>Ichiro Okouchi >Original series composition & screenplay:

I think the director is keeping him in check. He worked on Barakamon if I recall correctly, which was pretty good.

He got Operation Changeling'd

>>161773772
Barakamon wasn't an original anime though. It's based on an award winning manga, and seriously deserves a second season already.

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>>161773731
>Princess Principal (AOTY if not AOTD)
Not even AOTS

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>>161773731
>Code Geass
>trainwreck

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>>161773731
>Code Geass (trainwreck)
Is that why its top 20 in mal, top 10 of best anime according to japan, and getting a 3rd season this winter/spring?

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>>161774154
>mal

>>161774045
Crazy talk.

Yeah, Made in Abyss is really, really good. But you can feel how MiA lacks that "instaclassic" factor that Pripri exudes.

>>161774089
Sure, R2 went so far off the rails it's not even funny. But of course S1 was a huge trainwreck.

>>161774154
>popularity = quality
Don't you have a naruto thread to go shit the board with?

>>161774154
I could've even understood you wanting to defend something you like but then you brought in MAL

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>>161774219
>Pripri
>instaclassic

>>161774154
>mal
(you)

>>161774219
>But you can feel how MiA lacks that "instaclassic" factor that Pripri exudes.
Yeah like Re:Creators right?

But code geass was also an AOTY, no surprise there

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>>161774371
Not after the latest episode.

Pic related. Though I haven't updated it since july. Dropped Galaxy Tylor and Netsuzou Trap.

>>161774429
2006 or 2007?

2006, not counting second+ seasons, was... maybe Black Lagoon. Or Hell Girl s1. Or Ouran. Or Rec. Or Underwater Ray Romano. Many would say NHK, but out of the manga, novel and anime, the anime is the worst one, so I wouldn't count it.

2007 was undoubtedly Baccano, but other contenders are Ghost Hound, SZS, Bokurano, Kojikan, Nodame, Kaiji, SnH, Moyashimon, Mononoke, and many would say Gurren Lagann or Lucky Star (depending on the camp they were back then. I was the idort), but I wouldn't.

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>>161774189
>>161774219
>>161774228
>>161774364
>Haha Mal
Woah u got me there. Only reason I brought it up because something can't be a trainwreck if its successful. Companies don't make shows too impress you, they do it for your money

>>161775020
>something can't be a trainwreck if its successful

>>161774897
>That shit taste

>>161775198
Go ahead.

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>AOTY
It will have to try harder to get up there buddy.

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>>161774897
>Smartphone over 18if
>Smartphone over everything
This is all that you are getting today.

>>161775248
Wasn't even AOTS

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>>161775491
I that Princess Principal wasn't, which is why I decided to post another show.

>>161775341
It says "enjoying", not "good". Smartphone is shit, but if you turn off your brain, it's an alright way to kill half an hour and let a tired brain rest. Even if it's a shitty, unfunny version of Konosuba. So in that way, I'm enjoying it.

As for 18if, episode 3 might have been the best episode of the whole season. Other than that though, it's been pretty mediocre. So in that way, I'm not particularly enjoying it. And episode 3 hadn't even aired when I made that chart. I really should update it.

Also, I don't have Smartphone over everything. I listed it above Youkai Apartment, Sagrada Reset, No Fun Allowed Bakatest, Cuck!!, 18if, Jikan no Shihaisha, and Turkroach no Altair; and as stated, not because it's better (it's not), but because I'm subjectively enjoying it more.

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>>161773731
>Code Geas R2 (trainwreck)

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>>161774897
>AOTS
>PriPri
>Isekai
>Teekyu
>Kakeguri
>remarkable
>Knights and Magic
>Tenshi
>Sakura Quest
>Guruguru
>Hell Girl
>Re:Creators
>Hajimete
>Bahamut

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>>161776078
>People who defend CG

>>161776086
Shut the fuck up, Booker. You've been dead for years.

>>161773731
PriPri is only show with main cast made of cute girls only.

>>161773731
>>Ichiro Okouchi
>>Original series composition & screenplay:
>>Code Geass (trainwreck)
>>Code Geas R2 (trainwreck)

Nope.

>>Valvrave (trainwreck)
A bit.

>>Kabaneri (trainwreck)
Are you stupid?

>>Princess Principal (AOTY if not AOTD)
Not yet.

>>161773772

Problem with this is it assumes that if something is right that's because of the director, which we have no way of knowing

>>161774154
Code Geass is a pretty good show. It does feel like a trainwreck at times, in the moment, but objectively speaking it is far more of a rollercoaster. It has stuff people actually liked and ended well.

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>>161773731
>Kabaneri (trainwreck)

>>161774219
What would have been on the rails for you then? They foreshadowed how both seasons ended and the conclusion was in line with what anyone paying attention would have predicted.

>>161773731
>most of his shows carried by strong character interactions
>PriPri also carried by character interaction
?

>>161777617
>Code Geass is a pretty good show.
Nah its pretty shit.
>>161777671
>They foreshadowed how both seasons ended and the conclusion was in line
So you'rejust ignoring everything that came in between

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>>161777792
>Code Geass
>Valvrave
>Kabvaneri
>PriPri
>strong character interaction

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>>161773731
He can't fuck up a plot if a show doesn't have one

>>161777671
You're talking as if Code Geass was cohesive. It wasn't.

Don't get me wrong. It was fun as hell to watch, specially in /a/. But it was as fun as Re:Creators - we couldn't wait to see how much more retarded it got week after week. And yeah, R2 took that to a whole new level, but that was still what made Code Geass Code Geass, other than the fujoshit.

>>161778027
But it was. Perhaps not weekly, when stuff happens and the audience is distracted or shocked by new events, yet if you look at the whole thing, Code Geass is quite cohesive after all.

I won't deny there was a factor that fits your description, but a more neutral term like crazy rather than retarded would be more faithful to the truth. Not everything crazy about the show was retarded, and that certainly was not the only thing we wanted to see. Even R2 is actually quite easy to explain in structural terms once you've seen it.

Just being crazy is not what makes something Code Geass and it was more omni-oriented than just for fujos

>>161777802
Not everything that came in between was necessary, strictly speaking, but yes. Geass has some common ideas throughout both seasons even if they do have some BS surrounding them.

>>161778359
>Just being crazy (sic) is not what makes something Code Geass
What makes it Code Geass other than being crazy (but no, I really do mean retarded)¿

>and it was more omni-oriented than just for fujos
As much as, say, Kabukibu, Clamp and all. Which I loved, and WAS actually cohesive, unlike CG. But even if CG is demographic-agnostic to a point (I guess female fanservice and yuri desk border humping and whatnot would make it so, somehow), the intended demographic is still bluntly there.

Okouchi always makes things that are entertaining to watch but his best work is when he can be more prudent with it.

>>161778569
You can think that, but it is not a sufficient explanation of why other shows that are also similar in terms of said factor, yet not in others, do not have the same results. Which means that explanation is incomplete and missing something.

The difference is that you see being over the top as a flaw and as an exception, when the fact this permeates the show is a sign of inherent consistency in and of itself.

>>161778569
Compelling protagonist and a dynamic rivalry (Suzaku is hated a lot by first time viewers but Geass needed him to exist) at the center of the chaos makes it coherent.

>>161778606
He also has a good idea of how to appeal to both men and women, boys and girls.

>>161778562
>Not everything that came in between was necessary, strictly speaking, but yes
So you're saying 80% of the show is worthless? Got it

18if is better, but I enjoy both.

>>161778606
>Okouchi always makes things that are entertaining to watch
Valvrave, Kabaneri and PriPri are not entertaining to watch
>>161778809
That's literately not what coherence means

>>161778809
>Compelling protagonist and a dynamic rivalry
You've listed a plethora of anime that fits that criteria.

>>161778898
Nah, it's more like the first half of R2 and about three episodes of S1.

>>161779005
But none of those are the ending so its worthless

>>161778756
>The difference is that you see being over the top as a flaw and as an exception, when the fact this permeates the show is a sign of inherent consistency in and of itself.
You're only half right. I do see it as a flaw, but not as an exception. I do see it being "over the top" (and there's "over the top" and then there's "over the top") as something that permeates the whole show, but just because some aspects permeate a show, that doesn't mean it's cohesive or that it's not a trainwreck. The fact it's fujoshit also permeates the show, and that still wouldn't make it cohesive or not a trainwreck.

>>161778809
A compelling protagonist doesn't make Code Geass Code Geass. It makes a successful show a successful show. But you could have a different, not as compelling protagonist in CG, and it would still be CG.

As for the rivalry between Suzaku and Lelouch, it would also be omitted. Say, omit Suzaku and make Karen not become Lelouch's bitch or something. The show would still be the same overall.

And just because those two things, them being a memorable MC and a (somewhat actually ignorable) rivalry, exist, that doesn't mean the chaos of the series is made coherent.

And mind you, I don't mind chaos. I love, say, Kaiba, or Kemonozume, or Mononoke, which are seeped in chaos. But the execution of those shows makes the chaos compelling. The execution of Code Geass makes the chaos laughable. Which, hey, if you wanna laugh for a while while you talk shit on an imageboard, makes for a great experience, but that doesn't change the fact the show is a trainwreck.

>>161778932
>Valvrave, Kabaneri and PriPri are not entertaining to watch
The first two of those already proved you wrong, both here on 4chan and in sales. PriPri is picking up good buzz right now. People do latch onto them.

>>161779038
>Say, omit Suzaku and make Karen not become Lelouch's bitch or something. The show would still be the same overall.
Er...no? That would be a terrible idea since Karen has no character or chemistry to speak of.

>>161778932
Sure it does. That main thread connects the events of the show and allows us to interpret the central story in a logical way. Having some weaker or filler episodes doesn't mean it loses all internal sense.

>>161778932
>Valvrave, Kabaneri (...) are not entertaining to watch
On their own, no. But as trainwrecks to discuss on /a/? Boy were they entertaining.

Pripri is fantastic, on the other hand.

>>161779079
>Er...no? That would be a terrible idea since Karen has no character or chemistry to speak of.
Because Suzaku does? What did you just say a post ago? Let me see...
>Suzaku is hated a lot by first time viewers but Geass needed him to exist
Huh...

>>161779004
A lot of successful anime. That's the idea. Anime with boring characters and weak protagonists lose interest

>>161779041
>The first two of those already proved you wrong, both here on 4chan and in sales.
Uh...VVV underpefromed so much so that Aniplex dropped the license and Kabaneri also didn't fare well.
>MUH POST COUNT
You mean how the fanbases tried to manually incite a board anime when most of the board weren't watching so much so that they spammed threads to reach a threshold? Because that's exactly what happened and by S2 it was pratically dead. Kabaneri lost A LOT of steam (no pun intended) as it went on as well and PriPri is nowhere near as popular as those two both board and sales wise.

>>161779037
The ending is part of what does work and isn't worthless

>>161779148
But just because an anime has non-boring characters and a non-weak protagonist, it doesn't mean it's not a trainwreck. In fact, it's overall needed. A trainwreck needs to be initially compelling and then go off the rails in order to be a trainwreck.

>>161779109
>But as trainwrecks to discuss on /a/? Boy were they entertaining.
Not really

>Pripri is fantastic, on the other hand.
Its not and its barely even discussed here or elsewhere for that matter.

>>161779107
>That main thread connects the events of the show and allows us to interpret the central story in a logical way.
Not really and even when taken into account that's only a few events intertwine so roughly a few episodes in both seasons actually matter.

>Having some weaker or filler episodes doesn't mean it loses all internal sense.
It does when its an entire season's worth

>>161779038
Good. I don't see it as a flaw. There is also an underlying logic at work which prevents the show from being a real trainwreck, unless the term has lost all meaning by now. People who get the point of it all leave the series with a sense of satisfaction, rather than being angry at it.

Code Geass is the story of Lelouch and we've seen that he is key to the show. Remove him and a lot of enjoyment and appeal would be lost.

>>161779177
A show isn't built on its ending if 80% is shit then the show isn't worth anything other than some foolish preconceive notion that you made up.

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>>161773731
Okouchi is good, but /ourboy/ is going to take AotY next season

>Katsuhiko Takayama
>Ange Vierge: 2016's AotY
>Boku no Pico: No introduction required
>Ga Rei Zero: A masterpiece /a/ will never forget ;_;
>ef: The /a/ approved greatest VN adaptation of all time

>>161779164
>You mean how the fanbases tried to manually incite a board anime when most of the board weren't watching so much so that they spammed threads to reach a threshold? Because that's exactly what happened
No it isn't. The little fanbase it had here that tried to treat either as good shows after the first few weeks was promptly sent back to... MAL IIRC in VVV's case. Or tumblr. Something like that.

The threads in /a/, which were plentiful, were entirely dedicated to shitposting about the latest retarded developments. Just like with Code Geass.

>>161779146
>Because Suzaku does?
Yep that's what made the show work.
>Suzaku is hated a lot by first time viewers
A popular character has a hatebase? Okay what does that say about anything?

give it time it will trainwreck

>>161779339
>A popular character has a hatebase? Okay what does that say about anything?
Says the guy hating on Karen.

>>161779324
>No it isn't
Yes it did. There was the infamous episode that had screens leaked early so when it aired the livestream thread capped out at 600 posts but the fans kept spamming so that it which 1300 posts hours later until the thread was archived.

>The little fanbase it had here that tried to treat either as good shows after the first few weeks was promptly sent back to... MAL IIRC in VVV's case. Or tumblr. Something like that.
And this is an outright lie.

>The threads in /a/, which were plentiful, were entirely dedicated to shitposting about the latest retarded developments. Just like with Code Geass.
Wrong again try as it might VVV suffered the same fate as GC and couldn't replicate CG magic here

>>161779038
There is a coherent story from beginning to end based on the rivalry and development between Lelouch and Suzaku. If you understand that fully, then the rest of the show falls in line and connects almost too blatantly.

Kaiba and Mononoke were more artistic and niche than going for the same sort of specific chaos seen here, so that is a completely different methodology at work. Not every series needs to be like them.

Code Geass wanted to feel like a wild ride and even breaks the fourth wall in the process. That makes the chaos funny sometimes, no doubt, but it's still aiming for being primarily entertaining even when it isn't. If the only thing you got out of the show was a laugh, then that's a little shortsighted and missing the forest for the trees. I've seen far too many shows that are worse so I can't share your conclusions.

>>161779374
>Says the guy hating on Karen.
Says the guy hating on Suzaku. The key difference is that you can omit Karen from CG and nothing would change (see R2)

>>161779038
>fact
>trainwreck
You mean opinion.

>>161779464
>There is a coherent story from beginning to end based on the rivalry and development between Lelouch and Suzaku.
Okay. Now what about the rest of the threads that make up the fabric which is Code Geass

>>161779315
The Initial D of our generation.

>>161779374
Karen is a nothing character though. A minority doesn't negate the fact that Suzaku was important to the narrative of the show and Karen wasn't.

>>161779164
>Uh...VVV underpefromed so much so that Aniplex dropped the license
Source?
>and Kabaneri also didn't fare well.
It got a second season, so that's wrong too.

Just come out and admit you don't find them entertaining and hate their fans. That's what you really want to say.

>>161779464
>I've seen far too many shows that are worse so I can't share your conclusions.
And you're missing the point.

Yeah, there's worse shows than CG. But they are not trainwrecks because they don't fulfill this requirement >>161779207

>>161779502
Commonly held opinion. Sure.

>but, but, muh popularity
The fact Naruto, K-On, Madoka, CG, SAO and whatnot are garbage despite their popularity is a commonly held opinion. Hell, it even got its SZS direct reference and all.

>>161779207
What is a trainwreck for you, really? The show remained compelling even when it supposedly went off the rails and actually landed back on them for the ending, which completed the arc in a compelling manner and tied up the loose ends. That isn't what happens in a trainwreck.

>>161779237
>denying Pripri being discussed a lot here and on social media
Anon, you are coming across like a bitch.

>>161779612
>The show remained compelling even when it supposedly went off the rails
It got a different kind of compelling factor BECAUSE it went off the rails.

>>161779555
>Source?
How about you lurk the fuck more newshit
>It got a second season
No it didn't. It's getting another project which could be anything if anycase it doesn't matter since even VVV got a second season that was planned. Try again.

>Just come out and admit you don't find them entertaining
Nah they're just OBJECTIVELY not entertaining and given how both were received critically is proof enough

>>161779237
All the main events do. It doesn't matter if a secondary subplot is not always addressed. What actually matters is superior to what doesn't, by definition. Even in R2.

>>161779650
But it's not. Even taken account shows this season its nowhere near the most discussed on 4chan, MAL, ANN, twiitter, reddit, etc.

>>161779683
>All the main events do
So basically only 5 episodes out of both seasons of Code Geass is worth watching is what you're saying.

>>161779277
That percentage is overly inflated, not a fact.

>>161779714
How many times will you go
>popularity = quality
?

By your metric, Boruto is AOTSAS. Ruminate on that.

>>161779748
>overly inflated
Not really. Thank God for those Black Rebellion DVD

>>161779324
Valvrave was in on the joke and that was shown in how it presented itself. Vampire mecha anime is perfect B movie material. Geass had more of a variety of topics though.

>>161779751
>popularity = quality
This thread literally started out with PriPrifags bragging about the show's success and comparing it to VVV and Kabaneri in terms of popularity.?

>>161779510
They get resolved in better or worse ways, and the fabric of Code Geass is held together by that already mentioned thread at the center.

>>161779808
>Vampire mecha anime is perfect B movie material.
Not only is the actual story just more generic mecha shit that portion of the story is poorly explored and doesn't even matter.
>Geass had more of a variety of topics though.
It was just ripping off Gundam.

>>161779846
>They get resolved in better or worse ways
What a way to dodge the question by completely ignoring it.

>and the fabric of Code Geass is held together by that already mentioned thread at the center.
So its dangling by a single thread while the rest of the fabric is torn apart.

>>161779611
That requirement isn't truly fulfilled, because the show remained compelling even when it went nuts and then picked itself back together. Thus mostly cleaned up as it ended, rather than feeling like nothing or blowing us up with anger.

>>161779816
>the show's success
>AOTY if not AOTD
>proportional with the show's success
Again, by your metric, Boruto is AOTSAS. Ruminate on that.

>>161779611
>The fact Naruto, K-On, Madoka, CG, SAO and whatnot are garbage despite their popularity is a commonly held opinion. Hell, it even got its SZS direct reference and all.

It sounds like you find most mainstream, popular anime to be garbage and want super abstract artsy fartsy think pieces instead, if even Madoka doesn't work for you.

>>161779655
It had at least two types of compelling factors going on at the same time. That's not common.

>>161779972
>proportional with the show's success
Uh yeah? Because you're saying that the show is better than anything within the last 10 years also Boruto isn't doing very well

Isn't Code Geass one of the Biggest anime of 00s

>>161779665
Lurk more is not an excuse for not providing the source of a claim.

Kabaneri did get a second season announced. See you in 2018. VVV didn't get that since they always planned it

>>161779939
>the show remained compelling even when it went nuts
It got compelling on a way different than originally BECAUSE it went nuts. Compelling in its ease of being made fun of,

That's the definition of going off the rails.

>>161779747
No, I'd say there are roughly 30 or 40 episodes of Code Geass that are worth watching. The rest could be ignored with little effort.

>>161780056
>Kabaneri did get a second season announced
No it did not. The annoucment said NEXT PROJECT not a second season which was already planned anyways since it was announced shortly after the anime ended.
> VVV didn't get that
Except it did dumbass

>>161779916
Nah, the rest of the fabric is partially torn and partially woven. That's why Geass is decent at holding together rather than falling into nothing

>>161780103
>I'd say there are roughly 30 or 40 episodes of Code Geass that are worth watching
Nah that it way too much.

>>161779981
Other than Naruto, I've seen the rest and made fun of them with /a/. Except K-On, I made fun of it almost by myself in its circlejerking threads. Good times. Not so fun after the first season.

Madoka, like Code Geass, was a trainwreck. Started fine, went off the rails, and then made for great material to make fun off. And, other than Naruto, I'm quoting the shows directly from that one SZS scene, though of course, I do agree with it.

Though granted, I didn't watch the Madoka movies, but making fun of movies is not the same as making fun of a show week after week except for the weeks it didn't air because of the tsunami. Good times.

>>161780072
Nah, it had both original appeal and a different appeal. Ignoring one leaves the picture incomplete. Even many people who made fun of the show also cared about it in the other sense, to a lesser or greater degree. If it were like you say, then the reaction would have been ultimately quite different and the show would have sold nothing.

>>161780166
>>161780166
Failed shows don't get a NEXT PROJECT so what the hell do you even mean.

>>161780234
Yes. You're talking about the fujoshits. We've been through that.

>>161780195
Are you mentally handicapped? You might want to dial down on the irony.

>>161780195
>Madoka, like Code Geass, was a trainwreck.

None of this is true and especially not about Madoka.

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>>161780271
>Failed shows don't get a NEXT PROJECT

>>161780271

Where are the S2? I don't see them.

>>161780308
>>161780312
E N T R O P Y
N
T
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O
P
Y

Don't expect me to go more into detail. I didn't rewatch it.

>>161780327
They're getting money from the idol stuff. They're singing the Isekai Shokudou OP this season with May'n.

Also, Yamakan was kicked out of Ordet, so there's that saving grace.