Post your favorite DragonBall saga. Whole franchise included.

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This is the ideal DB saga. You may not like it, but this is what peak anime looks like.

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>>161740757
While those are pretty great, I'm a huge fan of Frieza himself, but my favorite SAGA is probably the Twenty Second Tenkaichi Budokai

>>161740639
Saiyan saga because it was just before fucked up power levels became a thing, and a lot of it is rooted in nostalgia for me because I remember watching it on TV as a kid and having never seen anything like it before.

When I went back to read the manga I still think it holds up and I think Goku vs Vegeta is one of the best fights in the series.

>>161741550
Personally I'm a fan of Yamcha vs Tien in the 22nd

>>161740639
turtle hermit training and first budokai are peak comfy
Piccolo and 2nd and 3rd budokai have some of the best action in the series
Red Ribbon is pretty good
Pilaf is pretty meh compared to the others but good for establishing the cast and tone of the series

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I miss regular Dragon Ball

A sense of adventure and magic, the rest of cast got to do shit how and again, finding the balls was enough of a challenge that death kind of had some weight to it and best of all Goku had a sense of decency that value his friends and human life and wasn't a complete fight obsessed retard

>>161742535
Yamcha vs Tien in the 22nd was probably the best fight in the whole series.

>>161740639
Also my favourite. Love the Saiyan arc as well though.

everything up to goku going super saiyen is god tier, its not even that the rest is bad, its just looks like garbage in comparison.

>>161741431
Namek arc is where the series came to its logical conclusion. It was the perfect ending to the series basically.

>>161743048
I have a fondness in my heart for the opening of the Buu Saga with the World Martial Arts tournament and Gohan shenanigans and I'm sad that we didn't get to see more of that.

>>161743138
if not for gohan, I would agree
if it ended there gohan's character arc would be nothing and there would be no point in having had so much focus on him, the logical conclusion for it then becomes the ending of cell saga which works with gohan inheriting the role of the protector of earth and goku having actually died.
and then we get buu saga which shits all over all of that

>>161742607
Yeah, why does Toriyama enjoy butchering his character so much?

>>161740757
My african-american sibling

>>161743175
(You)

This is the arc that got me into anime!

It was not released in the US yet, and my friend and I felt so fucking edgy scoring fansubs in 1998.

>>161740639
2nd Budokai.
The moment Piccolo arc starts is pretty brutal it's like it does a complete 180º

The tournament arc with kid Goku vs Krillin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_HmxScD8CM

>>161740639
Piccolo Jr. saga for me.

I thought it was best of both world.

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>>161740639
Honestly it's reall difficult to say. All the arcs in DB had their own charm. I like the 21st tournament arc a lot cause it had fantastic action yet it was a still a slapstick gag series with the Krillin and Bacterian fight, but Jackie Chun vs Kid Goku is one of the best fights in the series.

>>161740757
Respectable choice, it juggled humor, action, and world building extremely well. Lots of exotic locales, some pretty funny slapstick fights, and the cool Penguin Village Cameo.

>>161743975
The 23rd Budokai is pretty good but I like the low stakes of the 21st and 22nd.
>>161743375
I'm a big fan of the Ginyu Tokusentai and american comic books, and Gohan's whole thing was great. I was really looking forward to the tournament and what we got of it was excellent but I could do with a little less of the World Champion Mister Satan.

>>161742607
I agree, but at the same time I think that was an era of Dragonball that is better off left to rest. DB is easily my favorite show in the franchise, but the magic and charm of it can't really be returned to after the series already progressed to Z and Super levels of action. The progression was natural, so why force going back to the old tone? GT tried this and failed because, like I said, going from cute upbeat adventure to over the top action is much more natural than vice versa.

Maybe if we are lucky we will get a couple one-off OVAs starring kid Goku, but other than that I think it's best to just move forward

>>161744196
Yeah, desu, Piccolo Jr. saga would've only benefited if you took out Kami. Just have straight up a revenge story, pure and simple.

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>>161740639
Early DB is my favorite, so everything before Goku became an adult are my favorite parts
I also like the Cell/Android saga until Cell absorbed the androids

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>>161744252
What I'm really hoping for is Goten and Trunks adventures.
>>161744311
>hating Perfection
I can't find my Perfect Cell reaction images so I'll just post a Great Saiyaman

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Say hello to the most overrated saga.

Second only to the Saiyan Saga

>>161744520
The Saiyan saga has the best fighting in the series, how is it overrated? This one has Goku VS Cell which redeems all of its flaws

>>161744367
I lost interest after Cell became the main villain, and the episodes/chapters after the Piccolo vs 17 fight were boring

>>161744587
>best fighting in the series
>the 21st, 22nd, and 23rd World Martial Arts Tournaments all exist

>>161744154
>Jackie Chun vs Kid Goku
The anime did it justice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhOqMVOXK3E

>>161744587
Both substitute plot progression for action. The only things that happen in the Saiyan Saga is Goku on snake way, training, and coming back to defeat Vegeta. It's not BAD, but considering it's coming right off the heels of DB, where every saga prioritized moving the plot along, it feels dull and uneventful, at least to me.

Same goes for the Cell Games Saga, which sets up a structure to the fighting, but then removes it as soon as the fighting begins. Cell constructing a tournament has a ton of potential, but then as soon as it starts it takes 2 episodes for him to imediately destroy the stage, and another 2 to decide that the tournament rules aren't even worth keeping, and the plot imediately shifts to simply "beat cell".

Neither of them are bad sagas of course, but I just can't see how someone would say either are their favorites.

You know with the Black arc they had a lot of room to do shit with it. I personally think that the arc would have been better if they had also included a Vegeta Black instead of Zamasu. You would need to minimise Trunks's role or make him go SSB as well for this to work good, but otherwise it would just be a much more entertaining arc overall. Could you imagine twice the smug? Not only that but it would fix MANY of the arcs overall flaws, hell even the fusion bit would be more entertaining. Could you imagine Vegito Rose vs Vegito Blue? Vegito Blue would be just a little bit stronger due to the rivalry boost and the fight would be epic as fuck, but Vegito Rose gets angry as slowly but surely Blue starts to overpower him, so he starts charging a new attack never seen before called the Bang Bomb Attack which is a fusion between the spirit bomb and the big bang attack, and Blue (having no time to charge one of his own) would charge a Final Kamehameha instead. Initially Rose would have the upperhand but when Trunks joins in the beam struggle Blue manages to overpower the spirit bomb and successfully kill Rose, who marvels at the power of mortals and that he was right about their threat to the gods..Wham, Trunks's universe is saved but the planet is broken, and Trunks is sad about the fact that he can't fix it until Vegito suggests to use Instant Transmission to go to Namek and use their dragonballs. Wham Trunks's planet is fixed, the people are back and he also wishes back supreme kai which brings back Beerus and Whis who then offer to train Trunks and further increase his power. Vegito leaves the future timeline, introduces himself to Zeno as the friend Goku was talking about and the arc is finished.

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when is Freeza going to do something?

>>161745414
Maybe in 2 or 3 episodes.
If this upcoming episode is about Tien, then him and Vegeta are the only guys on the U7 roster who won't have their own episodes.

>>161745414
When F plays in the tournament
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-33SkD_tnw

>>161743238
>Buu saga

Tori commited character assassination so hard on Gohan during that lamme ass, boring as FUCK Saiyamannu shit that his only way to move forward was to just shit on Gohan.

Either that or years of drawing and thinking manga-to-manga on a weekly release basis eventually caught up to him : In an attempt to appear unpredictable and surprise readers, he ended up commiting one of the biggest mistakes you can make as a writter.

>>161745757
>Great Saiyaman
>boring
Him going to school was adorable and his romance with Videl was cute.

>>161745812
High school parts are okay, but I could live without them. I don't give a shit about the boring ass romance with Videl though.

>>161745845
It's literally the only relationship Toriyama bothered to give a backstory to.

>>161745845
fuck you bitch, tomboys a best

>>161745757
Buu saga only gets bad during the Kid Buu part. Especially when Goku and Vegeta are swallowed. Fuck those episodes.

>>161745902
And it sucked. He was right about being shit at writing romance.

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>>161745902
Im with other anon
why would I watch db for the romance subplot

>>161745986
Because at least he's not cobbling shit together to make babies. He bothered to explain why they were together in the first place, which is more than Vegeta and Bulma got.

>>161742607
>I miss regular Dragon Ball
Same but I only ever got into the manga. Is the anime for the original Dragon Ball as good as the manga?

>>161746038
>He bothered to explain why they were together in the first place
Who gives a shit, really? Even in real life people fall in love for the most stupid reasons, there's no need for "explanations".

>>161746038
>More than Vegeta and Bulma got

I thought it was pretty obvious that Bulma is just a classic slut and Vegeta is masculine enough to impregnate anything that moves.
When trunks parents were revealed the only reaction I had was "Yea that makes sense" and I never needed any more context than that.

>>161744798
You're crazy, The Saiyan saga has tons of action and plot development, from Piccolo and Gohan bonding, to Piccolo dying to set up the next arc, King Kai hinting there's a stronger presence than Vegeta, and saying there's no action? The fight starting from the saibaimen to ending with Vegeta is almost continuous action with like two breaks in between. Not to mention counting "Goku on Snake Way" as something that happens when it all happens off screen.

>>161744761
are ganos and the random freeza soilders weaker than 21st budokai goku

>>161746106
A lot of people give a shit. If you hated the Gohan and Videl moments, you're on the minority.

>>161746057
yes

>>161746109
>When trunks parents were revealed the only reaction I had was "Yea that makes sense" and I never needed any more context than that.
Same. Only idiots think people need a "reason" or an "explanation" to fall for each other.

>>161746113
Completely forgot about the Gohan subplot. That's definitely a plus for it.

I didn't say there was no action, you misunderstood. My problem with it was that action takes massive priorety over the plot. The action is great, but i wish there was more story going on around it.

>>161746178
(You)

>>161746057
It's good. There's a good deal of filler but I feel like it adds to it, especially with Goku and Chichi at the end of it after the Piccolo stuff. If you wanna watch it but don't want the filler, a recut is available on Nyaa.

>>161746149
If you are into shipping garbage, then of course people who don't like it will seem like a minority to you.

>>161746210
Hes right you know

>>161746307
Here's your (you) as well.

>>161746201
While I may have misunderstood, I think the action and the plot are intertwined in that saga very closely, but with Dragon Ball being what it is, the plot at that point boils down to "Beat the Saiyans". but character wise there's a developments going on for most characters partaking in the action.

That being said I agree with you on the Cell Arc being very inconsistent.

>>161746109
Just read the DB threads. DB fans always need everything explained to them in the most obvious way possible, or else it's just "headcannon".

>>161744394
>Tenshinhan's insertions

wew

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>>161746391
Talk about inconsistency...

My favourite arc is the current one, but I don't get something about it:

How can U7 be the second-weakest when it's already clearly established that they beat U6?
>Toei in charge of continuity / consistency

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>>161746707
Well didn't they not really beat U6, but Hit took the fall when fighting monaka?

>>161746762
Don't reply to pasta.

>>161746707
He's the "weakest" in terms of QoL, not in terms of brute force.

>>161746707
>Toei
The manga will mention this and you know it.

>>161744367
>really hoping for is Goten and Trunks adventures.

And you're gonna get it.

>Episode 106: The attack failed!?!?! Son Goku retaliates!
>Episode 107: The young park rangers! Goten and Trunks' new responsibilities!
>Episode 108: An animal missing!?!? Goten's determination!
>Episode 109: To the battleground! Let's start the Tournament of Power's final!
>Episode 110: Universe 7 in danger! Dicasty gets suspended!
>Episode 111: For the Universe! The Tournament begins to get serious!
>Episode 112: Frieza's betrayal?! The return of Yamcha!

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Tie between the 3 tournament arcs

>>161749496
>fucking Yamcha
aw hell yes

>no one says Buu Saga
I wouldn't have it as my first but it's a close behind Red Ribbon and the 3 original Tournament Sagas.

>>161750588
I honestly love the Buu saga. Gets way too much hate

23rd Budokai was a fitting end to a great manga with great fights.

>>161746469
DB fans are the dumbest people and take the franchise way too seriously considering the source material.

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>>161749600
damn i forgot how fucking cool this looked, what ever happened to martial arts anime.

>>161751904
I think it's Homestuck tumblr fans, though they are tied with Tokyo Ghoul tumblr fans. At least Tokyo Ghoul's author took it as some sort of greater goal to single-handedly destroy tumblr each 3 months.

>>161740639
how could toriyama write and design something so beautiful and then end up with the shitfest that's super?

>>161752261
Because Toei doesn't listen to him and his successor Toyotaro is unable to make great finales for arcs.

>>161740639
My favorite is actually the Android/Cell Saga, and Buu saga after it. Don't hate on me but I got introduced to Dragon Ball with videogames, and the Cell Saga on Dragon Ball Sagas was the coolest thing for me and my brother back there with Gohan going Super Saiyan 2 and everything.

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>>161740639
The Saiyan saga would actually be my favorite but it's retroactively hurt by how 3/4 character deaths are for people who are barely relevant after that point. Chiaotzu I accept since he was always a nothing character but Yamcha and especially Tien deserved better. Just one arc prior to this we had this great dynamic between Goku, Krillin, Yamcha, and Tien all being pals and it never really has that heart again.

Otherwise I love just how desperate and harrowing the whole saga feels. The scale of Buu is larger but nothing after this point compares to how horrifying the initial losses are for morale or the immense relief felt when Vegeta finally goes down.

>>161750588
I really like Super Buu.

>>161740757
Agreed. Cast, plot and character development are all excellent in that arc.

>>161756046
>that one girl in that one snowy village that we never see ever again

>>161740639
Piccolo, Saiyan and Namek story arcs

>>161753555
Why are anime/mangas drawn after a vacation the best ever

>>161746707
it's the mathematical average over the entire universe, U7 has plenty of weak lifeforms and only a few big names, that's what you get after blowing Namek up

>>161742607
>but muh suparsayings and powarlevels

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>>161740639
Piccolo Daimao Arc is top tier. My favorite still has to be Namek. Having three different parties in a small planet trying to get the dragon balls for themselves was a very interesting setup. Those alliances and betrayals, Gohan and Krillin sneaking, Vegeta being smart and picking his enemies when they least expect it, the tension whenever Freezer showed up and some of the best fights of the series. It's just wonderful.

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Either Piccolo Saga or Namek Saga. Evidently putting the Namekians in some sort of focus elevates the series.

I have a soft spot for the Great Saiyaman and Wedding Dress (yeah I know it's anime-only filler) arcs too.

>>161759538
>Wedding Dress (yeah I know it's anime-only filler)

What are the best anime-only arcs?

>>161746707
Because aside from the Z fighters and the villains they faced there's fuckall.

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>>161744587
>best fighting in the series
The best dbz fight wasn't even in the saiyan saga, what are you talking about?

Gohan school saga is best

>>161760256
Webm unrelated.

some of the buu shit was pretty good.

Top 3 (in no particular order)
>Piccolo Daimao
the 'shit got real' saga
>Piccolo Junior
now that shit's real, have some payoff on absolutely everything thus far
>Saiyan
Further beyond FROM SPACE

Truly the golden era of Toriyama's creativity, he's even said himself that this was when he enjoyed drawing DB the most.

>>161759586
Other World Tournament was pretty cool.

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Yamcha is very strong.

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>>161760369
>one of, if not the, only fights in dbz with anything resembling descent fight choreography
>implying it's not one of the best fights in z

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>>161744520
Your pic related is wrong, let me fix it for you.
Also, Saiyan saga isn't overrated.

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>>161763072
Sorry, Yamcha and Vegeta, Goku hit it first.

>>161762336
I love the namek saga. What don't you like about it?

>>161763072
>>161763108
I wonder if Vegeta knows that half of the cast have seen his wife naked before.

>>161763287
You can like something and think it's overrated at the same time. Crazy, right?

>>161760767
is there a single anime character who can defeat the master of the wolf fang fist when he's not [holding back]

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>>161763072
Cunt destroyer.

>>161740639
Everything from the Tien saga to the Frieza saga is GOAT.

>>161742607
>the rest of cast got to do shit
Yeah like in the King Piccolo arc right? All of them got to do awesome shit like standing on their ass or dying.

Or maybe the Red Ribbon arc? Where they all got to do awesome shit like standing on their ass while Goku handled everything on his own.

Get fucking real. Dragon Ball has always been about Goku and the rest of the cast never did shit. Your only under the impression that they did because half of the arcs in DB part 1 were fucking tournament arcs where OF COURSE everyone has to fight.

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>>161763072
meme face.

>>161765134
This.

>>161760767
Filler

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>>161760256
>one good piece of animation and choreography in the entire fight
>manga fight was 9 pages long

Stop spamming this.

>>161765134
I miss actual tournaments

>>161765050
Even before Tien is some great shit bro

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>>161740639
Can't decide between 23rd tournament, saiyans and Cell.

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>>161768031
>worst tournament of the three that happened (buu doesn't count)
>nostalgia boner
>worst Z arc
Red Ribbon, 22nd, Frieza

>>161768160
>Red Ribbon
Pretty boring for the most part.
>22nd
Noice, but not as hype as the one that followed
>Frieza
Noice, but Cell was still superior.

>>161768336
No, Cell was Perfect, but Frieza was Superior

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>>161768927
You can't be superior to perfection.

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>>161769004
Watch me

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>>161769037
That's cute.

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>>161769061
That's the problem with you, Cell, you claim to be perfect but that's all you've got. Ohohohoh, there's nothing else there, you're flat. One dimensional.

>>161769295
>roleplaying

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>>161769354
I've got more Frieza images if you want them. But I meant what I said, Cell is kind of flat. There are many aspects to Frieza's character.

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>>161769470
Cell ain't as flat as people say he is. It's just that he had less screentime than Frisbee and wasn't given as much detail. But he's fun as hell nevertheless, especially the 1st form.

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>>161769686
Yes, his buildup from the egg is great, but in the end that's all he is, just an extremely smug horror movie creature with the fight autism.
he's not as beautiful as Lord Frieza, no matter what he says.

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>>161769843
>extremely smug horror movie creature with the fight autism
Which is awesome and better than a moustache-twirling ebil overlord. Not that I have anything against ebil overlords.
Kinda agree here, Freeza is best DBZ waifu.

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>>161740639
Red Ribbon Army is definitely my favorite. It's where the series struck a perfect balance between comedy, adventure, martial arts and drama. The ending with Grandpa Gohan returning is a really heartwarming scene to end the saga on, the entire Fortune Teller Baba section is criminally underrated. Its also got a lot of variety in characters and locales, kind of like the Pilaf arc but more fleshed out.

After that it's a split between the 23rd World Tournament and Namek. Those two arcs have the best climaxes and fights in the series, and either could have been a damn good finale to Dragon Ball if Toriyama chose to end it there. The tournaments a bit short outside of the Piccolo Jr. fight though, I wish it spent more time with Tenshinhan, Chi-Chi, Yamcha and Krillin since they got kinda phased out of the series during the Saiyan saga afterwards. Namek has the opposite problem of dragging on a bit too long, you could very easily cut out Freeza's second form and some of the shitters Vegeta killed before the Ginyu Force arrived to condense the arc.

My least favorites are probably Demon King Piccolo and Android. The priors got a jarring tonal shift and the stakes don't feel as personal to me as they should given how much damage King Piccolo does. I'm sure it's because its the last arc I was exposed to since its the only one I didn't see as a kid, but it's always come across to me as a prototype for the kind of stories we'd see executed better in Z. Android's just such a mess of editorial mandates that I can barely follow the plot half the time, Cell especially comes out of fucking nowhere and he's very one-note until he becomes Perfect.

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>>161770041
He's not JUST an evil overlord, he's a shrewd real estate mogul, a cold and unfeeling landlord, and a prideful Emperor with a vindictive streak and a passion for theatrics and style. His appearance, regal and alien, his androgynous features emoting beautifully, demonstrating both elegance and savagery. Also I love his tail.

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>>161753819
>fanart trace instead of the actual artwork

'mon now

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buu saga rules, only plebs dislike it

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>>161745414
I don't know but I've been fucking waiting so it better be sometime this decade.

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Who is the best movie villain?

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>>161770573
Still not as awesome as smug horror monster with fighting autism.

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>>161770767
The only one that is canon, obviously
>>161770781
That's just, like, your opinion, man

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>>161771171
It is, obviously. So is your preference of Freeza.

>>161770573
Freezer's aight. But he's the kind of villain you've seen a hundred times before, although there's an argument to be made he's one of the big ones who started that trend. Cell's got 3 distinct personalities, each one unique enough from the others to be interesting. And Buu? Buu's just fucking crazy.

>>161770767
If you're including Battle of the Gods, it's Beerus.

If you're talking about the Pre-Super era films it's a fuzzier. Janemba's got the best design and most interesting fight but he's less of a character than Kid Buu. Cooler's really memorable and I like his actual character but both of the films he's in are so garbage that it drags him down. Broly is a meme.

I'd probably give it to Dr. Wheelo for not feeling like a retread of another villain and his movie not being half-bad.

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>>161771420
>Freezer
>>161771718
>Beerus
>Villain

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>>161771767