to make yourself sound like a retard to shit on the show.
Unless you are really that fucking retarded that instead of picking on one of the many actual issues you pick on something that is easily explainable.

Just saying.
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>>161815501
>Meteora: boring exposition bot
>Selesia: jobber that did literally nothing since episode 10
>Alice: concentrated dumb onna kishi
>Mamika: fucking dead for more than half of the show
>Magane: talks about stupid shit way too much
>Altair: autistic notMiku in a military unifrom (my fetish) with bullshit powers
>Rui, Yuuya: literally who
"Watching it for her" doesn't mean I like the show, I just didn't drop it because of her. I hate what they did to Altair. It should have been a show about her from the beginning if Hiroe decided to take that approach in the end anyway.
Still, I think she is better than cardboard cutouts that are the rest of the cast. Selesia was fine in the beginning but then was reduced to I don't even know what. Jobbers at least provide comedy.
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>>161816036
How do you even manage to fuck up so much with these characters, there are endless ways they could have bounced off one another.
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Meteora needed less exposition time and more military stuff summoning time.
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>>161814812
Golden ending
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>I'm screaming something to you
What did she scream to you, /a/?
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>>161816796
true golden ending
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>>161816758
Meteora should have invested more points in reduced casting time. Her spells take forever.
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>>161816855
This, everyone knows you should max blink/ethereal jaunt first and then go with whatever's OP at the time (force push/fireball/lightning probably).
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>>161815649
Altair is literally doing everything wrong. She hasn't even bothered to target the people who bullied her creator to death yet, instead wasting several months doing literally nothing, trying to kill everyone including the people who like her, and bringing in other fictional characters for no reason and basically having them suffer and die for no reason at all. She's literally done nothing right, and not even committed to that character enough to develop as a show-carrying villain or otherwise someone the plot can work with. She's just a dud, a failure, and it's on Hirore and Aoki rather than meta.

>>161815801
Why in the fuck would anyone want to see this badly written wreck of a character win after all the dull bullshit she's just pulled? Troyca would be actively ignoring the consistent precedent set by reality itself when it comes to characters and plots like this.
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I was so sad when Yuya and Sho were killed
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>>161817073
but they aren't cubed yet
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>>161816036
Altair is also a boring exposition bot who does dumb shit with poor motives and terrible ways of ever fulfilling them. She's practically absent for half of the series, characters around her lose all chances of being fleshed out or getting notable screen time, she's never received development as a fleshed-out character or a crippled plot device, and there's a horrible divide between the "popular" Internet her and the villainous her where it's impossible to tell why she ever got popular and her powers effectively get made up on the spot.
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So it was Altair who said "My dear companion" to Setsuna. At least that part of the episode one foreshadowing is cleared up. This suggests Altair eventually leaves on good terms with Setsuna and the the world. "I might be you or might not be" actually makes sense now.
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>>161817120

They looked pretty bad. It's probably only a matter of time.
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>Souta gets his daughter Sirius to beat up his daughter Altair
Souta is a shit father.
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This is getting too meta for me.
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I am very disappoint that Gigas Machina didn't self-destruct. Giant robots are supposed to get a heroic ending by ejecting their pilot and then self-destructing to take down the enemy. Gigas Machina was denied that.
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Ugh this is so cheesy and terrible. This would've been better without Soda and his baggage.
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>>161817370
I guess they didn't want to do it because Selesia already kind of did that in the previous episode.
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>>161817370
I don't understand.
Infinity God Machine still hasn't played but it looks like Rui is done fighting.
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>>161817400
You got the glasses wrong, you colossal faggot.
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>>161817400
Fuck you for making that
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>>161817370
It's a bummer that the mecha pilot and the magical girl turned out to be so irrelevant, I thought they'd be the most fun characters to deal with since the genres they come from are such staples with so many cliches to parody.
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>>161813789
Only the sunk costs fallacy keeps me watching now.
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>>161813789
Dude, the one of main "Creators" is a fucking Isekai writer who made another I-don't-believe-that-is-not-Sword-Art-Online, and in this universe he is a good writer
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RIP Bayard and Hangaku
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>>161817400
It seems Souta is a man of refined tastes.
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>>161817501
>>161817512
Made it last week, figured Soda would give his oc waifu a few more "upgrades." His oc is even branded with his glasses
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>>161817582
Which one are you claiming is I-don't-believe-that-is-not-Sword-Art-Online?
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So somebody's gonna help him back up yeah?
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>mfw Setsuna has Sota's glasses because she is being seeing through his glasses
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>>161817154
Altair has a great design and some scenes with her are worth watching. I hate her as a character but that's more than what can be said about the rest of the cast.
Good guys are supposed to be over the top otherwise they just feel bland. "I want to save the world because muh honor/muh world/muh revenge/muh oath/I'm a protagonist". I've seen this gay little story so many times I just can't bring myself to care and lack of any character interaction certainly doesn't help. What are even Rui's character traits other than being a generic mecha protag who lectured Soda on being a faggot once (which didn't lead to anything anyway)? Hell if I know. The only character that got any interesting development is Alice and she is an embodiment of steretypical secondary girl you can find in every fantasy VN ever. Fucking hell.
Magane could be alright but she participated in 6 episodes total and all she ever did was entry level sophistry. Watching this show for her past episode 9 would be a total waste.
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So, Altair is a meme?
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>>161813789
Only about half like the fans and hater of SAO because of Altair being a bullshit Mary Sue Fanmade OC character that destroy the show for me at least and there was no way the hero could fight her in the first place so I knew the ending which Setsuna and how it was going to get there it would of bet better if Setsuna didin't show up and I find another way to beat her but they didn't and made all the character useless.

The show would of bet better if she started losing all her power do to hater and make more sense then all the people in that place and watching accepting her bullshit when there would always be people who hate it and that would most likely be half of them like SAO was half hated and half love.

At this point I have to say it but I think Shark was the best character because I couldn't see what she would do next or how stuff will turn out which her as long as character were not being completely plot dumb around her
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>>161814224
You guys know Souta never saw Setsuna before she killed herself.

>God of Ink hasn't been used
>Souta and Altair are never going to have their confrontation.
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>>161817944
I find it weird that EVERYONE except the psycho wants to go back and be the shiteater audience's bitch forever, especially after spending so much time in the real world. Even fucking Blitz doesn't mind now.
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>>161818246
He just wanted his child back and as long as he get that he wouldn't care
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>>161817944
Altair's design is a mess. The hat's too big and front-heavy, it needs special sections just for her hair, the hair blends together too much and has no definition, the pigtails don't really stand out at all, the arm band can't stay up because it's too big and the designers fucked up, the dress awkwardly billows out, the heels are too steep, the spurs are useless, she wears no pants and is thus poorly balanced and ruins her look when seen from below (and she likes to fly a lot at that), she has no place to keep her actual weapons, and the brown things on the dress serve no function and would be horrible for holding swords and/or guns (if that's even their purpose) even if she used them for anything.

As for scenes, all she does is say some vague shallow shit and bitch. It's nothing. It doesn't connect, it doesn't fit a proper theme, and she doesn't even have a lack of theme and being incomplete as her character. She's just an all-around disaster and as generic and worthless as the lot of them.
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>>161817154
>the villainous her where it's impossible to tell why she ever got popular and her powers effectively get made up on the spot.

This is what's so fucking confusing. She wants to literally kill everyone because DeviantArt was mean to her creator. She is never shown in-series as being sympathetic or heroic, she's either smug, angry, or sitting on that fucking couch.
Hikayu's line about Altair being the hero the audience chose makes no sense because those are all supposed to be popular characters. It's impossible to believe that the entire audience would root for a new edgelord DeviantArt OC rather than their waifu or fujobait. Does the in-universe audience know more about her than we do?
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>>161818300
t. Animation Drone who had to draw Altair
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>>161818306
>Does the in-universe audience know more about her than we do?
yes actually. they know the tie in stories to the ECF. Also, a villain that originates from fandom shitting on established characters would be hilarious and awesome irl.
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>>161818306
>Does the in-universe audience know more about her than we do?
We never get the point of view of the audience, it's a serious flaw of the show with "acceptance" being an important plot point.
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>>161818292
That's why he should raise her in a relatively safer world, imagine Code Babylon's sales dropping and Suruga deciding to do more edgy shit to keep the interest alive.
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>>161818306
Altair is a famous meme who is extremely popular and probably has a bunch of waifufags.
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>>161817759

Such is the fate of a supporting character
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>>161818300
>>161817154

I love how garbageanon is so obvious even when he is not saying garbage/Komatsu/good writing
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>>161818426
This is silly. If that were the case she would have a bunch of doujins and her powers would include being a mindbroken cocksleeve.
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>>161818300
Her design is aesthetically pleasing. It's not a real unifrom, I don't give a shit if brown things are useful.
Her scenes are the only entertaining fights except the one in episode 2.
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I wonder if Altair would be weakened if everyone started lewding her
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>>161818453
They are not me, though. Are you that retarded thinking everyone would love this trash?
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>>161818464
Goddamn, fucking watch the show. How can you faggots talk so much shit but still manage to not understand so many simple details like this?
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>>161818464
>>161818495
We've already been over this, no she wouldn't, fuck off.
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>>161818464
They literally said that she can chose what to use, you stupid faggot, holy shit.

What's next? Are going to ask about why the government couldn't find her or why the government didn't delete her fanworks too?
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>>161818521
This is the first time you've posted in this thread.
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>>161818453
kek. It's a shame the hatetboner thread is the only one active, I really want to talk about the episode without someone trying to tell me how much they hate it
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I was thinking about watching this when it ends. How good did it end up being? Watched episode one then put it on the backlog.
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Well I guess that's it for the fighting. The next two episodes are going to be meta and dialogue. Unless Soda gave revived Setsuna powers to fight Altair that is.
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>>161818374
The animators are idiots for not raising their complaints when the design was first made. It's foolish to let something the team can't draw be approved for the series. Regardless, the design really is a clusterfuck, but that has nothing to do with how easy or hard it is to draw. The design is just sloppy all around, and Hiroe and Troyca have given us no reason to believe that it was an intentional element about OCs as opposed to them just messing up.
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>Magane packing up and leaving this shitshow of a plan

If the government team had a name for this plan it's probably been renamed to Operation: Fuck-up by now
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>>161818464
what part of she can choose her powers can't you understand?, she can use all the powers freely because she has a loose canon, but they don't affect her personality or her looks (until now) otherwise she would become a chibi each time she uses the clone skill, besides with a lot of people putting different interpretations on her personality it's very probable for them to cancel out each other
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Are your prepared to see altair cry?
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>>161818453
I'm not the fag who can't say the name Meteora. Believe me, she's a waste of space too. She should have been phased out to a minor role a long time ago, but instead the person with the least to offer got most of the screen time.
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So what happened?
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>>161818547
Yes. Don't we have janitor or mods to verify the IPs? I'm not like you who don't have life and keeping vigilant 24/7 for people who don't like this shit show of yours.
It must be shocking to know that not everyone are retards like you.
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"Re: Creators is a classic in the making" - Mother's Basement
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>>161818673
>e-celebs
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>>161818472
It doesn't look very aesthetic to me. It's a mess with no proper definition or balance to it. Hell, she's got a ton of swords and a whopping eight scabbards minimum and all of them are empty and would be stabbing her in the legs if the weren't.

Not sure why you're rating her fights so highly either. They're basically a same-old pattern.
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>>161814185
I only watched three episodes of this, are you saying I'll have to drag myself through 15+ episodes in order to actually get to sleep her do something?
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>>161818708
Nobody cares, her design has been popular from the very first day, thats a fact no matter what pseudo amateur knowledge you possess to describe aesthetics.
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>>161818635

>I'm not like you who don't have life
>says while having literally threads and hours of convos repeating "garbage" like an actual autistic fuck

We can even check the archives if you want.
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>>161818708
Yet the pattern of you think of something to counter attack me and I pull some bullcrap out of no where because no canon or you keep attacking me and it does nothing
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>>161818708
Artists and community opinion > your opinion. These are obviously not scabbards.
Because her fights were the only entertaining fights in the show except Mamika-Selesia an eternity ago. Don't make me repeat myself just beacause you are autistic.
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>>161818673
Re:Creators is alright, but not good enough to be remembered by anybody past this season.
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>>161818383
Matsubara implied that she still didn't have a thorough backstory or setting, though. That's why they half-assed Sirius.
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>>161818798
To check that you don't have life? Why would you that?
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What I don't get is who the hell gave Altair all those meta-narrative powers that only matter in scenarios like the one in Re:Creators.
I really don't understand the thought process behind this.
Sure she should be overpowered as fuck, since she's an OC that spread like a virus and has an autistic fanbase that keeps reproducing her and adding to her narrative, but that has nothing to do with powers like "I can erase the plot now."
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>>161818798
What's it now, 8 weeks?
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>>161818831
In some shots the brown cases didn't appear to have any bottoms to them, suggesting scabbards. Even if they're not though, they run into another flaw where they're too deep and narrow to really be viable bags or pockets. Hell, her own square gauntlets would get in the way of trying to reach into those things. She literally can't reach into her pocket.
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>there is a guy
>right now
>in this thread
>seriously arguing that a design not being practical/realistic/overdetailed means it's not appealing

WHAT THE FUCK?
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So how are they going to end this clusterfuck? They still have 2 episodes left.

Is Setsuna going to talk Altair out of her plan (which would be lame as fuck)?

Or is Altair going maximum sperg after seeing Setsuna defiled, losing audience approval, making her vulnerable or gets her deleted from existance?
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>>161819075
It's the bitch-and-cry thread. They'll hold on to whatever they can.
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>>161819095
The first one will happen. If the second happens then Altair shatters the birdcage and everyone is fucked.
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>>161818975
Altair is exactly like that episode of South Park where they're all pretending to be ninjas and Cartman is an asshole that keeps making up new powers.
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>>161819055
There is a picture of her sword in a scabbard on the vol. 1 BD. Again, I don't give a shit if they are functional. Next you will say that Selesia's paizuri window has no practical use.
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>>161819095
She will start talking to Setsuna within her to figure this shit
It's gonna be interesting
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>>161819095
Altair is going sperg the fuck out about watching her mother get Train'd. Altair will break the birdcage and cause the end of the world.

God of Ink will start rolling and we will get Souta vs. Altair. Souta will win, talk shit out with Altair, then rebuild the world with a massive mind wipe with him remembering everything.
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>>161817743
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>>161819273
It's a funny premise but Soda has no power now that this has been set into motion. He's along for the ride just like everyone else now.
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>>161817759
Basically Asuna
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>>161818975
Also, why does the audience think of Altair as the hero in the story, like eroge-girl says.
She constantly behaves like a villain and the majority of the audience usually wants villains to lose.
Especially the fans of the characters she already killed would turn on her, wouldn't they?
And that's not getting into the fact that she she doesn't even deliver an interesting narrative because she no-sells every attack the other creations try on her. I guess she only makes sense in the way John Cena does.

Which leads me to my follow-up question. Why didn't they just bring John Cena to this world?
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>>161819507
No would be able to see him, therefore he wouldn't get as much acceptance as Altair.
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>>161819507
Even John Cena sells for a while before ignoring all of it. She's just a "nothing personnel" copypasta of effortlessly defeating a bunch of people in an edgy way played seriously. It's the ultimately way to not be likeable or popular at all.
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>twenty episodes
>the giant badass robot has done literally nothing
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>>161819604
I'd argue that no one had done anything.
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>>161819507
She addresses the audience and promises an interesting story. They are literally watching to see what she does next
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>>161819507
>being literal about what Hikayu said
No, the audience accepted her as a villain, is just that in this case they are rooting for the villain.
>and the majority of the audience usually wants villains to lose.
It's not uncommon to want the villain to win.

This is proven by the fact here in IRL we have plenty of people wanting Altair to win
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>>161819649
But she never does anything interesting. God, I just don't understand the Japanese.
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http://www.strawpoll.me/13847465
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>>161819649
You'd think the writers would construct the cage to make the heroes the most interesting ones.

>>161819654
Why would the audience root for a villain with such poor writing behind her who has made legit popular series look really bad? This crossover she's in even spoiled a twist in one of the actual series. Generally something on that level is considered a shitshow and the OCs are disliked.
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>>161819095
> The next episode will come into its own ass and be 2deep4you but in practice it will be 20 minutes of talk that sums up "an hero girl: stop it" then "Altair: ok"

> last episode, it will show that everything is ok, and everyone lived happily ever after
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>>161819095
>going maximum sperg after seeing Setsuna defiled, losing audience approval, making her vulnerable or gets her deleted from existance?

That's what I'm hoping for

Those 2 really might be the only options at this point, but a talk no jutsu seems like the worst one.
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I really hope Soda dies.
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I still dont understand where the fuck Sirius popped out from. Did I miss an episode where they introduced her? I was expecting them to summon Altaris base character form, not some random existance with canonically no personality thats only allowed to be real for 5 minutes.
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>>161819988
He will make a lot of babies with the Shark
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>>161819988
That would be the best ending but sadly it won't happen.
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>>161818162
God of Ink is such a masterpiece. Easily in my top 20 tracks
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>>161820014
They teased her in episode 14 and 16. But yeah for some reason Shiro didn't pop-up. She looked like such a counterbalance to Altair's personality.
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Please win Altair!
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The reason that Setsuna is wearing Sota's glasses is simple.

He didn't bring her back to life, or rewind things to the past.

He RECREATED the past, this time having remained close to Setsuna instead of pushing her away.
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Altair 420th movement [O MY HOLOSCOPION]
Causes the show to flop every time an episode comes out.
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>>161820354
Soda doesn't deserve that much credit.
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>>161820354
Holy shit this sounds very interesting
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>>161820354
I still want Souta to fuck it up because that looks so obvious and more fun
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Is there a name for this trope?
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>>161820354
Or the animators fucked up.
Come one, which is more believable.
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>>161820466
Some VA made a big deal out of the glasses in an early interview from what I remember so they can't possibly fuck that up
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>closing near to the end
I really hope that Altair fulfill her wish.
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>>161820354
You guys know Soda stopped seeing Setsuna after she became popular which is after their date. He had no way of knowing she changed her glasses since their date.
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I think Soda will make Setsuna kill herself again not to stop Altair, but because he resents her.
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>>161813789
This episode was bad. Such a disappointment how this bird cage finale is going.
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>>161820662
Setsuna will cyberbully Altair and make her kill herself.
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>>161820662
That would actually be hilarious.
Imagine if Altair was caught in a world where Setsuna endlessly respawns and without saying a word jumps in front of a train. Rinse and repeat. Rinse and repeat ad infinitum.
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>>161820662
>>161820743
Both of these ideas are terrible but I can see them happening.
I hope the in-anime audience hates the end as much as we do so it can at least be a bit fun.
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>>161820977
I think that would just make the hate Team Meteora since it's pretty evil. They really didn't care too much for the Sirius deal either.
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>>161821062
Yeah, that's why I'd see the audience hating the end, since it's just a bunch of guys bullying a lone girl.
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>>161821062
They are just way too driven to stop Altair, at any cost. This problem with the glasses and the whole ordeal of bringing a doll in to deal her a finishing blow, they are way too past thinking the implications and are hoping for something will stick.
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Setsuna will address the creators in the audience directly:
>Stop making up stupid shit for my character, you shitlords! I never intended her to be some edgelord Mary Sue, you uncreative hacks. Non of this is canon. Why don't you make up your own shit instead of piggy backing off of a dead woman's work. You should be ashamed!

Thus Altair loses the foundation of her existence.
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>>161821261
>They are just way too driven to stop Altair, at any cost.
Team Government is stupid as fuck but Altair literally wants to end the universe, so they don't really have a choice.
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I would love it if Setsuna didn't know who Altair was.
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>>161821538
Alternatively, she does remember her but is kinda ashamed of her early work, like most artists and would rather the audience forget about it.
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>>161821538
There will almost certainly be some element of "You're not the Altair I created!" or some such bullshit to make Altair feel bad.
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>>161821532
Altair never actually said she wants to end the world.
This is just what team Meteora believes.
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>>161821717
If the show wants to keep bullshit to a minimum, she will blame Soda for being a spineless cunt who didn't help her at all. Altair is the manifestation of her darkness.
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>>161813789
>Audience in the show loves it
>Audience outside the show actually thinks it's trash
Troika didn't think this one trough did they?
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>>161821672
World Etude was her last work though.
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>>161821835
I'm enjoying it.
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>>161816823
Something
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Nothing makes me cringe more than when something happens in a show and you know whoever wrote it thought "god this is going to be epic" but it just falls flat in its face. Souta and sharteeth going " a lie about a lie" and fading to black was so fucking tryhard "epic anime moment" but it's so shit. This show is like a fucking Zack Snyder movie, it tries to have a bunch of epic setpieces but the characters, plot and fuckign everything about it suck so much that none of it works.
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Seriously though, why did anyone think this show was a good idea? 90% of this show's """plot"""" consists in technobabble and literally making shit up. Who fucking cares?
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>>161821951
Isn't it you that are trying too hard watching this?

I liked that scene btw
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>>161821862
Maybe she killed herself because of all the original work she created and poured her heart into was ignored and the fans only latched onto a trash OC she created on a whim, while badmouthing everything else.

That would take the wind straight out of Altair's sails.
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>>161821951
The irony of this post.
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>>161821988
you
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>>161822050
She killed herself on the same day she uploaded the video. I doubt that it became a meme in a couple of hours.
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>>161820182
Wtf I don't remember this at all, I'll have to rewatch those
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>>161818673
>Re:Creators is one of the most intelligent anime airing this season
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>>161822050
I think you should rewatch the episode where the video was shown.
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>>161822050
>Maybe she killed herself because of all the original work she created and poured her heart into was ignored and the fans only latched onto a trash OC she created on a whim, while badmouthing everything else.

I'm not sure if speewatcher is enough to describe you
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>>161822167
>I think you should rewatch the episode
I'm not rewatching any of this shit. I'll take your word for it.
There are good shows on my backlog.
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What if Setsuna just slipped?
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>>161822279
then don't bother posting retarded shit if you are not even paying attention
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>>161821835
I love it the way it goes.
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>>161822309
What if she was pushed?
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>>161822367
By Soda
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>>161822333
Because it's kinda fun, I guess.
It's been literal months since the show started and most of the relevant information has been drowned out by Meteora's exposition dumps and the plots of other, more interesting shows. This is the first time in a while something actually exciting happened, renewing some of my interest in the show.
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I unironically really like this anime, and I can't imagine how it will end.
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>>161822713
Same here.
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>>161822713

There are only 2 options though >>161819095
, but yeah, can't really imagine which one will be.
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I want to hope Setsuna will defeat Altair. I will be really mad if Altair kills Setsuna aka 'sweet night, my dear friend. I will punish who is perturb your eternal peace', Souta will become berserked and pwn Altair with a retard powers.
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>>161819352
Vogelchevalier isn't an isekai
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>still inside the reality marble
Come the fuck on.
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>>161823667
There is no isekai in Re:Creators, other than the whole deal with the creations coming to life
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dere altair in the next episode?
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>>161823757
> There is no isekai
Birdcage is a controllable isekai.
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>>161823878
Maybe. I guess it depends on if they're going to spend the entire last episode doing the epilogue.
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>re:creators
>secret:roar
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>>161823878
Yes. My acceptance for that is through the roof. I won't be able to see Altair dying.
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I would have prefered it if Altair was merely a Gilgamesh clone with a keikaku whose main abilitiy was shitting out swords instead of an edgy brat with omnipotent bullshit powers. It just makes the outcome so boring and predictable when nothing can touch her.
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>>161823878
DERE ALTAIR
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>>161824392
nothing SHOULD touch her, she is too pure!
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>>161823878
I would be happy if soda's trump card turns out to be a trivial distraction that altair quickly overcomes too.
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>>161823757
I know, I'm just addressing the guy who said Matsubara was an isekai writer
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>>161824449
Hopefully we can keep it at that. Because this show is not that famous. Pure Altair is pure! Anything else is not canon!
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>>161824500
It looks like he messed up on her glasses then Altair will probably see though it.
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>>161822011
I don't think it was that great. They telegraphed it way too hard and many people already expected setsuna. So it was hardly a surprise
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>>161824392
I'm enjoying powerlevel meta goddess Altair. Only someone like her could make anime real. It's creators aspect taken to its logical limit. She's beyond comparison with Gilgamesh.
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>>161813789
So..

What exactly made this episode shit?
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>>161824707
Some people weren't blown away by the cliffhanger and are crying the show is predictable, from Souta taking one of two choices
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>>161824707
That it's 20 minutes long
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The twist is that you knew about the twist all along.
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>>161824756
>waaaaaaaaaah ive watched so much anime and I'm 35 years old, how come I can't derive enjoyment from shows like this anymore?

t. trainwreck posters
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Altair sort of reminds me of that moth girl from Layers of White.
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Leave Altair to me.
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>>161825021
the true protagonist
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>>161825021
>>161825096
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>>161825133
>>161825096
>>161825021
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>>161824756
Yeah I certainly wouldn't pat myself on the back for calling that one.
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>>161825189
>>161825133
>>161825096
Was Selesia the most cucked female of Re:Creators.

>Her boyfriend from her world aligned with Altair.
>Her real life boyfriend got stolen by Shark.
>She had to kill yourself.
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>>161825261
if I was a girl I'd get mad if anyone thought I was in a relationship with souta
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>>161825253
I genuinely want to see Altair face Setsuna or be put in a situation where she can interact with her, it has to be one of the top things that need to be shown with her, of course the second being Souta.
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>>161825367
Implying Souta wouldn't be the best fuck toy.
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>>161825096

Hikayu is Selesia's replacement. She's saying all the lines Selsia would be expected to say if she were still alive. Poor Selesia replaced by a JC character.
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>>161824756
>>161824775
I just think it was retarded of them to think introducing a deus ex machina would somehow be 'accepted' by people. It was very clear people wouldn't like it.. if that's even how this works at this point.
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So sad that they just left Sho lying face down in the street.
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Souta's necklace turned into real gold didn't it?
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>>161825367
The more I think about it the better a shitty slice of life sounds than what we have now. I would be happy with more

>Selesia-neesan
>Yuuya and Rui fucking around the town
>Magane messing with Souta
>Neet-hime and DadTalker

Throw Alice working at a convinience store or something.
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>>161825594
Really hard to argue that because I'm getting what I wanted to see all along
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Being a recreation of a creator can Setsuna create characters?
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>>161825617
His number one fan will find him.
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I'm going to miss Bayard and Hangaku.
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>>161825738
Do the creations have creativity?
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>>161825852
If written that way yes
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>>161825896
Creations.. Becoming creators. Wow. What happens to their creators?
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>>161825993
They become Re:Creators
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Altair is gonna be sota's new sister after this ends
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>>161826022
>In the end, we truly were Re:Creators
What did they mean by this?
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>>161825379
but altair is setsuna
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>>161826042
Hope so.
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>>161826163
Who knows? Maybe. If Erina reveal taught me something, it's not a good idea to speculate identities
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Who'd actually watch this garbage and seeing their favorite character getting stomped by doujinshit character amusing at all?
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If only we can get enough approval rating to summon Darks.
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>>161826396
Everyone,
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>>161826235
well if the details in NAKED apply to the show at all isn't there a scene in it where altair wakes up in tears and its implied that the one that was actual crying was setsuna
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Wait didn't Magane Imp'y that recreation Setsuna would be Godlike?
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>>161826396
Me but I would recognize that it was just a dumb crossover and not take it seriously other than some entertainment.
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>>161826396
I'd pay to see Altair kick goku's ass or beat any of the yugioh Protagonists in a duel.
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>>161813789
IF we won't win against her....maybe, just maybe.....

WE CAN BARGAIN.
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>>161826578
No. All they did was ignore the acceptance required to bring the Setsuna character into the show.
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>>161826181
I wouldn't mind being Sota if that's the case then, and we will become Wincester siblings.
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>>161826578
Because she knows that its a failure and altair is the real god setsuna. She's 4d chessing everyone for altair
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>>161813789
Anybody who says this anime is a "classic in the making" is full of fucking shit. This will be like SAO all over again. In a few years everyone will act like they hated it all along, because that's the new way that everyone's looking at it.
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>>161826617
sorry strange but you gotta deal with the God of stories Loki thou. Fuck actually that would be a great match up Loki v Altair The God of stories vs a donut steel who doesn't have a story
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I think there is more too Recreation Setsuna than it seems. Recreation Setsuna is a "Lie", but due to Magane's power this Recreation will be uncannily like the real one even if Souta didn't write her that way.
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Apologize
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>>161813789
FUCK THIS ANIME
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>>161826617
I guess trapping Altair in a time loop won't even work, huh?
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>>161826911
The recreation Setsuna is exactly as Souta made her to be, wrong glasses and all. The lie only brought her into the ECF.
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>>161826964
As long Altair is having fun she won't stop that loop.
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>>161824629
I still had fun though
have fun and enjoy the ride
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>>161826938
No. She still is a crazy slut.
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Don't you sometimes wish that Altair wasn't overpowered?
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>>161813789
It's actually Setsuna(Soda)
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Souta's is going to recreate the suicide of Setsuna and creation of Altair, giving her an official canon story that audience latch to, causing all the meme powers to be removed.
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>>161825261

To be fair, Charon was worth holding out for. Fucking look at the guy! I bet he has a cock ten inches long.
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Can somebody translate this?
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>>161827699
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what i expected: "what if anime was real?"
what i got: "what if memes were real?"
a little late but it did get turned up to eleven
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>>161825766
Why couldn't we get the crossovers as the other manga instead of a retelling of the TV series? It would make so much sense as a supplemental product.
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>>161826396
>My favorite character beaten by some smirking bitch and O MY HOLOPSICON
This would piss me off to no end.
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>>161828016
Can you imagine Re:Creator's /a/ reaction to the whole thing?
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>>161826396
Maybe if it were 1 vs 1. All they are seeing is their favorite main characters fighting a chuunishly evil enemy? And who doesnt want the bad guys to win for once?
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>>161828016
>getting mad at dumb crossovers
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>Mastubara somehow became some sort of Commander figure
Thats kind of funny.
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NOOOOOOOOO MORE ASSPULLS
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>>161828157
>>161828109
You know that Selsiafags were absolutely roasting Alicefags for getting BTFO so badly.
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>>161828205
>Front page is nothing but "Leave Altair to me" thread with different characters.
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>>161828197
well he wrote most of the crossover, remember how he was arguing with Kubo?
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I doubt that Setsuna could do anything to convince Altair to stop.
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>>161828263
Yeah I get that but hes also in front of the command office. I find it funny its not really Meteora giving the real orders, or the military or whatever, its that fucking LN writer.
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>>161828200
birdcage
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>>161828370
>still not drinking game for every time they say bird cage or acceptance
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>>161814371
What's with "wwwwwwww" thing? I have never seen it before? What does it mean?
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>>161829060
newfags out
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>Magane
>Ma - True; Gane - Gold

>GOLDIE : LIEGOD
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>>161814550
It all returns to nothing.
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>>161829060
Only because this seems like a really stupid thing to bait with, it's japanese "lol", iirc the lore is that w looks like a laughing mouth.
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>>161829185
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>>161828157
The problem there is that the show has monologued twice about how stories are important because we see characters struggle and overcome obstacles. They're beacons of hope for us.
But the in-show audience actually wants Altair to kill/maim their heroes. So is the show saying that we want to see the world burn?
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>>161829641
>But the in-show audience actually wants Altair to kill/maim their heroes.

just like in real life

> So is the show saying that we want to see the world burn?

kind off, but mainly that sometimes people root for the villain too
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>>161813789

See, I think I've got it. I think I get the problem.

The problem with this show is that the focus is all wrong. The focus of this show is on the Creators, the people who make anime: However, the only people who are actually remotely interesting are the Creations!

I mean, I don't give a shit about Tomino, but I like Amuro from Mobile Suit Gundam. Same for (to use a plebian example) Reki Kawamura and, say, Kirito from SAO.

Creators, like most people in real life, are REALLY BORING INDIVIDUALS. Miura is way less interesting than Guts and Griffith, because he's just a nerd who likes Idolmaster way too much. The show should have focused nigh-exclusively on the Creations, with flashbacks as to their 'anime'. In fact, Souta probably shouldn't even have existed.

It's like how Blitz's arc shouldn't have ended with him getting his daughter back. His arc should've ended with him about to shoot femUrobochi, and then he finds himself looking down the barrel of Code: Babylon's actual protagonist, who has been summoned to face him down.

Then it should have ended with Blitz trying - and failing - to outdraw him, and his sidekick saying, sadly "...I was always faster than you. I'm sorry." and Blitz going "You really have become...an excellent detective..." before perishing.
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Reminder it was all Marine's fault
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>>161829185
That's a lie.
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>>161830065
Of course.
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>>161829812
>but mainly that sometimes people root for the villain too
this, but also the fact that fighting to destroy the world is basically the only evil characteristic of Altair. she's easy for the audience to sympathize with.
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>>161826042
Incest with Altair in a school uniform or bust.
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Reminder that Altair is just a supporting character.
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100% fuckable
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>>161830129
>that fighting to destroy the world is basically the only evil characteristic of Altair.
When has Altair ever expressed an emotion that wasn't sadism, rage, or condescension?
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>>161830156
>mal
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>hurr why is the in-universe audience accepting all of Altair's bullshit?
>when people here were practically rooting for her since ep 1

Everyone seems to forget that she was already popular before the crossover and she has only been gaining more acceptance since then.
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>>161830152
>>161826042
>Altair is Souta's daughter through influence
>Sirius is Souta's daughter through creation.
>Altair merged with Sirius
>Altair has Setsuna in her (In-some way) being her own mother.
>Sirius/Altair becomes Souta's sister
>Sirius/Altair are also Souta's daughters.
>Sirius/Altair is their own mother.
How can we go further than this?
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>>161830264
I only started watching this show because of Altair.
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>>161830246
what happened to her pantsu?
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>>161830019
>Creators, like most people in real life, are REALLY BORING INDIVIDUALS.
Too many worthless MCs syndrome.
>In fact, Souta probably shouldn't even have existed.
Now you're just being silly, no one is as MC as the real MC, and we need a talentless sack of shit to self-insert properly and stay interested.
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>>161830252
When she was talking to Blitz or conversing with Setsuna internally or whatever that was.
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>>161830288
Who didn't?
I saw her design and thought "I gotta watch this"
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>>161830019
Souta isn't the MC. He is the narrator to tell the story. The Main Character is the person the events of the story was focused around.

The Main Character is Setsuna.
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>>161830252
world étude
>My voice hoarse from screaming, still no answer to be heard
>Searching for a familiar face in this ending world

>here with my damaged ideals and never turn around
>the sky begins to fall apart into fragments
>As I close my eyes and try to find the place
>in my dreams

And also in regards to Blitz, though she prioritizes her mission over everything.
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>>161830288
Same, she is probably my favorite designed character ever.
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>>161830326
acceptance of her panties was too low so they disappeared.
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>>161830337
Didn't that conversation end with her vowing that she was going to end the world, though? She's really more like a Mr. Freeze or other villain that does all kinds of villainous shit for one dead person.
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>>161830264
Because to us they all the same no name characters who we have no affections for, unlike the in-universe audience.
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>>161830480
She is incoming Slaine 2.
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>>161830448
I don't remember why I started watching this. I think it was a webm of the gun/violin from the first episode that got me. I'm unironically enjoying it right now and I hope Altair gets a good end.
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>>161830252
you're listing fairly justifiable reactions to her anger at the world of creators for letting her creator die, as well as discovering atrocities like >>161830337
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>>161830613
I think it's fine so far, better than I expected but it all hangs on what happens next episode.
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>>161830513
And Altair is the most popular of them all. Even if a few waifufags truly hate their waifu dying in any way, even one that is really compatible with their personalities (that they know much better than us), Altair has more waifufags anyway.
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>>161818571
>off to cause chaos in Europe... or Merrica.
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DO YOU LIKE ALTAIR?
http://poal.me/lt3hhw
http://poal.me/lt3hhw
http://poal.me/lt3hhw
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I want to depower Altair and rape her, giving her more reasons to end the world.
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>still no hatless Hime
Probably the only thing I'm really disappointed about.
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>>161830480
>She's really more like a Mr. Freeze or other villain that does all kinds of villainous shit for one dead person.
It's villainous from the perspective of an inhabitant of the creators' world. She has only been there long enough to be disgusted. It's easily argued that a world which so easily creates and manipulates other worlds for entertainment is itself not a just world.
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Why don't they just summon popeye?
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>>161830086
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>>161830891
And there will never be one, since she is now Sirius.
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>>161814461
Those are Souta's glasses
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>>161830966
I just noticed, Sirius is a mix between Altair and Meteora
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>>161830933
because Altair can just delete his spinachs
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>>161830966
Who is Sirius?
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If Setsuna can't leave the birdcage I think I know what the obvious end for Altair is.
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>>161831026
nah, she will transform them into burgers
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>>161830891
>Still not hatless Hime
>Only thing I'm disappointed about.
A lie within a lie.
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>>161831017
Altair herself is partially inspired in every character Setsuna liked though. Her clothes design have some traces of inspiration in Blitz jacket for example.
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>>161830932
>From my perspective, the Jedi are evil!
Altair does the all same shit that they do.
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Is the plan to force Altair to watch Setsuna commit suicide again and hope for total mindbreak?
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>>161831064
That will lure Meteora out of hiding.
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>>161831154
That would make it AOTD, so it will not happen
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Souta and co. wrote stories because they are are Creators.

Selesia and co. go on amazing journeys because they are Creations.

Altair changes stories and realities because she is a Re:Creator
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>>161831154
It's probably a plan to get Altair to stay in the birdcage with Setsuna forever since Setsuna can't leave and for Setsuna to be the actual Setsuna, to become the actual Setsuna or to be accepted as Setsuna by Altair.
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>>161826396
I'm finding it amusing so they're doing something right
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>>161813789
There is a reason why this anime was a huge flop. The audience are all flocking to the 3hz original this time around.
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>>161831154

If only the show had a twist like that. But really, you could tell they lost all courage when Souta wasn't directly responsible for Setsuna's death. (Which, by the way, makes you wonder why he's even here.)
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>>161830932
>It's easily argued that a world which so easily creates and manipulates other worlds for entertainment is itself not a just world.
The show started off arguing that stories are meant to inspire hope, which justifies cruel plot twists. The high audience approval for all of the heroes dying horribly shows otherwise. It's like the show itself turned around and agreed with Altair.
>Muh low sales
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>Souta stole Setsuna's character
>Drew it himself and made her his OC
>He even got her to be in an anime special, credited with the character, and the character got enough love to materialize.
Souta is a true sociopath and got away with what fucking ruined Setsuna's career. This is hardcore irony.
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>>161831117

>Altair herself is partially inspired in every character Setsuna liked
Holy shit, I don't think I've seen anyone mention this until now.

Then her swords are inspired by Selesia.
Her gauntlets are inspired by Alice.
What did the other characters inspire?
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>>161831261

I sort of agree. About halfway through, I honestly wanted everyone to die. I particularly want Meteora to die so she will

STOP

FUCKING

TALKING
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>>161831226
Cool, maybe they even have their own thread on /a/ you can fuck off to
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>>161831154
>she enjoys it instead
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>>161831287
Isn't Souta's OC just Setsuna wearing his glasses?
Still, though, using a dead mentally ill girl as a puppet is fucked up.
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>>161831329
Did you even watch this anime?
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>>161831154
No that won't happen. It doesn't fit with the opening of the first episode at all. Altair seems to speak with Souta amicably there.
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>>161831339
Sirius was designed by Setsuna, I'm pretty sure Souta had something to do with using her.
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>>161831339

There is so much wrong with what they did, I'm not sure I have the words. Like, the OCdonutsteel version of Altair was pretty bad, but she arguably wasn't real.

But Setsuna was a REAL PERSON. They're bringing back a copy of a real person. I mean, what does her mother think? This is basically necromancy, or at least dressing someone up in her clothes.

It's a fucked thing to do, and I'm pretty sure that's what people mean by "Don't play god, fuckwit."
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>>161831415
It really is fucked up.
It's so fucked up that I don't think they'll address it
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>>161831301
I can't think of anything inspired by Rui. Cuteness maybe?
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>>161831415
Yeah, I'm glad to see another one noticing how fucked up what they did to Setsuna was. Fucking copying a dead person and showing it on live TV. Well I guess human morality is really close to an illusion.
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>>161831415
Its okay to use the name and corpse of a dead person. They are dead and you need to do whatever you have to do to ensure your survival and the survival of innocents.

The end justifies the means. Just like with Altair.
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>>161831491
It's so fucked up that Setsuna will probably be real and return to the real world.
>There's no way that this creation can enter the real world!

Imagine if Setsuna tells Altair that she doesn't feel real when Altair isn't around or that she wants to die because there's no meaning for her in the cage.
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>>161831415
team gubment clearly left morality behind with the use of Sirius
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>>161831581

I think someone mentioned how this is basically the ending of Secret Empire.
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>>161831547
Rui is a newer character though, his anime aired after Setsuna killed herself. She saw at most some promotional art.
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>>161831594

Basically this. You know, shouldn't Yuuya have been fucking horrified by Sirius? He was like "Naw man, it's all cool, she's kind of hot." In fact, he should've been like - "Oh my God, you created a person out of whole cloth. Is this what I was like, before I came into being? I didn't know. Oh shit, I'm *not real*. We're all just pawns to you, aren't we?"
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>>161830966
>more silver hair
Eww.
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>>161831581
It's nice that Altair calls her Setsuna and not Yuuna though, but the visual traits and the fact that she killed herself in that place being shown to everyone will make it obvious to track down the real person and family.
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>>161831301
>Wisdom and Hair color of Meteora
>Power of creation of Mukojin
>Smugness of Yuya
>Being a Waifu Material like Hoshikawa
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>>161831309
>tfw the only characters I want to suffer are Meteora and Altair
>tfw they're all alive and all the characters I liked are dead
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>>161831658
I'm not saying that it should be used in every episode, but the lack of existential crisis among creations really hurts this show
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>>161831827
Also, just think about how her relatives, especially her mother will feel about this.
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How do you think Setsuna's family feels after seeing their dead daughter in an anime? Especially because she might really be alive, or a fictionalised version brought to think of herself as Setsuna despite not being alive or a clone?

Shouldn't they get told that Setsuna's creation is actually alive and threatening the world and that Setsuna might be alive too?
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Can someone please kill Marine already?
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>>161813789

Kinofags for example.
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>>161831902
And the fact that they have all been reading a suicide note without realizing.
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>>161831984
I will slay her with my dick.
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>>161831885

I think it's because once they have an issue like that, you've opened the door to all kinds of issues that WON'T GO AWAY.

Can you imagine Luke Skywalker asking George Lucas "Wait, so you say that you MADE my father a child-murderer and sadistic idolator? Holy shit, you guys are fucking evil."

Like, what do you think would happen if Charon met Selesia's Creator? He would probably have slit the man's throat, and the man would arguably deserve it. History's greatest monster and all.
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>>161831415
Who cares what her mother would think, the fate of the world is on the line here.
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>>161832033
>It was a tiny little thing that pushed me over the edge
>Altair does not regularly interact with or attempt to kill Soda
HIROEEEEE
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>>161832147
I think that's Setsuna's influence on her that won't let her hate Souta. That could change now though with this mockery he's pulling.
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>>161832095
We need a Re:Creators spinoff where Gen Urobuchi and other edgelord creators are haunted by the characters that were shoved into their despair-filled creations.
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>>161832033
>It was a tiny thing that pushed me over to the end.
Sota. Spineless asshole didn't even think before sending her a message at that time. He also knew she was being bullied, motherfucker. Even if we say that they weren't that close, Setsuna asked him for help at her time of need, he should've atleast said that "It would be fine, You'll get past that". Not "Don't ask me".
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>>161832033
>tfw Altair will never step on you
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>>161832095
if you think about it it's not so different from western religions, people believe God knows everything and it's omnipotent, however bad shit still happens, the main difference is that religious people "know" they are creations and still believe that God is a benevolent being
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>>161832339

I'm more upset that he didn't tell her "Why don't you fucking kill yourself?"
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>>161832100
And there goes your morality, it turns out "morality" can only be applied to a certain extent. It's because it's easier this way, to bait Altair or something. There may be other possible ways, but yeah fuck that, this one's easier, let's do it.
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>>161832432
Welcome to 4chan. I wonder if you're still going to say that if you're Identity will be revealed or is not "anonymous".
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Would Sirius before meeting Altair resist if you tried to rape her?
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>>161832445
The fate of 7 billion people is on the line here, Anon. Fuck morality, survival by any means necessary.
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>>161832339
In the script his expression was "Don't ask me, I've never been popular myself." which is even more passive aggressive than the anime version.
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>>161832432
>I'm more upset that he didn't tell her "Why don't you fucking kill yourself?"
Kill yourself anon.
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>>161832542

No, you don't get what I mean. Souta's guilt implies he did something really, really terrible. Hence why he's so close-mouthed about the whole thing. Thematically, that would tie him to the story, because he needs to be involved somehow!

The problem is that, since he didn't actually do anything bad, there's no reason for him to be involved in the story! It's like the difference between James in Silent Hill 2 killing his own wife, and if Mary just naturally passed away.

In the first example, James has done something terrible. But in the latter, he's not actually guilty of anything! Here, the worst thing Souta did was "Oh, I wasn't there for Setsuna in her time of need." Oh wow, big fucking whoop.
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>>161832572
I like when protagonist use that kind of thinking method, but to expose a dead teenager (which committed suicide to boot) in front of the whole world is way over the line, if there was no public I would have no problem with it
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>>161832655

I'll add: Let's say you were in a car accident where multiple people died. In the first case, you're the driver of the car - in the latter, you were a passenger. Obviously, as a driver you should feel guilty, but as a passenger you're not responsible. The most anyone could blame you for is 'not spotting the pileup in time'.
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>>161832693
No it isn't, in fact it's pretty tame when the payoff is saving the planet.
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>>161832586
He's right though
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>>161832714
More like if you're a bystander to an accident but chose to just walk away instead of helping.
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>>161832655
There is something called survivors guilt. And some people also feel guilty for being an asshole to a person right before she dies by technically unrelated causes. Guilt is not necessarily logic, you don't need to be the main cause of something to feel guilty about it. Literally no one blamed him, not even the girl who blamed an entire world.
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>>161832782
Why don't you fucking kill yourself?
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>>161832782
Try killing yourself anon.
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>>161832832

He wasn't even a bystander, he didn't know she was going to kill herself.

>>161832852

I know, but the story would be more interesting if she did!
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Reminder that Mamika deserved to die.
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>>161832782
How I wish Enma Ai was here, how would you like to see what death is like?
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>>161832938
The accident is her online bullying in this case.
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>>161832943
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How come that the whole Altair-Soda-Setsuna arc is the LEAST interesting thing about this show? Even things like relationship between Matsubara and Selesia, Magane just fucking around and the whole Alice arc were way more interesting that the supposed backbone of the plot.
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>>161832943
She also deserves to be revived.
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>>161832938
if someone reaches for help and you tell them to fuck off is not the same as just watching an accident, if Setsuna didn't contact him it would be retarded for him to feel guilty, but she actually seeked his support, which he denied her, a friend has to help you in your low moments, it's basic human decency and he failed at that
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>>161833056
Because we don't know how Altair even came to life to begin with and I doubt the dumb hack would bother to explain it.
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>>161833076
Why can't we have a spinoff about Alice and Mamika living hobo life?
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>>161833056
I'm still interested to see the resolution of that.
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>>161833091
She had ACCEPTANCE
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>>161833076
>She also doesn't deserve to be revived
Fixed
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>>161833127
Why must silver-haired sluts be so powerful? They all should be beaten up but it's so hard when they can kill you so easily.
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>>161833056
Probably because it is hard to do anything with a dead character and they didn't even try to do anything regarding Altair and Soda interacting with each other.
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>>161833175
They should all be gently patted on the head and given their favorite foods.
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I wanna lick Altair's white pussy
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A lie about lie will turn inside out.
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I wanna punch Altair's ugly face
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>>161833091
>we don't know how Altair even came to life to begin with
You can find your waifu too on the other side.
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It's hard for me to take this "acceptance" meme seriously when Altair keeps breaking the fourth wall and no one gives a shit.
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>>161833871
nice
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>>161833871
heh, nice
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>>161833121
Or better. A crossover series of Saber and Madoka becoming hobos.
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>Souta was probably harder than Megan's no panties femdom when watching his daughter rape his favorite anime girl and big sister in front of the entire nation.
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>>161833879
Because they like that and somehow think it's in-character for her. What they won't like is the preaching part against cyber-bullying that was forced on them regardless of what they wanted.
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Why did Selesia hang out with him so much when she could masturbating to Charon doujins? Or reading about how Charon would wreck her in bed?
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When is the final dance number?
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>the other characters were never able to find Altair's hideout and yet she knew exactly what they were doing
>the entire anime must be from Altair's POV
B R A V O
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>>161834079
When we get a new model with her new military uniform.
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>>161834091
I'm not sure why that's surprising. The other characters can't pass between universes.
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>>161830957
It's nice of the Japanese government to forgive Magane and cover up the murders.
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>>161834223
She deserves a fair trial in the first place.
>We declare the defendant guilty
>uso no uso
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>>161834191
nips need to hurry up with mmd then.
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Post Alice please. I'm still in the mourning phase, and can't get over it. It annoys me how even Selesia got pretty much a "Oh well" after she passed, and she was arguably the face of the series at some point. I really hurt for Alice and I hate that she had to go the way she did.
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>>161830933
Nah
>Altair BTFOs everyone
>All seems to be lost
>Suddenly a lone rabbit hole Appears
>"Ehhhhhh, what's up doc?"
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>>161834223
>Aren't all Jews dead, anon?
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>>161834392
hey at least they got good scenes and went down fighting

Rui didn't even get his theme to play, Yuya just got stabbed in the back and Hikayu is depowered and unable to do anything
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>>161834079
What the fuck is this!? Also saved.
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>>161834485
That's true. But it still hurts though. I went back earlier today to see some of her scenes, and the ones with Mamika hurt the most.
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>>161830933
>>161834409
Popeye and Bugs are both Anti-Jap remember. They can't be accepted in Japan.
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>>161834392
Same. Even after having the best character building in the show, people keep dissing her. Guess it's not just nips who have shit taste. I think her arc was the highlight of the show for me. Yet still she gets no love from the staff and fans of the show.
>we will never get Alice fig
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>>161834485
>Went down fighting
Alice literally committed suicide along with Selesia. The only people who went down fighting was Sho and Mamika.
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>>161834532
The source of Altair's power.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrgauWZoqHo
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>>161834532
Do you not know what MMD is?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFvnh1m0KcI
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>obvious solution is to bring faceless old men
>no one ever thinks of it
They're everywhere, so you can't just delete the work they're from.
They have a power to defeat anything as long as it's female, so Altair's powers are useless.
They can turn her mind to think only about cock, removing all of her omnicidal tendencies in the process.
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>>161834668
stabby stabby
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>>161834668
Altair would just whip out her own cock.
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>>161834599
She shouldn't have been alone in the first place, though.
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>>161834598
at first i thought she was too stupid getting baited all the time but shes grown on me and became one of my favorites

alice is too cute
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>>161834630
>>161834635

STOOOP! YOU GUYS ARE MAKING HER STRONGER!!!
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>>161819604
Kanoya has had alot of great lines and cool scenes though, grabbing a sword so hard with his mech hand that his real hand starts bleeding for example.
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>>161816758
"You're the last one, Blitz."
>cuts to Meteora doing nothing
I get that nothing except supreme magic bullshit could possibly stop Altair, but after all the magic bullshit failed, you'd think Meteora would at least TRY fighting, rather than just watching the world burn.
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>>161834897
I'm taking this to mean that Blitz isn't going to die.
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>>161834917
If disarming is enough for other characters like Rui and Hikayu, she literally can just break his gun and gravity watch and be over with it.
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>>161834599
That was her final act of defiance, she refused to bend her knee to Altair.
And since her lance was buffed with her noble phantasm, she knew she wouldn't last for long.
And Altair explained her bullshit move the way that made it sound like the effect was reversed only on her lance. So the last punch was worth a shot, and people who say "she should've punched herself" are reddt tier dumb because that wasn't even the point of the scene anyway.
I can't believe that it's been a whole week and some people still don't get it
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>>161834991
They are just shitposting.
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LYING SAVES THE WORLD

TRUTHLETS BTFO
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>>161835011
and i'm just looking an excuse to post Alice
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>>161835084
We really need more don't we.
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Why do deluded sharkposters think Magane is now a hero and that she helped Souta out of the goodness of her heart? It's pretty obvious why she was getting the hell out of Japan before the conclusion of ECF.
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>>161835084
This is beautiful, where'd you find it?

Actually, where are you guys getting all this? I only use danbooru and pixiv. My twitter game's not that great
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So Altair knows who Souta is? What does this mean?
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>>161835195
I think so.
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>>161835195
Altair was hinted to have split personality, particularly in the original script that has a scene she wakes up crying and quickly says to herself not to worry since she will always be her ally. Though they might have removed that because it was too much of a red herring and she only talks to Setsuna like someone would talk to a dead person, and merely has parts of her memory.
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Blitz is going to die next episode but not for the reason that most people would think
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>>161835195
She wants him to bend her over some rails and take his Great D.
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>>161835327
Interesting. I don't think anyone else will die.
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>>161835129
that one is from Yumemiduki on twitter
I just browse a couple of hashtags like #レクリエイターズ
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>>161835356

Blitz is going to meet his end because a certain person wouldn't have it any other way. There was probably a price to gain acceptance for Erina's resurrection and Blitz will be the one to pay it. In a heroic manner of course.
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>enjoys herself for the whole series
>gets rich
>doesn't bother with pointless fighting
>her help will probably accomplish more than some characters who died for nothing
>about to leave and get away with everything
Shark is the ultimate winner of the show
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>>161835280
That's why Altair's existence is kind of confusing to me. The other creations didn't know about their creators or share any of their memories.
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>>161835415
>Showed her no pantsus to some beta boy
>Hugged the beta boy and admitted to liking him cause he's a sociopath worse than her.
She lost more than she gained.
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>getting Alice and Selesia killed was the part of their plan too
Damn it Matsubara, your daughter and son just died
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>>161835397
His death or any other creation's death would be kind of meaningless at this point.
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>>161835454
She had to start her harem somewhere
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>>161835466
At least he took it better than Alicetaria's creator who cried like a bitch.
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>>161835496
He took it too well, something is not right here.
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>>161835466
None of the other creators reacted to their creations getting curbstomped despite the time spent knowing them as real people, Takarada is the only one who actually cares.
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>>161835477

Nothing is meaningless until Altair is defeated. That hasn't happened yet. No way is it going to be as simple as anime Setsuna talking to Altair and telling her to behave.
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>>161835466
They thought they could just do clone miku and get away with her saving the day. Bad wording but it happened just when things were dire enough.
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>>161835415
Yeah, that actually makes her sound like a good character.

The problem is that she was forced into the plot through the conveniences.
If only the way she found Mamika and the way she managed to make Alice go after Meteora weren't done so lazily then she would truly be the best.
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>>161835466
I think he meant that what Altair at that moment was part of their plan, not the whole dying thing. Altair kind of did something they expected her to do and felt into their trap.
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>>161835550
Setsuna will just spank Altair for being a naughty girl, the final episode will be all rosy and shit.
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>>161835487
>If you ignore my messages, I'm going to cry.
The moment he ignored her, Megane started stalking the shit out of Souta. Was it autism?

Why does Souta attract all the crazy purple haired chicks Setsuna and her autistic daughter then Magane and her lies?
>>
The stickboys and Hikayu will obviously survive because their wounding and depowering were intended to take them out of the fight. Rui and Blitz? Who knows.
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>>161835581

Nobody knows how this story is going to turn out.
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>>161835594
She just likes bullying him a lot.
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>>161835596
I think they got taken out so they don't ruin the mood with their hotbloodedness
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>>161835415
Don't forget.

>punishes shitty betas

Truly the bestest girl.
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>>161819781
Next episode will be the finale.

Last episode will be, "Oh that's right, I didn't tell you about the time all the creations went to Comiket!"
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>>161835708
I can just imagine their reaction to Setsuna
>Do it, jump
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Where can I get one?
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>>161835761
And then she jumps because acceptance. Altair would flip the fuck out.
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>>161835797
>It doesn't have an onahole.
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>>161835797
https://www.aniplexplus.com/itemdqyjydzk
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>>161835854
I hate 3D downgrades.
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https://my.mixtape.moe/xnsqfu.mp3
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>>161835895
;_;
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>they went with the Setsuna end
I guess it's still better than the shitty OP OC end.
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>>161818849

I think people might still be talking about Hime a decade from now. Very few characters reach the level of bullshit she's attained while still being likeable.
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>>161835928
She'll be a permanent character in powerlevel threads.
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>>161835718

The creations will have to stick around then because the next Comiket isn't until the middle of August. I doubt they went to the one last December because Selesia in a wheelchair.
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>>161835895
What song is this again?
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>>161835955
Mamika's theme that later plays again when Hikayu shows up with her special transformation.
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Would Cu be able to kill Altair with his gay bulge?
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>>161818495
She'd just asspull fanservice from doujins to gain acceptance

>>161819095
Talk no jutsu
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>>161820910
Faced with a threat they knew they couldn't destroy, the only way to stop her was in a cage of her own emotions.
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>>161836001
No because holopsicon etc etc
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>>161835945
She won't reach the absurdity of Featherine or Demonbane but she will be up there.
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>>161821500
>I never intended her to be some edgelord Mary Sue
But she absolutely did. They brought it up early on that Altair was created with malice towards a cruel and unforgiving world.
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>>161835922
Depends.
If Altair just gets talked no jutsu then it's as bad if not worse than that.
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>>161836041
Holopsicon #1824 says she does.
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>>161836001
No because Lancer's just going to end up like Alicetaria impaling himself because of Holopscion.
>>
>>161835975
T-they can revive Mamika right? R-r-right?
>>
>>161835797
Why Saitama is wearing her as a bag and siting on her? Does that mean he can beat her with one punch
>>
What if Index has Holopsicon?
What if the Holopsicon is inside Dalian's library?
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>>161836112
They're all dead in their creator's world and have no reason to come back anyway.
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>>161836182
>OPM posting
>ESL

I wish I could be surprised
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>>161836062
What else is she going to do?
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>>161835945
Can Perfect Cell beat Perfect Altair?
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>>161836292
>>161819095
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>>161836306
No because holopsicon etc etc
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Could they beat Altair?
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>>161835596
I don't want Blitz to die. He never asked for any of this.
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>>161836041
Altair could literally delete their respective publishers/authors/scriptwriers/illustrators
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>>161826938
>Wants to prevent the end of the world so she can keep killing whoever she wants
Just because she's technically doing the right thing doesn't make her a good or redeemable person.
>>
>>161836337
This is bullshit. They make a fucking OP character only for her to probably get talked out of everything in the end by a fake image of her creator who is a real person but dead.
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>>161836342
Yes.
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>>161836418
O MY fucking HOLO PSICON.
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>>161836418
I can't believe that Altair will fall for something like this when she already knows she is dead.
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>>161836418
Her only weakness is having emotions, Sirius would have technically been more OP than Altair since she had no personality whatsoever.
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>>161836186
Altair is basically not real right? I think we know what the solution is.
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>>161836467
>Sirius would have technically been more OP than Altair
She was, which is why she won
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>>161834436
What? Of course they're not!
>>
>>161836467
Sirius would be way less popular though, so she'll struggle to even stay in reality.
>>
Also what the fuck does uso no uso have to do with bringing in Setsuna? Does this mean Setsuna is alive again (reversal of her death) or is she still just a "creation"?
>>
i dont understand
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>>161836489
She got absorbed though because muh power of belief was not enough or some shit.
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>>161836502
Creation. Souta wanted to be a complete dick and reenact Setsuna's last moments for some reason
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We've seen six Holopsicon movements and there are at least 66, since movement 66 was used today.

At least one of those other 60 must have been za warudo so why didn't Altair ever use it.
>>
>>161836501
Shark could have just uso no uso'd Sirius instead of Setsuna, god dammit.
>>
>>161836546
Altair isn't even aware of most of her holopsicon powers.
>>
>>161836552
Shark knows Sirius is way less fun than Setsuna
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>>161835922
Setsuna coming back is kind of predictable though. This is just as bad as a shitty OC from Sota. In fact a shitty OC from Sota is probably more entertaining.
>>
>>161836502
Watch the 2nd OP again
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>>161836543
I guess he wants to break Altair.
>>
>>161836546
Maybe she's been using it this whole time and never announced it because of Holopsicon's 51st movement: no dialogue.
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>>161836418
>she sees your penis
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>>161836628
her gasp was kinda cute
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>>161836501
But everyone loves dolls with no personality.
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>>161836654
I want to put my dick in her mouth with that cute face
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>>161836674
I guess she would be popular if they manage to fit her in the plot properly which they failed to do.
>>
Yuya should have stolen a kiss off of Altair while he had the chance.
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>>161836718
Because he wants Sho
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>>161836718
What the fuck was up with that pseudo-romantic moment with the doll anyway?
>>
did they ever explain what the horoscope shit is?

i feel like i'm missing something.
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>>161836814
We still don't know how Altair even came to be. Inb4 "Setsuna's feelings and the approval of thousands of shitposters were just so strong they made anime real"
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>>161836873
Maybe Altair is actually Moetron.
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>>161836873
>Altair came into existence from despair, depression, and mass negativity
That's some real chunni shit.
>>
Why was Charon listening to Altair, some random who he'd never met before, over his love interest and life-time fighting buddy?
It just makes no goddamn sense.
>>
>>161836947
More like an egregore born from autism powered by Internet drama
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>>161836980
Holopsicon movement whatever the fuck: make people act dumb!
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>>161836980
Fighting buddy wanted to keep fighting, Altair promised a way out and Charon wanted out.
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>>161836980
That random brought him to the world of his creators who he can use to fix his world. His buddy didn't even deny that and only told him to stop listening to the random because they decided that she's a baddy. Charon got sick of everyone's shit and picked a side and stuck with it.
>>
>>161836980
Why was Selesia listening to Meteora, some random who he'd never met before, over her love insterest and life-time fighting buddy?
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>>161837100
Selesia has a dick? Holy shit my boner.
>>
>>161836980
Remember that Charon was already half dead inside and on the verge of giving up but on the outside was trying to keep up an image. Altair just picked him up and manipulated him in his weakest state.
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>>161837100
Selesia wasn't buying any of Altair's nonsense from the very first episode.
She was fighting against her in the very first scene of the anime for fucks sake.
>>
>>161837100
Because they're all in the same situation and have formed a camaraderie over the course of these episodes? Same for the other creations, look at how Blitz was teasing Yuya.
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>>161837145
She thought Altair was one of her world's villains at first because she was attacked in her world. Altair probably approached Charon a different way.
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I'm gonna be sad when this anime ends.
>>
I guess the next two episodes are back to dialogue since there's nobody left who can fight. I doubt Setsuna is going to have any kind of powers.
>>
Sirius > Altair
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>>161837244
She gonna have a chat with her daughteru and give her a nice little hug and everything will be forgiven. Everyone goes home, happily ever after. The end.
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>>161836546

Holopscion is infinite. They literally stated this episode that she could flat out erase them all if she wanted, but achieving her goal would become harder so she hasn't.
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>>161837231
You'll probably forget this show along with most original anime this year.
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>>161837288
But if she just wanted Setsuna back she could have simply gone back in time. And a projection of a real person talking her out of destroying the world even though she was born from her angst incarnate would feel unconvincing as fuck.
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>>161821835
Isn't it Troyca. Please don't use the legendary game company Troika's name in a thread about a shitty anime
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What the fuck is the Holopsicon
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>>161835651
The fact that she actually took a photo of him for her contacts is one of my favorite details.
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>>161837340
I still remember Active Raid very fondly, and miss the shit out of it. Not the same guy of course. And I've seriously come to love Alice way too much just forget her in a few months.
>>
>People on the internet start shitposting
>We want the Mindbroken Altair ending
>She shall watch setsuna die at infinitum
>4chan and 2chan shitpost togheter
>Since the studio took things from real life to the show they're forced to ACCEPTANCE IT
Guys we can make it happen.
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>>161837468
I'd rather see a story where Altair NTRs her creator and fucks the glasses boy.
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>>161837468
>implying they didn't already finished the series
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>>161837506
They cant force on us an ending we don't ACCEPT that's the whole point of the story
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>>161837544
Nobody accepted Setsuna's appearance, but she still appeared. Creator > viewers.
>>
Holopsicon 2nd Movement
BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP
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>>161837578
That's only because Magano magic which we accept.
>>
>>161837593
Viewers only accept the magic because the creator forces you to accept it from the setup.
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>>161815982
Deleting things off the internet is a lot easier than it sounds especially if your basically in a position that controls the laws and physical network. Contrary to popular belief it is most certainly possible to turn off the internet or censor it. Government's and megacorperations have all the resources to do it and they just choose not to for the most part. One accidental mistake wipes out half of Japan's internet because some Google tech pressed the wrong key. Imagine if Japan asked for that to happen enmass. If they believe the world is going to end it is pretty absurd to think they would leave thing to chance.
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>>161837630
>People didnt accept Rui mecha
>He was useless for most of the series
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