So does Spotted Flower now belong in the same "don't read past volume x" category as Bunny Drop?
Because the early shit is cute as hell, but it sucks knowing just how much the mangaka fucks up later on
if you want we can change it into a "manga about pregnancy" thread
as far as we can tell, the kid is biologically his. The NTR comes from him cheating on her with his trans best friend because he's not getting laid, which is entirely his fault in the first place
Nope. After his wife gives birth, he sees her talking to her ex who was visiting along with other friends to give their congrats on the birth, and he gets jealous. He then runs into a tranny he knows on the way home, and then proceeds to get fucked by said tranny next to his newborns crib.
>Those that read the manga was predicting this from the start.
I didn't. Since him and the MILF decided not to start anything because of their kids, I thought the son of the MILF and Rin would eventually get together then shes confesses outta nowhere. If the mangaka was always planning that ending then she completely failed because there was literally no build-up, and don't give me that "b-but Rin never called him dad" bullshit.
The first thing I thought after the first volumes was that Rin is going to have such an Oedipus Complex when she grows up. After learning of the backstory and the timeskip, I was already going 'Wait, are they seriously going to do this?' The only thing holding them back was that single mother love interest, but once that was out of the way, I knew it was inevitable.
>single mother love interest
Supidest throw away character.
Author spent dozens of chapters building up their relationship just so he could go "oh she married some faceless bussiness man in the end."
dont forget she outright refuses him fellatio several times, even though she sucked a bunch of dicks before marrying him.
this is why you dont marry used goods.
It's not that hard. The original definition from hundreds of years ago just meant any kind of unfaithfulness between husband and wife, with the connotation that the person being cheated on was aware of it. That lead to the fetish definition that we have now of allowing and getting turned on by unfaithfulness from your partner.
And? He's still trash for cheating on her after she gave birth to their first and probably last child because of some petty jealously. On top of that tried several times to get him to fuck her, even turning to cosplay, and he never gave in.
why would he want to fuck a woman thats had several dicks in her already?
i mean, do we even know the kid is his?
apparently they got married immediately cause she was already preggers.
So what you're telling me is this guy is somehow the most heinous combination of a cuckold, a literal faggot, and a cheating bastard? And his wife is an impure slut who refuses to give head? And it's not actually a trap but a tranny?
You normally have to read tumblr webcomics to get stuff like this.
>says the thought of the baby being in there freaks him out too much to do it normally
I will never understand that argument. You physically can't get anywhere near close enough that you would start poking the baby. It's not even a matter of dick size, its just the mechanics of pregnancy
Why did he marry her in the first place if purity was such a big deal to him? Not that purity/being chaste means shit to him since he had no qualms getting fucked by a tranny near his newborns fucking crib.
You remember your time in the womb?
>Why did he marry her in the first place
she was preggo and he is a spineless faggot.
>Right now it's just cheating/unfaithfulness
Here, courtesy of anon in /h/ NTR thread.
To add, there are multiple ways to make NTR happen:
6. Consensual (generally the woman is the one who makes the first motions/suggestions)
7. Hypnosis/Mind Control
And then there are the non-sexual NTRs:
10. Rescue ("saving" a wife or girlfriend from abusive husband or a woman from a fiance they don't want in a forced marriage)
2, 6, and 10 are cheating types of methods, and they are all NTR. When cheating occurs, NTR automatically happens.
NTR only means the act of stealing someone else's lover/spouse/fiancee/fiance/relation from someone else. It can also work with parents depending on any complexes involved, or, if the parent is completely taken away from their offspring.
NTR is not a silly buzzword, but an actual term based on the Japanese verb netoru, and the term is used as a shorthand for the verb in Japan. Many westerners don't understand this and just say NTR is always painful or hardcore, but that's wrong. It's an overly broad term that covers many stuff.
Below are examples of cheating stories that have an NTR label or sold in NTR publications:
Atelier Sakura's Team NTR made Uwaki Biyori (LITERALLY translates to CHEATING Days)
Netorare New Heroine (Mighty Wife) keeps on cheating on her husband albeit it's kinda of her own volition
Kuroki Hidehiko's Until You Say Yes - Dirty Wife Netorare
SugarBerrySyrup's Shinkon Medaka-chan ga Kumagawa-kun ni NTReru Hon
Almost every story in Aoi Hitori's Netorare Maniacs
Arakure's NTR Shitami Ryokou
Dekosen Takuji's Netorare Kanaezuma, Choco Pahe's Watashi no Netorare Taiken, and Kita Kazuki's Shuujuku from Siberia Maniacs Zetsubou Netorare Selection
LINDA Project's Netorarezuma series
Maririn's C92 doujinshi Kojin Satsuei 19-sai Kareshi Mochi Kouhai-kei Kyonyuu Layer for FGO is literally labeled with NTR on the cover
Just study Japanese and look for them.
I was trying to avoid writing a dissertation anon, but here we go. Continuing where I left off about the fetish definition, while it is true that the cuckold fetish isn't an exact analog to NTR, it's still an appropriate equivalent since NTR is getting off to a specific outcome of the cuckold fetish: your significant over being so attracted and sexually satisfied by the other man (the fetish uses the terminology "bull" in english, idk if they have a word for it in japanese) that you are essentially shut out of the sexual component of your significant other's life, if not completely abandoned. That then breaks into the sub-types of NTR: Netori, where you get off on being the dude stealing some guys chick, or Netorase where you get off on the sexual jealousy and inferiority created by your chick having better sex with another guy.
Netorare and netori stories do not need the person who is having someone taken from them find out. The reader knows.
And while cuckold can be useful for explaining what it means to non-Japanese, you should not try to use what you know about cuckold and think that it applies to the Japanese meanings.
>tfw i didn't know about this manga
>tfw i didn't know it was by the same person who did Genshiken
>tfw I DIDN'T REALIZE THIS WAS MADARAME AND SAKI
HOLY FUCKING SHIT GENSHIKEN MIGHT ACTUALLY BE COMPLETELY FUCKING RUINED FOR ME NOW. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
I can't fault him for writing this even if I thought it was trash, but I wish this was completely original and not what's basically an alternate universe. He cheaply pulled people in with the shell of Genshiken and what I loved about the original series and dragged it through a dirty back alley.
>Netorare and netori stories do not need the person who is having someone taken from them find out. The reader knows.
Fair point, I'll concede that. What's wrong with the rest of my working definition though? What japanese implications/subtleties/etc. am I missing?
Don't forget that the mangaka ends the chapter with the tranny bragging to xir GF about how cute the married man she fucked was, and the man back at home going "lol this doesn't count as cheating does it?" as if the whole fiasco was meant to be comedic
I mostly agree, but I'll add the caveat that the guy being cucked has to be introduced to the reader. Part of ntr is the framing of the whole thing. If she's just wearing a wedding ring or talking about some neglectful older husband, it probably is still NTR, but doesn't evoke the same feelings
I wouldn't say you're far off there, but this is some next level shit. In Genshiken, the characters mostly stopped theirselves from going down this road, and in there is the respect for responsibility even if frustrating.
just look at this slut, lusting for another guy while her daughter and husband are near her.
Would say "realizing she isn't pure" and "Feeling a horrible feeling seeing her speaking with her ex again on good terms" are two different things.
You said the first one to make it sound more insane than it was for the sake of trying to bolster your argument, while the second one is something even a normal person would feel at times.
>This entire thread
And I was having a good day too. Damn it.
>>This entire thread
You missed the first time we talked about this. The rage was palpable.
>they are talking like two normal human beings
That's what I don't get with people here, or like Madarame. You have to be a special kind of insecure to see/be in a relationship with a woman who is not only in love with you, accepts your weird kinks, and is having your child. To see her talk to her ex like a perfectly normal human being and then get so drunk you think it's a good idea to get fucked in the ass.
When cheating occurs, NTR automatically happens.
>Netorare and netori stories do not need the person who is having someone taken from them find out.
That is false though. NTR is based around the idea that at some point the person being cheated on finds out and is unable to act against it. This is the basis both for the original term of Cuckolding, and true for the story types associated with the descriptor.
To quote the definition used on sadpanda
>Type: Activity / Contextual
>Description: Another person's spouse / partner being unfaithful and the one being cuckolded being aware of the situation. Also acceptable for when the story is clearly meant to invoke jealousy or sympathy on behalf of the person being cuckolded.
>Note: Point.png Should NOT be confused with cheating.
You could argue the second sentence of the story makes this Netorare, but that's a far more subjective thing because all I feel is rage at the husband for being such a faggot. But it's important to know that cheating and Netorare are separate because Netorare is a specific context to cheating.
I read it as it was published and never saw it, not to mention the author herself says in an author blurb that she never intended for the series to go for as long as it went, so it's impossible she had been planning it from the beginning
>This is the basis both for the original term of Cuckolding
Nope. A cuckold was a man specifically that raises another man's child unknowingly. Like the birds that raise the egg of the cuckoo, the bird from which the word comes.
The fetish is quite literally antithetical to the Shakespearean word.
>alright I don't feel like being published anymore, let's make this as shitty as possible so I can get cancelei
This is the only sound reasoning I can think of for this series to have this kind of development
She wanted him to fuck her, he wanted to fuck her, but things always got in the way and he was a bit weak willed. Pregnancy was a bit of a turnoff as well for him. Irony was that he was right about to fuck her when she started going into labor. They had already started.
Toys aren't the same though, no feeling in it, especially pathetic if you're married. They both had working parts and wanted to do it, but were awkward.
So this literally Canon in Genshiken, right?
I don't care, Madarame won, double wins if He anal'd the trap too in the future.
>Baby is born
>story shifts back to lessiban Mangaka friends of MC
Don't know what those hoes were in the story to begin with, Genshiken dude really put the birth of the kid in WAY too early, now there will be no more "trying to get laid again" hijinks and I don't give a fuck about those two lesbians doing doujin shit and not admiting their obvious lesbo feeling with eachother
What worse is when she finally pulls it off "oops time to have the kid!"
fuck that guy i'm so mad I wanted her to succeed but in the end kids really do ruin everything. No wonder Japans population is declining.
>favorite position is doggy
Damn she really is wife material, most actual women want or prefer missionary which is just disgusting, I say that even on a Christian image board
Saki was the best girl in Genshiken and she doesn't deserve any of this bullshit.
Also, isn't it fucking strange how Yajima just accepted that Hato cheated on her? Genshiken used to still make the characters human, even with their hobbies. Now it's like "oh you cheated on me but was the yaoi fantasy hot?" If this was the first Genshiken, she would have raged at Hato.
First time cow girl is what I did with my ex and we were both virgins. It's a great position for a first time couple since the guy don't have to move much(which is good since he's fucking clueless anyway) and the girl who might be having pains and bleeding can control the pace. Wife seems like a slutty bitch and the dude did the right thing cheating on her. Especially since it's japan and I would guess divorce is not taken lightly.
If I had a slutty japanese wife and a kid with her which probably wasn't even mine I would fuck every single one of my co-workers, go to fucking prostitutes and yes, even fuck a tranny or two. Fuck that bitch. Dude did literally nothing wrong(except marrying that woman and raising what is probably another man's child.
> marrying someone who's past you don't agree with in the first place.
Depends on if she told me of her past before or after we got married.
>You don't get to call yourself a man anymore in the latter case.
Whats wrong with recieving some anal?
I would be kinda anoyed if I married a girl and I really enjoyed blowjobs but she refused to give them to me, even though I knew she's given plenty of blowjobs before. Why would she blow those guys but not me who is her husband that she supposedly loves?
>he won't fuck her
>she won't give him a blowjob
Not sure why she's entirely in the fault here when he wont give her what she wants either. At least what she wants is mutual pleasure while he's basically asking a chore from her with nothing in return.
Well, yes. The idea that you should fall in love first and then marry is an extremely modern idea and a pretty shitty one at that since most marriages end up in divorce. For thousands of years arranged marriages were the norm. The idea was that you would fall in love after you got married.
>The idea was that you would fall in love after you got married.
Not really. They were more business-y. Japanese men even went to Geisha for emotional satisfaction because that's not what a good wife was for.
>while he's basically asking a chore from her with nothing in return.
That's what sex is. Alot of it is foreplay, and there are ways to make both feel good. I'm not a fan of giving oral sex to my girlfriend but I enjoy it alot more if she blows me at the same time. Also, different people like different things, perhaps he finds getting a blowjob alot more pleasurable than having vaginal intercourse. You have to be able to compromise and give and take when it comes to sex.
Guys Spotted Flower isn't Genshiken. They're supposed to be separate and Spotted Flower is supposed to be Kio's personal Garry's Mod sandbox to do all the crazy shit he wouldn't be allowed to do in Genshiken proper.
This is funny as HELL to watch. It's like stacking 10000 exploding barrels on top of each other and making an explosion so big it crashes your computer.
I secretly want the cheating to continue
You failed to read my original post where I clearly stated that was the idea back then. Kinda like how the idea now is to fall in love with a girl and then marry her. Back then the ideal romance was that you first got married and then fell in love.
>So does Spotted Flower now belong in the same "don't read past volume x" category as Bunny Drop?
The biggest example of this I can think of is Yamada-kun, where after the story ends the author continues for over a hundred chapters rehashing the exact same story because he wants money.
Subhumans like yourself deserve to be concentrated in camps.
They both deserve death, and you do too.
They're both trash. No need to pick a side. He shouldn't have cheated on her and she should have given him a blowjob. It is a wife's job to sexually satisfy her husband. Wow her jaw might hurt, guess she cant be bothered. What a selfish cunt.
He explained very clearly what he wanted and it would have taken her like a minute of very minor pain. On top of that, she did it before so it's not like it's humiliating to her or something. She's just being selfish.
>She's just being selfish.
So she doesn't blow him while he has a broken arm, but also has to cosplay for him and wear the types of underwear he likes just to get a pity fuck while she's pregnant?
Sounds to me like her faggot husband who faps to traps didn't deserve a blowjob. Those aren't a right, they are a privilege.
>The biggest example of this I can think of is Yamada-kun
Is that the seven witches shit? She's a fucking hack. It was the same in her previous series(Yankee-kun) and it turned to shit, but she still did the same thing with Yamada-kun anyway.
I could understand if a blowjob was humiliating, because I don't think the wife should have to do something that humiliates her. I certainly wouldn't say a wife should have to agree to anal, for that reason. But again, she's done it before so it's just the pain that's bothering her, and to avoid pleasing her husband because of a minor pain is pretty selfish. Especially since she has done it for another man before, which could make him feel jealous.
No one would be forcing her retard. It's not like the husband would force his cock down her throat. And I agree that you should not do something you feel is humiliating. Put if your partner really enjoys blowjobs you should be able to do them to make him happy. I have done things to my gf I know she likes but that I think is a fucking chore, a sensual massage for example.
Man what the fuck happened to Madarame? I actually looked up to him like ten years ago when I started watching/reading Genshiken but over the years he just kept getting worse and worse, and now I can't even recognize him. I don't even blame Saki for destroying him. There's a limit to how weakly you can hold to your purported values.
Tons of girls hate giving blowjobs after they do it. Should they be forced to do it forever? She was willing to spread her legs open for him and cosplay. He didn't do shit for her. The dude is such a faggot he couldn't get it hard when he cheated so he had to take it up the ass instead.
The problem lies in that she has given blow jobs to other guys and actually swallowed, she has never done that for him, and yet they are in a supposed meaningful relationship bound by marriage, im not saying he isnt a spineless faggot, but she would have saved herself the trouble if she had just blown him like she did other guys.
>Is that the seven witches shit? She's a fucking hack. It was the same in her previous series(Yankee-kun) and it turned to shit, but she still did the same thing with Yamada-kun anyway.
Yeah it was just horrible. The story wrapped up really cleanly and then she panics and says "wait a minute, I'm not gonna get $$$ anymore, how can I keep it going?" And since there's no room left to develop the plot, she just starts the story over with new characters. It completely ruined the excellent closure the series had. On top of that, later on she retcons some key details involved with the characters which makes no sense and retroactively makes the early part of the story shittier.
Originally, Yamada and his friend got in a fight with some kids and his friend reported him to get some pussy. It was a major part of characterization for Yamada, his friend, and the girl. But in the second part of the manga it gets retconned so that none of that happened and it was all a fake memory implanted by magic.
On top of all that, the author never addressed the increasingly looming question of "WHY THE FUCK DOES THIS SCHOOL RANDOMLY GIVE 7 GIRLS MAGICAL KISSING POWERS?!" It's literally never answered. Instead of resolving that plot hole, the author makes the story even more confusing by making Shiraishi into a super witch and retconning that apparently the reason everything happened and the reason Yamada had his power is because Shiraishi wished to spend her school life with him before the story started. Let's not even go into how fucked up it is that the main heroine used a magic power to force the MC to be with her and to control all of her friends fates.
>Especially since she has done it for another man before
She's already sucked his dick and was going to suck his again right there after some negotiations. He literally blew his load from her breath on his dick.
And the whole blowjob was part of her trying to have sex anyways which he promised he would do after the BJ and he never delivered on because he's a one pump chump.
Did you read the manga or come here to talk about what you feel women owe you?
And the first Blowjob he got she initiated anyways. Honestly there is no defending this guy, his wife does so much for him and he rewards that loyalty by doubting their relationship at every turn. His insecurity is why he got fucked in the ass, not because of anything she did to him.
Judging by the responses seems like I'm the only one who was alright with the ending.
To be honest I never understood why so many people were mad because "muh incest", in the first part of the manga Rin clearly states that she didn't saw Daikichi as a father but rather her guardian
>>She tried to cosplay for him. She tried.
and in that moment he started to sex her, but then her water broke. They were doing it, stop acting like he turned her down when she cosplayed.
But the world kinda piles on at the worst times; he's horny now, feeling jealous because she's getting along with her ex, thinking about the fact that she blows him and swallows for him regularly and won't do it for him, and even if he knows he's being pathetic he can't stop feeling like that.
Then some homo calls him, and in his frenzied state he ends up responding.
The ending wasn't as bad as it could have been, but I'm not going to pretend it wasn't some retarded contrived shit with multiple dei ex machina that had no buildup until the very end. It could have been done much, much better.
Coercion/pressuring is still forcing, though to a much lesser degree. But honestly the real problem here is that they're having forced negotiations instead of being able to get into the mood together, because Madarame is such an insecure manchild who's scared of the pregnancy. Clearly we've seen she's not totally unwilling to blow him, but even irl if you ask your girl to just blow you out of nowhere of course she'll tell you to fuck off. If notMadarame could stand to be intimate with his wife for like 5 seconds, like you did for your gf, I'm sure negotiations would go much better for both sides.
There is no coercion. He's just asking and hoping she'll pity him enough to suck him off. Marriage isn't some fairytale where both partners get horny at the same time and crave for the same thing.
>if you ask your girl to just blow you out of nowhere of course she'll tell you to fuck off.
unless youre super hot or rich.
>The story wrapped up really cleanly
When will retards stop saying this? If it ended at that point then the entire fucking mystery of the 7 witches wouldn't have been revealed or resolved. Please don't say some dumb shit like "Leave it to your imagination", not answering the main mystery of your series is one of the biggest things a hack can do.
She could have handled it way better though and didn't need to have more than one set of witches.
>saki was the best girl
What is with /a/ and loving girls that are intolerable bitches for 80% of the series just because they turn it around near the end.
>isn't it fucking strange how Yajima just accepted that Hato cheated on her
notYajima might actually be insane.
>hid and listened while notHato was trying to seduce notMadarame at her office.
>offered to let notHato live out xir dream of male impregnation by donating one of her eggs to him so they could have a child together
>thought it was awesome that notHato bragged about cheating on her
Rather he has specifically said that Spotted Flower has no connection to Genshiken at all.
But it is clear he is mostly just being cheeky, that and SF wasn't published in the same magazine as Genshiken so perhaps there's a legal reason for saying as such as well.
I dont know why on top of making the characters thinly veiled exports from Genshiken, he also decided to nuke everyone's relationships. On top of madarame and kousaka being really weird around each other, there's also some weird love polygon between all the fujos from nidaime.
Dude, Saki's a great character who made Genshiken interesting because she clashed with Madarame and doesn't stand for bullshit. She wasn't even in Nidaime for more than 10 chaps and yet every time she was there, she fixed things because everyone else was too pathetic to do anything actually productive.
Stop making excuses for this piece of shit, you can see in the thread from >>161828113 and >>161828036 that she's done EVERYTHING to keep the guy happy and his insecure ass was still fucking petty and jealous even though the wife promised they're going to have wild-ass sex the moment they get home together.
Like shit, what kind of sad pathetic self-destructive fuck would let himself be sodomized by someone else in front his newborn child's crib?
>Like shit, what kind of sad pathetic self-destructive fuck would let himself be sodomized by someone else in front his newborn child's crib?
There was a time when I used to look up to Madarame.... It's sad that this is who he is now.
>Like shit, what kind of sad pathetic self-destructive fuck would let himself be sodomized by someone else in front his newborn child's crib?
The kind that managed to turn himself gay by fapping to too much trap porn. Let that be a lesson to everyone: Traps. Not even once.
Huh, I just realized that every time something shitty happened to Madarame, it's Saki who always comes in to fix things.
Who will fix things for him now that it's SAKI that he wronged here.
Saki of course. She'll become the epitome of a noble enduring yamato nadeshiko by forgiving Madrame, kicking Hato's ass and fucking Madarame senseless.
Jk, madrame's gonna get cucked
This is a what-if story.
And I think the sad thing is if in this alternate reality, Madarame has so little self-worth that he can cheat on Saki, he'll DEFINITELY cheat on Sue in the future when she's hot and every dude wants to bang her.
Saki, again, by filing for divorce.
Saki doesn't put up with bullshit, and I remember in the original series, even though Saki was a normie she took relationships seriously. I'll be disappointed in Kio if Saki just lets Madarame get away with what he did.
There's a "the perfect woman was a man all along" joke to be made here I know it.
But seriously, that's some stereotypical tumblr sjw tier shit to wreck someone's marriage and be the only one allowed to fuck around in a relationship
>Traps. Not even once.
Note how he gave the same lines about how liking traps is normal and not being gay.
He gets fucked in the ass 20 chapter later. There is a reason the Japanese birth rate is declining.
Fuck forgot my picture.
>THIS WAS MADARAME AND SAKI
I only watched the anime and kinda enjoyed it.... what the fuck man.
>man gets fucked in the ass by another man to comfort himself with his wife daring to talk to another human being
The manga discussed already that the kid is his, he's just an insecure paranoid. Also in the old series, Saki was always serious about the relationships she's in even if she was a normalfag.
Actually in light of all the bullshit happening to SF, I kinda wish the kid WASN'T his.
What kind of filthy ass disgusting degenerate has sex with a woman when she is nine months pregnant? The one in the wrong here is the stupid cunt who thinks because just because she's a stupid bitch with holes, any fucking guy will jump for joy to stick his dick in.
No. That's not how it works. If anything, that flaming homosexual will realize it's better to be fucked in the ass and leave to go die in a puddle of ass juice, aids, and semen. At least then he'll be happy.
>The bitch should have blew him
>except swallow his cum
All she needed was a little air and he blows his load. And you can't swallow when he cleans his dick off on a napkin right afterwards.
Read the fucking manga.
The dumbasses in this thread keep going back to blowjobs when we know Madarame's issue was that Saki was still friends with Kousaka.
Which is fucking hypocritical of him because Saki lets him still be friends with Hato, even though she knows Hato liked him.
Are people really surprised that a spineless piece of shit like Madarame and a psycho and terrible person like Hato would pull something like this? The only reason it never happened sooner was Madarame is a cowardly bastard and never got drunk enough to go through with it.
I'm actually not surprised, but as a Sakifag, I'm mad at him even though I already know Saki is way out of his league.
The blowjobs wasn't the problem dumbass, it was how she still talks to her ex (who is his friend).
>did she ever try again?
Read the next page, he blew his only load and doesn't have the stamina to get it back up again. And this isn't the first time she's (tried) to blow him.
Seriously the chapters are like 10 pages long. Read them first before commenting.
Honestly him being a closeted fag who faps to traps is the only problem in this relationship.
So it's alright for her to have blown these number of "friends", know what their cum tastes like, but when it comes time to reciprocate the feeling with her "husband", she can't be bothered?
Go fuck yourself, you tranny trainwreck fuck. Nasty ass bitches such as yourself are the reason men pump and dump your dumbasses, then you sit around wondering why you can't find a good man.
yes sure, cause yelling at him is totally a way to arouse him.
>she hates giving them
yet she gave it to others to completion and not to her husband.
>associate something she hates with someone she loves?
By that reasoning, then he shouldnt fuck her pregnant ass if he doesnt like it.
Oh, so it's his fault that he couldn't get his dick back up after blowing his load for a fatass who not only didn't blow him, who also just wants to rape him because she can't do any better? Gotcha.
Like everyone's said in the thread, he's a spineless bastard. Thing is though, that doesn't mean there aren't things those types of people won't draw the line at and in this man's case, it's fucking a fatass.
>can't handle arguments
What argument. You have never read the series and don't know what you are talking about. You don't know what it means to be in a relationship and you don't know anything about these characters.
and she decided to marry him, if the problem is he is a faggot that like traps, then she can walk too.
im sure those guys she blew accepted her enough to marry her, oh wait, they didnt. Well at least she gave the guy that married her the same treatment she gave others, oh wait, she didnt.
>he's a spineless bastard.
we all agree on this.
He clearly enjoyed that more than fucking a pregnant woman.
The man should have been given a blow job.
That's the argument here. You can cry, lie, try to twist it anyway around you like, fact of the matter is, that's what should have happened.
>pick this up yesterday
>having a comfy time
Whelp, nothing I say will change your mind. I hope you continue to enjoy the sexual deviations of a man pushed too far. Hey, maybe next time he'll be fucking a dog, who knows? Either way, he won't be fucking that fatass.
then she doesnt deserve to be fucked while pregnant.
oh certainly, the main issue here, is that she has done things for other lovers, that she didnt do for him. Thus pushing the spineless faggots insecure ass on the cock of a tranny.
and he clearly didn't know she had given BJs to fulfillment to other guys.
Oh, right, forgive me, he was given a LITERAL blowjob. You know those quirky Japanese and their love of puns!
>real life isn't like my taiwanese mangos
>Thus pushing the spineless faggots insecure ass on the cock of a tranny.
is he an insecure faggot?
does he have issues with his wife's previous lover?
Is he spineless enough to get fucked in the ass?
we know he is.
So this is an evening well spent for you guys huh?
>and he clearly didn't know she had given BJs to fulfillment to other guys.
He was good friends with her and her exboyfriend through the entierety of their relationship if this really is Genshiken. Pretty sure he knew they were fucking and sucking.
the fact that it was never attempted again, and she went so far as to dress up in a ridiculous outfit to avoid giving him a BJ to completion, shows how much she values him.
Also, dick move inviting of the wife, inviting her ex to the hospital, when she knows her Husband is a beta cuck, that will be intimidated by the alpha chad that did get a proper BJ from her.
Then why does this page >>161811530 happen?
All you listed is true, but your first sentence made the issue about how she did favors towards her ex that she didnt do to him, when it's not.
His issue is that he's insecure when he sees that the ex and her are still friendly towards each other.
So your solution is to quadruply insult the man by not only a. refusing to do so, b. stating you will never try again after the first embarrassing failed attempt, c. also breaking it down point by point as to why you don't enjoy them causing guilt, and finally d. inadvertently comparing your vast multiple past experiences to the current present situation and then, to top it all off, as if that wasn't enough, you have the gall to try to feign ignorance as to why this man would then cheat on his wife?
The fuck is wrong with you?
>Then why does this page >>161811530 happen?
She's listing the things she doesn't like about giving blowjobs. She's never swallowed for him. He calls her on that.
We're posting on 4chan. We've already lost.
>All you listed is true, but your first sentence made the issue about how she did favors towards her ex that she didnt do to him, when it's not.
She knows what the taste of semen is like, but not from her husband, so she clearly did things that she hasnt done for him. Which is why I followed up with the insecurity issue.
Why would I read a series that is supposedly not related to this one? as stated by >>161829878
>Also, dick move inviting of the wife, inviting her ex to the hospital, when she knows her Husband is a beta cuck, that will be intimidated by the alpha chad that did get a proper BJ from her.
He's been both their friend for years, he and Madarame still hang out without her there, and he came with a group of their friends, not by himself.
>Why would I read a series that is supposedly not related to this one?
They are related, it's pretty much an alternate reality to canon, meaning that if you read the first series, you'll actually know who these characters are and you won't start saying dumbass shit you know nothing about because you don't know the characters and their history.
Not to mention Saki lets Madarame hang out with hato who she knows wants to fuck him with no issue because she trusts him.
Really, there is no scenario where Madarame doesn't end up looking like himan scum.
>Then why did he get so mad about the blowjobs?
He isn't. The only people mad about the blowjob are you fags. He got his stimulation
To post pictures of a nerd coming after having his wife put her face in the general region of her crotch and exhale apparently.
>She's never swallowed for him. He calls her on that.
Thats exactly my point, she has never swallowed for him, yet she has swallowed for someone else.
Knowing how much of a spineless fuck the guy is, she panicks and denies the event then, cause his insecurity about her past lovers got worse.
As is presented on this page >>161813443 where not only is he tortured by the sight of them getting along, but also gets bossed around in the follow up pages.
indeed, the reason is he is insecure about his wife's past relationships, and isnt attracted to her pregnant state.
Im not saying the insecurity is the sole reason why he cheats, but it clearly played a part in pushing him onto the dick of the tranny.
>youll actually know these characters.
oh really, then would the Madarame from Genshinken act like the Protagonist in this series?
Or would it be out of character for him?
Everyone's who's bawwwing about her refusing to blow him is missing the point that she won't suck his dick because SHE WANTS HIM TO FUCK HER AND HE WON'T. This piece of shit deserves precisely zero sympathy.
You know, I can forgive all of this if Saki and Madarame were just boyfriend and girlfriend. At least a breakup is easy, Madarame finally admits he's a faggot, and Saki can stop holding herself back from being supportive of Madarame all the time.
But they have a child. They're fucking married. Madarame has no excuse for looking like human scum here, and I don't think his friends can help him now.
>then would the Madarame from Genshinken act like the Protagonist in this series?
I'm convinced he would.
Him being a lolicon makes sense since he wouldn't have so many insecurities that way unless he stumbles with other lolicons who lust for Sue.
Thinking back, it's kinda funny how he lectured Hato about how living his fujo fantasies was not visble in real life yet je did pursue his own in the end by choosing sue, a loli autist who can only spout anime refernces.
>oh really, then would the Madarame from Genshinken act like the Protagonist in this series?
Obviously, yes? The fuck answer are you expecting? Madarame turned into a spineless and undecisive faggot by the end of the series, he just ended up with a different girl (that Saki pretty much had to choose FOR him because even then he was an indecisive fuck).
I don't even know where the mangaka can go from here with this character. If the point of it is to show notMadarame as a pathetic unprincipaled waste of air who's not fit to be a parent or a spouse and totally break him down, then it's a success, but he's already completely irredeemable at this point. Cheating on your wife who loves you and is at home with your days-old baby because of jealousy is a corner you can't paint yourself out of.
>I'm convinced he would.
Then why are you fucks complaining about him being an unfaithful insecure fuck, if its in character to the previous series?
It would be like complaining that Onizuka got blue balled again in one of the sequels.
and yet she still doesnt know what his cum tastes like.
Sometimes people vent when a good friend they once admired ended up becoming a huge unfaithful asshole.
Also the timeline of this series is set in the future, so people want to see if the main character continues on his path of faggotry or of he actually grew as a person.
We thought he did, because he had a stable life. But then the latest chapter proved us wrong and showed us that he'll always come back to ruining the good things he has for himself.
Blowjobs have literally nothing to do with it. Read the fucking series. Hell, read the fucking chapters in question and not just a handful of random pages posted in the thread.
He's insecure as fuck when he sees them alone together because the other guy is better than him in every way and a confident Chad version of himself. He's just as knowledgeable as him about anime, even more knowledgeable about porn (They even have very similar tastes in porn iirc), better than him at video games, actually followed his dreams and got a job designing video games, and on top of that is good looking, confident, and an all around really nice guy. That's why he gets insecure as hell when he sees the two of them together, he knows that there's no way he can beat him at anything and it makes him worried his wife might trade up to a better husband.
But why? Unless she's cheating on him he has no reason to be jealous, he's her fucking husband.
This is so bizarre, even the most petty, jealous motherfucker wouldn't pull this kind of shit.
That's how I know you're a bitch. Like >>161835131
Everybody has a reason.
Yes. He cheated because he couldn't get his dick wet the normal way, so he went to go find strange. You mongoloids have no basic understanding of human nature.
And again, MEN DON'T LIKE HAVING SEX WITH PREGNANT BITCHES. IT'S A FUCKING FETISH FOR A REASON, YOU DUMB CUNTS.
>MEN DON'T LIKE HAVING SEX WITH PREGNANT BITCHES
And some women don't like sucking dicks she was willing to compromise for him. Why not him for her?
He couldn't just have a wank and wait until she wasn't pregnant anymore? After birth most women get crazy horny, which is why you get so many instances of siblings being just a year apart.
This character sounds like he has some legit mental issues.
>he'll always come back to ruining the good things he has for himself.
on that note, WHY IN THE EVER LIVING FUCK!
WHY I SUBJECT MYSELF TO SUCH A FUCKING TORTUROUS SERIES IF THE END GAME IS THIS TRASHY MANGA?
Why would i got back to read and endear myself to characters that I know will turn out like they do in this series?
So to this faggot, >>161834717 >>161834597
I say fuck you, Im enjoying this trainwreck because I have no attachement to these characters beyond what has been present, what kind of cuck would willingly subject themselves to disappointment?
ah here you are.
>He's insecure as fuck
Which ive stated over and over again, you seem to have some form of dyslexia where you cant read beyond the shit that makes you mad.
because like >>161835151 claimed, and ive repeatedly stated, he is an insecure faggot, that believe she will eventually trade up.
Is she insecure about the past sexual relationships, he has had with other women?
Is she insecure about him getting pegged by the tranny?
Cause the cause of him cheating is clearly his insecurity, which she doesnt seem to have at all.
Because it was literally the best they could ever hope for. Marriage was all about business, but people aren't automatons, so their only option for romance was cheating or hoping that they'd grow to love their spouse later.
Yeah I thought it was a cute manga about a married relationship between a nerdy dude and his wife who didn't get his stuff that much but still loved him, and them working through pregnancy while being young
I guess it's a trainwreck?
Sorry but "insecure" isn't an excuse for cheating on your postpartum wife with a tranny because she's on good terms with her ex. He should get a mental health evaluation. There's insecure and then there's self-destruction.
>I guess it's a trainwreck?
yes, with the added bonus that anyone that followed the previous series is losing their shit over something that would be completely expected of the character.
of course it isnt an excuse, but it is a motivator for him to do it, he is a shitty person, no one in this thread seems to have claimed otherwise.
>on that note, WHY IN THE EVER LIVING FUCK!
WHY I SUBJECT MYSELF TO SUCH A FUCKING TORTUROUS SERIES IF THE END GAME IS THIS TRASHY MANGA?
The first Genshiken is legitimately great. It was solid series with a likeable cast and ended in an uplifting manner with the main cast graduating and saying their goodbyes to university life and entering adulthood.
People who read Nidaime read it to because it was the sequel. It was bad.
People read Spotted Flower because the early parts was purely Genshiken universe territory, and it was fun. And then characters from Nidaime started showing up, but it didn't hinder from the main couple, so it was still fun.
But then Hato fucked Madarame, and that's how we're all here now, tired and angry.
>that followed the previous series is losing their shit
Never read Genshiken. This came out of left field to me and is the reason I haven't started reading Genshiken at all if I can expect a late game tonal shift.
Quid pro quo. Suck the dick first. It's called "foreplay". Don't bitches like that sort of thing?
A husband now knows he will never receive an intimate moment that his wife gave to another man that they both called friend. Would you still sit here in judgement of the husband while finding the wife faultless? You, sir, are an ignoramus, and I hope a critical decision is never forced upon you.
>First series was great
>Second series fucked it up
>Current series started good then turned to shit.
There is a pattern here you should have seen coming, there is no reason for me to subject myself to your pain at all.
You and me are on the same boat, im partly enjoying where this series is going, if I got endeared to the characters for who they were in a great series, I would not be able to enjoy this anymore.
I'm not saying you should read it, I'm just saying that you have no idea what you're talking about because you don't know the full details of the characters and their history.
You can't have sex until after four-six weeks after a woman gives birth.
This had to do more than just the sex. This was a piling on of humiliation and insecurity unto a cowardly man that was too much to bear. After being denied one of the greatest pleasures of life from his "love", the shock of seeing the man that did receive being on such friendly terms with his wife was too much for him to bear. Thus, he cheated.
>you have no idea what you are talking about
is the MC an insecure faggot and a terrible person?
This series leads me to believe so.
>did the wife have sexual experiences that she has not had with the husband?
She doesnt know what his cum tastes like does she?
>Is the MC constantly comparing himself to his wifes Ex and feels inferior to him?
I believe he does
So tell me, do I need to read the previous series to know these points or am I wrong in any of them?
Maybe stop pressuring him for sex when he clearly doesn't want to? Maybe accept the compromise of a blowjob with the knowledge sex will come after the birth? Maybe stop being a bitch and your husband won't try to find happiness elsewhere?
Does it just appear that way to him or
1. does he know
2. that she really has strong romantical feelings for the friend
3. and seeks out getting those
4. while not engaging in erotic acts?
All four of those need to be true for "emotional cheating" to occur. Otherwise, he's just being an insecure asshole over normal human interactions.
>She cheated on him emotionally.
The only upside of this is that if you're so pathetic that you can look at an adoring woman growing round and fecund with your seed as the proof of your bond grows within her and think "fat pig" you're guaranteed to never reproduce and thus the gene of this particular faggotry will die when you do.
Madarame was great in that delusional otaku who lives by his convictions type of way. The Madarame from early Genshiken is c completley different character and somehow less of a beta despite being a kisless virgin.
He won't sexually pleasure her (in a mutually enjoyable/stimulating way) but wants her to pleasure him (in a way where there's no stimulation in it for her) and won't compromise and meet her halfway, even though she's willing to. He's selfish and doesn't deserve her.
Thats not gonna happen. Not!Madarama is just feeling inadequate after facing Not!Saki's ex BF. With feelings of misplaced dumb jealously is trying to rile up Not!Saki by hanging out with his old crusher for revenge. Which is fucking stupid because not!Madarame won the not!Saki bowl in physical embodiment of a win in the form of a progeny but nontheless a human response . Nothing us going to come out of it, this is just bait, no cheating of physical kind, emotinonally maybe.
so it never did get translated that I saw. What the hell was going on here? going over how tight his ass was?
I liked the series better when it showcased realistic otakus, the different types, what a slice of japanese college otaku life is like, the realistic societal issues otakus faced, going to comiket and making friends. More than the trap and romance stuff.
First Genshiken probably used personal experience of the authors own time in his colleges otaku club.
Nidaime is lacking that since the author probably lacks the personal experience interacting with the fujos.
A fucker who has real mental issues. Like this is pretty serious, you have to do some real mental gymnastics to get to his conclusion. he aint right in the head. i dont think there are many people on his side, generally speaking (4chan is not general).
Why would a fucking exboyfriend show up to the birth of their child? Are they all a group of friends or something. I wouldn't want my fucking exgf to show up right after my wife had given birth.
>Are they all a group of friends or something
I thought this was a Spotted Flower thread, not your average /b/ thread full of completely straight guys that ask for non-homosexual dudes that kinda look like girls getting fucked in the ass.
You are sexually and/or emotionally attracted to a man. You just cannot like a trap and say that you are straight. You are gay, or at least bisexual, but not straight.