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So does Spotted Flower now belong in the same "don't read past volume x" category as Bunny Drop?

Because the early shit is cute as hell, but it sucks knowing just how much the mangaka fucks up later on
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>>161805163
What did they fuck up?
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>>161805268
mc gets mad when he remembers that his wife isn't pure and gets fucked by another man to relieve his frustration
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>>161805163
>same "don't read past volume x" category as Bunny Drop?
Only for normalfags, Bunny Drop had a perfect ending.
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>>161805619
anon, even lolicons and incest fans hated the ending
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Author can get fucked.
And I mean that literally since he loves gay shit that much.
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>>161805619
I hated it because i'm not a girl with daddy issues. I like incests but this was just garbage in every single way, from the way it was handled to the idea itself.
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Stop creating thread for this shit, basically a used good, NTR shit. I don't want to see this in the catalog anymore. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>161806019
if you want we can change it into a "manga about pregnancy" thread
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>>161805163
Wut, its that Oguie?
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>>161808535
No, it's Saki's mom
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>suddenly NTR everywhere
What the fuck is wrong with this author?
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>>161806241
>prison school ending.jpg
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>>161809551
It's the era of NTR. More and more media are joining the bandwagon, and there's more translation too.
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>>161805163
She's too cute to deserve a faggot husband like him.
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Why is this NTR? While me as well think that taking care of someone else sperm is disgusting, i don't think is enough to classified NTR.
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>>161810303
It's not NTR until she finds out and let's it keep happening. Ntr is just another word for Cuckold. Right now it's just cheating/unfaithfulness
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>>161810303
as far as we can tell, the kid is biologically his. The NTR comes from him cheating on her with his trans best friend because he's not getting laid, which is entirely his fault in the first place
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>>161810596
>Ntr is not the same as Cuckold
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>>161810680
That's not what I said. The husband getting fucking a trap while his wife is completely unaware isn't NTR.
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>>161810596
>>161810743
That's wrong.
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>>161805528
You're making this up.
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>>161810807
Please define NTR then.
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>>161805673
Bullshit. Only people that watch the anime got mad. Those that read the manga was predicting this from the start.
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>>161810809
Nope. After his wife gives birth, he sees her talking to her ex who was visiting along with other friends to give their congrats on the birth, and he gets jealous. He then runs into a tranny he knows on the way home, and then proceeds to get fucked by said tranny next to his newborns crib.
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>>161810921
I read the manga when it was still getting translated and I completely didn't see that coming at all, at least not until the timeskip happened.
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>>161810921
>Those that read the manga was predicting this from the start.
I didn't. Since him and the MILF decided not to start anything because of their kids, I thought the son of the MILF and Rin would eventually get together then shes confesses outta nowhere. If the mangaka was always planning that ending then she completely failed because there was literally no build-up, and don't give me that "b-but Rin never called him dad" bullshit.
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>>161811019
The first thing I thought after the first volumes was that Rin is going to have such an Oedipus Complex when she grows up. After learning of the backstory and the timeskip, I was already going 'Wait, are they seriously going to do this?' The only thing holding them back was that single mother love interest, but once that was out of the way, I knew it was inevitable.
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>>161810853
I don't want to try to get into carefully defining it, but it doesn't matter whether the person who is being cheated knows or not.
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>>161811129
I probably had the proper mindset going into the manga when I found out what genre this is before reading it. It was kinda obvious to me.
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>>161811196
>single mother love interest
Supidest throw away character.
Author spent dozens of chapters building up their relationship just so he could go "oh she married some faceless bussiness man in the end."
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>>161810974
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>>161806241
I'm alright with a pregnancy thread as long its all vanilla
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>>161810974
dont forget she outright refuses him fellatio several times, even though she sucked a bunch of dicks before marrying him.
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>>161811450
this is why you dont marry used goods.
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>>161811494
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>>161811237
It's not that hard. The original definition from hundreds of years ago just meant any kind of unfaithfulness between husband and wife, with the connotation that the person being cheated on was aware of it. That lead to the fetish definition that we have now of allowing and getting turned on by unfaithfulness from your partner.
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>>161811450
And? He's still trash for cheating on her after she gave birth to their first and probably last child because of some petty jealously. On top of that tried several times to get him to fuck her, even turning to cosplay, and he never gave in.
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>>161810974
This sounds like the most autistic thing in the world. Who thought this was a good idea?
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>>161811450
He could just fix the problem by fucking her, and he didn't.
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>>161811494
You can get around the jaw thing by changing the position you blow from woman
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>>161811679
>>161811665
why would he want to fuck a woman thats had several dicks in her already?

i mean, do we even know the kid is his?

apparently they got married immediately cause she was already preggers.
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>>161810974
>>161811450
So what you're telling me is this guy is somehow the most heinous combination of a cuckold, a literal faggot, and a cheating bastard? And his wife is an impure slut who refuses to give head? And it's not actually a trap but a tranny?
You normally have to read tumblr webcomics to get stuff like this.
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>>161811745
I don't know, why the fuck would you marry her if you're that disgusted by her not being a virgin? And how is asking for blow job supposed to be any better than sex?
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>>161811665
>>161811679
>says the thought of the baby being in there freaks him out too much to do it normally

I will never understand that argument. You physically can't get anywhere near close enough that you would start poking the baby. It's not even a matter of dick size, its just the mechanics of pregnancy
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>>161811873
a lot of men are idiots.
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>>161811844
cause hes a spineless faggot.

>>161811873
Its touching the belly, unless youre into that stuff, its really hard to have sex when you know theres a kid in there.
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>>161811873
Imagine your dad knocking on your bedroom's door with his dick.
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>>161811745
Why did he marry her in the first place if purity was such a big deal to him? Not that purity/being chaste means shit to him since he had no qualms getting fucked by a tranny near his newborns fucking crib.
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>>161811633
>The original definition from hundreds of years ago just meant any kind of unfaithfulness between husband and wife,
Clearly you're not actually talking about "NTR".
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>>161811944
>Imagine
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>>161811944
If I was a fucking fetus I doubt would care.
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>>161811944
You remember your time in the womb?
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>>161811999
>Why did he marry her in the first place
she was preggo and he is a spineless faggot.
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>Right now it's just cheating/unfaithfulness
Here, courtesy of anon in /h/ NTR thread.

To add, there are multiple ways to make NTR happen:
1. Rape
2. Seduction
3. Drugs
4. Blackmail
5. Betting
6. Consensual (generally the woman is the one who makes the first motions/suggestions)
7. Hypnosis/Mind Control
And then there are the non-sexual NTRs:
8. Abduction
9. Cash
10. Rescue ("saving" a wife or girlfriend from abusive husband or a woman from a fiance they don't want in a forced marriage)

2, 6, and 10 are cheating types of methods, and they are all NTR. When cheating occurs, NTR automatically happens.

NTR only means the act of stealing someone else's lover/spouse/fiancee/fiance/relation from someone else. It can also work with parents depending on any complexes involved, or, if the parent is completely taken away from their offspring.

NTR is not a silly buzzword, but an actual term based on the Japanese verb netoru, and the term is used as a shorthand for the verb in Japan. Many westerners don't understand this and just say NTR is always painful or hardcore, but that's wrong. It's an overly broad term that covers many stuff.

Below are examples of cheating stories that have an NTR label or sold in NTR publications:
Atelier Sakura's Team NTR made Uwaki Biyori (LITERALLY translates to CHEATING Days)
Netorare New Heroine (Mighty Wife) keeps on cheating on her husband albeit it's kinda of her own volition
Kuroki Hidehiko's Until You Say Yes - Dirty Wife Netorare
SugarBerrySyrup's Shinkon Medaka-chan ga Kumagawa-kun ni NTReru Hon
Almost every story in Aoi Hitori's Netorare Maniacs
Arakure's NTR Shitami Ryokou
Dekosen Takuji's Netorare Kanaezuma, Choco Pahe's Watashi no Netorare Taiken, and Kita Kazuki's Shuujuku from Siberia Maniacs Zetsubou Netorare Selection
LINDA Project's Netorarezuma series
Maririn's C92 doujinshi Kojin Satsuei 19-sai Kareshi Mochi Kouhai-kei Kyonyuu Layer for FGO is literally labeled with NTR on the cover
Just study Japanese and look for them.
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>>161811530
Slut.
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>>161811999
I think it's more of an issue of Madarame feeling inferior to her ex-boyfriend than being a purityfag.
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>>161812000
I was trying to avoid writing a dissertation anon, but here we go. Continuing where I left off about the fetish definition, while it is true that the cuckold fetish isn't an exact analog to NTR, it's still an appropriate equivalent since NTR is getting off to a specific outcome of the cuckold fetish: your significant over being so attracted and sexually satisfied by the other man (the fetish uses the terminology "bull" in english, idk if they have a word for it in japanese) that you are essentially shut out of the sexual component of your significant other's life, if not completely abandoned. That then breaks into the sub-types of NTR: Netori, where you get off on being the dude stealing some guys chick, or Netorase where you get off on the sexual jealousy and inferiority created by your chick having better sex with another guy.
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>>161812115
Your daddy does
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>expecting a guy who faps to trap porn not to go get fucked by other dudes
I mean, what was she expecting?
This is all on her.
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>>161812194
What the hell is the cash thing? Prostitution?
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>>161812307
Netorare and netori stories do not need the person who is having someone taken from them find out. The reader knows.

And while cuckold can be useful for explaining what it means to non-Japanese, you should not try to use what you know about cuckold and think that it applies to the Japanese meanings.
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>>161812416
He labeled it as non sexual, probably something like selling a family member for cash.
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>>161812265
>tfw i didn't know about this manga
>tfw i didn't know it was by the same person who did Genshiken
>tfw I DIDN'T REALIZE THIS WAS MADARAME AND SAKI

HOLY FUCKING SHIT GENSHIKEN MIGHT ACTUALLY BE COMPLETELY FUCKING RUINED FOR ME NOW. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
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I'm still mad that Hato fucked a married father and happily bragged about it to his girlfriend after.
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>>161812416
Probably ? I'm just copy pasting it.
I agree with him on the matter of "When cheating occurs, NTR automatically happens"
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I can't fault him for writing this even if I thought it was trash, but I wish this was completely original and not what's basically an alternate universe. He cheaply pulled people in with the shell of Genshiken and what I loved about the original series and dragged it through a dirty back alley.
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>>161812440
>Netorare and netori stories do not need the person who is having someone taken from them find out. The reader knows.

Fair point, I'll concede that. What's wrong with the rest of my working definition though? What japanese implications/subtleties/etc. am I missing?
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>>161812494
In case you haven't been keeping up genshiken has been shit for a long time.
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>>161810974
Don't forget that the mangaka ends the chapter with the tranny bragging to xir GF about how cute the married man she fucked was, and the man back at home going "lol this doesn't count as cheating does it?" as if the whole fiasco was meant to be comedic
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>>161812596
Now that I think about it, Genshiken Madarame is totally capable of cheating on Sue if he feels even a tiny bit insecure.
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>>161812572
I'm not the guy you're talking with, but your definition of netorase is a bit wrong.
inferiority or a better sex act doesn't need to come into play in netorase.
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>>161812348
>what was she expecting?
A baby.
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>>161812655
Does NotYajima have a cuck fetish?
Why was she okay with her boyfriend cheating on her with another guy?
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>>161812725
Bros before hoes.
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>>161812725
Shes a fuyoshi thats into Yaoi and BL.
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>>161812697
Oh i see. So what is netorase then?
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>>161811450
He refuses to fuck her, I think it's pretty fair that she refuses to give him head.
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>>161812870
Guy making her woman have sex with another man.
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>>161811530
What a whore. Hope she dies.
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>>161812655
>how to get HIV
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>>161812515
I mostly agree, but I'll add the caveat that the guy being cucked has to be introduced to the reader. Part of ntr is the framing of the whole thing. If she's just wearing a wedding ring or talking about some neglectful older husband, it probably is still NTR, but doesn't evoke the same feelings
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>>161813074
So I was just unnecessarily adding reasons for why the man would want his woman to have sex with another man, got it.
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The only good NTR is when a plump milf cheats on a neglectful husband with a shota.
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>>161813159
I concur. The thing you described is still NTR but a shitty one.
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>>161812675
I wouldn't say you're far off there, but this is some next level shit. In Genshiken, the characters mostly stopped theirselves from going down this road, and in there is the respect for responsibility even if frustrating.
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There'd better be proof because I don't believe any of you
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>>161813284
Which part. notMadarame have anal sex with notHato is the latest chapter.
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just look at this slut, lusting for another guy while her daughter and husband are near her.
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>>161813284
Check the raws.
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>>161811873
All he knows about female anatomy he learned from reading ero-doujin
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>>161813350
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>>161813284
Stop being lazy and archive, faggot.
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>>161813395
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>>161813443
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>>161813324
Jesus, is notHato at least post-op?
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>>161813855
No. He fucks Madarame in the ass.
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>>161811450
She spent the entire damn series trying to get him to fuck her pregnant brains out and he wussed out every single fucking time.

Don't make excuses for this fucking faggot.
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>>161814053
Isn't pregnant sex supposed to be amazing cause pheromones or some shit? Literal faggot
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>>161814053
Well, the series couldn't continue about her trying to get him to fuck her pregnant brains out anymore.
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>itt westerners get triggered by japanese comedy
Transsexuals are a joke in Nippon. A man trying to cheat on his pregnant wife gets fucked in the ass. That shit is hilarious.
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>>161814220
>That shit is hilarious.
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>>161810921
>Those that read the manga was predicting this from the start.
They still got mad.
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>>161814053
not making excuses for the faggot, showing the reasons why he avoided.

He is still a faggot, but that doesnt make her any less a used slut.
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>>161814632
Even Kousaka's sloppy seconds are too good for Madarame.
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>>161805528
Would say "realizing she isn't pure" and "Feeling a horrible feeling seeing her speaking with her ex again on good terms" are two different things.

You said the first one to make it sound more insane than it was for the sake of trying to bolster your argument, while the second one is something even a normal person would feel at times.
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>>161814755
Yes jealously is normal, but that doesn't mean you have to go and cheat whenever you experience it.
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>>161814863
humans are not very rational when dealing with emotional distress

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZKvaeE_Mio
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>>161814922
Cheating is one thing but he got fucked in the ass by a tranny. That's some next level shit right there.
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>This entire thread

And I was having a good day too. Damn it.
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>>161813350
Madarame please, they are talking like two normal human beings. Don't try to justify getting fucked in the ass by a guy.
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Why does Kio keep trying to make Madarame the most worthless human possible?
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Usagi Drop is kino cover to cover.
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>>161816219
so people stop trying to self insert as that loser
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>>161816256
Middle-aged housewives are self-inserting as Madarame?
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>>161816293
you'd be surprised escapism from the everyday mundane comes in all shapes and sizes
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>>161815845
>>This entire thread
You missed the first time we talked about this. The rage was palpable.

>>161816028
>they are talking like two normal human beings
That's what I don't get with people here, or like Madarame. You have to be a special kind of insecure to see/be in a relationship with a woman who is not only in love with you, accepts your weird kinks, and is having your child. To see her talk to her ex like a perfectly normal human being and then get so drunk you think it's a good idea to get fucked in the ass.

>>161812194
When cheating occurs, NTR automatically happens.
>>161812440
>Netorare and netori stories do not need the person who is having someone taken from them find out.
That is false though. NTR is based around the idea that at some point the person being cheated on finds out and is unable to act against it. This is the basis both for the original term of Cuckolding, and true for the story types associated with the descriptor.

To quote the definition used on sadpanda
>Type: Activity / Contextual
>Sub-Type: Infidelity

>Description: Another person's spouse / partner being unfaithful and the one being cuckolded being aware of the situation. Also acceptable for when the story is clearly meant to invoke jealousy or sympathy on behalf of the person being cuckolded.

>Note: Point.png Should NOT be confused with cheating.

You could argue the second sentence of the story makes this Netorare, but that's a far more subjective thing because all I feel is rage at the husband for being such a faggot. But it's important to know that cheating and Netorare are separate because Netorare is a specific context to cheating.
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>>161810921
I read it as it was published and never saw it, not to mention the author herself says in an author blurb that she never intended for the series to go for as long as it went, so it's impossible she had been planning it from the beginning
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>She had a boyfriend before so she's a slut

t. Virgins everyone who thinks this. notMadarame is a huge faggot both literally and figuratively.
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>>161812223
>>161813087
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>>161816426
>This is the basis both for the original term of Cuckolding
Nope. A cuckold was a man specifically that raises another man's child unknowingly. Like the birds that raise the egg of the cuckoo, the bird from which the word comes.

The fetish is quite literally antithetical to the Shakespearean word.
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>>161815845
Your fault for having a good day.
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>>161816460
>Blows other guys but not him
>Did wild normie things growing up with many others, but when she gets with a loser suddenly she's conservative.

typical cuck
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At first I was angry, but then I couldn't help but laugh. This whole shit is a fuck train and it's hilarious.
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>>161810809
Unfortunately, he's not.
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>>161816703
Okay allow me to rephrase then. NTR still shares a basis in the contemporary definition of the word cuckolding.

To say that all cheating is automatically NTR is inaccurate.
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Why didn't the wife just get a dildo?
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>>161817187
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>>161817014
It still doesn't merit getting fucked in the ass dude.
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>>161817295
Lewder than trying to get your husband to head pat your in utero child with his dick?
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I'd say that's the most hilarious thing of the 2017. Nothing comes close for me.
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>>161810974
>alright I don't feel like being published anymore, let's make this as shitty as possible so I can get cancelei
This is the only sound reasoning I can think of for this series to have this kind of development
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>>161817187
She wanted him to fuck her, he wanted to fuck her, but things always got in the way and he was a bit weak willed. Pregnancy was a bit of a turnoff as well for him. Irony was that he was right about to fuck her when she started going into labor. They had already started.

Toys aren't the same though, no feeling in it, especially pathetic if you're married. They both had working parts and wanted to do it, but were awkward.
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Someone post that page.
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So this literally Canon in Genshiken, right?
I don't care, Madarame won, double wins if He anal'd the trap too in the future.
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>>161820092
No, he couldn't get it up which is why the tranny had to fuck him instead.
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>>161820679
Wrong, He got hard when "Saki" got into cosplay.
"Hato" would get fucked because He literally a walking cosplay.
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>>161816426
>You missed the first time we talked about this. The rage was palpable.
fuck, does anyone have the archive? the best time to be in /a/ are the rage moments
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>>161805163
>Baby is born
>story shifts back to lessiban Mangaka friends of MC

YEP

Don't know what those hoes were in the story to begin with, Genshiken dude really put the birth of the kid in WAY too early, now there will be no more "trying to get laid again" hijinks and I don't give a fuck about those two lesbians doing doujin shit and not admiting their obvious lesbo feeling with eachother

What worse is when she finally pulls it off "oops time to have the kid!"

fuck that guy i'm so mad I wanted her to succeed but in the end kids really do ruin everything. No wonder Japans population is declining.
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>>161818175
>were awkward
Funny how she only became awkward after getting married, when she was sucking dick and doing all kinds of kinky shit before she dated him.
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Never liked this series in the first place because the pseudo ship from genshiken was shit and didn't make sense outside mada being horny
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>>161813509
>slut
>favorite position is doggy

Damn she really is wife material, most actual women want or prefer missionary which is just disgusting, I say that even on a Christian image board
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Saki was the best girl in Genshiken and she doesn't deserve any of this bullshit.

Also, isn't it fucking strange how Yajima just accepted that Hato cheated on her? Genshiken used to still make the characters human, even with their hobbies. Now it's like "oh you cheated on me but was the yaoi fantasy hot?" If this was the first Genshiken, she would have raged at Hato.
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>>161813228
spoken like a true patrician.
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>>161813228
We are soulmates.
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Still can't believe he turned down pregnancy sex.
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>>161813509
First time cow girl is what I did with my ex and we were both virgins. It's a great position for a first time couple since the guy don't have to move much(which is good since he's fucking clueless anyway) and the girl who might be having pains and bleeding can control the pace. Wife seems like a slutty bitch and the dude did the right thing cheating on her. Especially since it's japan and I would guess divorce is not taken lightly.
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>>161825323
>he did the right thing getting fucked in the ass by a tranny
anon pls
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>>161825396
If I had a slutty japanese wife and a kid with her which probably wasn't even mine I would fuck every single one of my co-workers, go to fucking prostitutes and yes, even fuck a tranny or two. Fuck that bitch. Dude did literally nothing wrong(except marrying that woman and raising what is probably another man's child.
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>>161825661
It would be entirely your own fault for marrying someone who's past you don't agree with in the first place.
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>>161825661
There's a difference between fucking a tranny and getting its dick up your ass. You don't get to call yourself a man anymore in the latter case.
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>>161825706
> marrying someone who's past you don't agree with in the first place.
Depends on if she told me of her past before or after we got married.

>>161825769
>You don't get to call yourself a man anymore in the latter case.
Whats wrong with recieving some anal?
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>>161814755
>>161805528
>>161805268
I really don't get why the guy is so fucking jealous. She may have dated and had sex with other guys, but she married HIM and is carrying HIS child.
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>>161825807
If you have such a huge problem with that kind of history, its your responsibility to ask about it.
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>>161825825
I would be kinda anoyed if I married a girl and I really enjoyed blowjobs but she refused to give them to me, even though I knew she's given plenty of blowjobs before. Why would she blow those guys but not me who is her husband that she supposedly loves?
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>>161825966
Why wasn't this sorted out before you married?
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>>161826010
Arranged marriage.
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>>161826077
>arranged marriage
>love
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>he won't fuck her
>she won't give him a blowjob
Not sure why she's entirely in the fault here when he wont give her what she wants either. At least what she wants is mutual pleasure while he's basically asking a chore from her with nothing in return.
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>>161826118
Well, yes. The idea that you should fall in love first and then marry is an extremely modern idea and a pretty shitty one at that since most marriages end up in divorce. For thousands of years arranged marriages were the norm. The idea was that you would fall in love after you got married.
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>>161826226
>The idea was that you would fall in love after you got married.
Not really. They were more business-y. Japanese men even went to Geisha for emotional satisfaction because that's not what a good wife was for.
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>>161826159
>while he's basically asking a chore from her with nothing in return.
That's what sex is. Alot of it is foreplay, and there are ways to make both feel good. I'm not a fan of giving oral sex to my girlfriend but I enjoy it alot more if she blows me at the same time. Also, different people like different things, perhaps he finds getting a blowjob alot more pleasurable than having vaginal intercourse. You have to be able to compromise and give and take when it comes to sex.
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>>161825825
Welcome to neo-/a/ ladies and gentlemen. Enjoy your stay with the new userbase of slut-defending roasties
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>>161826288
Read any romance litterature for classical greece or medieval europe.
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Guys Spotted Flower isn't Genshiken. They're supposed to be separate and Spotted Flower is supposed to be Kio's personal Garry's Mod sandbox to do all the crazy shit he wouldn't be allowed to do in Genshiken proper.

This is funny as HELL to watch. It's like stacking 10000 exploding barrels on top of each other and making an explosion so big it crashes your computer.

I secretly want the cheating to continue
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>>161826335
>romance litterature
Not a representation of reality now, and certainly not then either.
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>>161817014
She could've blown one dude and hated it after the first time. You're a retarded virgin
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>>161826373
You keep telling yourself that.
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>>161826454
Yeah, romance literature for classical greece or medieval europe is totally realistic, not romanticized to hell and back like ones in modern times. Right.
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>>161826313
Just as long as you enjoy being involuntarily celibate for the rest of your life
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>>161826547
You failed to read my original post where I clearly stated that was the idea back then. Kinda like how the idea now is to fall in love with a girl and then marry her. Back then the ideal romance was that you first got married and then fell in love.
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>>161826583
>ideal
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W-was the trap hot, at least?
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>>161812655
where did you get the raw from?
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>>161823082
>Saki was the best girl in Genshiken and she doesn't deserve any of this bullshit.
This.
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>>161805163
>Bunny Drop
Usagi Drop you fucking pleb.
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>>161826077
That would definitely be sorted out before an arranged marriage.
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>>161826657
Virtually indistinguishable from a woman with clothes and had boobs, but waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay beside the point.
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>>161826745
I can only find it in the archive surprisingly.
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>>161805163
>So does Spotted Flower now belong in the same "don't read past volume x" category as Bunny Drop?
The biggest example of this I can think of is Yamada-kun, where after the story ends the author continues for over a hundred chapters rehashing the exact same story because he wants money.
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>>161825825
>she married HIM
Doesn't mean anything, she can still cheat

>is carrying HIS child
Or is she?
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>>161826893
I got it, damn what happened to the slice of life story i was reading. didn't take long for japan to fuck it up with cheating
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>>161805163
The ending to Usagi Drop is perfectly fine. It's the shit between the ending and the timeskip that is shit because it's jousei shit of the worst kind.
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>>161814922
This Rebecca is thic.
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>>161810974
Picked the fuck up
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>>161805673
I didn't.
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>>161822668
Hilarious.
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>>161825323
Subhumans like yourself deserve to be concentrated in camps.
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>>161827271
A man has every right to cheat on a woman, the guy did nothing wrong here.
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>>161827334
They both deserve death, and you do too.
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They're both trash. No need to pick a side. He shouldn't have cheated on her and she should have given him a blowjob. It is a wife's job to sexually satisfy her husband. Wow her jaw might hurt, guess she cant be bothered. What a selfish cunt.
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>>161827334
I need a good laugh, please explain your reasoning
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>>161827471
She tried to cosplay for him. She tried.
It's not her fault her husband is a literal faggot.
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>>161826836
>Virtually indistinguishable from a woman
What's the issue then?
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>>161827543
He explained very clearly what he wanted and it would have taken her like a minute of very minor pain. On top of that, she did it before so it's not like it's humiliating to her or something. She's just being selfish.
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>>161827334

>>>/pol/
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>>161827576
>She's just being selfish.
So she doesn't blow him while he has a broken arm, but also has to cosplay for him and wear the types of underwear he likes just to get a pity fuck while she's pregnant?

Sounds to me like her faggot husband who faps to traps didn't deserve a blowjob. Those aren't a right, they are a privilege.
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>>161827576
You're being retarded. No one should be forced to do something they don't like during sex. That dude is a literal faggot.
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>>161826944
>The biggest example of this I can think of is Yamada-kun
Is that the seven witches shit? She's a fucking hack. It was the same in her previous series(Yankee-kun) and it turned to shit, but she still did the same thing with Yamada-kun anyway.
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>>161827632
>>161827639
I could understand if a blowjob was humiliating, because I don't think the wife should have to do something that humiliates her. I certainly wouldn't say a wife should have to agree to anal, for that reason. But again, she's done it before so it's just the pain that's bothering her, and to avoid pleasing her husband because of a minor pain is pretty selfish. Especially since she has done it for another man before, which could make him feel jealous.
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>>161827454
>>161827516
A woman can get pregnant but a man can't. It's a man's job to fuck as many women as he can, preferably behind his mate's back.
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>>161805163
>Spotted Flower
holeeee shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeet
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>>161827639
No one would be forcing her retard. It's not like the husband would force his cock down her throat. And I agree that you should not do something you feel is humiliating. Put if your partner really enjoys blowjobs you should be able to do them to make him happy. I have done things to my gf I know she likes but that I think is a fucking chore, a sensual massage for example.
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Man what the fuck happened to Madarame? I actually looked up to him like ten years ago when I started watching/reading Genshiken but over the years he just kept getting worse and worse, and now I can't even recognize him. I don't even blame Saki for destroying him. There's a limit to how weakly you can hold to your purported values.
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>>161827718
Tons of girls hate giving blowjobs after they do it. Should they be forced to do it forever? She was willing to spread her legs open for him and cosplay. He didn't do shit for her. The dude is such a faggot he couldn't get it hard when he cheated so he had to take it up the ass instead.
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>>161827802
Putting a cock in your mouth isn't the same thing as anything you've done I bet.
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>>161827843
The problem lies in that she has given blow jobs to other guys and actually swallowed, she has never done that for him, and yet they are in a supposed meaningful relationship bound by marriage, im not saying he isnt a spineless faggot, but she would have saved herself the trouble if she had just blown him like she did other guys.
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>>161827695
>Is that the seven witches shit? She's a fucking hack. It was the same in her previous series(Yankee-kun) and it turned to shit, but she still did the same thing with Yamada-kun anyway.
Yeah it was just horrible. The story wrapped up really cleanly and then she panics and says "wait a minute, I'm not gonna get $$$ anymore, how can I keep it going?" And since there's no room left to develop the plot, she just starts the story over with new characters. It completely ruined the excellent closure the series had. On top of that, later on she retcons some key details involved with the characters which makes no sense and retroactively makes the early part of the story shittier.

Originally, Yamada and his friend got in a fight with some kids and his friend reported him to get some pussy. It was a major part of characterization for Yamada, his friend, and the girl. But in the second part of the manga it gets retconned so that none of that happened and it was all a fake memory implanted by magic.

On top of all that, the author never addressed the increasingly looming question of "WHY THE FUCK DOES THIS SCHOOL RANDOMLY GIVE 7 GIRLS MAGICAL KISSING POWERS?!" It's literally never answered. Instead of resolving that plot hole, the author makes the story even more confusing by making Shiraishi into a super witch and retconning that apparently the reason everything happened and the reason Yamada had his power is because Shiraishi wished to spend her school life with him before the story started. Let's not even go into how fucked up it is that the main heroine used a magic power to force the MC to be with her and to control all of her friends fates.
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>>161827718
>Especially since she has done it for another man before
She's already sucked his dick and was going to suck his again right there after some negotiations. He literally blew his load from her breath on his dick.

And the whole blowjob was part of her trying to have sex anyways which he promised he would do after the BJ and he never delivered on because he's a one pump chump.

Did you read the manga or come here to talk about what you feel women owe you?
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>>161827719
But he wasn't fucking women, he was being a woman.
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>>161828036
And the first Blowjob he got she initiated anyways. Honestly there is no defending this guy, his wife does so much for him and he rewards that loyalty by doubting their relationship at every turn. His insecurity is why he got fucked in the ass, not because of anything she did to him.
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>>161810921
Judging by the responses seems like I'm the only one who was alright with the ending.
To be honest I never understood why so many people were mad because "muh incest", in the first part of the manga Rin clearly states that she didn't saw Daikichi as a father but rather her guardian
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>>161828127
I liked the ending. I though it fit well enough. They never had a real daughter and father relationship.
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>>161827543
>>She tried to cosplay for him. She tried.
and in that moment he started to sex her, but then her water broke. They were doing it, stop acting like he turned her down when she cosplayed.

But the world kinda piles on at the worst times; he's horny now, feeling jealous because she's getting along with her ex, thinking about the fact that she blows him and swallows for him regularly and won't do it for him, and even if he knows he's being pathetic he can't stop feeling like that.

Then some homo calls him, and in his frenzied state he ends up responding.
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>>161828127
i think people get pissed off because of the "grooming" aspect, and because the author nuked 2 good relationships for them both just for the sake of wincest end.
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>>161827567
*with clothes on. My bad. Still had a wang. Which notMadarame took up the ass
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>>161828127
The ending wasn't as bad as it could have been, but I'm not going to pretend it wasn't some retarded contrived shit with multiple dei ex machina that had no buildup until the very end. It could have been done much, much better.
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>>161828350
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>>161805673
no we didnt
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>>161827802
Coercion/pressuring is still forcing, though to a much lesser degree. But honestly the real problem here is that they're having forced negotiations instead of being able to get into the mood together, because Madarame is such an insecure manchild who's scared of the pregnancy. Clearly we've seen she's not totally unwilling to blow him, but even irl if you ask your girl to just blow you out of nowhere of course she'll tell you to fuck off. If notMadarame could stand to be intimate with his wife for like 5 seconds, like you did for your gf, I'm sure negotiations would go much better for both sides.
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>>161828578
There is no coercion. He's just asking and hoping she'll pity him enough to suck him off. Marriage isn't some fairytale where both partners get horny at the same time and crave for the same thing.
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>>161827471
>It is a wife's job to sexually satisfy her husband.
You're making it harder for me to dismiss white sharia as a meme
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>>161828578
>if you ask your girl to just blow you out of nowhere of course she'll tell you to fuck off.
unless youre super hot or rich.
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>>161826657

NotHato is cute.
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>>161829022
Madarame is a faggot but he's a faggot with good taste.
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>>161829022
Also yandere
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>>161827994
>The story wrapped up really cleanly

When will retards stop saying this? If it ended at that point then the entire fucking mystery of the 7 witches wouldn't have been revealed or resolved. Please don't say some dumb shit like "Leave it to your imagination", not answering the main mystery of your series is one of the biggest things a hack can do.

She could have handled it way better though and didn't need to have more than one set of witches.
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>>161827802
The husband refused to have sex with her first, something that should come naturally to any non faggot
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>>161828127
That doesn't mean she wanted to fuck him though.
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I thought the author said it was just a big What IF story. This is supposed to be on another reality or some shit like that.
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>>161829878
Considering it's the only genshiken running anymore, it feels very canon and honestly you could see it happening pretty easily
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>>161823082
>saki was the best girl
What is with /a/ and loving girls that are intolerable bitches for 80% of the series just because they turn it around near the end.
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>>161830099
They want to believe that in the end the girls that treated them like shit in school really wanted to be their waifu.
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>>161826159
She wasn't giving him any before he stopped having sex with her either
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>>161828972
Is this MTSP?
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>they think the child is his
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>>161830318
Yeah some cuck completely colored the whole Tank.
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>>161823082
>isn't it fucking strange how Yajima just accepted that Hato cheated on her

notYajima might actually be insane.
>hid and listened while notHato was trying to seduce notMadarame at her office.
>offered to let notHato live out xir dream of male impregnation by donating one of her eggs to him so they could have a child together
>thought it was awesome that notHato bragged about cheating on her
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>>161830396
Absolutely based, thank you.
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>>161829878

No.
Rather he has specifically said that Spotted Flower has no connection to Genshiken at all.
But it is clear he is mostly just being cheeky, that and SF wasn't published in the same magazine as Genshiken so perhaps there's a legal reason for saying as such as well.
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>>161830404
NotYajima is the ultimate cuck.
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>>161830703
I dont know why on top of making the characters thinly veiled exports from Genshiken, he also decided to nuke everyone's relationships. On top of madarame and kousaka being really weird around each other, there's also some weird love polygon between all the fujos from nidaime.
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Have we seen Not!Sasahara and Not!Ogiue yet in SF?
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>>161830099
Dude, Saki's a great character who made Genshiken interesting because she clashed with Madarame and doesn't stand for bullshit. She wasn't even in Nidaime for more than 10 chaps and yet every time she was there, she fixed things because everyone else was too pathetic to do anything actually productive.
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>>161828279
Stop making excuses for this piece of shit, you can see in the thread from >>161828113 and >>161828036 that she's done EVERYTHING to keep the guy happy and his insecure ass was still fucking petty and jealous even though the wife promised they're going to have wild-ass sex the moment they get home together.

Like shit, what kind of sad pathetic self-destructive fuck would let himself be sodomized by someone else in front his newborn child's crib?
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>>161813228
eh, you might be onto something

>shota

lost me
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>>161832523
who do you think?
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>>161832523
>Like shit, what kind of sad pathetic self-destructive fuck would let himself be sodomized by someone else in front his newborn child's crib?

There was a time when I used to look up to Madarame.... It's sad that this is who he is now.
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>>161832523
>Like shit, what kind of sad pathetic self-destructive fuck would let himself be sodomized by someone else in front his newborn child's crib?

The kind that managed to turn himself gay by fapping to too much trap porn. Let that be a lesson to everyone: Traps. Not even once.
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>>161832229
Huh, I just realized that every time something shitty happened to Madarame, it's Saki who always comes in to fix things.

Who will fix things for him now that it's SAKI that he wronged here.
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Sad thing is I can picture actual Madarame cheating on Sue with trannies too. He would totally do it.
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>>161832736
Saki of course. She'll become the epitome of a noble enduring yamato nadeshiko by forgiving Madrame, kicking Hato's ass and fucking Madarame senseless.

Jk, madrame's gonna get cucked
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>>161829878
This is a what-if story.

And I think the sad thing is if in this alternate reality, Madarame has so little self-worth that he can cheat on Saki, he'll DEFINITELY cheat on Sue in the future when she's hot and every dude wants to bang her.
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>>161832708
This is what gets me the most.
The moment you catch your husband fapping to trap porn is the moment you leave his ass.
She asked to be cheated on.
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>>161832823
If sue doesn't realize she's gay first anyway
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>>161832736
Saki, again, by filing for divorce.

Saki doesn't put up with bullshit, and I remember in the original series, even though Saki was a normie she took relationships seriously. I'll be disappointed in Kio if Saki just lets Madarame get away with what he did.
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>>161832853
Don't forget that it's made EXPONENTIALLY worse by the fact that she knows Hato's still actively pursuing Madarame
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Guys stop. Traps are NOT gay. >>161829022 is clearly not gay to be into, even if it has a penis.
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>>161832856
This reminds me, noHato was annoyed that NotSue groped the fatty and asked that she stopped.
Can Hato be anymore of a garbage person?
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>>161832853
I think she was also counting on his spinelessness to not actually DO anything.

It turns out, unfortunately, he's more insecure about their marraige than she thought.
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>>161832949
Hato is a fucking selfish homewrecking bitch.

Makes me annoyed at fujos who were convinced that HatoMada were healthy for each other and thought Hato could do no wrong.
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>>161832937
>he let his ass get fucked by said trap
It sure as hell seems like traps are gay in this case dude.
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>>161833028
There's a "the perfect woman was a man all along" joke to be made here I know it.

But seriously, that's some stereotypical tumblr sjw tier shit to wreck someone's marriage and be the only one allowed to fuck around in a relationship
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>>161832708
>Traps. Not even once.
Note how he gave the same lines about how liking traps is normal and not being gay.

He gets fucked in the ass 20 chapter later. There is a reason the Japanese birth rate is declining.
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An interesting scenario has now occurred in the series tho: who will side with who in their friend groups when two of your friends cheat on their partners who are also your friends?
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>>161833180
Fuck forgot my picture.
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>>161833028
Hato didn't even stay to talk about the cheating he and Madarame did.
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>>161832644
>what kind of sad pathetic self-destructive fuck would let himself be sodomized by someone else in front his newborn child's crib?
Could someone post said page? I'm curious.
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>>161833221
The lesson here is that traps ARE gay and yu shouldn't trust anyone who likes them since they are cheaters on the making.
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>>161833189
Saki will get the most sympathy, obviously.

I think a lot of the friends would end up being really disappointed, but unsurprised, at Madarame.
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>>161832523
It's not his kid, you fat ugly disgusting whore. The bitch should have blew him. Simple as that.
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>>161812494
>genshiken
>THIS WAS MADARAME AND SAKI
I only watched the anime and kinda enjoyed it.... what the fuck man.
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>>161832523
>she's done EVERYTHING
except swallow.
Oh pardon me, except swallow his cum, shes swallowed the cum of other guys already.
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>man gets fucked in the ass by another man to comfort himself with his wife daring to talk to another human being
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>>161833506
This is why you don't date otaku.
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>>161833450
The manga discussed already that the kid is his, he's just an insecure paranoid. Also in the old series, Saki was always serious about the relationships she's in even if she was a normalfag.

Actually in light of all the bullshit happening to SF, I kinda wish the kid WASN'T his.
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>>161833496
Still, the answer isn't losing your anal virginity to a tranny.
Just leave the girl.
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>>161833496
Yeah and getting fucked in the ass while you're in a committed relationship for something your wife did when you weren't together is totally fine.
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>>161833596
>leaving your wife who just gave birth to your child
>because she wouldn't give you oral
Where is your pride as a man
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>>161833643
What kind of filthy ass disgusting degenerate has sex with a woman when she is nine months pregnant? The one in the wrong here is the stupid cunt who thinks because just because she's a stupid bitch with holes, any fucking guy will jump for joy to stick his dick in.
No. That's not how it works. If anything, that flaming homosexual will realize it's better to be fucked in the ass and leave to go die in a puddle of ass juice, aids, and semen. At least then he'll be happy.
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>>161833450
>The bitch should have blew him
>>161833496
>except swallow his cum

All she needed was a little air and he blows his load. And you can't swallow when he cleans his dick off on a napkin right afterwards.

Read the fucking manga.
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>>161833652
>>161833643
>>161833596
I bet the Tranny sucked him off before sticking it in his ass.
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The dumbasses in this thread keep going back to blowjobs when we know Madarame's issue was that Saki was still friends with Kousaka.

Which is fucking hypocritical of him because Saki lets him still be friends with Hato, even though she knows Hato liked him.
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>>161833652
I'm tslking about Madarame here.
The guy masturbates to gay porn and is clearly gay himself. Nothing good would come from him staying.
Also, we've stablished he has no pride.
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>>161833697
did she ever try again?
no
does she know the taste of his semen?
no
Does she knows the taste of other guys semen?
Yes
This is why you dont date used goods.
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Are people really surprised that a spineless piece of shit like Madarame and a psycho and terrible person like Hato would pull something like this? The only reason it never happened sooner was Madarame is a cowardly bastard and never got drunk enough to go through with it.
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>>161833697
Then what the fucks the problem? Just do it again. The point is, she wouldn't do it. That's the problem.
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He should've just asked her to peg him if he wanted it in the ass.
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>>161833698
Nope. He couldn't get it up, that's why the tranny was doing the fucking.
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>>161833768
I'm actually not surprised, but as a Sakifag, I'm mad at him even though I already know Saki is way out of his league.

>>161833797
The blowjobs wasn't the problem dumbass, it was how she still talks to her ex (who is his friend).
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>>161833758
Virgins are overrated and the sex is bad and awkward and clumsy.
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>>161833797
>did she ever try again?
Read the next page, he blew his only load and doesn't have the stamina to get it back up again. And this isn't the first time she's (tried) to blow him.

Seriously the chapters are like 10 pages long. Read them first before commenting.

>Used goods
Honestly him being a closeted fag who faps to traps is the only problem in this relationship.
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>>161833758
Apparently it tastes bad. She hates giving them too, she says. I'm guessing that maybe she doesn't want to associate something she hates with someone she loves?
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>>161833830
So it's alright for her to have blown these number of "friends", know what their cum tastes like, but when it comes time to reciprocate the feeling with her "husband", she can't be bothered?
Go fuck yourself, you tranny trainwreck fuck. Nasty ass bitches such as yourself are the reason men pump and dump your dumbasses, then you sit around wondering why you can't find a good man.
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>>161833870
yes sure, cause yelling at him is totally a way to arouse him.

>>161833887
>she hates giving them
yet she gave it to others to completion and not to her husband.

>associate something she hates with someone she loves?
By that reasoning, then he shouldnt fuck her pregnant ass if he doesnt like it.
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>>161833870
All of you fags would be happier if you stopped pretending that you're either straight or a fag.
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>>161833870
Oh, so it's his fault that he couldn't get his dick back up after blowing his load for a fatass who not only didn't blow him, who also just wants to rape him because she can't do any better? Gotcha.
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>>161833924
>yes sure, cause yelling at him is totally a way to arouse him.
>>161833973
>>161833937
>>>/r9k/
go bitch about your women problems somewhere else.
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>>161833923
Thing is, he decided to marry her
If her being used goods was such a problem then the healthy thing is to walk away.
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>>161833923
lmao you've obviously never read or know the series
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>>161834001
lol. Stupid bitch. Can't handle banter, can't handle arguments. Go back to the kitchen.
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>>161833924
People force themselves to do things they don't want to do in order to be accepted.
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>>161834001
M8 don't include me in that. I just think you're all pussies for fearing dick so much.
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>>161834028
All those words and you haven't said anything. Really joggin the noggin there.
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>>161834032
Wow you sure showed him
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>>161834025
Like everyone's said in the thread, he's a spineless bastard. Thing is though, that doesn't mean there aren't things those types of people won't draw the line at and in this man's case, it's fucking a fatass.
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>>161834059
What do I say to someone who doesn't know the series or the characters or even if they did, they weren't paying attention?
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>>161834032
>can't handle arguments
What argument. You have never read the series and don't know what you are talking about. You don't know what it means to be in a relationship and you don't know anything about these characters.
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>>161834073
Sure did. Just like when he cried about me to going to a different board.
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Really, the only problem here is that he can't accept he is gay.
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>>161834094
Look, he got willingly fucked in the ass, dude.
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>>161834025
and she decided to marry him, if the problem is he is a faggot that like traps, then she can walk too.

>>161834042
im sure those guys she blew accepted her enough to marry her, oh wait, they didnt. Well at least she gave the guy that married her the same treatment she gave others, oh wait, she didnt.

>>161834094
>he's a spineless bastard.
we all agree on this.

>>161834142
He clearly enjoyed that more than fucking a pregnant woman.
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>>161834117
The man should have been given a blow job.
That's the argument here. You can cry, lie, try to twist it anyway around you like, fact of the matter is, that's what should have happened.
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>>161834161
He doesn't deserve a blowjob.
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>>161834117
What does it mean to be in a relationship, senpai?
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>>161834161
You really don't know anything if you believe this is all just because of blowjobs.
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>pick this up yesterday
>having a comfy time
>this thread
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>>161834195
We're talking about dicks care to join us?
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>>161834159
>and she decided to marry him, if the problem is he is a faggot that like traps, then she can walk too.
There is no way she knew his love for dicks before getting married.
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>>161834195
Why would you expect anything satisfying from the person who wrote Gensiken?
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>>161834177
Whelp, nothing I say will change your mind. I hope you continue to enjoy the sexual deviations of a man pushed too far. Hey, maybe next time he'll be fucking a dog, who knows? Either way, he won't be fucking that fatass.
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>>161834177
then she doesnt deserve to be fucked while pregnant.
>>161834186
oh certainly, the main issue here, is that she has done things for other lovers, that she didnt do for him. Thus pushing the spineless faggots insecure ass on the cock of a tranny.

>>161834228
and he clearly didn't know she had given BJs to fulfillment to other guys.
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>>161834161
>The man should have been given a blow job.
Read chapter 10 and come back to me.
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>>161834161
>can't get a blowjob
>decide to get fucked in the ass instead
Something is not quite right here.
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>>161834260
>oh certainly, the main issue here, is that she has done things for other lovers, that she didnt do for him.
Wrong. You haven't read anything if that's your conclusion.
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>>161834261
Oh, right, forgive me, he was given a LITERAL blowjob. You know those quirky Japanese and their love of puns!
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>>161834320
if you're going to quote me, use the full sentence, just cutting up the part that helps your narrative is very disingenuous.
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>He just doesn't want to fuck her because the pregnancy weirds him out.

He faps to pregnant trap porn.
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>>161834373
That is the full sentence from the beginning to the full stop, you dick loving retard.
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>>161834373
The whole reply is inaccurate. And there's no use of me explaining why because you haven't read Genshiken or Nidaime even if I assume you've read Spotted Flower.
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>>161834399
>real life isn't like my taiwanese mangos
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>>161834373
I thought you left.
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>>161834241
Damn. I guess I should have known better.
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>>161834400
>>161834410
>Thus pushing the spineless faggots insecure ass on the cock of a tranny.

is he an insecure faggot?
yes
does he have issues with his wife's previous lover?
yes
Is he spineless enough to get fucked in the ass?
we know he is.
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>>161834368
I mean, knowing she tried to give him a blowjob and he was so pathetic that he came from just some breathing isn't helping his case.
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>>161834368
>>161834373
So this is an evening well spent for you guys huh?
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>>161834260
>and he clearly didn't know she had given BJs to fulfillment to other guys.

He was good friends with her and her exboyfriend through the entierety of their relationship if this really is Genshiken. Pretty sure he knew they were fucking and sucking.
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>>161834487
What else are we going to do on a Saturday night?
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>>161834450
the fact that it was never attempted again, and she went so far as to dress up in a ridiculous outfit to avoid giving him a BJ to completion, shows how much she values him.

Also, dick move inviting of the wife, inviting her ex to the hospital, when she knows her Husband is a beta cuck, that will be intimidated by the alpha chad that did get a proper BJ from her.

>>161834494
really?
Then why does this page >>161811530 happen?
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>>161834449
All you listed is true, but your first sentence made the issue about how she did favors towards her ex that she didnt do to him, when it's not.

His issue is that he's insecure when he sees that the ex and her are still friendly towards each other.
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>>161834260
Madarame was the one who said to her he wasn't gay and that it was totally normal for otaku guys to fap to traps.
He deceived her.
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I remember finishing the original run of Genshiken then I read about nidaine and this shit here

Thank god I didn't pick either one up
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>>161834550
Just shut up and read Genshiken and maybe Nidaime even though it sucks so that you'll actually know what you're talking about.
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>>161834450
So your solution is to quadruply insult the man by not only a. refusing to do so, b. stating you will never try again after the first embarrassing failed attempt, c. also breaking it down point by point as to why you don't enjoy them causing guilt, and finally d. inadvertently comparing your vast multiple past experiences to the current present situation and then, to top it all off, as if that wasn't enough, you have the gall to try to feign ignorance as to why this man would then cheat on his wife?
The fuck is wrong with you?
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>>161834487
Only if you can win the argument.
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>>161834550
>Then why does this page >>161811530 happen?
She's listing the things she doesn't like about giving blowjobs. She's never swallowed for him. He calls her on that.

>>161834618
We're posting on 4chan. We've already lost.
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>>161834613
For the last fucking time, the blowjobs wasn't why he cheated on her.
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>>161834565
>All you listed is true, but your first sentence made the issue about how she did favors towards her ex that she didnt do to him, when it's not.
She knows what the taste of semen is like, but not from her husband, so she clearly did things that she hasnt done for him. Which is why I followed up with the insecurity issue.

>>161834597
Why would I read a series that is supposedly not related to this one? as stated by >>161829878
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>>161834487
Why are you even here then?
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>>161834645
Then why did he get so mad about the blowjobs?
Sound it out anon.
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>>161834550
>Also, dick move inviting of the wife, inviting her ex to the hospital, when she knows her Husband is a beta cuck, that will be intimidated by the alpha chad that did get a proper BJ from her.

He's been both their friend for years, he and Madarame still hang out without her there, and he came with a group of their friends, not by himself.
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>>161834648
>Why would I read a series that is supposedly not related to this one?
They are related, it's pretty much an alternate reality to canon, meaning that if you read the first series, you'll actually know who these characters are and you won't start saying dumbass shit you know nothing about because you don't know the characters and their history.
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>>161834687
Not to mention Saki lets Madarame hang out with hato who she knows wants to fuck him with no issue because she trusts him.
Really, there is no scenario where Madarame doesn't end up looking like himan scum.
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>>161834678
>Then why did he get so mad about the blowjobs?
He isn't. The only people mad about the blowjob are you fags. He got his stimulation

>>161834650
To post pictures of a nerd coming after having his wife put her face in the general region of her crotch and exhale apparently.
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>>161834636
>She's never swallowed for him. He calls her on that.
Thats exactly my point, she has never swallowed for him, yet she has swallowed for someone else.
Knowing how much of a spineless fuck the guy is, she panicks and denies the event then, cause his insecurity about her past lovers got worse.
As is presented on this page >>161813443 where not only is he tortured by the sight of them getting along, but also gets bossed around in the follow up pages.

>>161834645
indeed, the reason is he is insecure about his wife's past relationships, and isnt attracted to her pregnant state.
Im not saying the insecurity is the sole reason why he cheats, but it clearly played a part in pushing him onto the dick of the tranny.

>>161834717
>youll actually know these characters.
oh really, then would the Madarame from Genshinken act like the Protagonist in this series?

Or would it be out of character for him?
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>>161817014
Everyone's who's bawwwing about her refusing to blow him is missing the point that she won't suck his dick because SHE WANTS HIM TO FUCK HER AND HE WON'T. This piece of shit deserves precisely zero sympathy.
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You know, I can forgive all of this if Saki and Madarame were just boyfriend and girlfriend. At least a breakup is easy, Madarame finally admits he's a faggot, and Saki can stop holding herself back from being supportive of Madarame all the time.

But they have a child. They're fucking married. Madarame has no excuse for looking like human scum here, and I don't think his friends can help him now.
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>>161834803
>then would the Madarame from Genshinken act like the Protagonist in this series?
I'm convinced he would.
Him being a lolicon makes sense since he wouldn't have so many insecurities that way unless he stumbles with other lolicons who lust for Sue.
Thinking back, it's kinda funny how he lectured Hato about how living his fujo fantasies was not visble in real life yet je did pursue his own in the end by choosing sue, a loli autist who can only spout anime refernces.
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>>161834803
She never even got the chance to swallow. Hes so pathetic he blew his load before it even reached her mouth then couldn't get it up again because he faps too much.
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>>161834803
>oh really, then would the Madarame from Genshinken act like the Protagonist in this series?
Obviously, yes? The fuck answer are you expecting? Madarame turned into a spineless and undecisive faggot by the end of the series, he just ended up with a different girl (that Saki pretty much had to choose FOR him because even then he was an indecisive fuck).
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>>161834831
I don't even know where the mangaka can go from here with this character. If the point of it is to show notMadarame as a pathetic unprincipaled waste of air who's not fit to be a parent or a spouse and totally break him down, then it's a success, but he's already completely irredeemable at this point. Cheating on your wife who loves you and is at home with your days-old baby because of jealousy is a corner you can't paint yourself out of.
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>>161834933
>Obviously, yes?
>>161834916
>I'm convinced he would.
Then why are you fucks complaining about him being an unfaithful insecure fuck, if its in character to the previous series?
It would be like complaining that Onizuka got blue balled again in one of the sequels.

>>161834918
and yet she still doesnt know what his cum tastes like.
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>>161834831
It would just be a lighthearted comedy if it were about responsible adults, and we all know Kio hates that sort of thing.
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>>161834798
Soooo..... he cheats on his wife for no reason?
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>>161834813
Fuck off fatass. Not everyone wants to stick their dick into a pig.
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>>161834993
Sometimes people vent when a good friend they once admired ended up becoming a huge unfaithful asshole.

Also the timeline of this series is set in the future, so people want to see if the main character continues on his path of faggotry or of he actually grew as a person.

We thought he did, because he had a stable life. But then the latest chapter proved us wrong and showed us that he'll always come back to ruining the good things he has for himself.
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>>161834831
Fuck you cocksucker for putting all of them blame on one of them. They are both shitty ass human beings equally at fault.
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>>161835035
Now you're getting it. Keep in mind the main drama of this series for the longest was just his wife trying to have some preggo sex and him being non-cooperative.
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>>161835066
Madarame's high point was the first couple volumes of Genshiken. It all went downhill from there. What makes it unfortunate is that he was really great back then.
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>>161811494
That's fair if he doesn't eat her out either
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>>161835083
How are they equally wrong here? And no, not swallowing cum is not a valid reason for cheating, unless you're also a spineless insecure asshole like Madarame.
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>>161834803
Blowjobs have literally nothing to do with it. Read the fucking series. Hell, read the fucking chapters in question and not just a handful of random pages posted in the thread.

He's insecure as fuck when he sees them alone together because the other guy is better than him in every way and a confident Chad version of himself. He's just as knowledgeable as him about anime, even more knowledgeable about porn (They even have very similar tastes in porn iirc), better than him at video games, actually followed his dreams and got a job designing video games, and on top of that is good looking, confident, and an all around really nice guy. That's why he gets insecure as hell when he sees the two of them together, he knows that there's no way he can beat him at anything and it makes him worried his wife might trade up to a better husband.
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>>161810974
But why? Unless she's cheating on him he has no reason to be jealous, he's her fucking husband.

This is so bizarre, even the most petty, jealous motherfucker wouldn't pull this kind of shit.
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>>161835119
That's how I know you're a bitch. Like >>161835131
Everybody has a reason.
Yes. He cheated because he couldn't get his dick wet the normal way, so he went to go find strange. You mongoloids have no basic understanding of human nature.
And again, MEN DON'T LIKE HAVING SEX WITH PREGNANT BITCHES. IT'S A FUCKING FETISH FOR A REASON, YOU DUMB CUNTS.
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>>161835130
By the logic of the dumbasses in this thread, if she cheats on him it's okay because he's never eaten her out.
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>>161835201
>MEN DON'T LIKE HAVING SEX WITH PREGNANT BITCHES
And some women don't like sucking dicks she was willing to compromise for him. Why not him for her?
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How the fuck is a degenerate otaku so fucking pathetic and vanilla that he literally can't think of any way to get themselves off other than blowjobs and regular sex?
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>>161835201
Buddy, I think you're self inserting your own women troubles. This shit is not about blowjobs or sex.

Read the series or if you just can't be assed, read >>161835151
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>>161835201
He couldn't just have a wank and wait until she wasn't pregnant anymore? After birth most women get crazy horny, which is why you get so many instances of siblings being just a year apart.

This character sounds like he has some legit mental issues.
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>>161835066
>he'll always come back to ruining the good things he has for himself.

on that note, WHY IN THE EVER LIVING FUCK!
WHY I SUBJECT MYSELF TO SUCH A FUCKING TORTUROUS SERIES IF THE END GAME IS THIS TRASHY MANGA?

Why would i got back to read and endear myself to characters that I know will turn out like they do in this series?

So to this faggot, >>161834717 >>161834597
I say fuck you, Im enjoying this trainwreck because I have no attachement to these characters beyond what has been present, what kind of cuck would willingly subject themselves to disappointment?

>>161835151
ah here you are.
>He's insecure as fuck
Which ive stated over and over again, you seem to have some form of dyslexia where you cant read beyond the shit that makes you mad.

>>161835187
because like >>161835151 claimed, and ive repeatedly stated, he is an insecure faggot, that believe she will eventually trade up.

>>161835223
Is she insecure about the past sexual relationships, he has had with other women?
Is she insecure about him getting pegged by the tranny?

Cause the cause of him cheating is clearly his insecurity, which she doesnt seem to have at all.
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>>161835223
But she didn't, he did.
She showed restraint and responsability, he didn't. It's as simple as that.
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>>161826583
Because it was literally the best they could ever hope for. Marriage was all about business, but people aren't automatons, so their only option for romance was cheating or hoping that they'd grow to love their spouse later.
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Oh.

Yeah I thought it was a cute manga about a married relationship between a nerdy dude and his wife who didn't get his stuff that much but still loved him, and them working through pregnancy while being young

I guess it's a trainwreck?
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>>161835271
>he's insecure

Sorry but "insecure" isn't an excuse for cheating on your postpartum wife with a tranny because she's on good terms with her ex. He should get a mental health evaluation. There's insecure and then there's self-destruction.
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>>161835312
>I guess it's a trainwreck?
It's written by Kio Shimoku.
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>>161835312
>I guess it's a trainwreck?
yes, with the added bonus that anyone that followed the previous series is losing their shit over something that would be completely expected of the character.

>>161835323
of course it isnt an excuse, but it is a motivator for him to do it, he is a shitty person, no one in this thread seems to have claimed otherwise.
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>>161835271
>on that note, WHY IN THE EVER LIVING FUCK!
WHY I SUBJECT MYSELF TO SUCH A FUCKING TORTUROUS SERIES IF THE END GAME IS THIS TRASHY MANGA?
The first Genshiken is legitimately great. It was solid series with a likeable cast and ended in an uplifting manner with the main cast graduating and saying their goodbyes to university life and entering adulthood.

People who read Nidaime read it to because it was the sequel. It was bad.

People read Spotted Flower because the early parts was purely Genshiken universe territory, and it was fun. And then characters from Nidaime started showing up, but it didn't hinder from the main couple, so it was still fun.

But then Hato fucked Madarame, and that's how we're all here now, tired and angry.
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>>161835312
Danna ga is a better genshiken what if than spotted flower really.
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>>161835350
>that followed the previous series is losing their shit
Never read Genshiken. This came out of left field to me and is the reason I haven't started reading Genshiken at all if I can expect a late game tonal shift.
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>>161835246
Quid pro quo. Suck the dick first. It's called "foreplay". Don't bitches like that sort of thing?

>>161835254
A husband now knows he will never receive an intimate moment that his wife gave to another man that they both called friend. Would you still sit here in judgement of the husband while finding the wife faultless? You, sir, are an ignoramus, and I hope a critical decision is never forced upon you.
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This thread is proof that nothing good comes from NTR.
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>>161835355
>First series was great
>Second series fucked it up
>Current series started good then turned to shit.

There is a pattern here you should have seen coming, there is no reason for me to subject myself to your pain at all.

>>161835379
You and me are on the same boat, im partly enjoying where this series is going, if I got endeared to the characters for who they were in a great series, I would not be able to enjoy this anymore.
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>>161835420
I'm not saying you should read it, I'm just saying that you have no idea what you're talking about because you don't know the full details of the characters and their history.
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>>161835383
The husband didn't want to fuck her first and she didn't cheat on him. I don't see how the guy couldn't do the same.
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>>161835267
You can't have sex until after four-six weeks after a woman gives birth.
This had to do more than just the sex. This was a piling on of humiliation and insecurity unto a cowardly man that was too much to bear. After being denied one of the greatest pleasures of life from his "love", the shock of seeing the man that did receive being on such friendly terms with his wife was too much for him to bear. Thus, he cheated.
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>>161835452
She cheated on him emotionally.
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>>161835445
>you have no idea what you are talking about
is the MC an insecure faggot and a terrible person?
This series leads me to believe so.
>did the wife have sexual experiences that she has not had with the husband?
She doesnt know what his cum tastes like does she?
>Is the MC constantly comparing himself to his wifes Ex and feels inferior to him?
I believe he does

So tell me, do I need to read the previous series to know these points or am I wrong in any of them?
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>>161835508
>talking with a guy who's been a friend of both of them for ages is cheating
t. angry and delusional virgin
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>>161835452
Maybe stop pressuring him for sex when he clearly doesn't want to? Maybe accept the compromise of a blowjob with the knowledge sex will come after the birth? Maybe stop being a bitch and your husband won't try to find happiness elsewhere?
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How can Madarame redeem himself? Is ot even possible at this point?
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>>161835593
*Boyfriend to one of them for ages
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>>161835619
Yeah. Tell that bitch what he did while laughing, turn 360°, and moonwalk away.
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>>161835508
>She cheated on him emotionally.
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>>161835619
Not as long as he keeps the emotional baggage.
he is going to have to deal with that before he can try to take on any sort of redemptive action.
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>>161835508
Does it just appear that way to him or
1. does he know
2. that she really has strong romantical feelings for the friend
3. and seeks out getting those
4. while not engaging in erotic acts?

All four of those need to be true for "emotional cheating" to occur. Otherwise, he's just being an insecure asshole over normal human interactions.
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The real knife twist is Madarame wondering if what he did can be considered cheating in the first place. Like holy shit.
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>>161835673
You like that one, did ya?
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>>161835693
>All four
Whoops. Meant that (only) the last three are required.
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>>161835508
>She cheated on him emotionally.
this is the most tumblr shit I've read all month
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>>161835693
>hook, line, and sinker
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Sad thing is the poor girl will probably forgive him if she ever finds out about it.
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>>161835752
I didn't read the series. I'm really asking you what happens because I'm pedantic about definitions and love arguing about semantics. Not even being ironic here.
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>>161835600
You realize being pregnant makes women horny as fuck right? And that he's the one who made her like that.
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>>161835508
>She cheated on him emotionally.
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I'd argue Madarame was never good, not even in early Genshiken.
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>>161835053
The only upside of this is that if you're so pathetic that you can look at an adoring woman growing round and fecund with your seed as the proof of your bond grows within her and think "fat pig" you're guaranteed to never reproduce and thus the gene of this particular faggotry will die when you do.
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>this whole thread
W E W
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>>161826991
>she can still cheat
You can still jump off a building but that doesnt mean you can or should.
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>>161835991
Madarame was great in that delusional otaku who lives by his convictions type of way. The Madarame from early Genshiken is c completley different character and somehow less of a beta despite being a kisless virgin.
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>>161836162
He sees her like that. He doesn't want to fuck her. Why is this such a problem then?
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>>161836769
He won't sexually pleasure her (in a mutually enjoyable/stimulating way) but wants her to pleasure him (in a way where there's no stimulation in it for her) and won't compromise and meet her halfway, even though she's willing to. He's selfish and doesn't deserve her.
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>>161836834
He doesn't want to fuck a pregnant woman. There is nothing wrong with that. She should stop being a bitch about it unless she wants him to cheat on her with a tranny.
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>>161836681
Madarame was a cool dude at the beginning but he unfortunately was unable to hold on to his values and ended up succumbing to the scourge that is 3D(2D)PD. It's a damn shame.
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>>161805163
Ending of Usagi Drop is great though. You're just a nu-male if you think otherwise.
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>>161837747
>Ending of Usagi Drop is great though.
How? The pacing is horrible, and a pretty important change in character was just timeksipped over.
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>>161810629
Thats not gonna happen. Not!Madarama is just feeling inadequate after facing Not!Saki's ex BF. With feelings of misplaced dumb jealously is trying to rile up Not!Saki by hanging out with his old crusher for revenge. Which is fucking stupid because not!Madarame won the not!Saki bowl in physical embodiment of a win in the form of a progeny but nontheless a human response . Nothing us going to come out of it, this is just bait, no cheating of physical kind, emotinonally maybe.
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so it never did get translated that I saw. What the hell was going on here? going over how tight his ass was?
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>>161812596
I liked the series better when it showcased realistic otakus, the different types, what a slice of japanese college otaku life is like, the realistic societal issues otakus faced, going to comiket and making friends. More than the trap and romance stuff.
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>>161838115
>how was senpai
>he was really cute

No one talks about ass-tightness
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>>161838151
First Genshiken probably used personal experience of the authors own time in his colleges otaku club.
Nidaime is lacking that since the author probably lacks the personal experience interacting with the fujos.
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>>161832523
A fucker who has real mental issues. Like this is pretty serious, you have to do some real mental gymnastics to get to his conclusion. he aint right in the head. i dont think there are many people on his side, generally speaking (4chan is not general).
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>>161837897
Wow. Nevermind. I did not read the thread nor realize that the raw was out. Wow what a scum.
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>>161810974
>>161817069

Where is this? I can't find a chapter 22?
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>>161835508
>She cheated on him emotionally.
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>>161835846
and that makes it ok for her to pressure him into sex?
if it was the other way around he would be in jail
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Why would a fucking exboyfriend show up to the birth of their child? Are they all a group of friends or something. I wouldn't want my fucking exgf to show up right after my wife had given birth.
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>>161838326
Around 40% of japanese men cheat while only 17% of japanese women do the same. Atleast overthere they seem to think it's alright since the man provides for the family.
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>>161838979
>Are they all a group of friends or something
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>>161838115
Never read this shit but the trap is cute and seems to have a crush on him so the husband did literally nothing wrong. He should leave his wife for the trap.
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I thought this was a Spotted Flower thread, not your average /b/ thread full of completely straight guys that ask for non-homosexual dudes that kinda look like girls getting fucked in the ass.
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>>161839060
Where did they get those numbers from? a survey?
All it tells me is that women get caught less often.
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>>161839499
It's mostly that there's less oppurtunities for the women to cheat since they are mostly housewives. Most of the men meet their mistress at work.
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>>161839614
There is plenty of oppurtunity for housewives when the husband isn't around most of the time.
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Isn't this just a spinoff? Why do people care so much?
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wait people actually fuck they are pregnant? wouldnt that hurt the baby?
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>>161840459
Are you 10 years old? Do you know what the cervix is?
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>>161829022
>>161829079
>>161834690
She's cute, why are people upset again?
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>>161839060
>since the man usually dies from overwork, while providing for the family.

FTFY
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>>161841420
He fucked a man in the ass whose wife just gave birth.
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>>161841420
>She

But he has a cock
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>>161841538
>>161841558
Looks like a cute girl to me, the dick makes it better.
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>>161841594
This series has demonstrated that liking traps does in fact make a man gay. I think you can drop any pretense, you like dudes anon.
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>>161841624
You know it's fully possible to like both, right? Also, that trap looks like a girl. So it's not gay. The husband should also leave his wife for the trap.
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>>161840577
i..don't ;..;
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>>161841558
>feminine penis
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>>161841680
>Also, that trap looks like a girl. So it's not gay.

Not this shit again... Go back to /b/
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>>161836466
I don't know about that
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>>161841594
>>161841840
You are sexually and/or emotionally attracted to a man. You just cannot like a trap and say that you are straight. You are gay, or at least bisexual, but not straight.
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>>161841680
Forgot to mention you in >>161842020
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